SUBSCRIBE to Capitol Fax      Advertise Here      Mobile Version     Exclusive Subscriber Content     Updated Posts    Contact
CapitolFax.com
To subscribe to Capitol Fax, click here.
“Consequences”

Monday, Jul 8, 2013

* I told subscribers almost two weeks ago that Gov. Quinn was considering this veto. From the Tribune editorial board

Illinois legislators’ lackadaisical approach to pension reform stands in sharp contrast to Gov. Pat Quinn’s urgency. The legislators’ latest slow-pokery, a conference committee, has met all of once and then mostly to lower expectations. The governor, having given the General Assembly a July 9 deadline to pass reforms, noted that the committee waited eight days to convene in public when its members should have been working “round the clock” to get a bill on his desk.

With that in mind, a curious turn of events has us … curious: If legislators blow his deadline, which at this writing looks likely, will Quinn hold them to a pay-for-performance standard? That is, will he veto their salaries — and block their pay, effective immediately?

Imagine their outrage if he did. Wouldn’t that be sweet.

Imagine their instinct to override his veto before their next scheduled payday.

When Quinn threatens “consequences” if the General Assembly doesn’t approve a pension reform bill tomorrow, I think that’s what he may mean. It could also be something else. Subscribers know more.

* Meanwhile

Gov. Pat Quinn says he won’t testify before a bipartisan pension panel Monday, but will send aides instead.

The committee tasked with finding a solution to the nearly $100 billion problem invited Quinn to their Springfield meeting. But Quinn said Sunday that lawmakers know where he stands. […]

Chairman state Sen. Kwame Raoul sent Quinn a letter Friday, which was obtained by The Associated Press. Raoul says actuarial analysis on proposals, including ideas submitted by Quinn’s office, will take time. […]

His office hasn’t discussed the submitted proposals, saying they’re not new ideas.

Actually, as subscribers know, some of them are new ideas. Demanding action without knowing how much that action will save the state isn’t exactly responsible. But this is campaign season, so here we go

Brooke Anderson, a spokeswoman for Quinn, dismissed Raoul’s statement as an excuse. She said lawmakers have been working on the issue for years and have all the information they need to present a plan. “We’ve been providing estimates, working with the actuaries and having these discussions for two years now. The people of Illinois are tired of these excuses and the lack of urgency,” she said. “The governor’s deadline stands. This is an emergency.” Anderson declined to provide details about what the governor’s plans to do if the committee fails to meet the deadline.

Is she on the campaign payroll yet? Just sayin…

* This is one of the things the conference committee is looking at

The… measure, supported by university presidents, would require workers to pitch in an additional 2 percent of their paychecks toward their pensions, which would be phased in over four years. It would also tie annual cost-of-living increases to one-half the rate of inflation instead of the current compounded 3 percent yearly increase.

As is, the plan would apply only to university and community college workers, but lawmakers want to see what impact the proposal would have if applied to workers in three other retirement systems that cover teachers, state employees and lawmakers. They agreed to ask state pension finance experts to crunch the numbers on potential cost savings for the plan, a process that could take several weeks.

Sen. Kwame Raoul, the Chicago Democrat who chairs the committee, said the plan could act as a new framework for legislators to build on as they seek a deal that is not only financially sound, but politically viable.

“It’s not as easy as flipping a switch and this thing is over and we have a consensus,” Raoul said. “Having a plan that solves the problem is only half of the charge. We have to come up with a plan that passes the General Assembly.”

The conference committee meets again today at 3. We’ll have a live blog. Watch for fireworks.

* And check out what the governor told reporters yesterday…

Oh, yeah. It’s most definitely on.

* Related…

* Hybrid Pension Plans Attracting More States, Cities

* Illinois revenue up 6.7 pct in fiscal 2013: Sales taxes were up a tepid 1.8 percent, or $129 million, in fiscal 2013, while federal funding, including Medicaid reimbursements, jumped by $472 million, according to the commission.

- Posted by Rich Miller        


22 Comments
  1. - wordslinger - Monday, Jul 8, 13 @ 10:53 am:

    Blocking pay would be a childish stunt and a breach of the concept of separation of powers.

    No wonder the Tribbies think it’s cool.


  2. - Norseman - Monday, Jul 8, 13 @ 10:54 am:

    The hearing room should be packed to the rafters.


