LIVE session coverage...
SUBSCRIBE to Capitol Fax      Advertise Here      Mobile Version     Exclusive Subscriber Content     Updated Posts    Contact
CapitolFax.com
To subscribe to Capitol Fax, click here.
Fun with numbers

Monday, May 12, 2014

* From a PQ campaign press release…

A new poll today showing that 99% of Chicagoans don’t want higher property taxes confirmed a key principle of Governor Pat Quinn’s budget: Illinois over-relies on the property tax.

Governor Quinn is pushing a responsible and honest budget plan that would begin to reduce the state’s over-reliance on property taxes by properly funding education and sending every homeowner a guaranteed $500 property tax refund each year.

By contrast, billionaire Bruce Rauner is scheming to shift more of the tax burden to property taxpayers by cutting the state’s investment in education.

“It’s no surprise that Rauner - a self-proclaimed member of the .01% - would be scheming to do something that the 99% are strongly against,” Quinn spokesman Izabela Miltko said. “By cutting the state’s support for education, Rauner would preside over the largest property tax increase in Illinois history.

“It’s time to lower the property tax burden for homeowners across Illinois by properly funding our schools and sending every homeowner a guaranteed $500 property tax refund each year. The governor’s budget plan does just that.”

More than 2.1 million Illinois households would receive an annual $500 property tax refund under the governor’s budget plan, which also provides the largest increase in funding for the classroom in state history. Illinois collects more money in property taxes than the state’s sales tax and income tax combined.

* The poll didn’t say that 99 percent of Chicagoans don’t want a property tax hike. The somewhat oddly worded McKeon & Associates poll [ADDING: McKeon just called to say that the Sun-Times chose the question’s wording] merely allowed Chicagoans to pick their preference of new revenue streams

Offered four choices on ways Chicago could solve its $20 billion pension crisis, raising property taxes ranked dead-last, chosen by only one percent of the Chicago voters surveyed.

The favorite remedies on the list — both at 25 percent — were a “commuter tax” on suburbanites who work in Chicago and the transaction tax on LaSalle Street exchanges championed by the Chicago Teachers Union.

Running close behind — at 21 percent — was a city income tax. That’s somewhat surprising, since a city income tax would have to be paid by many of those polled.

The transaction tax is dead, as is the city income tax. The commuter tax isn’t going anywhere any time soon. And while the 1 percent favoring a property tax hike is newsworthy, there apparently were no follow-up questions about what voters actually thought of that prospect.

* Also, the governor’s proposed property tax rebate isn’t really a property tax rebate. It’s a $500 check to all Illinois homeowners - at a net new cost to income taxpayers of $700 million.

* And, as Rauner has noted before, education funding hasn’t been protected by Quinn in the past. So, is the governor, then, responsible for large numbers of school-related property tax hikes? And since the governor pushed the original income tax hike, which didn’t include money for local government revenue sharing, is he also responsible for their tax hikes?

- Posted by Rich Miller        


27 Comments
  1. - Angry Republican - Monday, May 12, 14 @ 10:43 am:

    Are you sure the survey wasn’t commissioned by The Onion? http://www.theonion.com/articles/report-98-percent-of-us-commuters-favor-public-tra,1434/


  2. - Rob Roy - Monday, May 12, 14 @ 10:48 am:

    They had to take a pool to figure that out? Nobody wants to pay higher taxes on anything. And if anybody does, I am sure that they can do it voluntarily. Leave the rest of us out of it.


  3. - Responsa - Monday, May 12, 14 @ 10:51 am:

    ==“It’s no surprise that Rauner - a self-proclaimed member of the .01% - would be scheming to do something that the 99% are strongly against==

    Yeah, “scheming”. I burst out laughing at Izabela’s verbiage. Is it just me or are many political spokespeople these days really really bad at it?


  4. - Langhorne - Monday, May 12, 14 @ 10:51 am:

    rich, please dont go confusing things by dredging up facts and expecting consistency and logic. cut, cut, cut,increase. all that matters is the most recent year to year comparison, and whatever is in the most recent press release. MAP grant is a perfect example. look, shiny.


  5. - RNUG - Monday, May 12, 14 @ 10:52 am:

    Tax thee and thee but not me!

