SUBSCRIBE to Capitol Fax      Advertise Here      Mobile Version     Exclusive Subscriber Content     Updated Posts    Contact
CapitolFax.com
To subscribe to Capitol Fax, click here.
Our forefathers

Tuesday, Apr 23, 2013

* Damien Ober writes about a new book on Abe Lincoln’s congressional term

When Lincoln presents a bill which would have ended slavery in the District of Columbia, the inclusion of a fugitive slave clause makes the bill the “kind of balanced legislation needed to pass a badly divided house.”… His support for presidential candidate Zachary Taylor—a slave-owner and hero of the war he had fought so hard to stop—“was simple for Lincoln;” Taylor was the only Whig who could win and any Whig was better than any Democrat—on slavery and the other issues important to Lincoln.

* Jared Hitchings writes about Stephen Douglas, whose 200th birthday is today

Not only was Douglas not bitter about losing the presidency to Lincoln, he in fact toured the country stumping for the Union cause at the outbreak of the Civil War. It was during this tour that he contracted Typhoid fever and died on June 3, 1861.

Discuss.

- Posted by Rich Miller        


20 Comments
  1. - Excessively Rabid - Tuesday, Apr 23, 13 @ 11:47 am:

    Bring back the Whigs.


  2. - Cincinnatus - Tuesday, Apr 23, 13 @ 11:48 am:

    I am always amazed how these great leaders, like Lincoln, the Founders and the Framers meet the particular needs of the Country at times of most need. Roosevelt, Churchill during WW2, etc. I just watched the History Channel’s tribute to the ’80’s and would argue that Reagan, Thatcher, Walesa, John-Paul were that decade’s great leaders. Lately, not so much…


  3. - in the know - Tuesday, Apr 23, 13 @ 11:50 am:

    I’ve heard this bit about Douglas before, and been unable to find the reference subsequently, that part of Douglas’ mission for Lincoln through the border states involved the recruitment of officers, including Grant himself. As I said, I read that account somewhere and never been able to find it subsequently, but if so, It makes for a great example of setting aside partisan rancor for the good of all.


  4. - wordslinger - Tuesday, Apr 23, 13 @ 12:02 pm:

    I ran across some interesting trivia on Lincoln and JQ Adams the other day.

    While in Congress in 1848, Lincoln was on the House floor when Adams, the leading abolitionist of his day, collapsed after casting a minority and loud vote on a resolution congratulating generals in the Mexican War.

    Adams died two days later, and Lincoln was an honorary pallbearer at his funeral.

    That makes JQ Adams, a revolutionary in his own right as his father’s secretary in wartime France, a link between Washington, who he served as an ambassador, and Lincoln, who he served with in Congress.


  5. - Chris DeRose - Tuesday, Apr 23, 13 @ 12:04 pm:

    Rich,

    I’m the author of “Congressman Lincoln: The Making of America’s Greatest President,” the book you reference above.

    I grew up in Illinois and actually got involved in politics early on, volunteering on races from township committeeman to governor and interning for Speaker Hastert.

    I’ve been a reader of Capitol Fax since your first day on the web (I still religiously follow politics back home). As such, it’s a huge honor to get a shout out here.

    Thanks!

    Chris DeRose


  6. - Oswego Willy - Tuesday, Apr 23, 13 @ 12:05 pm:

    ===was the only Whig who could win and any Whig was better than any Democrat===

    That Lincoln, does sound like a “Blood Oath” or “Litmus Test”?

    Golly, Lincoln, was being politcally savy, all the while NOT cutting his nose off to save his face.

    Whoa! Now, I am spitballing here, so bear with me. I think I read somewhere, that the Grand old Party, the GOP, is “Lincoln’s Party”, am I right, or am I “Right”? I don’t know, but aren’t there big fundraisers for Illinois Republicans, be it a Township, County, whatever, and they are called…Lincoln Day Dinners?

