Capitol Fax.com - Your Illinois News Radar » *** UPDATED x10 - Verdict today? - LAWYERS SUMMONED - ROD AND PATTI ON THEIR WAY - JURORS CALLED TO COURT *** Jury wants copy of their oath
Michael Ettinger, attorney for Robert Blagojevich, said after court that he interpreted the latest communication with the jury as “all that’s left is to sign the jury forms.”
Ettinger said he expects the jury to return later today.
Asked about the jury requesting a copy of its oath, Ettinger said he expects “someone is going to be read that card and told they are violating their oath.”
He said he had never seen such a request and he took it as a sign of frayed tempers.
“Do you and each of you solemnly swear that you will well and truly try and a true deliverance make between the United States and ______, the defendant at the bar, and a true verdict render according to the evidence, so help you God?”
Asking for the oath sounds like a majority is trying to persuade a minority to decide the case (or some aspect of it) on the evidence and the law, and not based on anything else.
Sounds like they’ve got a holdout on a couple of the counts. I’ve seen this before when they try to convince a juror that he/she is not upholding their duties. Could also be done at the request of the holdout, who is maintaining that they are in fact simply following their oath. In either event, it is sounding like the end is approaching. At least of this chapter.
Asking for the oath is odd. Don’t know what the heck that means. I feel like I’m back in Soviet Studies classes trying to deduce major policy questions based on who stood next to Brezhnev on the May Day dais.
I think a major problem with political trials now and increasingly in the future is that the discourse of politics in this country is reaching extreme polarization. The odds of getting one Limbaugh or Carville likeminded person on a jury of 12 is increasing. At that point it doesn’t matter the evidence against someone; ideology rules the decision.
===I feel like I’m back in Soviet Studies classes trying to deduce major policy questions based on who stood next to Brezhnev on the May Day dais.
It is exactly that–Kremlinology from the 80s.
It’s not a good sign (I admit it), but it could be as simple as discussing what reasonable doubt is. Most of us have some sense of that, but jurors are new to this.
I think a major problem with political trials now and increasingly in the future is that the discourse of politics in this country is reaching extreme polarization. The odds of getting one Limbaugh or Carville likeminded person on a jury of 12 is increasing. At that point it doesn’t matter the evidence against someone; ideology rules the decision.
That’s a really interesting question. I think I’ll look at the literature and see if anyone has addressed it.
With the verdict imminent the State Fair might consider ordering more beer for the Governor’s and GOP days. The beer and sound bites will be flowing.
- The Mighty Swan - Tuesday, Aug 17, 10 @ 12:21 pm:
If Blagojevich or Burge does not have money for their defense why don’t they get a public defender like any other citizen?
Why do we have to pay to defend people who certainly made unethical choices so we can determine if those choices are illegal?
This facet of the political environment in Illinois doesn’t seem to dissuade political corruption (when it could) because the state will provide you with a high priced defense.
If Rod gets kicked loose he is going to be even more insufferable than he was before!!
- Windy City Mama - Tuesday, Aug 17, 10 @ 12:31 pm:
Question : The jurors signed a legal document to weigh all the evidence. Right ? Just suppose one of the jurors stated. “I don’t care what kind of evidence there is.” I don’t think he is quilty. Can this juror be prosecuted ?
we don’t need to research whatever at 12:10. just walk
into any typical courthouse and watch the family
of gangbangers tell you they had no idea and watch
jury members sympathize. happens every day. it’s not the
Carvilles and Limbaughs we have to worry about on
juries. it’s people who are not outraged that a mother
could in effect think that 1 year old babies at 13 pounds
is normal and leave them in a hot attic while she takes
a walk for some shrimp. and we wonder why all the
shooting happens in Chicago….
From Sarah Ostman on the Blago Blog “Rod Blagojevich’s attorney, Sam Adam Jr., was even spotted flashing a grin.” Can we only hope that the verdict will wipe the “grin” off that face!
If Sam Adam Jr. gets it down to even just a couple guilty verdicts, he’s got a reason to smile. Rod might not be happy, but Sam’s meal-ticket-for-life will be written.
I predict a deadlock on a majority of the counts. He gets off on the racketeering counts (the two they agree on) and almost all of the rest are no verdict. Maybe the extortion of Emanuel is a guilty. I would bet that only one to three jurors think he is not guilty of the counts, and that is why there is frustration in the jury room. If it was split 6 - 6 or 7 -5, Most jurors would agree to disagree and move on, but I sense there are only a couple of illogical holdouts.
