SUBSCRIBE to Capitol Fax      Advertise Here      Mobile Version     Exclusive Subscriber Content     Updated Posts    Contact
CapitolFax.com
To subscribe to Capitol Fax, click here.
*** UPDATED x1 *** All show, no go for new concealed carry, marijuana bills

Thursday, Feb 13, 2014

* There have been a rash of stories lately about various bills introduced to tweak or greatly modify the state’s new concealed carry law, which isn’t even fully operational yet. I’ve mostly been ignoring them.

Rep. Phelps is spot on

State Rep. Brandon Phelps, D-Harrisburg, who was chief sponsor of the legislation that created the new concealed carry rules, said it’s too early for either side to be making changes.

“Everybody needs to take a deep breath,” [Phelps] said. “This is monumental legislation. Let’s let it go into effect and see what it’s like before we try to change it.

“I really believe that neither pro-gun nor anti-gun bills are going to see any movement in the legislature right now.”

Keep that in mind when you read the almost non-stop stories about how one legislator wants to enact more concealed carry restrictions or another legislator wants to loosen some restrictions. It’s all for show. Ain’t none of them moving very far unless they have an agreed bill.

*** UPDATE *** And while it pains me to say it, the same goes for medical marijuana

State Rep. Lou Lang (D-Skokie) said the state has to prove it can handle medical marijuana first after it was enacted last year.

“I would prefer to wait, just to make sure this rolls out correctly,” Lang said, after the huge tax revenues brought in by Colorado with the new year reignited the debate over legalization last week. “If this doesn’t roll out right, there’s no way full legalization is going to roll out.

“There will be some who want to jump the gun and propose it,” Lang added. “And there are some proposing a middle ground, where we don’t legalize it, necessarily, but we decriminalize it and make it a small misdemeanor. So there are a lot of different ideas out there.”

- Posted by Rich Miller        


17 Comments
  1. - RNUG - Thursday, Feb 13, 14 @ 12:39 pm:

    Like you, I’ve been ignoring the stories in the press.


  2. - wordslinger - Thursday, Feb 13, 14 @ 1:05 pm:

    Bound to happen. Play to your peeps.

    I’m sure supporters of the current law are pleased by the miniscule number of objections to permits filed by law enforcement.


  3. - VanillaMan - Thursday, Feb 13, 14 @ 1:12 pm:

    We’ve been told for so long that the world would end if this was enacted, we now have a whole lot of stupid to sweep up without making either side look bad.

    Just do it. Join the rest of the country and stop the nonsense.


  4. - Anonymous - Thursday, Feb 13, 14 @ 1:16 pm:

    Of course it a miniscule number of objections. You have to have a FOID before you can even apply. So in effect the State has already screened people. Many of the people who have been rejected will be reinstated by the review board as well. Reading the forums it is apparent Tom Dart is NOT following the law and objecting to people who meet the statute just to make a political point. Like one would expect from a IL politician.


  5. - John Boch - Thursday, Feb 13, 14 @ 1:19 pm:

    Spot on, Rich.

    That and Mr. Madigan, I’m told, said he wanted to let things settle out for a year or two before tweaking the CCW bill.

    As much as I’d like to make some changes sooner rather than later, I think he’s right on.

    John


  6. - downstate commissioner - Thursday, Feb 13, 14 @ 1:21 pm:

    In this case, the press is the problem-someone says something about some change to the law and it makes a headline. I am sure that most of legislators in office don’t even want to hear about cc changes at this point….


  7. - wordslinger - Thursday, Feb 13, 14 @ 1:24 pm:

    –Reading the forums it is apparent Tom Dart is NOT following the law and objecting to people who meet the statute just to make a political point. Like one would expect from a IL politician.–

    240 objections out of 8,722 applications? Not much of a point.


  8. - Spliff - Thursday, Feb 13, 14 @ 1:42 pm:

    Yet Phelps filed HB 5446.


  9. - Smoggie - Thursday, Feb 13, 14 @ 1:58 pm:

    Vanilla, keep in mind that a lot of that stupidity is coming from the pro-gun side.

    From their comments, you would think that IL banned guns last year, rather than allowed CC.


  10. - VanillaMan - Thursday, Feb 13, 14 @ 2:44 pm:

    Please.
    When a state government goes out of its way to deny its citizens their US Constitutional Rights enjoyed by citizens living in the rest of the United States, those leading the fight to regain their rights shouldn’t be considered stupid.

    Not on this US Constitutional Right, or any other.

    You might not like that Right, but don’t use fantasy arguments proven dead wrong in the other 49 states to kill that Right.

    That would be pretty stupid.


  11. - Demoralized - Thursday, Feb 13, 14 @ 3:09 pm:

    @VM:

    I would probably re-state @Smoggie’s comments to include the loony toon contingents present on both sides of the debate and would probably label a lot of their rhetoric as stupid. Some people go completely off of their rockers when it comes to guns.