    Now, here is where I am spitballing…If Lincoln thought that being inclusive to his Party was the best way for his party to win, over the Democrats he knew would not even entertain Lincoln’s agenda … and then you throw in that Pesky “Reagan Rule” mumbo-jumbo…

    Does that sound like Reagan, and …Lincon … to some in My Party, like …RINOs, or are they “Good Republicans” even thought a “blood oath” is not followed, or a “litmus test” is not passed?

    This is so hard! I am so confused. I thought the more rigid you were, the more pure you were, the more Republican you were, unless you get the approval of being a “Good Republican”…

    Politics is not a religion based on “absolutes” and “purity”, its based on who gets the most votes, and which Party can get the most members to move agendas forward.

    Lincoln knew that, (surprise, surprise), Reagan preached it, and we in “Lincoln’s Illinois”, in the Birhtplace of Ronald Reagan… and we… in the ILGOP….ignore it.

    But what did Lincoln and Reagan know about Purity, …”Right”?


  7. - Rich Miller - Tuesday, Apr 23, 13 @ 12:06 pm:

    You’re welcome, Chris. I hope to read your book this spring.


  8. - train111 - Tuesday, Apr 23, 13 @ 12:11 pm:

    Interesting what Linclon thought of Taylor:
    Zachary Taylor was an interesting character. He was a plantation owner and a slave holder, but was solidly against the compromise of 1850 and the expansion of slavery into the territories. He refused to be bullied by the Southern Congressmen unlike his subsequent 3 sucessors (Fillmore, Pierce, and Buchanan)


  9. - hisgirlfriday - Tuesday, Apr 23, 13 @ 12:16 pm:

    At the risk of adding some cynicism to this Douglas discussion, I think its a bit disingenuous to reduce the man and the shrewd politician to some saint of bipartisanship and place him on a pedestal fowr it. Douglas coming across as bipartisan was not something he did just out of the goodness of his heart. His 1858 reelection came in large part due to his skill at triangulating between the southern democrats/president buchanan and the republicans/lincoln.


  10. - wordslinger - Tuesday, Apr 23, 13 @ 12:17 pm:

    –that part of Douglas’ mission for Lincoln through the border states involved the recruitment of officers, including Grant himself.–

    Grant was already in Galena by that time, working for his father-in-law.


  11. - 32nd Ward Roscoe Village - Tuesday, Apr 23, 13 @ 12:20 pm:

    To follow up on the mention of JQ Adams’ work in the House of Representatives after he was president, I highly recommend William Lee Miller’s book, “Arguing about Slavery: John Quincy Adams and the Great Battle in the United States Congress.” Great retelling of that era that you don’t learn about much in school, post-Ware of 1812, pre-Civil War.


  12. - 32nd Ward Roscoe Village - Tuesday, Apr 23, 13 @ 12:23 pm:

    hisgirlfriday: he is already literally on a pedastal on the south side of Chicago:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_A._Douglas_Tomb . I drove by recently, intrigued by a sign for it when my son was auditioning at the Chicago High School for the Performing Arts right down the block from it.


  13. - Josh - Tuesday, Apr 23, 13 @ 12:28 pm:

    I am proud to call Chris DeRose a friend and an Illinoisan.


  14. - wordslinger - Tuesday, Apr 23, 13 @ 12:35 pm:

    32, I’d add:

    “What Hath God Wrought: The Transformation of America, 1815-1848,” by Daniel Walker Howe, part of the Oxford History of The United States.


  15. - Downstate Illinois - Tuesday, Apr 23, 13 @ 1:57 pm:

    Stephen Douglas was a despicable moderate who history has shown to have been on the wrong side of most major issues leading up to the Civil War.

    As he labored to find solutions to the nation’s great problems, he instead created bigger problems that exacerbated the nation’s divides.

    However he is most forgiven by his same moderate beliefs and actions following the 1860 election. Before he was a moderate, he was an American. His misguided efforts in the decade or so leading up to the war were designed, he thought, to keep the union intact. When those failed, he remained steadfastly loyal to the union.

    His actions in 1861 to support the union and its president showed himself to be a man larger than his political instinct.