If there are a couple of people being completely unreasonable, I’m surprised there hasn’t been a request to boot them off the jury, bring in the alternates and start over deliberations.
Mighty Swan, how do you feel about 30 million in out tax dollars going to prosecute a guy that a jury can’t decide on? If its deadlocked, how do you feel about another 30 million in your tax dollars retrying him?
I, For one, think this is a huge waste of money used simply to cover Fitz’s butt. Go get the terrorists and leave Blago the baffoon alone. What harm can he do us now?
I’m going to try and think positive, but so far the trial has shaken my faith in the jury system. We assign the job of juror to people too incompetent to successfully duck the duty, and they promise they are completely ignorant about a man and an incident the rest of the country has discussed in detail for over a year. It stretches credulity. Then the defense team tries to throw out the smarter jurors before the trail starts, in order to get the most malleable piece of human clay upon which to impress an emotional appeal. Frankly, it is miraculous that the system ever works, considering these problems.
If Blago is retried, send it down to Sangamon County, where I promise justice will be swift.
I remember saying during the trial that I am not sure he is being proven guilty, as did many others. That said, I would think the govt. proved its case, at least on some counts, and while I have anger at the jury, I can’t deny that I wasn’t wholly impressed with the facts presented. Now, if it turns out one idiot is the reason for a hung jury, that will annoy me no end. And to the person who said what harm can he do now anyway? I pray you stay away from your television for the next month.
Don’t toss the jury system under the bus just because people in chicago can’t get it right. The voted over 50% to re-elect ths idiot and people act shocked that they may have found one to stick with him.
Chicago is broke, not the jury system, not Illinois, and not the world.
If the jury can’t convict on lying and/or the conspiracy to commit extortion (Children’s Hospital shakedown), I can’t imagine them convicting on the more complicated charges. The one thing the feds (and citizens of Illinois) have going for them is they can retry if there is a hung jury.
Blago can run, but he can’t hide; eventually he will do time in prison.
With the verdict apparently coming today or tomorrow, I want to get a prediction on the record now: 3 guilties: lying to the feds, attempted extortion of Emanuel, and (this is a little out of left field) attempted extortion on the Illinois Tollway construction. I’m guessing everything else, including Robert’s counts, are hung.
While it’s obvious there is at least one holdout for Rod on the jury, I think that may also motivate the most pro-prosecution jurors to hold out for guilty verdicts on everything, thus leaving even Robert’s counts hung.
I’m probably wrong, but that’s my guess.
And if the prosecution doesn’t find the sentence sufficient & wants to re-try him, I think they would be wise to only go with 10 or less counts.
Let’s see… Blago for Congress in ‘12; substitute host for Howard Stern, Don Imus, or some other talking head; hair product pitchman; bit parts in cheesy sci-fi/disaster movies kind of like Marjoe Gortner back in the ’70s (google his name if you don’t know who he was).
If Blago gets off on all counts I wonder how far we are from a Blago about how he was framed by a government conspiracy. Given the number of nut job directors in Hollywood, Oliver Stone comes to mind, I am sure he could sell it.
Perhaps the feds should offer to let Blago plead guilty and avoid jail time on the condition that he never makes any public appearances, gives any interviews, or writes any books for the rest of his life.
- lake county democrat - Tuesday, Aug 17, 10 @ 1:27 pm:
“Do each of you solemnly swear (or affirm) that you will well and truly try, and true deliverance make, in the case now on trial and render a true verdict according to the law and the evidence, so help you God?”
Come to think of it, I have seen reports that a Naked Gun 4 movie is in the works and they probably could use a replacement for OJ Simpson…
As for an Oliver Stone conspiracy flick a la “JFK” I think that would happen only if Obama were to leave office under some huge cloud of scandal and the notion that Blago was some kind of fall guy for him gained traction in the public mind.
- Tired of the Mess - Tuesday, Aug 17, 10 @ 1:37 pm:
Only in Illinois can the facts be twisted. Anyone with more than a 3rd grade IQ could find this fool innocent. I guess that is the break of holding this trial in Chicago. Any other jury in any other federal courthouse would have deliberated for less than an hour and returned with guilty verdicts on all counts and requested the death penalty for him.
