SUBSCRIBE to Capitol Fax      Advertise Here      Mobile Version     Exclusive Subscriber Content     Updated Posts    Contact
CapitolFax.com
To subscribe to Capitol Fax, click here.
Edgar supports keeping tax hike permanent, but still has criticisms

Friday, Mar 28, 2014

* From Peoria Public Radio

Former Governor Jim Edgar says spending cuts triggered by the scheduled reduction in the state income tax rate would make it even harder to catch up on unpaid back bills and fund education. So the Republican Edgar says Governor Pat Quinn’s budget proposal to make the state income tax hike permanent is a good idea. But Edgar says it would have been better if the income tax increase had been paired with cuts and controls on spending in the first place.

“You don’t raise revenue or come up with a consistent revenue source and not do the tax cutting or controls that you need to do. You ought to do them all at the same time. Think that was a mistake they made three years ago, whenever they passed this temporary tax. They didn’t really make any spending cuts or put any effective spending controls in. Would have been helpful,” says Edgar. […]

As for the $500 property tax credit that Governor Quinn is proposing, Edgar says it’s useful if it helps get Quinn’s income tax rate extension passed. But he says it’s NOT like his proposal to cut school property taxes through a so-called “education tax swap” back in the 1990s.

Discuss.

- Posted by Rich Miller        


25 Comments
  1. - DuPage Rep - Friday, Mar 28, 14 @ 10:02 am:

    Wonder if he would be saying this if Dillard won?


  2. - Michelle Flaherty - Friday, Mar 28, 14 @ 10:06 am:

    Great. So Dillard’s a “yes”


  3. - Oswego Willy - Friday, Mar 28, 14 @ 10:09 am:

    How is Edgar’s track record supporting or not supporting lately?

    I hear MJM; “You’ll be fine…”


  4. - Norseman - Friday, Mar 28, 14 @ 10:10 am:

    Michelle, not only is his mentor supporting extension he’s a duck and needs a job.


  5. - VanillaMan - Friday, Mar 28, 14 @ 10:11 am:

    Edgar is correct. The statement he made is correct regardless of who made it about whom.

    It is just basic good government work. You don’t do this kind of budgeting at home do you? It is very simple.

    We have a problem paying our bills. There needs to be two things done. One is finding new sources of revenue and the other is cutting overhead and other expenses.

    Doing one without the other is not productive. It isn’t just a matter of politics either. It is just common sense budgeting. On one side, the Democrats want to find new revenue and since they have been calling the shots where that revenue goes - they don’t want to cut anyone off. Understandable. On the other side, we have the GOP which has been cut off from the revenue spending decisions beyond what they like. Naturally the GOP favors cutting the budget over finding new revenue because they don’t control where the revenue, or new revenue goes.

    Consequently it is good politics and good government to hash out both sides, the revenue enhancing side and the cutting side. You can’t do both and make it work.

    Worse, by doing what had been done with the Quinncome Tax, the Democrats set themselves up for failure when it came time to do this work. Without the cuts necessary, the revenue was going to fall short. The Democrats set themselves up to fail and fail they did. Now - they want to make the Quinncome Tax permanent because they have to.

    Edgar said it right. Quinn did it wrong.

    Fix it.


  6. - VanillaMan - Friday, Mar 28, 14 @ 10:12 am:

    Or worse - Rauner will.


  7. - Bill - Friday, Mar 28, 14 @ 10:13 am:

    Hey, JE finally figured out to appropriately fund things states need for their citizens, and employees. Wonders never cease.


  8. - Anonymous - Friday, Mar 28, 14 @ 10:14 am:

    Not surprising. Edgar wasn’t very much of a conservative on taxes when he was governor, and like Quinn didn’t know what “temporary” meant.


  9. - Bourbonrich - Friday, Mar 28, 14 @ 10:20 am:

    Being a fiscal conservative does not mean that you never support revenue increases.


  10. - AFSCME Steward - Friday, Mar 28, 14 @ 10:29 am:

    Bourbonrich

    “Being a fiscal conservative does not mean that you never support revenue increases.”

    No, that’s called stupid & irresponsible.


  11. - circularfiringsquad - Friday, Mar 28, 14 @ 10:29 am:

    Great to have Blinky Jim engaged again.
    Easier to remind all about how he trashed DC Netsch over the tax swap and then made it his.
    Someone might remind him that no one was ever able to develop a workable swap plan so life has moved on.