    It’s interesting to remember that he not only lost the presidency to Lincoln in 1860, he lost the hand of Mary Todd to the tall gaunt Springfield lawyer 19 years earlier.

    Two of the four presidential candidates in 1860 hailed from Springfield, a big impact for such a small place.


  16. - Norseman - Tuesday, Apr 23, 13 @ 5:40 pm:

    Just downloaded to my tablet. Looks like a good read.


  17. - Just The Way It Is One - Tuesday, Apr 23, 13 @ 7:48 pm:

    In the end, BOTH Lincoln and Douglas proved to be not only wise, but shrewd and PRACTICAL Politicians–kind of sad about Mr. Douglas passing away in 1861–kind of makes you wonder what would’ve happened to the Country if he HAD won…just what would’ve happened then/next??!!


  18. - mokenavince - Tuesday, Apr 23, 13 @ 10:34 pm:

    Our Republican congressman prove every day the Whig’s and Know Nothings are alive and well.


  19. - wordslinger - Wednesday, Apr 24, 13 @ 12:09 am:

    Chris Derose, looking forward to picking up your book.

    Fascinating time. The country was cracking apart and the real American revolution was on the horizon.


  20. - Chris DeRose - Wednesday, Apr 24, 13 @ 2:23 am:

    Thank you, Wordslinger. Please let me know how you like it: chrisderose@gmail.com.


Sorry, comments for this post are now closed.


* React to Rauner vetoes
* Reader comments closed for the weekend
* Rauner vetoes several union-backed bills
* This just in... Illinois Supreme Court accepts direct appeal of remap case
* Social service providers claim administration has "unchecked discretion" over paying off old contracts
* GOP poll: Kirk and Duckworth essentially tied, Clinton leads by 14
* Today's quotable
* The Roger Ailes connection to Illinois
* Even more editorial support for the Independent Map Amendment
* Question of the day
* Today in Illinois history
* *** LIVE COVERAGE *** Rauner education press conference
* Trump's best point of the night
* Mrs. Rauner appears to support Turnaround Agenda strategy
* Caption contest!
* Adding some context to Rauner's e-mail diatribe
* SUBSCRIBERS ONLY - Supplement to today’s edition
* SUBSCRIBERS ONLY - Today's edition of Capitol Fax (use all CAPS in password)
* Oh, this ought to be good
* Rauner apologizes for making "unfair, untrue" comments in old e-mail
* Yesterday's blog posts

Support CapitolFax.com
Visit our advertisers...

...............

...............

...............

...............

...............

...............
<


Search This Blog...

Search the 98th General Assembly By Bill Number
(example: HB0001)

Search the 98th General Assembly By Keyword

  
* Sprint “Unlimited Freedom Plan” tries out two lines for $100
* If we had a personal cloud instead of a phone, would we be better off?
* iPhone 7 Pro specs and features, Galaxy Note 7 battery & more – Pocketnow Daily
* Evan Blass leaks Apple iPhone 7 release date
* SurveyMonkey proclaims peak Pokemon GO in US
* Instant hidden rebate for Moto G4 on Amazon
* Dots & Co. tweaks the Dots games by adding a friendly companion

* Sale scratched after 'clubhouse incident'
* Sale's Sox future may have new wrinkle
* Quintana to start after completion of suspended game
* Is Sale trade more likely after clubhouse incident?
* Sale scratched after 'clubhouse incident'
* White Sox-Tigers suspended after 8 innings
* Rain delaying Tigers-White Sox in Chicago

...............