- Tired of the Mess - Tuesday, Aug 17, 10 @ 1:39 pm:
Sorry–make that “find this fool guilty”. The rage took over my typing.
- The Mighty Swan - Tuesday, Aug 17, 10 @ 1:42 pm:
Anon - 30 million! Wow.
I wish this judge would make the jury make a decision so we didn’t have to waste another 30 million. I think they’ll get him on a few counts.
Anonymous, do you know that? You said that like you do, so I’m just checking.
Otherwise, Word could be right - there were 11 acts associated wire fraud… maybe one or more jurors is not actively deliberating over each and every one of them.
Nobody knows for sure, but I’ve tried a bunch of cases. It seems likely, given the context, that one or more jurors requested the oath be sent back because they believed that some other juror or jurors weren’t willing to follow the evidence (or the law).
I stand by last week’s prediction, verdict today or tomorrow, only two counts in play (conspiracy to commit), change of Rod walking 50%, chance of Rob walking 75%
The janitor was probably requested to give the doors and windows a quick squirt, given how many cameras are going to be taping from both inside and outside the building.
I work near Dirksen and want to see if I can get in, but I figure the media has all of the public seats sewn up. I know they have been waiting for weeks, but I am not sure that is fair. and I dont mean the media section. the overflow media get in the public line and get all the seats.
Stuck in a hotel and the WiFi is bad. I hope WGN breaks in on the TV soon so I can find out more and see video. Keep up the good work Rich by keeping us informed.
as we await the verdict, I just want to say how important
this “community” has been to me during this trial. thank
you Rich for the links, the opportunites to vent and share
and for your many videos and great distracting questions
of the day. and thanks to those posting for giving
information and reflection. you make me think. when Rich asked us for one word about how we felt, I said interested, and I
remain interested in the posts I read and the questions
and information Professor Miller puts to all of us.
- John Bambenek - Tuesday, Aug 17, 10 @ 11:42 am:
I can’t see that as anything but a bad sign… if they are stuck on the basics after indicating a deadlock problem, it does not bode well.
- George - Tuesday, Aug 17, 10 @ 11:44 am:
That, to me, sounds like a verdict coming soon… If they are filling out the paperwork.
- Anonymous - Tuesday, Aug 17, 10 @ 11:46 am:
Asking for the oath sounds like a majority is trying to persuade a minority to decide the case (or some aspect of it) on the evidence and the law, and not based on anything else.
- Anonymous - Tuesday, Aug 17, 10 @ 11:46 am:
verdict soon he will be guilty on some but hung jury on most.
- Bill - Tuesday, Aug 17, 10 @ 11:48 am:
Be strong brothers and sisters on the jury. Don’t let those other morons bully you. Stand up for what you know is right!
- fed up - Tuesday, Aug 17, 10 @ 11:48 am:
Cmon at least a few guilty counts
- Anonymous - Tuesday, Aug 17, 10 @ 11:48 am:
Sounds like they’ve got a holdout on a couple of the counts. I’ve seen this before when they try to convince a juror that he/she is not upholding their duties. Could also be done at the request of the holdout, who is maintaining that they are in fact simply following their oath. In either event, it is sounding like the end is approaching. At least of this chapter.
- Chicago Cynic - Tuesday, Aug 17, 10 @ 11:55 am:
Asking for the oath is odd. Don’t know what the heck that means. I feel like I’m back in Soviet Studies classes trying to deduce major policy questions based on who stood next to Brezhnev on the May Day dais.
- Wensicia - Tuesday, Aug 17, 10 @ 11:59 am:
I think this jury wants out, they’re probably stuck on some major charges and don’t see a resolution.
- just sayin' - Tuesday, Aug 17, 10 @ 12:00 pm:
The citizens of Illinois should be very happy if it turns out an Illinois public official wasn’t as corrupt as they thought he was. [Only half snark.]
- Anonymous - Tuesday, Aug 17, 10 @ 12:01 pm:
Or was that who stood next to Mayor Richard J. Daley on the dais?
- Amalia - Tuesday, Aug 17, 10 @ 12:05 pm:
Tusk! I’m feeling that we will play that song when at
least one guilty comes in!
- gunner the runner - Tuesday, Aug 17, 10 @ 12:07 pm:
looks like Dem day at the fair could be overshadowed.