    Not really surprising …


  6. - RNUG - Monday, May 12, 14 @ 10:57 am:

    On a more serious taxation note, here’s a logical / mathematical but not necesarily politically palatable scenario:

    Assuming “pension reform” gets tossed by the ISC, we can expect to see both the extension of the current temp income tax and a gradual cost shift of teachers (TRS) to the local districts, driving up the local property taxes. Then the local municipalities, to bail out their failing pension systems, will either further increase property taxes or increase local sales taxes.


  7. - Soccermom - Monday, May 12, 14 @ 11:11 am:

    Here’s the reason I don’t support the property tax “rebate”: It does nothing to help renters, who tend to be lower-income. Those folks are paying property taxes as a chunk of their rent, but they won’t get the benefits of this.


  8. - PublicServant - Monday, May 12, 14 @ 11:14 am:

    Soccermom, the middle class needs help too.


  9. - abc123 - Monday, May 12, 14 @ 11:21 am:

    Because pensioners pay no income tax, but they do pay property tax.


  10. - The Prince - Monday, May 12, 14 @ 11:22 am:

    However one defines the always nebluous “middle class” (definitions are legion) everyone needs help. Property taxes are so high in Illinois-Cook County especially-its basically like paying rent to the government to live in your own house. Plus, many higher-income people are now renting anyway because banks are not lending money like they once did.


  11. - Commander Norton - Monday, May 12, 14 @ 11:22 am:

    Don’t tax you, don’t tax me; tax the man behind the tree… commuting into the city.

    I agree about the renters, Soccermom. That’s why it’s a bit silly to say Quinn’s plan is a “secret Chicago pension bailout.” I don’t know what percentage of Chicago residents rent, but it’s got to be pretty high.


  12. - Wumpus - Monday, May 12, 14 @ 11:22 am:

    Soccermom, maybe their rent won’t increase as much


  13. - Hit or Miss - Monday, May 12, 14 @ 11:25 am:

    “Running close behind — at 21 percent — was a city income tax.”

    I for one do not see the difference in paying $100 a year in city income tax and paying $100 more in property taxes. Either way I am paying $100 more in taxes. A city income tax makes paying income taxes more complex and fails to reduce my total tax bill.

    A “commuter tax” on suburbanites who work in Chicago lets me keep my low tax rates and lets someone else pay part of the cost of the pension for those who work for me. Having someone else effectively pay what would otherwise be part of my taxes appeals to me.


  14. - Under Influenced - Monday, May 12, 14 @ 11:26 am:

    PQ of 2014…meet PQ of 2013:

    “Gov. Pat Quinn is expected to call for spending nearly 3 percent less on education as he unveils a new budget proposal Wednesday….

    The $278 million cut to elementary and high school funding would be at least the third straight significant annual reduction from state government to local school districts.”

    http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2013-03-06/news/chi-budget-to-call-for-spending-cuts-20130305_1_education-cuts-pat-quinn-quinn-administration


  15. - Soccermom - Monday, May 12, 14 @ 11:38 am:

    PublicServant — I didn’t mean “low, low income” — I just meant lower income than homeowners. I have rented over the years, as have most of the people I know. We were still classified as middle-class — just weren’t in a position to buy a home at that time. There are plenty of middle-class renters who won’t get any relief from this plan.


  16. - Soccermom - Monday, May 12, 14 @ 11:41 am:

    Not surprised that WBEZ is all over this.
    http://www.wbez.org/news/quinn%E2%80%99s-tax-refund-plan-locks-out-most-illinois-renters-109939

    Apparently about half of the people who live in Chicago are renting. And it is off-point to talk about EITC — the issue here is the number of folks who have middle-class incomes and who are renting, not the folks at the lowest end of the income scale.


  17. - Soccermom - Monday, May 12, 14 @ 11:44 am:

    Wumpus, I can’t tell from the coverage, but I don’t think this rebate would apply to rental units. Usually the term “homeowner” refers to a single owner-occupied unit. So there would be no relief to pass along to renters, even if landlords were feeling generous. (And in a 12-flat, for example, a $500 payment would be about $3.50 a month per unit… So not terribly helpful in any case.)


  18. - PublicServant - Monday, May 12, 14 @ 11:50 am:

    Renters didn’t take the financial hit that homeowners took when housing prices collapsed, Soccermom. I’m fine with the help being targeted to homeowners. Renters can move. Underwater homeowners, can’t sell unless they want to realize sometimes huge losses if they sell now, and that banking bailout didn’t trickle down to homeowners either. As relief to a targeted group of individuals, I’m fine with homeowners being that target.


  19. - Walter Mitty - Monday, May 12, 14 @ 12:01 pm:

    To The Post:
    Quinn is Toast.