  3. - low level - Monday, Jul 8, 13 @ 11:02 am:

    So, Madigan should have dropped everything and gone to the meeting, or gotten a cell phone, or whatever nonsensical dribble it was last month… but now, given over a week’s notice, and having had the time to campaign and make a bad appearance at the Hawks rally, our governor isn’t available to appear at the committee hearing.

    If its going to be a Daley-Quinn race, I might be sick.


  4. - Norseman - Monday, Jul 8, 13 @ 11:16 am:

    “Ian Howe: You know the key to running a convincing bluff? Every once in a while you got to be holding all the cards.”

    Anyone think that Quinn is holding any cards?


  5. - Michelle Flaherty - Monday, Jul 8, 13 @ 11:22 am:

    At least the Tribune is consistent in ignoring the constitution.

    Article IV, “The Legislature”:
    SECTION 11. COMPENSATION AND ALLOWANCES
    A member shall receive a salary and allowances as provided by law, but changes in the salary of a member shall not take effect during the term for which he has been elected.
    (Source: Illinois Constitution.)


  6. - Bill White - Monday, Jul 8, 13 @ 11:22 am:

    From one of the links:

    === Chairman state Sen. Kwame Raoul sent Quinn a letter Friday, which was obtained by The Associated Press. Raoul says actuarial analysis on proposals, including ideas submitted by Quinn’s office, will take time.

    Still, Quinn reiterated his deadline, telling reporters Sunday that there’ll be consequences if it isn’t met. His office says analysis should have been done earlier. ===

    Does this mean Pat Quinn wants the pension issue settled WITHOUT actuarial analysis? Even if the analysis should have been done earlier, that isn’t an excuse to make decisions based on guesswork or astro-turfed hyperbolic hysteria.


  7. - siriusly - Monday, Jul 8, 13 @ 11:27 am:

    The Governor is sometimes politically off, but this anti-NRA stuff is home run juicy red meat for him to use in a primary election. I think this is good for him.


  8. - walkinfool - Monday, Jul 8, 13 @ 11:30 am:

    How accurate does the financial impact estimate have to be, as long as it’s substantially more than SB2404, in order to pass something worthwhile? Cannot we get an estimate to within roughly $10 Billion right now, given what we already know? That’s good enough to commit to implementing a solution.

    To say any proposal must be equal or better than SB1 fiscally, is a position that should be softened in this final stage.


  9. - wordslinger - Monday, Jul 8, 13 @ 11:33 am:

    Michelle, the Tribbies operate in a different world.

    In their world, you can tank your employees ESOP, fire scores of veteran employees, spend four years dodging and shorting your creditors in bankruptcy, award your execs big bonuses, then a few months after coming out of bankruptcy borrow nearly $3 billion to buy TV stations.

    Forgive them if they think you can do whatever you want, whenever you want, without consequences.


  10. - Downstater - Monday, Jul 8, 13 @ 11:34 am:

    Why isn’t more consideration being given to hybrid plans? The leadership seems not to be capable of thinking outside the box. If a test was given concerning basis economics and finance, a vast majority of the legislators would fail miserably.


  11. - DoubleD - Monday, Jul 8, 13 @ 11:49 am:

    Does anyone else find it ludicrous that a 30 to 40 year problem must be solved immediately?…Geez I wonder why government can be so effective given its responsibility to the political over the best course and most logical course of action.


  12. - Secret Square - Monday, Jul 8, 13 @ 12:03 pm:

    “If its going to be a Daley-Quinn race, I might be sick.”

    If it’s going to be a Daley-Quinn race with the winner facing Bruce Rauner, I might pack up and move :-)


  13. - Secret Square - Monday, Jul 8, 13 @ 12:11 pm:

    “will he veto their salaries — and block their pay, effective immediately? Imagine their outrage if he did. Wouldn’t that be sweet.”

    If the veto also includes cutting off the salaries of legislative branch employees, e.g., district and Springfield office staff and employees of various legislative agencies, I don’t think it would be very “sweet” at all (since I’m one of them). Many of these people work long/irregular hours, particularly during session, for considerably less than executive branch employees make; are not unionized; and had no say in the power dispute at hand.