  12. - Walter Mitty - Friday, Mar 28, 14 @ 10:35 am:

    But good politics hangs the noose on the party that did it…. Stupid and irresponsible is reserved for the party that passed it… You can’t cut one party out of a solution then beg them back in…


  13. - Demoralized - Friday, Mar 28, 14 @ 10:37 am:

    @VM:

    The only thing I disagree with you on is that you seem to be asserting that no cuts have been made, when in fact plenty of cutting has been done. Maybe I’ve misinterpreted your comments and if I have I apologize.


  14. - VanillaMan - Friday, Mar 28, 14 @ 10:42 am:

    But good politics hangs the noose on the party that did it…. Stupid and irresponsible is reserved for the party that passed it… You can’t cut one party out of a solution then beg them back in…

    There are dozens of other state governments that demonstrate otherwise.

    Perhaps this is why Illinois politicians just want to lie to voters - they believe this is the only way to do the citizen’s business.


  15. - Michelle Flaherty - Friday, Mar 28, 14 @ 10:46 am:

    FY 99 was Edgar’s last budget, the crowning end to his responsible administration.

    That budget put $1.1 billion into the pension funds, more than any previous year. $573 million went to TRS and at the time, was considered “education funding.”

    For perspective, the current budget covers a $6.7 billion pension payment of which roughly $3.4 billion is TRS but is no longer considered “education funding”


  16. - AFSCME Steward - Friday, Mar 28, 14 @ 10:50 am:

    Walter Mitty

    “You can’t cut one party out of a solution then beg them back in…”

    The voters cut out that party. The ILGOP has no solutions or answers, thus they keep losing elections.


  17. - Walker - Friday, Mar 28, 14 @ 11:21 am:

    The one reality people like to ignore is that discretionary state spending is down, (not including the pension payments), and has been reduced substantially since this new tax rate was implemented. It has even allowed the late bills due to be reduced over time — which means that the operating budget has been operating at better than “balanced” and thus put off more cash to pay down some bills.

    Maybe not enough, but to simply repeat “spending has increased” and imply that this sucked up all the increased revenue, misleads.

    I don’t think either side has done enough.

    We must get all in on fixing this problem now. That would include the high-earner surcharge, extending the tax rates, spreading the sales tax base to include services, more future pension cost sharing with local employers, and establishing a firm ceiling on spending that is significantly less than the expected revenues, and creates a mathematically sound multi-year fiscal plan to get out of this mess.

    As I’ve said before — do it all, no trade offs.


  18. - Bill White - Friday, Mar 28, 14 @ 11:42 am:

    A mathematically sound multi-year fiscal plan to get out of this mess should include issuing bonds at historic low interest rates to clear up the unpaid bills backlog.

    And, to the extent unpaid bills are due to Illinois vendors, the state would get up to 5% cash back from the IL income tax those vendors would pay on the money the state paid to them.


  19. - Walter Mitty - Friday, Mar 28, 14 @ 11:45 am:

    Steward…Touche’… But the times they are a changin… The Farmer will have to lay out a plan… Platitudes will need substance. I will not bet against the “average” citizen okay with a tax increase. The cuts will be draconian we are told… You can keep your plan… Both parties are guilty yes…You may only have classwarefare as your play… But, RTauner won. But when the music stops, I would rather be the party that is not increasing taxes on all… Not in our climate.


  20. - Truthteller - Friday, Mar 28, 14 @ 12:39 pm:

    Jim Edgar is correct about the need for tax dollars, but wrong about more cuts.
    Should we cut education?
    Medicaid? Tell us where.
    Universities? They have been getting whacked for a decade?
    Mental health services? We need to expand them.
    It sounds nice to say we should raise revenue and cut programs, but the truth is there isn’t any major program funded by the state which is overly generous


  21. - Arthur Andersen - Friday, Mar 28, 14 @ 1:38 pm:

    Michelle, recall that Edgar kept the books that way so that he could say that “51 cents of every new dollar went to education” or something like that.


  22. - dupage dan - Friday, Mar 28, 14 @ 1:42 pm:

    The problem is, Truthteller, is that voters don’t want to pay the freight for the programs. That’s why we are in the pickle we are in. Everyone is on board for “saving the children”. Who isn’t?

