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* As I told subscribers a couple weeks ago, George Ryan will be released from prison by January 30th. Phil Rogers takes a look at the former governor’s new reality…
For the last six years, the former governor has been a federal prisoner. When he leaves the federal penitentiary in Terre Haute next week, he will be travelling not to Kankakee but to a halfway house in Chicago.
And he has nothing to pack. Someone will have to bring him the clothes he wears out of the prison gate.
“It will be the first time he’s worn his own clothes in six years,” Ryan’s former chief of staff, Scott Fawell, said Monday.
Fawell provides a unique perspective. Not only was he Ryan’s closest advisor, but he also did more than four years himself for Ryan-related crimes. And he occupied that same Salvation Army halfway house on Chicago’s west side.
“It’s dingy. It’s dark. It’s dirty,” Fawell said. “It’s an old facility.”
And ironically, said Fawell, it will be the place where Ryan will most likely mingle with the hardest criminals he will see during his entire stay with the Bureau of Prisons.
“You can be in the same room with guys who have done 20 or 30 years in prison, where he’s used to a little different clientele,” Fawell explained.
Ryan will be required to take mandatory classes on such mundane skills as opening a bank account, writing a check, and making out a resume. It sounds ridiculous for a former governor but is par for the course in the Bureau of Prisons’, one-size-fits-all approach to corrections.
* Related…
* George Ryan set to move to halfway house
* George Ryan will finish term in halfway home
*** UPDATE 1 *** Bill Cellini reports to prison today…
A judge earlier this month set Tuesday as the reporting date for Cellini, 78. Once known as the “King of Clout,” Cellini was initially supposed to report on Jan. 4 but was granted an extension.
Bureau of Prisons spokesman Chris Burke says Cellini hasn’t yet reported. He’s required to report by 2 p.m.
Burke says he can’t identify Cellini’s prison until he arrives. Cellini had requested a Montgomery, Ala., prison.
*** UPDATE 2 *** He went to Terre Haute…
Springfield businessman Bill Cellini reported this afternoon to the same prison where former Illinois Gov. George Ryan is completing his corruption sentence.
Chris Burke, spokesman for the Federal Bureau of Prisons, said that it is likely that Ryan and Cellini would see each other at the institution.
“It’s a more open facility,” he said.Burke said Cellini is at the minimum security portion of the Terre Haute Federal Correctional Complex.
posted by Rich Miller
Tuesday, Jan 22, 13 @ 3:23 am
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Poor Scott. He could have asked to go back to the pen and finish his sentence. I worked with the Salvation Army more than 30 years ago when they established the facility. It has served it’s purpose much better than the old IDOC facility it replaced.
Comment by Anon. Tuesday, Jan 22, 13 @ 6:37 am
George is lucky and got off relatively easy. Now he’s done his time, its over. Hopefully, he’s a warning to others.
Comment by Newsclown Tuesday, Jan 22, 13 @ 8:17 am
Ryan should be sent home, period, end of story.
Justice is not served by squeezing the last day of time out of a non-violent offender who poses no threat to the community and who will turn 79 next month.
What’s the point of the halfway house? I imagine he can handle his re-entry into society. Enough already. Slap an ankle bracelet on him and let him go home.
Comment by wordslinger Tuesday, Jan 22, 13 @ 8:17 am
I agreed with the sentence but do feel a certain amount of empathy for him. His wife has passed and the world has changed since he left. While I think he needs to continue with the regular procedure, I am looking forward to hearing his first interview. He didn’t do himself any favors with the lack of contrition during his trial and sentencing.
Comment by Stones Tuesday, Jan 22, 13 @ 8:27 am
Good luck Governor Ryan.
Comment by 47th Ward Tuesday, Jan 22, 13 @ 8:28 am
=Slap an ankle bracelet on him and let him go home.=
My guess is that is what will happen in short order. Will just be done quietly with no announcement.
Comment by Leave a Light on George Tuesday, Jan 22, 13 @ 8:34 am
I want to read that resume. He can keep the checks.
Comment by Enemy of the State Tuesday, Jan 22, 13 @ 8:41 am
Isn’t it time to really review this whole thing. We continue to throw people in jail costing us several Hundred $K not because they are a danger to us but because we don’t like them. Where does this make any sense? Explain the deterrence part of this. I hated Blago too, but do we really need to spend another million bucks on him too?