Main Menu
Home
Illinois
YouTube
Pundit rankings
Obama
Subscriber Content
Durbin
Burris
Blagojevich Trial
Advertising
Updated Posts
Polls

Archives
July 2016
June 2016
May 2016
April 2016
March 2016
February 2016
January 2016
December 2015
November 2015
October 2015
September 2015
August 2015
July 2015
June 2015
May 2015
April 2015
March 2015
February 2015
January 2015
December 2014
November 2014
October 2014
September 2014
August 2014
July 2014
June 2014
May 2014
April 2014
March 2014
February 2014
January 2014
December 2013
November 2013
October 2013
September 2013
August 2013
July 2013
June 2013
May 2013
April 2013
March 2013
February 2013
January 2013
December 2012
November 2012
October 2012
September 2012
August 2012
July 2012
June 2012
May 2012
April 2012
March 2012
February 2012
January 2012
December 2011
November 2011
October 2011
September 2011
August 2011
July 2011
June 2011
May 2011
April 2011
March 2011
February 2011
January 2011
December 2010
November 2010
October 2010
September 2010
August 2010
July 2010
June 2010
May 2010
April 2010
March 2010
February 2010
January 2010
December 2009
November 2009
October 2009
September 2009
August 2009
July 2009
June 2009
May 2009
April 2009
March 2009
February 2009
January 2009
December 2008
November 2008
October 2008
September 2008
August 2008
July 2008
June 2008
May 2008
April 2008
March 2008
February 2008
January 2008
December 2007
November 2007
October 2007
September 2007
August 2007
July 2007
June 2007
May 2007
April 2007
March 2007
February 2007
January 2007
December 2006
November 2006
October 2006
September 2006
August 2006
July 2006
June 2006
May 2006
April 2006
March 2006
February 2006
January 2006
December 2005
April 2005
March 2005
February 2005
January 2005
December 2004
November 2004
October 2004

Blog*Spot Archives
November 2005
October 2005
September 2005
August 2005
July 2005
June 2005
May 2005

Syndication

RSS Feed 2.0
Comments RSS 2.0
WordPress

Loading


* New publication is conservative PAC-sponsored..
* Sex offenders sue, saying registry laws keep th.....
* State costs for amendment notices likely to top.....
* SIU at the crossroads: Leaders weigh future of .....
* State Gets Shut-Off Notice..
* EXCLUSIVE: Aaron Schock Reacts to Grand Jury De.....
* Opinion | Voice of The Southern..
* Rauner, police work on pot bill - Danville Comm.....
* Illinois governor working with police on mariju.....


* Safety regulators get up for higher train speeds in Illinois
* Safety regulators get up for higher train speeds in Illinois
* Southern Illinois lacks hospitals with trauma centers
* Southern Illinois lacks hospitals with trauma centers
* EXCHANGE: Survivors of cancer victims marry, now family of 8
* WNBA withdraws fines for teams that wore black warmup shirts
* WNBA withdraws fines for teams that wore black warmup shirts
* Chicago police say Uber driver a felon with handgun, drugs
* Construction at NIU stalled by state budget ready to resume
* Penguins are returning to Lincoln Park Zoo in new exhibit

* State costs for amendment notices likely to top $2 million
* Rauner OKs regulating police use of cell-site simulators
* Illinois Supreme Court to consider remap ballot measure
* Rauner vetoes construction-wage, homecare-worker pay increases
* Rauner apologizes, Chicago teachers protest over 2011 email questioning their competency
* Providers: Stop gap budget won't have 'meaningful' impact
* Rauner apologizes for calling Chicago teachers illiterate
* Illinois ordered to rethink medical marijuana for migraines
* Rauner once called Chicago teachers 'virtually illiterate'
* Gov. Rauner signs early childhood law

* Lolla at 25: The math on the tickets, the T-shirts, the grass (not that grass)
* How Clinton can out-convention Trump
* Trump's running mate has a business success story of his own to tell
* Duking it out for dominance at O'Hare
* Why we need to reverse Chicago's tree loss, and other letters from readers


* Jesse Jackson to speak at Democratic National Convention
* Democrats changing superdelegate rules; a Sanders win
* Leaked emails mar Democratic convention opening
* Two shot in Humboldt Park
* Suspect wearing wolf mask robs DeKalb bank at gunpoint
* Rambling outside Wooded Isle: Pondering mysteries and plans
* Man shot in South Chicago apartment
* Man charged with growing pot in Andersonville home
* Man critically wounded in West Elsdon shooting
* Lanes closed on I-57 after rollover crash