    If folks aren’t willing to pay - the program shouldn’t be created. Now that they are in place, each program has a cause and a constituency which can not be denied. Let’s not forget, there’s a whole raft of problems that the state isn’t even involved with. Why are we denying THOSE folks? Pony up.


  23. - Cheswick - Friday, Mar 28, 14 @ 2:37 pm:

    As the Republican senior statesman in Illinois, has Jim Edgar had a sit-down with Bruce Rauner, yet? Is he going to?


  24. - Yellow Dog Democrat - Friday, Mar 28, 14 @ 2:53 pm:

    Edgar, I love ya…but the spending controls were in fact put in place, to prevent skipping pension payments and prevent lawmakers from spending more money than is forecast to be available.


  25. - Michelle Flaherty - Friday, Mar 28, 14 @ 3:08 pm:

    AA,
    I believe you are correct. the standard shifted once the classroom money began to dry up as the pension number increased and suddenly the education community wasn’t OK with counting teacher retirement funding as “education funding.”
    By the Edgar-era standards, we’re funding education more than ever.


TrackBack URI

Sorry, comments for this post are now closed.


* Frerichs has new idea
* *** UPDATED x1 *** Rauner sides with Uber
* Question of the day
* *** UPDATED x1 *** Rauner campaign claims Quinn security detail "verbally assaulted and physically removed" a tracker
* Judge rules state can close Murray Center
* Griffin talks about what he's up to here
* NFIB "will lead the fight" against Rauner service tax
* SUBSCRIBERS ONLY - Political events calendar
* A silly Koch poke
* SUBSCRIBERS ONLY - Supplement to today’s edition
* Appellate court approves expedited term limits hearings
* What do they do now?
* Today's oppo dump
* SUBSCRIBERS ONLY - Today's edition of Capitol Fax (use all CAPS in password)
* Yesterday's blog posts

Support CapitolFax.com
Visit our advertisers...

...............

...............


Search This Blog...

Search the 98th General Assembly By Bill Number
(example: HB0001)

Search the 98th General Assembly By Keyword

          
        * 10 Apps That Will Help You Sleep Better
        * Snapheal review: Make those background objects in your photos go away
        * Walk this way: 6 pedometer apps for iPhone
        * Nokia Lumia 530 announced, entry-level Windows Phone 8.1
        * Lumia 530: the powerful entry to Windows Phone
        * First batch of NVIDIA SHIELD Tablet games revealed
        * Twitch.tv app gets a facelift and expanded search

        * Lifehacker Pack for Chrome: Our List of Essential Chrome Extensions
        * Google Now Beats Out Siri In Accuracy Test
        * LINE App Updated With Hidden Message Feature
        * Entry-level, Affordable Sony Full-Frame Camera In The Works [Rumor]
        * Putin signs law that could end up blocking Facebook and Twitter in Russia
        * Microsoft Could Rename Cortana For China [Rumor]
        * Yeti’s Fancy New Bike Will Smooth Out Your Bumpy Backcountry Rides

        * Adam Eaton still getting on base despite injured finger
        * Quintana aims for continued success vs. Royals
        * Top White Sox pick Rodon makes pro debut
        * White Sox gain on pair of reviews vs. Royals
        * White Sox bested by Chen, Royals' big frame
        * Royals 7, White Sox 1: Quiet night for bats, long night for pitching
        * Royals' four-run inning gets best of White Sox


        Main Menu
        Home
        Illinois
        YouTube
        Pundit rankings
        Obama
        Subscriber Content
        Durbin
        Burris
        Blagojevich Trial
        Advertising
        Updated Posts
        Polls

        Archives
        July 2014
        June 2014
        May 2014
        April 2014
        March 2014
        February 2014
        January 2014
        December 2013
        November 2013
        October 2013
        September 2013
        August 2013
        July 2013
        June 2013
        May 2013
        April 2013
        March 2013
        February 2013
        January 2013
        December 2012
        November 2012
        October 2012
        September 2012
        August 2012
        July 2012
        June 2012
        May 2012
        April 2012
        March 2012
        February 2012
        January 2012
        December 2011
        November 2011
        October 2011
        September 2011
        August 2011
        July 2011
        June 2011
        May 2011
        April 2011
        March 2011
        February 2011
        January 2011
        December 2010
        November 2010
        October 2010
        September 2010
        August 2010
        July 2010
        June 2010
        May 2010
        April 2010
        March 2010
        February 2010
        January 2010
        December 2009
        November 2009
        October 2009
        September 2009
        August 2009
        July 2009
        June 2009
        May 2009
        April 2009
        March 2009
        February 2009
        January 2009
        December 2008
        November 2008
        October 2008
        September 2008
        August 2008
        July 2008
        June 2008
        May 2008
        April 2008
        March 2008
        February 2008
        January 2008
        December 2007
        November 2007
        October 2007
        September 2007
        August 2007
        July 2007
        June 2007
        May 2007
        April 2007
        March 2007
        February 2007
        January 2007
        December 2006
        November 2006
        October 2006
        September 2006
        August 2006
        July 2006
        June 2006
        May 2006
        April 2006
        March 2006
        February 2006
        January 2006
        December 2005
        April 2005
        March 2005
        February 2005
        January 2005
        December 2004
        November 2004
        October 2004