    And enough with the “other 49 states” argument. If those other 49 states jumped off of a bridge should we do it too just because they did? The “everybody else is doing it” argument is weak. Stick with the good arguments. There are plenty. Using the “everybody else does it argument” is silly.


  12. - wordslinger - Thursday, Feb 13, 14 @ 3:25 pm:

    –And enough with the “other 49 states” argument.–

    It is, and always has been, meaningless.

    It’s much easier now to get a c-c permit in Illinois now than many of those “other 49 states,”

    Try getting one in New Jersey. Or Maryland. Or NY. Or Cali. Or Massachusetts. Or Hawaii.

    The “other 49 states”: talk remains Fox News willful ignorance. Some people are cool with that.


  13. - Carl Nyberg - Thursday, Feb 13, 14 @ 3:44 pm:

    Medical marijuana is complicated and can be screwed-up.

    Full legalization is comparatively simple.

    You notice how legislators are a bottomless pit of excuses for “going slowly” on progressive agenda.

    But when it comes to handing out tax breaks for CME or rate increases for ComEd that stuff moves quickly.


  14. - FormerParatrooper - Thursday, Feb 13, 14 @ 4:36 pm:

    Medical marijuana I think, I may be wrong, is just a step to legalization. A lot of eyes are on Colorado and Washington. Once the taxation issue is figured out I don’t see a big leap to other States following. It does appeal to my libertarian side, but I have personal doubts about the merits of legalization.

    Ccw is now law. Which does not appeal to my libertarian side. I have issue with proving yourself innocent in a society where innocence is supposed to be presumed. In our case in Illinois, the FOID act was supposed to keep firearms from the criminal class. The fact a FOID is required to apply for ccw, any one who is denied ccw points to failure in the FOID process.

    We have a year to see which takes on the most applicants, which is presumed to increase, or decrease crime, and which is


  15. - FormerParatrooper - Thursday, Feb 13, 14 @ 4:38 pm:

    Embraced by the most people. Sorry about added post, using a mobile and the say it button got hit.


  16. - MrJM - Thursday, Feb 13, 14 @ 5:11 pm:

    “I would prefer to wait, just to make sure this rolls out correctly,”

    Here is a handy video that will help the uncertain roll correctly: http://youtu.be/fc3qMysfJjc

    – MrJM


  17. - Todd - Thursday, Feb 13, 14 @ 5:36 pm:

    Word, it just got eaiser in Cali today check out the 9th Circuit ruling knocking out their just cause requirement


TrackBack URI

Sorry, comments for this post are now closed.


* We interrupt this break for a special announcement...
* Reader comments closed for the weekend
* Afternoon updates
* Stop the satellite TV tax!
* *** UPDATED 1x *** Twitter suspends parody account @peoriamayor
* Lesson learned: Don't 'Leave'
* Fitch affirms Illinois GO Bond rating
* BGA: Rauner firm holds state contracts; political round-up
* Question of the Day
* CAPTION CONTEST!
* Yesterday's blog posts

Support CapitolFax.com
Visit our advertisers...

...............

...............

...............

...............

...............

...............


Search This Blog...

Search the 98th General Assembly By Bill Number
(example: HB0001)

Search the 98th General Assembly By Keyword

          
        * The Android Community Team: a bit of offline time
        * #Love: I’m Single, Therefore I Tinder
        * Hands On With Facebook Nearby Friends [Video]: No More Checkins
        * In Digital Health, Does Nike Have A Path To Victory After Fuelband?
        * Android Community Weekly Wrap-Up for April 19, 2014
        * Baldur’s Gate Enhanced Edition: first impressions on a revived classic
        * Hands On With Facebook's Nearby Friends

        * Princeton Digital storehouse ShAir Disk (PTW-WMS1) Wireless Mobile Storage
        * NEC MultiSync LCD-X554UNS 55-Inch LCD Monitor
        * LUXA2 EnerG 6600mAh Portable Battery Bank
        * The Rufus Cuff Will Put A 3-inch Screen On Your Wrist
        * Moto G LTE And Ferrarri Rumored To Be In The Works
        * Facebook Rumored To Launch Their Own Mobile Ad Network
        * ASUS Striker GTX 760 Platinum 4GB Graphics Card

        * White Sox 16, Rangers 2: No sweep, no normalcy
        * Strikeout stands after White Sox challenge
        * Dunn unimpressed with .304 batting average
        * Beckham close, but not back
        * Danks wants to be less wild but equally effective
        * Webb ready for action
        * White Sox turn up power for Johnson


        Main Menu
        Home
        Illinois
        YouTube
        Pundit rankings
        Obama
        Subscriber Content
        Durbin
        Burris
        Blagojevich Trial
        Advertising
        Updated Posts
        Polls