- whatever - Tuesday, Aug 17, 10 @ 12:10 pm:
I think a major problem with political trials now and increasingly in the future is that the discourse of politics in this country is reaching extreme polarization. The odds of getting one Limbaugh or Carville likeminded person on a jury of 12 is increasing. At that point it doesn’t matter the evidence against someone; ideology rules the decision.
- ArchPundit - Tuesday, Aug 17, 10 @ 12:11 pm:
===I feel like I’m back in Soviet Studies classes trying to deduce major policy questions based on who stood next to Brezhnev on the May Day dais.
It is exactly that–Kremlinology from the 80s.
It’s not a good sign (I admit it), but it could be as simple as discussing what reasonable doubt is. Most of us have some sense of that, but jurors are new to this.
- ArchPundit - Tuesday, Aug 17, 10 @ 12:14 pm:
==
I think a major problem with political trials now and increasingly in the future is that the discourse of politics in this country is reaching extreme polarization. The odds of getting one Limbaugh or Carville likeminded person on a jury of 12 is increasing. At that point it doesn’t matter the evidence against someone; ideology rules the decision.
That’s a really interesting question. I think I’ll look at the literature and see if anyone has addressed it.
- wndycty - Tuesday, Aug 17, 10 @ 12:20 pm:
With the verdict imminent the State Fair might consider ordering more beer for the Governor’s and GOP days. The beer and sound bites will be flowing.
- The Mighty Swan - Tuesday, Aug 17, 10 @ 12:21 pm:
If Blagojevich or Burge does not have money for their defense why don’t they get a public defender like any other citizen?
Why do we have to pay to defend people who certainly made unethical choices so we can determine if those choices are illegal?
This facet of the political environment in Illinois doesn’t seem to dissuade political corruption (when it could) because the state will provide you with a high priced defense.
- Wacker Drive - Tuesday, Aug 17, 10 @ 12:23 pm:
Prepare for another O.J. Simpson type verdict. Looks like George won’t have a roomy after all.
Only in Illinois folks!
- Bill - Tuesday, Aug 17, 10 @ 12:30 pm:
If Rod gets kicked loose he is going to be even more insufferable than he was before!!
- Windy City Mama - Tuesday, Aug 17, 10 @ 12:31 pm:
Question : The jurors signed a legal document to weigh all the evidence. Right ? Just suppose one of the jurors stated. “I don’t care what kind of evidence there is.” I don’t think he is quilty. Can this juror be prosecuted ?
- Amalia - Tuesday, Aug 17, 10 @ 12:33 pm:
we don’t need to research whatever at 12:10. just walk
into any typical courthouse and watch the family
of gangbangers tell you they had no idea and watch
jury members sympathize. happens every day. it’s not the
Carvilles and Limbaughs we have to worry about on
juries. it’s people who are not outraged that a mother
could in effect think that 1 year old babies at 13 pounds
is normal and leave them in a hot attic while she takes
a walk for some shrimp. and we wonder why all the
shooting happens in Chicago….
- Interested Observer - Tuesday, Aug 17, 10 @ 12:37 pm:
From Sarah Ostman on the Blago Blog “Rod Blagojevich’s attorney, Sam Adam Jr., was even spotted flashing a grin.” Can we only hope that the verdict will wipe the “grin” off that face!
- Loop Lady - Tuesday, Aug 17, 10 @ 12:40 pm:
I think I’m gonna hurl…
- John Bambenek - Tuesday, Aug 17, 10 @ 12:42 pm:
If Sam Adam Jr. gets it down to even just a couple guilty verdicts, he’s got a reason to smile. Rod might not be happy, but Sam’s meal-ticket-for-life will be written.
- the Patriot - Tuesday, Aug 17, 10 @ 12:45 pm:
So if he walks, or only gets a couple of guilty verdits so he would only face say 2 to 5 years, should he be retried? Will he be?
- Stooges - Tuesday, Aug 17, 10 @ 12:45 pm:
I predict a deadlock on a majority of the counts. He gets off on the racketeering counts (the two they agree on) and almost all of the rest are no verdict. Maybe the extortion of Emanuel is a guilty. I would bet that only one to three jurors think he is not guilty of the counts, and that is why there is frustration in the jury room. If it was split 6 - 6 or 7 -5, Most jurors would agree to disagree and move on, but I sense there are only a couple of illogical holdouts.