* Just when you thought the White Sox season couldn’t become a bigger joke
* Several demonstrations planned in Philadelphia today ahead of Democratic convention
* IOC decides against complete ban on Russians from Rio Olympics
* German police say Munich mall gunman planned attack for a year
* Rain can't dampen Coldplay party at Soldier Field
* Sex offenders sue, saying registry laws keep them from church, living with family
* Another Baton Rouge police officer to be laid to rest Monday
* Towing mistake leads to refund dispute; preparing for driverless cars
* President Obama knocks Donald Trump on comments about NATO
* Donald Trump says France, others hit by terror may face 'extreme vetting'


* State costs for amendment notices likely to top $2 million
* Statehouse Insider: Rauner, AFSCME conduct PR war while labor talks at standstill
* Bernard Schoenburg: Buscher moves from independent to GOP, Trump
* Connecting people with volunteer opportunities
* Sommer family gives back together
* Joel Erickson: Sen. Kirk must stand up for veterans' rights
* Charles Krauthammer: Notes from Cleveland: The two-part rebellion
* Rauner OKs regulating police use of cell-site simulators
* Illinois Supreme Court to consider remap ballot measure
* Rauner vetoes construction-wage, homecare-worker pay increases


* Science Center in Carbondale to feature Smithsonian exhibit exploring water
* Carbondale to purchase Bleyer Field
* Carbondale accepts bid to demolish Horizon Inn: Officials hope to have it done by end of 2016.
* PFOP: WWI homefront featured French-Belgian relief
* Community unites at Cultural Fest, embraces differences
* Volunteers rush to safely move pets away from fire
* Getting Personal: Susan Elmore
* Area history, July 24, 2016
* Top 50 College Football Teams of 2016: No. 11, Tennessee
* Area history, July 22, 2016


* Innovation aplenty at Elgin hospital tech fair
* Firefighters extricate man in one-vehicle crash on Route 53
* Sale reportedly cut up throwback uniforms before being sent home
* In Dallas, burgeoning movement overshadowed by shooting
* The Latest: IOC president defends Russia decision

* House lawmakers overcome hurdle on key tra...
* Rodney Davis talks funding with Bloomingto...
* The agency that fought Illiana gets a new ...
* Rep. Dold takes educational cruise down Ch...
* Lawmakers decry high turnover rate of VA h...
* CBD Oil, and politics
* Simon considering state Senate bid
* Killer Congressman Tom MacArthur trying to...
* Shutdown? State may not notice
* Rep. Bob Dold

* Durbin, Senators Send Letter to DEA Callin......
* Durbin Sends Letter to DEA Calling for Str......
* Durbin Announces $2.8 Million in HUD Fundi......

* Letter: Kirk's integrity - Northwest Herald...

* Random thoughts. This is not an election over who is a friend of Wall Street.
* Laundromat Coming To Wilson & Magnolia Strip Mall
* Trumps returns to old ways: denials and finger-pointing about Cruz
* Trump returns to old ways: denials and finger-pointing about Cruz
* Illinois GOP delegates cast 54 votes for Trump, 9 for Cruz, 6 for Kasich
* IR Readers Favorites for Third Week of July 2016
* Plagiarism.
* KKK Wizard David Duke runs on the Trump Party ticket for Louisiana senator.
* Cartoon Of The Day
* Jonathan Halabi at the AFT. Day 2.


* Discount Admission Tickets Available For Purchase At Area Retailers - Fair to extend purchasing hours at Emmerson Building
* Governor Announces Appointments
* New Halsted Street Bridge Finished at Byrne Interchange, Multimodal Travel, Neighborhood Connectivity Enhanced - Last of Eisenhower bridges to be completed, project moves into next phase
* No Pokemon Go access on Veteran Home’s grounds
* Governor Takes Bill Action




Hosted by MCS -- CapitolFax.com Privacy Policy -- SUBSCRIBE to Capitol Fax -- Advertise Here -- Mobile Version -- Contact Rich Miller