  20. - OneMan - Monday, May 12, 14 @ 12:05 pm:

    Yet again the popularity of my TOP (tax other people) plan shines….


  21. - A guy... - Monday, May 12, 14 @ 12:06 pm:

    Izabela isn’t quite ready to wordsmith at this level. Or she’s a human shield. Either way, this is a patsy move.


  22. - Seeker - Monday, May 12, 14 @ 12:07 pm:

    Renters didn’t take the financial hit that property owners did so that means the property owners should get a tax break?
    Good post actually because it shows the mentality of Illinois elected officials.


  23. - phocion - Monday, May 12, 14 @ 12:09 pm:

    A commuter tax, eh? I’m sure the struggling suburban office parks are salivating at the prospect. Just as Chicago is starting to attract some big and not so big corporation from the suburbs to the City, along comes a tax that would make the move economically unattractive. Of course city residents want to tax someone else for their obligations. Consequences? Who cares?!


  24. - Soccermom - Monday, May 12, 14 @ 12:15 pm:

    PublicServant — I understand the impact of the housing collapse. Our own home, Downturn Abbey, just recently appeared above the waterline.

    But here’s the thing: In River Forest (which is hardly considered a solid middle-class community) half of the homeowners will be getting a check — even though the median household income is about $114,337 — more than twice the state median. I don’t think you want to create a situation where a middle-class renter in Chicago is paying more in income tax to give relief to a homeowner in River Forest.
    http://www.city-data.com/city/River-Forest-Illinois.html

    And let’s remember that a lot of today’s renters were yesterday’s homeowners; I would certainly argue that someone who lost a house to a short sale or foreclosure was way more affected by the downturn than someone who has lived in a home for 20 years and whose mortgage is relatively small.

    Frankly, I’d rather see this money directed to school districts — with some strings so it’s not squandered on top administrators’ bloated salaries.


  25. - Jacob S - Monday, May 12, 14 @ 1:22 pm:

    The entire tax code is so complicated and convoluted as is.

    It won’t happen but what reLly needs to happen is a complete overhaul of the entire tax structure in this country from the Federal level all the way down throughout the local level of Government.

    Debating the smaller issues keeps us fighting each other and off the bigger issue and that is the entire tax structure in this country is broken and corrupt.


  26. - Jacob S - Monday, May 12, 14 @ 1:24 pm:

    really


  27. - Harry - Tuesday, May 13, 14 @ 1:22 am:

    The only firm conclusion one can draw is that we have one of the worst choices in the history of the world, in our gubernatorial race. Shame they can’t both lose, as Kissinger said of the Iran-Iraq War.


Sorry, comments for this post are now closed.


* *** UPDATED x3 *** Quick stopgap budget roundup
* *** UPDATED x1 - Video *** Comptroller Munger to "reassess" lawmaker pay delay
* Silver: Trump is gonna get trounced in Illinois
* K-12 preliminary analysis
* What's in the BIMP?
* More heroin/Fentanyl deaths than traffic fatalities
* BGA takes a look at an anti-union group
* What's at stake today
* Question of the day
* SUBSCRIBERS ONLY - Supplement to today’s edition
* *** LIVE *** Session Coverage
* SUBSCRIBERS ONLY - Today's edition of Capitol Fax (use all CAPS in password)
* Yesterday's blog posts

Support CapitolFax.com
Visit our advertisers...

...............

...............

...............

...............

...............


Search This Blog...

Search the 98th General Assembly By Bill Number
(example: HB0001)

Search the 98th General Assembly By Keyword

  
* No red OnePlus 3 for you
* Facebook to Shut Down 'Paper' News Creation and Curation App
* Second HTC Nexus device, “Marlin,” has specs leaked
* Rumors say 64GB iPhone 7 off the table
* Apple may acquire Tidal
* Apple might buy Jay Z’s Tidal music app
* Spotify frames Apple as anti-competitive in app update fracas

* Davidson fractures foot in anticipated return to Majors
* Anderson displays development, all-around game
* Shuck N thrive: No. 9 hitter lifts White Sox over Twins
* Could Burdi make big leagues months after Draft?
* Davidson back in big leagues with White Sox
* For first time since big trade, Shields delivers
* No longer the future, Matt Davidson is finally present

...............