This man should go home. What more can we take from him besides his life? Which as a remember, is not the sentence for taking a couple of free vacations.
Comment by frustrated GOP Tuesday, Jan 22, 13 @ 8:52 am
History has clearly shown that Illinois governors must include within their years in office, the years they will spend in prison when their terms expire, and plan accordingly. Ryan erred by becoming a governor late in life. Consequentially, he is now 79 and finishing up his time served.
Being an Illinois public official requires careful planning to include prison time. A handy rule of thumb would be one year in jail for each criminal act in office. So, say you get elected and decide to immediately begin squeezing campaign contributions from reluctant donors in exchange for preferred state contracts, a popular approach to Illinois-style governing. Remember to add prison time to your elected years, so that you will be young enough to handle future prisoner relationships, marriages, or a gang related activity upon release.
Once time has been served, political recidivism may return you to a new campaign. We’ve witnessed former congressmen running after their prison time, and even future felons reelected. Illinois politics offers a bright future for even the lowliest political scum!
Remember, get elected while youthful enough for completely servicing office AND jail time!
Comment by VanillaMan Tuesday, Jan 22, 13 @ 8:57 am
I’m glad he’s getting out. I felt it was time some time ago.
I guess the Bureau of Prisons feels they have to treat everyone the same, but the part about having to get a job at age 77 seems a little ridiculous.
Hopefully, he will he be able to get his Social Security pension restored, so he won’t have to work when he gets back to Kankakee. Although, I’m sure his kids will see that he’s taken care of, no matter what.
Comment by Cheswick Tuesday, Jan 22, 13 @ 8:57 am
At this time I can’t help but wonder about the victims of his crimes.
Comment by Crime Fighter Tuesday, Jan 22, 13 @ 9:16 am
Let the revisionist history begin. GR was convicted of real crimes committed during his terms of office. More could have been found, but the sentence he received was not too log. Appeals from his powerhouse defense firm were rebuffed time after time. That said, he did his time, time to focus on those who are currently committing crimes.
I hate to agree with WS, but a work release for a person of 79 years is silly. Give him an ankle bracelet and some reasonable restrictions and get him off the public dime. No public interest will be served by keeping him in Chicago.
Comment by Plutocrat03 Tuesday, Jan 22, 13 @ 9:28 am
Plutocrat03 - Tuesday, Jan 22, 13 @ 9:28 am: That said, he did his time, time to focus on those who are currently committing crimes.
I never thought I would sincerely send this to Plutocrat but - THANK YOU!
* And the focus should not consist of lauding them for their outward “nice guy/ nice person” qualities while they commit crimes -
The focus should be bringing them to justice, or at the very least -reigning them in.
Comment by Crime Fighter Tuesday, Jan 22, 13 @ 9:36 am
He did his time. But I agree that the Federal rules on this sort of thing seem a bit out of touch with reality. Probably our state DOC rules, and the whole concept of “corrections” are out of step too. Maybe a forward thinking candidate for governor will propose major changes to our justice and corrections systems.
Comment by siriusly Tuesday, Jan 22, 13 @ 9:38 am
This is the only media market I have ever seen which has its own political pundit that focuses exclusively on politicians corrections system lifestyles. Fawell has made quite an industry of himself.
Comment by shore Tuesday, Jan 22, 13 @ 10:01 am
I’m sure Jim Thompson will ride to Ryan’s rescue as he has repeatedly done in the past, to my utter dismay and disgust…
Comment by Loop Lady Tuesday, Jan 22, 13 @ 10:04 am
Forget the state work release program. Let WLS-TV or any of the other local Chi or downstate stations hire him to say he wants a few evenings a week for a while
Comment by Hans Sanity Tuesday, Jan 22, 13 @ 10:05 am
TYPING SKILLS DETERIORATE
Forget the state work release program.
Let WLS-TV or any of the other local Chi or downstate stations hire him to say WHATEVER he wants a few evenings a week for a while
Comment by Hans Sanity Tuesday, Jan 22, 13 @ 10:06 am
I wonder if now would be the appropriate time for Durbin to ask the president for a pardon or commute his sentence to time served.
Comment by Wensicia Tuesday, Jan 22, 13 @ 10:16 am
There is blood on his hands, and he has yet to take responsibility or show regret for what he did. He can continue to rot for all I car.
Comment by NIref Tuesday, Jan 22, 13 @ 10:26 am
George Ryan served his time and his sentence was appropriate for the crimes he committed. The whole half way house thing just shows yet another way that our criminal justice system is broken.