  14. - PublicServant - Monday, Jul 8, 13 @ 12:19 pm:

    It must be “solved” immediately because the emergency looks like less and less of an emergency every day that passes. In the end, raising the revenue to pay your bills, and avoid “borrowing” even more in the future, is what is needed. Soon the courts will confirm that, and it doesn’t take a constitutional scholar to read and understand the plain language of the pension clause of the Illinois Constitution, or the Contracts clause of the US Constitution.


  15. - DoubleD - Monday, Jul 8, 13 @ 12:28 pm:

    Agreed Public…and I certainly hope the Martire plan gets some serious traction. We do not have to be at 100 percent funded to make this work.


  16. - Raymond - Monday, Jul 8, 13 @ 12:35 pm:

    === In their world, you can tank your employees ESOP, fire scores of veteran employees, spend four years dodging and shorting your creditors in bankruptcy, award your execs big bonuses, then a few months after coming out of bankruptcy borrow nearly $3 billion to buy TV stations. ===

    Then there’s the $225 million in back taxes:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/21/business/tribunes-clever-tax-strategy-now-spells-trouble.html?pagewanted=all&_r=1&


  17. - anon - Monday, Jul 8, 13 @ 12:46 pm:

    You don’t have to be a university president to figure out that their plan for employees to pay more and get less won’t pass the constitution regardless of what the actuaries say.


  18. - Anonymous - Monday, Jul 8, 13 @ 12:53 pm:

    It wouldn’t shock me if it ends up being the rank-and-file state employees rather than the GA who will feel the brunt of the Governor’s “consequences” if they don’t send him pension reform by midnight tomorrow (e.g., reduction/item vetoes to state agency budgets,etc.).


  19. - Anon - Monday, Jul 8, 13 @ 1:46 pm:

    I find it interesting that the University Presidents are pushing this plan. Perhaps it is time to look at their retirement plans. Many of them receive yearly retirement annuities. For example Poshard from SIU receives an annual annuity of $55K and Thomas from WIU receives a annual $25k annuity Other Presidenta such as Peters and Maimon receive “retirement enhancements” of 84K and $31K respectively. This data is available thru the IBHE (http://www.ibhe.org/pa96266/search.aspx). FY 13 data is not yet available.

    So, the University Presidents are protected but their employees??????


  20. - DanL60 - Monday, Jul 8, 13 @ 2:29 pm:

    Regardless of what gets passed, isn’t it going to be challenged in the courts?


  21. - RNUG - Monday, Jul 8, 13 @ 2:56 pm:

    DanL60 @ 2:29 pm:

    If it is diminishment to current retirees and employees, yes, it will be challenged.

    If it is raising revenue (taxes) to actually pay what is already owed and can’t legally be avoided, it will only be the taxpayers screaming … and they have no legal status to sue. There only recourse is the ballot box.


  22. - Sir Reel - Monday, Jul 8, 13 @ 3:24 pm:

    When the dust settles and this crew comes up with something, I will have to stop telling people I am retired with a defined benefit pension because at that point “defined” will be meaningless.


Sorry, comments for this post are now closed.


* Reader comments closed for the weekend
* Today's number: 89 percent
* Today's video: Rauner victory lap
* Ask a silly question...
* Blagojevich arrested eight years ago today
* Pritzker, Lisa Madigan added to enemies list
* Rauner loves him some DeVos
* Good news for Mitsubishi plant?
* Cullerton to Rauner: Cut a deal with AFSCME before pension reform
* The finger-pointing continues
* Sneed: Madigan "disappointed" in Kennedy's fundraising this year
* SUBSCRIBERS ONLY - Today's edition of Capitol Fax (use all CAPS in password)
* Yesterday's blog posts

Support CapitolFax.com
Visit our advertisers...

...............

...............

...............

...............

...............
<


Search This Blog...

Search the 98th General Assembly By Bill Number
(example: HB0001)

Search the 98th General Assembly By Keyword

  
* Can this concept HTC 11 make sense as company rebounds?
* Next European Galaxy Note 7 discharge update progresses to 30 percent
* US carriers detail Note 7 discharge update and why Verizon didn’t announce a date
* Should Microsoft still try to make a 3-in-1 device?
* Reports of margin call halt LeEco stock trading, company plans immediate business changes
* Prepare to buy the Huawei Mate 9 on January 6 in the U.S.
* Fitbit CEO drops some details on the Pebble acquisition

* Following up: Mr. Eaton’s drama goes to Washington
* Abreu thrilled for reunion with Moncada
* Giolito excited to join White Sox talent haul
* Winter meetings transformative for White Sox
* White Sox steal show at Winter Meetings
* Adam Eaton delivered despite doubters
* A tale of two Sox at Winter Meetings

...............