- Segatari - Tuesday, Aug 17, 10 @ 12:50 pm:
If there are a couple of people being completely unreasonable, I’m surprised there hasn’t been a request to boot them off the jury, bring in the alternates and start over deliberations.
- John Bambenek - Tuesday, Aug 17, 10 @ 12:51 pm:
Blagojevich will be retried if there are a significant number of counts that come back “hung”.
If he’s convicted and gets a hefty sentence but hung on only a few, prosecution will call it a day.
- anon - Tuesday, Aug 17, 10 @ 12:53 pm:
Mighty Swan, how do you feel about 30 million in out tax dollars going to prosecute a guy that a jury can’t decide on? If its deadlocked, how do you feel about another 30 million in your tax dollars retrying him?
I, For one, think this is a huge waste of money used simply to cover Fitz’s butt. Go get the terrorists and leave Blago the baffoon alone. What harm can he do us now?
- OneMan - Tuesday, Aug 17, 10 @ 12:54 pm:
A retrial would not cost nearly as much
- Gregor - Tuesday, Aug 17, 10 @ 12:55 pm:
I’m going to try and think positive, but so far the trial has shaken my faith in the jury system. We assign the job of juror to people too incompetent to successfully duck the duty, and they promise they are completely ignorant about a man and an incident the rest of the country has discussed in detail for over a year. It stretches credulity. Then the defense team tries to throw out the smarter jurors before the trail starts, in order to get the most malleable piece of human clay upon which to impress an emotional appeal. Frankly, it is miraculous that the system ever works, considering these problems.
If Blago is retried, send it down to Sangamon County, where I promise justice will be swift.
- Rich Miller - Tuesday, Aug 17, 10 @ 12:57 pm:
===What harm can he do us now? ===
You have no idea.
- ArchPundit - Tuesday, Aug 17, 10 @ 1:02 pm:
===#
===What harm can he do us now? ===
–==You have no idea.
Welcome to the new Blagojevich Scott Lee Cohen Party!
- Jake L - Tuesday, Aug 17, 10 @ 1:02 pm:
I remember saying during the trial that I am not sure he is being proven guilty, as did many others. That said, I would think the govt. proved its case, at least on some counts, and while I have anger at the jury, I can’t deny that I wasn’t wholly impressed with the facts presented. Now, if it turns out one idiot is the reason for a hung jury, that will annoy me no end. And to the person who said what harm can he do now anyway? I pray you stay away from your television for the next month.
- OneMan - Tuesday, Aug 17, 10 @ 1:06 pm:
===What harm can he do us now? ===
==You have no idea.==
The Rod Report…
Rod Web Radio….
Rod on WGN every day talking about how he could fix things if he were in charge.
- Anonymous - Tuesday, Aug 17, 10 @ 1:07 pm:
Rod could be Jim Laski’s talk-radio partner.
- dupage dan - Tuesday, Aug 17, 10 @ 1:08 pm:
pleasepleasepleasepleaseplease….
My mantra for the week.
- the Patriot - Tuesday, Aug 17, 10 @ 1:08 pm:
Don’t toss the jury system under the bus just because people in chicago can’t get it right. The voted over 50% to re-elect ths idiot and people act shocked that they may have found one to stick with him.
Chicago is broke, not the jury system, not Illinois, and not the world.
- Angry Republican - Tuesday, Aug 17, 10 @ 1:13 pm:
If the jury can’t convict on lying and/or the conspiracy to commit extortion (Children’s Hospital shakedown), I can’t imagine them convicting on the more complicated charges. The one thing the feds (and citizens of Illinois) have going for them is they can retry if there is a hung jury.
Blago can run, but he can’t hide; eventually he will do time in prison.
- 60611 - Tuesday, Aug 17, 10 @ 1:15 pm:
With the verdict apparently coming today or tomorrow, I want to get a prediction on the record now: 3 guilties: lying to the feds, attempted extortion of Emanuel, and (this is a little out of left field) attempted extortion on the Illinois Tollway construction. I’m guessing everything else, including Robert’s counts, are hung.
While it’s obvious there is at least one holdout for Rod on the jury, I think that may also motivate the most pro-prosecution jurors to hold out for guilty verdicts on everything, thus leaving even Robert’s counts hung.
I’m probably wrong, but that’s my guess.
And if the prosecution doesn’t find the sentence sufficient & wants to re-try him, I think they would be wise to only go with 10 or less counts.