Comment by RMW Stanford Tuesday, Jan 22, 13 @ 10:38 am
Does he have the ability to get social security? Did he pay into social security while he was in office?
Comment by Huh? Tuesday, Jan 22, 13 @ 10:41 am
Common sense needs to prevail here. Send George home. Nothing is being gained by the Feds, or by George, by going through this process.
Concur, electronic monitor, a Parole Officer and be done with this.
Please.
Comment by Oswego Willy Tuesday, Jan 22, 13 @ 10:44 am
Wonder if he should have spent closer to 17 yrs in the klink since Why should he ever appologize for his crimes? He’s no better than anyone else that spent time in jail and yet he is treated differently.
Comment by Belle Tuesday, Jan 22, 13 @ 10:49 am
Shore, you make a good point. But didn’t Rosty do some of this before he died? Fawell has sort of assumed his position.
Comment by Jake From Elwood Tuesday, Jan 22, 13 @ 10:57 am
–He’s no better than anyone else that spent time in jail and yet he is treated differently.–
How has he been treated differently?
Comment by wordslinger Tuesday, Jan 22, 13 @ 10:59 am
send him to the halfway house for a couple weeks, then send him home. nothing more to be gained by incarceration. lessons on how to write a check? how about lessons on how to do online banking? and email and text w the grandkids. resume? JRT will prob make some calls to find someone to hire him, to give him some kind of income.
Comment by langhorne Tuesday, Jan 22, 13 @ 11:05 am
Jake, Shore, I’ve heard the Great Goo-Goo, Larry Bloom, hold court on his Oxford education, too.
Despite the perverse pride some take in believing Illinois is uniquely corrupt, the idea doesn’t really hold up under scrutiny.
Kerner is old news and got caught doing business as usual by a rather ambitious U.S. Attorney (what was his name? Big fella). Walker was long gone as governor when he got in trouble. I didn’t think Ryan committed crimes of the century.
Blago, on the other hand, was a walking, talking (and talking and talking) corruption machine. He really is responsible more than anyone for whatever poor reputation Illinois has on that front.
Here’s a couple links on how the states measure up.
http://www.governing.com/blogs/by-the-numbers/state-public-corruption-convictions-data.html
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/14/weekinreview/14marsh.html?_r=0
Comment by wordslinger Tuesday, Jan 22, 13 @ 11:13 am
frustrated GOP’s post is intriguing, and Plutocrat03’s “Let the revisionist history begin” is highly insightful and prophetic. I wonder how many who originally vehemently opposed Ryan’s earlier release and applauded what others identified as “too stiff” of a sentence might flip flop in future (given the “right” circumstances) by trying to change their tune.
Having said that (and staying consistent with my original views), the “halfway house” policy seems to be missing an “if, then, else” statement. What are the chances that a 77(?) year old is going to find a job? And if he does, chances are it’s not going to be because of a well-written resume.
Give him an option that will psychologically help him “adjust” better than any other: Halfway house or hand him a bracelet and let him go home to his family and friends where they can help him with his resume if he needs one.
Comment by Anonymous Tuesday, Jan 22, 13 @ 11:26 am
As much as I dislkike the former governor, I think the whole halfway house thing is a waste of time unless you consider the fact that he didn’t cash a check during his tenure as governor what with all the cash he was getting, at least that is what I remember from the criminal trial.
Anyway, a refresher course might be in order. He could take the course at home online. Let him go.
Comment by dupage dan Tuesday, Jan 22, 13 @ 11:32 am
To Bill,
“Good trip, good life, get out soon.”, “Good trip, sweetheart”
Comment by Oswego Willy Tuesday, Jan 22, 13 @ 11:34 am
Good luck, Governor Ryan.
– MrJM
Comment by MrJM Tuesday, Jan 22, 13 @ 11:40 am
This is the same half-way house Betty Loren Maltese was in when she got out. If my memory serves me correctly, she was in there for about a week and then got to go home. I bet the same thing happens here.
Comment by Red Ranger Tuesday, Jan 22, 13 @ 11:46 am
“Now take me to jail”
Comment by 13thOne Tuesday, Jan 22, 13 @ 11:54 am
“Tomorrow we eat sangwhiches”
Comment by 13thOne Tuesday, Jan 22, 13 @ 11:55 am
NIref up above correctly cites “blood on his hands,” but otherwise there are 32 comments here without one single mention of the Willis children. Six, remember? Was 1994 *that* long ago???