Main Menu
Home
Illinois
YouTube
Pundit rankings
Obama
Subscriber Content
Durbin
Burris
Blagojevich Trial
Advertising
Updated Posts
Polls

Archives
December 2016
November 2016
October 2016
September 2016
August 2016
July 2016
June 2016
May 2016
April 2016
March 2016
February 2016
January 2016
December 2015
November 2015
October 2015
September 2015
August 2015
July 2015
June 2015
May 2015
April 2015
March 2015
February 2015
January 2015
December 2014
November 2014
October 2014
September 2014
August 2014
July 2014
June 2014
May 2014
April 2014
March 2014
February 2014
January 2014
December 2013
November 2013
October 2013
September 2013
August 2013
July 2013
June 2013
May 2013
April 2013
March 2013
February 2013
January 2013
December 2012
November 2012
October 2012
September 2012
August 2012
July 2012
June 2012
May 2012
April 2012
March 2012
February 2012
January 2012
December 2011
November 2011
October 2011
September 2011
August 2011
July 2011
June 2011
May 2011
April 2011
March 2011
February 2011
January 2011
December 2010
November 2010
October 2010
September 2010
August 2010
July 2010
June 2010
May 2010
April 2010
March 2010
February 2010
January 2010
December 2009
November 2009
October 2009
September 2009
August 2009
July 2009
June 2009
May 2009
April 2009
March 2009
February 2009
January 2009
December 2008
November 2008
October 2008
September 2008
August 2008
July 2008
June 2008
May 2008
April 2008
March 2008
February 2008
January 2008
December 2007
November 2007
October 2007
September 2007
August 2007
July 2007
June 2007
May 2007
April 2007
March 2007
February 2007
January 2007
December 2006
November 2006
October 2006
September 2006
August 2006
July 2006
June 2006
May 2006
April 2006
March 2006
February 2006
January 2006
December 2005
April 2005
March 2005
February 2005
January 2005
December 2004
November 2004
October 2004

Blog*Spot Archives
November 2005
October 2005
September 2005
August 2005
July 2005
June 2005
May 2005

Syndication

RSS Feed 2.0
Comments RSS 2.0
WordPress

Loading


* Jim Dey: Our leaders are turning bad into worse.....
* Budget uncertainty begins anew for universities.....
* Week in Review: Here are some stories you may h.....
* Our View: Could Madigan bring movement to budge.....


* Iran says it's finalized $16.6B Boeing deal to buy 80 planes
* EXCHANGE: Students use notes to counter racist graffiti
* EXCHANGE: Class credited for no post-election negativity
* Suburban cop put on desk duty after excessive force report
* Quincy University cuts 14 jobs as it faces $5M budget hole
* East St. Louis official resigns after corruption guilty plea
* Report: Illinois Lottery didn't pay major scratch-off wins
* Authorities: 1 dead in small plane crash in Illinois
* Northern Illinois braces for up to 12 inches of snow
* U of Illinois inks 10-year deal to buy energy from wind farm

* State of Illinois' woes loom large for local fundraisers
* Implications of 'lockbox' amendment still being examined
* Day center services' pros, cons debated in Springfield
* Day center services' pros, cons debated
* State's woes loom large for local fundraisers
* Anti-abortion medical providers argue against Illinois law
* $3M in emergency funds headed to Illinois community colleges
* Springfield-area veterans join pipeline protest
* Rauner asks Democrats for budget proposal, cancels meeting
* Comptroller: State employee bonuses on hold during impasse

* Like our roundup? Share it around.
* No warranty on Allstate's billion-dollar acquisition of SquareTrade
* Airbnb is banned from more and more Chicago condo buildings
* Public pensions have a ton of leverage. They should use it.
* How outmoded technology is clipping United's wings