- Bookworm - Tuesday, Aug 17, 10 @ 1:16 pm:
“What harm can he do us now?”
Let’s see… Blago for Congress in ‘12; substitute host for Howard Stern, Don Imus, or some other talking head; hair product pitchman; bit parts in cheesy sci-fi/disaster movies kind of like Marjoe Gortner back in the ’70s (google his name if you don’t know who he was).
- Name change - Tuesday, Aug 17, 10 @ 1:24 pm:
Blag OJ evich?
- ok - Tuesday, Aug 17, 10 @ 1:25 pm:
Rod running against Quigley in 2012… Hmmm…
- 2010 - Tuesday, Aug 17, 10 @ 1:25 pm:
What does the oath state in a case?
- RMW Stanford - Tuesday, Aug 17, 10 @ 1:26 pm:
If Blago gets off on all counts I wonder how far we are from a Blago about how he was framed by a government conspiracy. Given the number of nut job directors in Hollywood, Oliver Stone comes to mind, I am sure he could sell it.
- Anonymous - Tuesday, Aug 17, 10 @ 1:26 pm:
Perhaps the feds should offer to let Blago plead guilty and avoid jail time on the condition that he never makes any public appearances, gives any interviews, or writes any books for the rest of his life.
- lake county democrat - Tuesday, Aug 17, 10 @ 1:27 pm:
Name change wins.
- OneMan - Tuesday, Aug 17, 10 @ 1:28 pm:
RMW –
I think I am going to work on a screenplay for that this week.
- OneMan - Tuesday, Aug 17, 10 @ 1:31 pm:
“Do each of you solemnly swear (or affirm) that you will well and truly try, and true deliverance make, in the case now on trial and render a true verdict according to the law and the evidence, so help you God?”
- Bookworm - Tuesday, Aug 17, 10 @ 1:35 pm:
Come to think of it, I have seen reports that a Naked Gun 4 movie is in the works and they probably could use a replacement for OJ Simpson…
As for an Oliver Stone conspiracy flick a la “JFK” I think that would happen only if Obama were to leave office under some huge cloud of scandal and the notion that Blago was some kind of fall guy for him gained traction in the public mind.
- Tired of the Mess - Tuesday, Aug 17, 10 @ 1:37 pm:
Only in Illinois can the facts be twisted. Anyone with more than a 3rd grade IQ could find this fool innocent. I guess that is the break of holding this trial in Chicago. Any other jury in any other federal courthouse would have deliberated for less than an hour and returned with guilty verdicts on all counts and requested the death penalty for him.
- Tired of the Mess - Tuesday, Aug 17, 10 @ 1:39 pm:
Sorry–make that “find this fool guilty”. The rage took over my typing.
- The Mighty Swan - Tuesday, Aug 17, 10 @ 1:42 pm:
Anon - 30 million! Wow.
I wish this judge would make the jury make a decision so we didn’t have to waste another 30 million. I think they’ll get him on a few counts.
- wordslinger - Tuesday, Aug 17, 10 @ 1:45 pm:
Those juror instructions sure cleared things up. “Well and truly try?” “True deliverance make?” So help me, God, what does that even mean?
- Bookworm - Tuesday, Aug 17, 10 @ 1:47 pm:
Future QOTD: what is your favorite (printable) derogatory nickname for RRB?
- Anonymous - Tuesday, Aug 17, 10 @ 1:50 pm:
Wordslinger, it’s “render a true verdict according to the law and the evidence” that’s the issue.
- Wensicia - Tuesday, Aug 17, 10 @ 1:52 pm:
“according to the law and the evidence”
I bet this is what had some of them asking to see the oath.
- Stormin Normin - Tuesday, Aug 17, 10 @ 1:55 pm:
Rod for Mayor of Chicago in 2011
- Rich Miller - Tuesday, Aug 17, 10 @ 1:56 pm:
SN, he’s disqualified from holding any public office in this state.
- George - Tuesday, Aug 17, 10 @ 2:14 pm:
I have to say after reading that Oath… the jurors may just simply be trying to understand what the heck that means.
- KeepSmiling - Tuesday, Aug 17, 10 @ 2:15 pm:
Anonymous, do you know that? You said that like you do, so I’m just checking.
Otherwise, Word could be right - there were 11 acts associated wire fraud… maybe one or more jurors is not actively deliberating over each and every one of them.