Comment by The Historian Tuesday, Jan 22, 13 @ 11:58 am
–NIref up above correctly cites “blood on his hands,”–
Which count of his conviction does that refer to?
Believe me, I know what you’re referring to. But we’re a nation of laws, right?
Comment by wordslinger Tuesday, Jan 22, 13 @ 12:03 pm
Can anyone ricite the oath of office for the governor?
Comment by foster brooks Tuesday, Jan 22, 13 @ 12:08 pm
Meanwhile:
–Europe’s largest bank will avoid a potentially crippling criminal prosecution for its role in moving cash for known terror groups, Mexican drug cartels, and rogue governments such as Iran, instead agreeing to pay a record $2 billion settlement, U.S. Justice Department officials announced at a press conference today.
No one indicted.
–Washington, D.C., July 15, 2010 — The Securities and Exchange Commission today announced that Goldman, Sachs & Co. will pay $550 million and reform its business practices to settle SEC charges that Goldman misled investors in a subprime mortgage product just as the U.S. housing market was starting to collapse.–
No one indicted.
–In one of the largest settlements of suits tied to the financial crisis, Citigroup Inc. C -0.08% agreed to pay $590 million over claims that it deceived investors by hiding the extent of its dealings in toxic subprime debt.–
No one indicted.
And on, and on and on.
The lesson: Steal big.
Comment by wordslinger Tuesday, Jan 22, 13 @ 12:16 pm
Which count of his conviction does that refer to?
Believe me, I know what you’re referring to. But we’re a nation of laws, right?
Was Al Capone a gangster? Seems he was only convicted of tax evasion.
Comment by Lobo Y Olla Tuesday, Jan 22, 13 @ 12:17 pm
===The lesson: Steal big. ===
I would add: And make sure everyone knows you have the ability to crash the world economy so you can’t be touched without fear of triggering yet another crash.
Comment by Rich Miller Tuesday, Jan 22, 13 @ 12:21 pm
He should do the transitional time: it was part of a trade-off on his sentence, so he could spend less “hard time”. The sentence was important as an object lesson to future pols, and it was appropriate to the offense. We have a new day and a new way today.
Comment by Newsclown Tuesday, Jan 22, 13 @ 12:47 pm
===NIref up above correctly cites “blood on his hands,”===
The man is 79, he did hid time, as described by a Federal Judge, who presided of the case that found the man Guilty.
What more than what the Federal Judge gave him, do you expect? “Nah, 6 years, what we really need is 600 years!”
The Rule of Law doesn’t work that way. And in this case, as in so many, sometimes, for everyone involved in a case, it might not work for ANYONE involved.
It’s time. Let the man go home to what is left in his life.
Comment by Oswego Willy Tuesday, Jan 22, 13 @ 12:52 pm
=We have a new day and a new way today.=
Newsclown, are you saying that the crimes stay the same, but the methodologies for committing those crimes vary today? (Just trying to understand the statement. Thanks.)
Comment by Anonymous Tuesday, Jan 22, 13 @ 1:06 pm
–Was Al Capone a gangster? Seems he was only convicted of tax evasion.–
Yes, he was a gangster and he was only convicted of tax evasion. He did his time for that and was released.
Al Capone certainly committed other crimes he was not convicted of. Some of those included premeditated murder.
Is that what you’re accusing George Ryan of regarding the Willis children?
There was a chain of events that led to an accident horrible beyond belief. Any slight alteration in those events, by even a few seconds, by any number of players, would have resulted in a different conclusion.
If you’re advancing some Kass-logic proposal that George Ryan is guilty of murdering those children because some flunky in the SOS office, participating in a long-standing practice of meeting his fundraising quota, issued a license he should not have, I reject that.
I’m sure Mr. and Mrs. Willis disagree. As would I, if I were them. But the rest of us don’t have the right to appropriate their unimaginable sorrow for our own purposes and call it justice.
Comment by wordslinger Tuesday, Jan 22, 13 @ 2:02 pm
The bigger the governments, the bigger the cash flow. The bigger the cash flows, the bigger the crimes. When the money spent is someone else’s, and the money wasted is mind-bogglingly huge, the amount of corruption escalates.
The more we’re taxed, the more we’re burglarized. Its where the money is today.