        Blog*Spot Archives
        November 2005
        October 2005
        September 2005
        August 2005
        July 2005
        June 2005
        May 2005

        Syndication

        RSS Feed 2.0
        Comments RSS 2.0
        WordPress

        Loading


        * Candidate thinks office should be more proactiv.....
        * Vallas calls Rauner budget plan 'devastating,' .....
        * New law empowers McHenry County Board to remove.....
        * Internal Quinn emails: Suburban mayoral jockeyi.....
        * Quinn: Landfill's PCB approval may be withdrawn.....


        * Illinois college breaks ground on mining facility
        * 2 Illinois gang members plead guilty to conspiracy
        * Quinn: Landfill's PCB approval may be withdrawn
        * Former Illini player dies in workout at new school
        * Court endorses Illinois electricity surcharge
        * Lawyers: Factor court decision into pensions case
        * Rockford man charged in second killing
        * Coroner: Remains found in Rochester shed human
        * Illinois insurance subsidies in place for now
        * Quinn signs $1B plan for road repair in Illinois

        * Lawmakers delay probe of Quinn's anti-violence program
        * Concealed carry rules tough on out-of-state residents
        * Rauner calls for changes to state's tax policy
        * Quinn aide: Court rulings don’t jeopardize federal health-care subsidies
        * Lawyers will push to speed up pension reform ruling
        * Bernard Schoenburg: Finance reports show a field of well-funded mayoral candidates
        * Lawyers: Factor court decision into pensions case
        * State appeals court upholds FutureGen power agreement
        * Cutbacks in annual pension increases unconstitutional, Schimpf says
        * Incumbents Manar, Scherer lead challengers in fundraising

        * AvantCredit wins $75 million slug of equity; now employs 350
        * Lawyers: Factor court decision into pensions case
        * Joan Harris to receive National Medal of Arts from President Obama
        * Rauner hails Uber as taxi war spreads to governor's race
        * Francia Harrington to leave Chase for new role


        * Steve Whitman, epidemiologist who helped reduce racial disparities in health care, dies at 71
        * Facebook page helps musicians recover stolen equipment
        * CPS plans to move Kenwood Academy program into closed school
        * Chicago State official sues UIC, claims it violated privacy law by discussing plagiarism claim
        * Appellate court  misdiagnoses  Obamacare
        * Driver appears in court on charges in fatal I-55 crash
        * Pal of Cicero Town President Larry Dominick to plead guilty
        * Daley pal gets lucrative development deal — despite unpaid federal taxes
        * Groups blast CPS budget as 'shortsighted,' based on gimmicks
        * Tuesday could be hottest day yet, thunderstorms possible


        * West Side, South Side shootings wound 5
        * Judge could rule on Daley health issue today
        * Chicago Public Schools budget expected to be approved
        * White House to honor 2 Chicagoans for arts, humanities
        * Woman sues jail officer, Cook County Sheriff's Office in son's killing
        * Niles trustees give OK for gun shop to be near schools
        * Man charged with sex assault of 5-year-old at wife's day care
        * Emanuel on red light ticket refunds: 'Not for me to decide'
        * Emanuel on red light ticket refunds: 'Not for me to decide'
        * Emanuel won't take questions on red light ticket spikes