Main Menu
Home
Illinois
YouTube
Pundit rankings
Obama
Subscriber Content
Durbin
Burris
Blagojevich Trial
Advertising
Updated Posts
Polls

Archives
June 2016
May 2016
April 2016
March 2016
February 2016
January 2016
December 2015
November 2015
October 2015
September 2015
August 2015
July 2015
June 2015
May 2015
April 2015
March 2015
February 2015
January 2015
December 2014
November 2014
October 2014
September 2014
August 2014
July 2014
June 2014
May 2014
April 2014
March 2014
February 2014
January 2014
December 2013
November 2013
October 2013
September 2013
August 2013
July 2013
June 2013
May 2013
April 2013
March 2013
February 2013
January 2013
December 2012
November 2012
October 2012
September 2012
August 2012
July 2012
June 2012
May 2012
April 2012
March 2012
February 2012
January 2012
December 2011
November 2011
October 2011
September 2011
August 2011
July 2011
June 2011
May 2011
April 2011
March 2011
February 2011
January 2011
December 2010
November 2010
October 2010
September 2010
August 2010
July 2010
June 2010
May 2010
April 2010
March 2010
February 2010
January 2010
December 2009
November 2009
October 2009
September 2009
August 2009
July 2009
June 2009
May 2009
April 2009
March 2009
February 2009
January 2009
December 2008
November 2008
October 2008
September 2008
August 2008
July 2008
June 2008
May 2008
April 2008
March 2008
February 2008
January 2008
December 2007
November 2007
October 2007
September 2007
August 2007
July 2007
June 2007
May 2007
April 2007
March 2007
February 2007
January 2007
December 2006
November 2006
October 2006
September 2006
August 2006
July 2006
June 2006
May 2006
April 2006
March 2006
February 2006
January 2006
December 2005
April 2005
March 2005
February 2005
January 2005
December 2004
November 2004
October 2004

Blog*Spot Archives
November 2005
October 2005
September 2005
August 2005
July 2005
June 2005
May 2005

Syndication

RSS Feed 2.0
Comments RSS 2.0
WordPress

Loading


* The Latest: Rauner signs stopgap budget deal - .....
* Brown: Rauner, legislators wise to slow down on.....
* Rauner signs stopgap budget deal - Fox 32 Chicago..
* The Latest: Rauner signs stopgap budget deal - .....
* The Latest: Rauner signs stopgap budget deal - .....
* Rauner signs temporary budget deal - nwitimes.com..
* Illinois lawmakers, governor OK stopgap spendin.....
* Illinois lawmakers, governor OK stopgap spendin.....
* The Latest: Rauner signs stopgap budget deal - .....
* The Latest: Rauner signs stopgap budget deal - .....


* Attention turns to court in Illinois remap ballot question
* Judge declares mistrial in murder trial after witness shot
* Illinois jury awards 12-year-old $53M in birth injury case
* Attorneys due in court over Illinois redistricting lawsuit
* Judge hopes to name Van Dyke special prosecutor by August
* Gun shop raffling AR-15 rifle to benefit Orlando victims
* The latest: Illinois lawmakers begin advancing budget deal
* The latest: Illinois House approves 1st parts of budget deal
* Dynegy plans to shutter 1 unit at Baldwin plant by October
* Illinois governor, lawmakers nearing budget deal

* Rauner attends State Museum reopening ceremony, thanks staff
* Lawmakers approve stopgap spending deal, Rauner signs it
* State spending deal OK'd, Rauner signs it
* Illinois House and Senate OK stopgap spending deal
* Recap: Thursday's budget votes at the Illinois Capitol
* Illinois House OKs stopgap spending deal, sends to Senate
* Illinois lawmakers begin voting on stopgap spending deal
* House committee approves some budget bills; members in meetings to hear details
* Follow live: Budget negotiations at the Illinois Capitol
* Follow live: Budget votes at the Illinois Capitol

* Why we should be excited about Obama library architects pick
* Illinois bonds gain as state moves to temporarily halt budget impasse
* Indianapolis shows another side with new Cultural Trail
* Steve Yahn, Crain's first editor, dies at 69
* Pentagon ends ban on transgender troops in military


* First store opens at Englewood Square, soon home to Whole Foods
* More than 1,000 without power after ComEd vault fire
* Woman shot, seriously wounded in Chatham
* Cubs have been great, though 2005 White Sox were even better
* Brown: Rauner, legislators wise to slow down on the victory laps
* Police: Robbers targeting people inside Loop restaurants
* Collins: Arrieta ‘near top of the list’ to start All-Star game
* Mosquitoes test positive for West Nile virus in Highland Park
* Sneed: Ditka reaffirms support for Trump, rips GOPers who don’t
* Smokers, businesses unhappy as age to buy tobacco rises to 21