        Archives
        April 2014
        March 2014
        February 2014
        January 2014
        December 2013
        November 2013
        October 2013
        September 2013
        August 2013
        July 2013
        June 2013
        May 2013
        April 2013
        March 2013
        February 2013
        January 2013
        December 2012
        November 2012
        October 2012
        September 2012
        August 2012
        July 2012
        June 2012
        May 2012
        April 2012
        March 2012
        February 2012
        January 2012
        December 2011
        November 2011
        October 2011
        September 2011
        August 2011
        July 2011
        June 2011
        May 2011
        April 2011
        March 2011
        February 2011
        January 2011
        December 2010
        November 2010
        October 2010
        September 2010
        August 2010
        July 2010
        June 2010
        May 2010
        April 2010
        March 2010
        February 2010
        January 2010
        December 2009
        November 2009
        October 2009
        September 2009
        August 2009
        July 2009
        June 2009
        May 2009
        April 2009
        March 2009
        February 2009
        January 2009
        December 2008
        November 2008
        October 2008
        September 2008
        August 2008
        July 2008
        June 2008
        May 2008
        April 2008
        March 2008
        February 2008
        January 2008
        December 2007
        November 2007
        October 2007
        September 2007
        August 2007
        July 2007
        June 2007
        May 2007
        April 2007
        March 2007
        February 2007
        January 2007
        December 2006
        November 2006
        October 2006
        September 2006
        August 2006
        July 2006
        June 2006
        May 2006
        April 2006
        March 2006
        February 2006
        January 2006
        December 2005
        April 2005
        March 2005
        February 2005
        January 2005
        December 2004
        November 2004
        October 2004

        Blog*Spot Archives
        November 2005
        October 2005
        September 2005
        August 2005
        July 2005
        June 2005
        May 2005

        Syndication

        RSS Feed 2.0
        Comments RSS 2.0
        WordPress

        Loading


        * Campaign 2014: GOP challenger Jim Oberweis conc.....
        * Durbin: Taking Oberweis seriously..
        * Casino bill must include Chicago — and safeguards..
        * US Sen. Durbin says he's taking Oberweis seriously..
        * Former death row inmate details difficulties..


        * Arrest made in death of Chicago man in Utah
        * Former death row inmate details difficulties
        * Cardinal: Could be last Easter as archbishop
        * Police: 6 people injured in Easter party shooting
        * Video gambling exclusion list prompts questions
        * Chicagoan to run 35th straight Boston Marathon
        * Authorities: Newborn baby found in plastic bag
        * Lawyer: No more appeals for Crundwell
        * Downtown Belleville fountain damaged by car crash
        * Chicagoan to run 35th straight Boston Marathon

        * Addiction experts: Illinois budget cuts could hurt drug treatment
        * Comptroller Topinka reports $125K in income
        * Bernard Schoenburg: Durbin, Oberweis spar over earmarks, minimum wage
        * Statehouse Insider: It doesn’t always add up in the General Assembly
        * Chicago casino plan draws more support at legislative hearing
        * Video gaming may get its own exclusion list
        * U of I officials seeking to prevent retirement rush
        * U of I asks state legislators to prevent retirement rush; could affect 200 at UIS
        * 2015 tax rates still far from settled
        * Strip club tax brings in much less than expected

        * Census: People are leaving all six Chicago-area counties
        * Trixie and Chad have kids!
        * Quinn administration funds Diana Rauner's nonprofit
        * Why Lenovo's Moto bid is looking smarter
        * Ignoring Shakespeare's butcher, law firm advises how to cut legal bills


        * Husband, wife — both officers — dead in murder-suicide: police
        * Six shot at Easter party in suburban Montgomery
        * In violent weekend, at least 7 dead, 27 wounded in shootings across Chicago
        * Cardinal celebrates what may be ‘last Easter’ leading Chicago flock
        * 4 shot — including 1 child — in S. Side shooting
        * 4 children injured in South Side drive-by shooting
        * Wallenda says Willis Tower not suited for high-wire act
        * Newborn boy found dead in Northwest Side gangway
        * Chicago man slain in Utah in ‘wrong place at the wrong time’
        * Woman dies after being pulled from Lake Michigan


        * 4 children shot Sunday night in violent Chicago weekend
        * Logan Square residents lament discovery of abandoned baby's body
        * Man in fatal DUI crash was nearly 3 times over the legal limit, prosecutors say
        * Police: Husband and wife -- both officers -- dead in apparent murder-suicide
        * 'Nothing is ever without hope,' ailing George tells Catholics on Easter
        * Man held on $1 million bail in Friday shooting
        * FBI looks for duo who robbed Austin neighborhood bank
        * Man critically injured in crash involving motorcycle, semi
        * Geneva woman killed in motorcycle accident in Kane County
        * 6 wounded in shooting at Easter party in Montgomery