        * Trucker Questions: Are Police Above Illinois' Traffic Laws?
        * Trucker Asks: Are Police Above The Law?
        * Republican Attorney General Candidate: Pension Changes Unconstitutional
        * Listen to State Week - July 11, 2014
        * With GED, Illinois Bundles Job Training
        * WUIS Archive: Alan Dixon Was Gracious In Defeat
        * Fire Closes State Building Today
        * Billboards demand respect for transgender women
        * State Fire Marshal: No Illegal Fireworks This Fourth
        * Seven Months And Two Storms Later, Executive Mansion Gets Mini-Fix


        * Concealed carry rules tough on out-of-state residents
        * Quinn aide: Court rulings don’t jeopardize federal health-care subsidies
        * Lawyers will push to speed up pension reform ruling
        * State appeals court upholds FutureGen power agreement
        * Cutbacks in annual pension increases unconstitutional, Schimpf says
        * Quinn: Landfill's PCB approval may be withdrawn
        * To fight crime, Chicago tries wiping away arrests
        * Quinn signs $1B plan for road repair in Illinois
        * Howlett Building closed Tuesday after small fire
        * Douglas Mayol: Shops are great, but downtown needs shoppers


        * Lawyers: Factor court decision into pensions case
        * Top of the Morning, July 23, 2014
        * Illinois rest stop killing suspect faces additional charges
        * Court endorses Illinois electricity surcharge
        * Water main work begins in downtown Bettendorf
        * Defense to present case at Davenport principal's hearing
        * New buyer for Audubon School property signs purchase agreement
        * After the humidity, comes cooler weather for the Quad-Cities
        * Don't miss this
        * Kristopher Treat


        * Dawn Patrol: Grayslake Central teen honored; warrant issued in Elgin stabbing
        * Harrelson a big part of Thomas, La Russa's careers
        * Maddux admits he's nervous for HOF weekend
        * Arlington Heights teen advances on 'Jeopardy'
        * Group offers help after Naperville quarry deaths

        * Case files against Sandi and Jesse Jackson...
        * Mystery Loan Lets Ex-Representative Jesse ...
        * Mystery loan lets Jacksons keep both homes...
        * The Civil Rights Movement 50 Years Later -...
        * Statement by Rep. Jan Schakowsky on Presid...
        * Atanus disputes email announcing withdrawa...
        * Statement by Rep. Jan Schakowsky on Tragic...
        * Statement by Rep. Jan Schakowsky on Suprem...
        * Statement by Rep. Jan Schakowsky on Suprem...
        * Schakowsky Joins Cicilline and other Lawma...

        * U.S. Senator: ‘All Signs Point to Putin’ B......
        * A lesson for America from MH17: Don't arm ......
        * U.S. Senator: ‘All Signs Point to Putin’ B......
        * U.S. Senator: ‘All Signs Point to Putin’ B......
        * Durbin to Putin: Take responsibility for c......

        * Letter: Three Blind Mice: Durbin, Kirk and......

        * Chicago Tonight Discusses Tribune’s Red Light Camera Story
        * ‘Smash & Grab’ Car Break-Ins Up In Some Chicago Neighborhoods
        * Are Rauner/Edgar alike on taxes?
        * Pimp My Fair Ride
        * SportsMonday: Offseason City
        * The Week In Chicago Rock
        * Fantasy Fix: Studs, Duds & A Cub
        * Comment on Chicago Muslims Threaten Violence Against Jews Over Gaza by » Chicago Muslims Threaten Violence Against Jews Over Gaza
        * George Schmidt. Here a doctor. There a doctor.
        * Our lawyers to Judge Belz. The Supremes have ruled. Can we speed this pension thing up?


        * Governor Quinn Signs $1.1 Billion Capital Construction Bill - Shovel Ready Projects Will Create Thousands of Jobs and Drive Economic Growth
        * Governor Quinn Signs Legislation to Strengthen Ethics Provisions in County Government - Law Helps Increase Accountability for Public Officials in Illinois’ Collar Counties
        * Governor Quinn Signs Legislation to Help Ease Pain for Adults and Children with Seizures - New Law Adds Seizures to List of Debilitating Medical Conditions Under the Compassionate Use of Medical Cannabis Act
        * Governor Quinn Signs Legislation to Help Ensure Fair Hiring Practices Across Illinois - New Law Prevents Criminal Background Checks Until After an Applicant is Deemed Qualified for a Job
        * Governor Quinn Unveils Mandela Road in Chicago - Portion of Cicero Avenue Now Named for Late World Leader




            Hosted by MCS SUBSCRIBE to Capitol Fax Advertise Here Mobile Version Contact Rich Miller