* Conviction vacated, new trial granted for Adnan Syed of 'Serial'
* Judge blocks Indiana genetic abnormality abortion law
* Syria's refugee children have lost all hope
* Durbin sees 'appearance of impropriety' as Obama associates pursue for-profit university deal
* Young couple convicted in Bali suitcase murder break up
* Kris Bryant's HR vaults Cubs to 2-0 lead in 4th
* Judge still mulling who to appoint to prosecute cop in Laquan McDonald killing
* Vernon Hills man charged with sexually assaulting teen he met on Facebook
* Judge threatens city of Chicago over failure to turn over documents
* Mayor Emanuel says Chicago schools will open on time this fall


* Rauner attends State Museum reopening ceremony, thanks staff
* Lawmakers approve stopgap spending deal, Rauner signs it
* Ann McFeatters: Clinton won't pick risky Warren as running mate
* State spending deal OK'd, Rauner signs it
* Illinois House and Senate OK stopgap spending deal
* Our View: Stopgap was necessary, but not cause for celebration
* Recap: Thursday's budget votes at the Illinois Capitol
* Illinois House OKs stopgap spending deal, sends to Senate
* Illinois lawmakers begin voting on stopgap spending deal
* House committee approves some budget bills; members in meetings to hear details


* NEW: Stopgap spending bill passed, signed
* PODCAST: Sports Talk 06-30-16
* Updated: Hershey rejects kiss from chocolate competitor
* UPDATED: Illinois OKs stopgap spending deal, governor will sign
* Street closures listing
* Meet Peoria Public Schools' new student board members
* 06-30-16 Penny for Your Thoughts
* 06-30-16 Jim Turpin with Linda Moorhouse on Ice Cream and Independence @TheVirginia
* BEAT THE HEAT
* UPDATED: Boil order in effect in Pesotum


* Bad break for debuting Davidson as Sox beat Twins 6-5
* Partial budget passes; schools, social services to be funded
* Former Rolling Meadows teacher pleads not guilty to assault charges
* Judge Judith Brawka is retiring after 25 years on bench
* Second Oak Brook family sues Butler District 53 in cheating scandal

* House lawmakers overcome hurdle on key tra...
* Rodney Davis talks funding with Bloomingto...
* The agency that fought Illiana gets a new ...
* Rep. Dold takes educational cruise down Ch...
* Lawmakers decry high turnover rate of VA h...
* CBD Oil, and politics
* Simon considering state Senate bid
* Killer Congressman Tom MacArthur trying to...
* Shutdown? State may not notice
* Rep. Bob Dold

* Durbin sees 'appearance of impropriety' as......
* Durbin: Obama pal's ties to for-profit uni......
* Obama administration ties to University of......
* Dick Durbin admits he ordered the FBI to p......

* Talk of the County - Chicago Tribune...
* Talk of the County: Stricter enforcement n......

* Labor needs to undercut President Obama’s TPP at the Democratic Convention
* Positive Loitering Friday Night, 6pm-7pm
* "Pokiology" Coming To Wilson Avenue
* UPDATE X1: State legislature agrees on stop gap measure to keep schools open, services for vulnerable and seniors available
* UPDATE X2: State legislature agrees on stopgap measure to keep schools open, services for vulnerable and seniors available
* House agrees on stop gap measure to keep schools open, services for vulnerable and seniors available
* Karl on Brexit.
* In 2013 , my brother wrote some more about “our friend,” Lamar.
* Thorner/O'Neil: Brexit's Fine Line Between Committing and Correcting
* Giovanetti: Trade is Good and Normal


* Emergency Management Officials, National Weather Service Encourage Winter Preparedness - November is Winter Weather Preparedness Month in Illinois
* Keep Your Family Safe This Winter - November through February are leading months for carbon monoxide related incidents
* Governor Takes Bill Action
* Illinois Department of Labor Director Hugo Chaviano Awards Governor’s Award for Contributions in Health and Safety to the Illinois Refining Division of Marathon Petroleum Company LP
* State Regulator Elected Treasurer of Interstate Medical Licensure Compact




Hosted by MCS -- CapitolFax.com Privacy Policy -- SUBSCRIBE to Capitol Fax -- Advertise Here -- Mobile Version -- Contact Rich Miller