Big government proponents too often ignore the crimes and immoral waste of tax money their faith generates. Legislators and politicians always deliver less than expected, so no hurtle is too low for them to slink under.
You want big government? That’s what you are realistically advocating as well. We can’t afford it.
Comment by VanillaMan Tuesday, Jan 22, 13 @ 2:05 pm
Illinois must be vigilent in prosecuting political corruption and make those convicted do their time. Otherwise there is no deterent.
To those who are sympathetic, did you ever figure out how much those crimes cost Illinois? Of course not, you couldn’t begin to enumerate all the costs.
My heart goes out to the Willis family. For George and Bill, Too bad so sad.
Comment by BMAN Tuesday, Jan 22, 13 @ 2:08 pm
- BMAN -,
So, what is the total cost? What is the total cost? Did you figure it out? Do you know what it is?
A federal prosecutor won a case against Geo. H. Ryan. Ryan lost his appeals, did his time, as prescribed by the federal judge that heard the case against Ryan.
How anyone can claim, very specifically to the Willis family, what is appropriate still boggles my mind. Mr. Ryan has done his time, time actually being “in” a prison, and still, there is a question of “enough” justice served.
I don’t have the first clue if that is enough time for you, or what enough time would be enough. What I do know, for me, at 79, losing everything, including his wife while in prison, and those 6 years, I do have sympathy that GHR has now … done enough.
===Illinois must be vigilent in prosecuting political corruption and make those convicted do their time. Otherwise there is no deterent.===
There are 3 pending right now, (Beavers, Smith, Jackson) and Rep. Ford indicted as well.
How is that rightous “deterent” working out for you, - BMAN -?
Comment by Oswego Willy Tuesday, Jan 22, 13 @ 2:19 pm
Word & Rich,
Be sure to record this week’s episode of Frontline: http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/untouchables/
– MrJM
Comment by MrJM Tuesday, Jan 22, 13 @ 2:51 pm
=Chris Burke, spokesman for the Federal Bureau of Prisons, said that it is likely that Ryan and Cellini would see each other at the institution.=
Pot meet kettle.
Comment by Leave a Light on George Tuesday, Jan 22, 13 @ 3:14 pm
“George”
“Bill”
“See you in 9 months”
“Yeah, take care …”
Comment by Oswego Willy Tuesday, Jan 22, 13 @ 3:19 pm
oswego willy,
I respect the compassion of your response and maybe when I am 79, I too will feel the way you do.
Right now, that rightous “deterent” is working out just fine. I choose to be neither a politician or a criminal!
Comment by BMAN Tuesday, Jan 22, 13 @ 3:39 pm
–I would add: And make sure everyone knows you have the ability to crash the world economy so you can’t be touched without fear of triggering yet another crash. –
It’s the duty of this generations of grownups, of capitalists, to get a handle on this.
Let’s get real: anything that has to do with money, pay attention to the zeroes on the right until you get to the decimal point. That’s where the business is.
These guys are robbing us blind. They wiped out your home equity (the gut punch to the economy; we’re still sucking air), your 401K and your public pension funds (climbing back now, but what a hit).
They’re not your local community bankers from when you were a kid, in for the long run, soberly weighing risk.
They’re punks, looking for quick scores, cashing out and moving on in a hurry.
You can make tens of millions hitting your number for two quarters. If it all falls apart after that, you’ve already taken your cash off the table.
Finance was never supposed to be the big deal in capitalism. It was the grease on the joints, not the steel or the idea. Finance was bringing borrowers and investors together to produce something.
Now, it’s all finance — derivatives, trading, like bookies, just working it for the juice.
The Big Banks have not always been that big. They have not always been too big to fail.
Today, six banks control 60% of the Western World’s asset — and they’re FDIC insured. Not only are they too big to fail, they’re too big to reasonably assess their own risks.
Jamie Dimon went in front of the Senate and told them he had no idea how JPMorgan lost $6 billion gambling in a New York minute, because the joint was too big.
But if they go down, we’re all on the hook.
You can scream all you want about taxes, trade, regulation, blah, blah, blah, but if we don’t get a handle on the outlaw bankers, all your labor, all your savings, all your dreams, are at risk.
Comment by wordslinger Tuesday, Jan 22, 13 @ 3:42 pm
Word and Willy, I totally agree with you. As usual, you eloquently stated these views better than I.