* Editorial: Real fight at CPS is for cleaner government everywhere
* Man shot in West Pullman
* Man shot in Lawndale
* Illinois Tollway mobilizes fleet of snowplows for recent snowfall
* 16-year-old boy killed in NW Indiana crash
* Dear Abby: Ratty clothes on boy may be a ploy
* Georgia Nicols horoscopes for Dec. 11, 2016
* Man wounded in North Austin shooting
* Like Bulls, Erik Spoelsta appreciates Dywane Wade’s leadership
* Lamar Jackson becomes youngest winner in Heisman Trophy history


* City officials hope to avoid snow day on Monday
* Methodist church eases post-election fears for Muslim, minority artists
* Grand Crossing man charged in attack of 94-year-old woman
* 4 wounded in shootings on West, South sides
* Widow of man slain in Aurora one year ago: 'We need to find these killers'
* Bulls survive Heat 105-100 in rivalry that isn't what it used to be
* Republican John Kennedy wins Louisiana Senate runoff, giving GOP 52-48 edge
* Indiana police officer, 2nd man injured in gunfire exchange
* Trump expected to tap Exxon's Tillerson for State, even as Russia ties raise concerns
* Chicago gun violence having impact on local basketball recruits, coaches


The widget AQL4JYGHIY powered by Feed Informer does not exist.


* State of Illinois' woes loom large for local fundraisers
* Implications of 'lockbox' amendment still being examined
* Day center services' pros, cons debated in Springfield
* Bernard Schoenburg: Schobin, Joost among Springfield staff for Mendoza, Duckworth
* Statehouse Insider: The ball's in your court. No, it's in your court.
* Andy Shaw: Radical changes needed for budget negotiations in Illinois
* Our View: Could Madigan bring movement to budget situation?
* Day center services' pros, cons debated
* John Kelker: New website offers tips on money management
* State's woes loom large for local fundraisers


* Volunteers brighten holiday for children of unemployed families
* Boy Scouts continue Eagle project for 25th year
* Don Follis: Universal fears give way to trust at Christmastime
* Goodfellow Fund 12/11/16
* David Bernthal/Off the Bench: Senior judges critical to courts' ecosystem
* Yosemite Don will outduel Nixon?
* Barn Yarns: A mantel of honor
* That's entertainment: Spotlighting events throughout the area
* Consider running for school board
* Letter from Birdland: Signs of winter falling from sky


* The Latest: Syrian activists say IS has seized Palmyra
* Hospital director: 160 dead in collapsed Nigerian church
* Spain plans $528M in environmental taxes to meet EU goals
* Iran says it's finalized $16.6B Boeing deal to buy 80 planes
* Bombing at Egypt's main Coptic Christian cathedral kills 25

* House lawmakers overcome hurdle on key tra...
* Rodney Davis talks funding with Bloomingto...
* The agency that fought Illiana gets a new ...
* Rep. Dold takes educational cruise down Ch...
* Lawmakers decry high turnover rate of VA h...
* CBD Oil, and politics
* Simon considering state Senate bid
* Killer Congressman Tom MacArthur trying to...
* Shutdown? State may not notice
* Rep. Bob Dold

* Greg Hinz on Politics Look who wants to be......

* Sen. Mark Kirk Cheers Illinoisans, Cubs Du......

* Jesus Ortiz, Missing Since September, Found On West Side
* Old School
* No sanctuary for undocumented students at the University of Illinois.
* Holiday Pop-Up Market Saturday, 3pm-9pm
* D.C. map.
* Shedd School as seen in December
* Looking for more ‘REALTORS® Give Back’ stories
* Breaking. Judge orders TRO against Rauner and for state workers.
* Keeping retirement weird. My mother never asked permission to protest.
* Just over 80 days away ‘til Election Day (already?!?), at least for some of us


* Criminal justice, health services stakeholders convene for Data-Driven Health & Justice Conference - Event will emphasize innovative strategies to address “superutilizers” of emergency departments and jails
* Know Before You Go with IDOT'SWinter Road Conditions Map
* Governor’s Export Awards Recipients Announced
* Governor Signs Legislation to Protect Jobs, Ratepayers and Taxpayers
* Give The Gift Of A Lifetime With A College Illinois!® 529 Prepaid Tuition Plan - College Illinois! can help limit or even eliminate future student loan debt




      Hosted by MCS SUBSCRIBE to Capitol Fax Advertise Here Mobile Version Contact Rich Miller