        * Illinois Finally Gets 'No Child Left Behind' Waiver
        * U Of I: Illinois Pension Overhaul Had Costly Mistake
        * Fish fry dinners bring food, community to Catholics during Lent
        * Listen To State Week - April 18, 2014
        * Murray Center Advocates Win Appeals Decision
        * Employment Improves, But Illinois Still Lags U.S.
        * Nine Illinois lawmakers vote to fund Obama library - but only five members in attendance
        * WBEZ's Student Stories
        * Interview: John Tinker & The Landmark Case On Students' Right To Free Speech
        * State Legislation Hints At Marijuana Legalization


        * Our Opinion: Don’t drag feet on drone regulation
        * Bernard Schoenburg: Durbin, Oberweis spar over earmarks, minimum wage
        * Bernard Schoenburg: Durbin, Oberweis spar over earmarks, minimum wage
        * Statehouse Insider: It doesn’t always add up in the General Assembly
        * Statehouse Insider: It doesn’t always add up in the General Assembly
        * Armenta L. Johnson: Advocate for quality education to avoid segregation
        * Catherine Walters: Prairie Center Against Sexual Assault notes anniversary, awareness month
        * Video gaming may get its own exclusion list
        * U of I asks state legislators to prevent retirement rush; could affect 200 at UIS
        * Quinn grants 43 clemency requests


        * Rain, cooler temperatures in Q-C forecast
        * Belleville expects little increase in operating expenses
        * This week's lane restrictions
        * An Easter tradition
        * 'Doing a good thing:' Classmates mentor students with autism in Belleville schools
        * Botanical center holds two egg hunts
        * Two dead, three others injured in rural Homer crash
        * Road, bridge projects get $7.7 million
        * Beware of Nipper shaker knockoffs
        * Q-C Christians observe Easter as truly 'epic' event


        * The 10th District money race
        * Aurora Democrat calls out IHSA
        * Lawyers: Ill. hazing law vague, unconstitutional
        * Ill. House OKs lower-cost hunting bill for seniors
        * Quinn’s running mate takes new consulting job

        * Jesse Jackson Jr. placed in solitary confi...
        * Jesse Jackson Jr. Transferred To Alabama P...
        * Jesse Jackson Jr. sent to solitary then tr...
        * Jesse Jackson Jr. Maneuvers Himself Into M...
        * Jesse Jackson Jr. Changes Prisons, Could B...
        * Jesse Jackson Jr Moved to Alabama Prison C...
        * Inmates Sent To Solitary Confinement For H...
        * Jesse Jackson Jr. transferred to minimum s...
        * Jesse Jackson Jr. moved to another prison ...
        * When Punishment Is Torture: An Open Letter...

        * Loading Koch Industries Website Too Many T......
        * Maryland and DC among worst for food aller......
        * Cleveland State University to reestablish ......
        * Convicted political boss Al Sanchez runnin......
        * Candidates make last filings for local, st......

        * Illinois Lt. Gov. Simon opposes pension le......
        * Dillard Odd Man Out on Pension Deal Reaction...
        * Sen. Mark Kirk sides with Rauner on pensio......
        * Governor's race infighting threatens pensi......
        * SCHOONERS - Home of Everyone's Favorite Be......

        * Wishing Buehrle back on Sout’ Side
        * Chris Christie’s pension theft in New Jersey. Nation-wide pension theft needs a nation-wide response.
        * GTCR is Rauner’s Bain Capital. So Squeezy gives him a state contract. Shaking up Springfield?
        * Sunday book review section. This is Not a Test.
        * The Library of Congress Pkwy?
        * Sen. Mark Kirk pokes at Eric Holder: Did NSA spy on Congress?
        * Democratic National Committee Executive Committee meeting in Chicago June 8
        * Emily's List hits Chicago June 27: Sebelius, Lisa Madigan, Neely, Finney to speak
        * Feinstein, Chambliss defend phone data snooping to "keep the homeland safe." Durbin has concerns. UPDATED
        * President Obama official schedule and guidance June 6, 2013. North Carolina, California


        * Governor Quinn Announces Investments to Conserve Lake Michigan Shoreline - Visits Volunteer Beach Clean-up to Announce Investments That Will Support Environmental Education and Stewardship Projects
        * Governor Pat Quinn Takes Clemency Action
        * Proposed Rules for Compassionate Use of Medical Cannabis Pilot Program Act Filed
        * Adopt-A-Highway Spring Cleanup Begins Today - Annual Event Honors Earth Day, Tackles Roadside Litter After Harsh Winter
        * Illinois Schools Win No Child Left Behind Waiver - Federal Government Approves Flexibility Needed for Successful Implementation of State Strategies to Improve Student Learning




            Hosted by MCS SUBSCRIBE to Capitol Fax Advertise Here Mobile Version Contact Rich Miller