Comment by Norseman Tuesday, Jan 22, 13 @ 3:42 pm
Willy, I agree with your thoughts 100%.
OTOH, Beavers and Smith may be a little more “pending” on the Federal docket than Trips unless AA missed something while going 24-7 on the First Lady’s frocks and Beyonce’s lips.
Comment by Arthur Andersen Tuesday, Jan 22, 13 @ 3:57 pm
First …
- AA -
Apoligies, thanks for the “clean-up” and for putting me in my place so comically.
- BMAN -
===Right now, that rightous “deterent” is working out just fine. I choose to be neither a politician or a criminal!===
I am unaware that the federal prosecuters needed the “deterent factor” in regards to you … personally.
If that is, indeed, what you mean, congrats to you both.
Wow.
Comment by Oswego Willy Tuesday, Jan 22, 13 @ 4:03 pm
Argh, agreeing with WS twice in one day maybe more than I can stand….
The Willis tragedy is not something you can honestly tie around GR neck. The details are far beyond the scope of a blog like this, but Secretary of States portion of the blame is not as large as some on the media have tried to make us believe.
As far as the criminal behavior of those in the banking industry, the behavior will continue until the incarceration a begin. Too much reward to balance not enough personal pain.
When the Treasury Department is a revolving door for these folks, there is little hope for justice to prevail.
Comment by Plutocrat03 Tuesday, Jan 22, 13 @ 4:16 pm
I am sure putting Bill Cellini in the clink for 9 months is a huge deterent. Assuming the ticker holds up, he will be home for Christmas.
As far as GHR goes, it is hard to improve upon what Word and OW have written, except to add that he was the last competent Governor of Illinois, and that was 10 years and 3 elections ago. Pretty sad.
Comment by Jaded Tuesday, Jan 22, 13 @ 4:24 pm
–Argh, agreeing with WS twice in one day maybe more than I can stand….–
LOL, Pluto, reject the Dark Side…
Comment by wordslinger Tuesday, Jan 22, 13 @ 4:28 pm
===and maybe when I am 79,===
I am not 79, was referrring to GHR.
At the age that I am, I still feel that compassion, and believe in the rule of law and justice and the imperfection. I hope I still believe in it when I turn 79 (Good Lord Willing…)as well.
Comment by Oswego Willy Tuesday, Jan 22, 13 @ 4:28 pm
–As far as the criminal behavior of those in the banking industry, the behavior will continue until the incarceration a begin. Too much reward to balance not enough personal pain.
When the Treasury Department is a revolving door for these folks, there is little hope for justice to prevail.–
Pluto, I agree 100%.
How in the world we went through a presidential election with Know-Ba-Dee even mentioning this historic robbery is a grave testament of how hosed we are on this front and the work we have to do get out from under.
Pluto, dude — we think alike
Comment by wordslinger Tuesday, Jan 22, 13 @ 4:35 pm
- Norseman -,
Thanks. Kind words, but I defer to - wordslinger - on eloquence.
Comment by Oswego Willy Tuesday, Jan 22, 13 @ 5:11 pm
“Let the revisionist history begin. GR was convicted of real crimes committed during his terms of office.”
Amen. His (and unfortunately his family’s) arrogance and sense of entitlement is palpable. Never an acknowledgement of his crimes or an apology from him.
Comment by wishbonelpable Tuesday, Jan 22, 13 @ 6:01 pm
It’s times like this where I would love to know what sentence you were advocating before his conviction and what you wrote after the judge sentenced him. If he was serving his last 6 months in the clink, none of you would be complaining or even commenting. The fed lets him out and now the apologists come out. It is thought that no longer being behind bars and in a halfway house is better than being in jail. As said previously, if he doesn’t want to be with his fellow criminals at the halfway house I’m sure he can ask to go back to the prison.
Comment by robert lincoln Tuesday, Jan 22, 13 @ 7:04 pm
BTW, I have now looked back and the only person who commented under their current name is Vanilla Man who stated “Rest of his life in jail”. Way to remain consistent VM.
Comment by robert lincoln Tuesday, Jan 22, 13 @ 7:27 pm
–Author: robert lincoln
Comment:
BTW, I have now looked back and the only person who commented under their current name is Vanilla Man who stated “Rest of his life in jail”. Way to remain consistent VM.–
That sounds abought right.
See you in church.
Comment by wordslinger Tuesday, Jan 22, 13 @ 8:02 pm