- KeepSmiling - Tuesday, Aug 17, 10 @ 2:16 pm:
associated “with” wire fraud.
- Been There - Tuesday, Aug 17, 10 @ 2:26 pm:
If wordslinger can’t figure out the oath then the jurors better have an English professor amongst them to explain it. It’s confusing to me.
- Stormin Normin - Tuesday, Aug 17, 10 @ 2:28 pm:
Rich. You’re terrible sometimes. Just terrible.
- Rich Miller - Tuesday, Aug 17, 10 @ 2:29 pm:
SN, stay within the guidelines or find another place to comment. First, last and only warning for you.
- Anonymous - Tuesday, Aug 17, 10 @ 2:29 pm:
Keep Smiling,
Nobody knows for sure, but I’ve tried a bunch of cases. It seems likely, given the context, that one or more jurors requested the oath be sent back because they believed that some other juror or jurors weren’t willing to follow the evidence (or the law).
- Cincinnatus - Tuesday, Aug 17, 10 @ 2:30 pm:
I stand by last week’s prediction, verdict today or tomorrow, only two counts in play (conspiracy to commit), change of Rod walking 50%, chance of Rob walking 75%
- Ghost - Tuesday, Aug 17, 10 @ 2:36 pm:
This reminds me of 12 angry men for some reason.
- OneMan - Tuesday, Aug 17, 10 @ 2:44 pm:
If I worked closer to the Dirksen building I think I would go wave and hold up a CapFax sign or something….
- Demoralized - Tuesday, Aug 17, 10 @ 2:51 pm:
Do you think the janitor knows he is on live WGN online video washing the windows?
- KeepSmiling - Tuesday, Aug 17, 10 @ 2:58 pm:
The janitor was probably requested to give the doors and windows a quick squirt, given how many cameras are going to be taping from both inside and outside the building.
- Cincinnatus - Tuesday, Aug 17, 10 @ 3:01 pm:
- Demoralized - Tuesday, Aug 17, 10 @ 2:51 pm:
Do you think the janitor knows he is on live WGN online video washing the windows?
He still is washing them, government job?
- Michelle Flaherty - Tuesday, Aug 17, 10 @ 3:04 pm:
Why move from the janitor? He was working.
This camera shot reminds me of a Volkswagen commercial.
- OneMan - Tuesday, Aug 17, 10 @ 3:05 pm:
Is that Ettinger walking in?
- OneMan - Tuesday, Aug 17, 10 @ 3:08 pm:
No I think that was old tape.
- Concerned Observer - Tuesday, Aug 17, 10 @ 3:08 pm:
OneMan, looked like they were rolling old video.
- Knome Sane - Tuesday, Aug 17, 10 @ 3:11 pm:
Sources tell me a verdict within the hour…..
- Rich Miller - Tuesday, Aug 17, 10 @ 3:14 pm:
KS, I’ve been hearing strong rumors of a verdict since 2:30 or so. We’ll see.
- George - Tuesday, Aug 17, 10 @ 3:14 pm:
Msjournalist
Somethings up. Everyone gathered on 25th floor #blagojevich
half a minute ago via Twitter for BlackBerry®
- Knome Sane - Tuesday, Aug 17, 10 @ 3:15 pm:
My sources are impeccable….trust me.
- Michelle Flaherty - Tuesday, Aug 17, 10 @ 3:16 pm:
Is this footage from the unemployment line now?
- Linda - Tuesday, Aug 17, 10 @ 3:16 pm:
Blagojevich trial: Lawyers are summoned to courtroom
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Lawyers in Rod Blagojevich’s case were asked to head to the courtroom.
Details coming.
- Jake L - Tuesday, Aug 17, 10 @ 3:17 pm:
I work near Dirksen and want to see if I can get in, but I figure the media has all of the public seats sewn up. I know they have been waiting for weeks, but I am not sure that is fair. and I dont mean the media section. the overflow media get in the public line and get all the seats.
- Anonymous Coward - Tuesday, Aug 17, 10 @ 3:19 pm:
Ward_Room Ward_Room
the #blagojevich family has left their home in Ravenswood. less than 20 seconds ago via TweetDeck
- Stooges - Tuesday, Aug 17, 10 @ 3:25 pm:
Does Blago live within 30 minutes of the court house, or did he break another rule and travel beyond the judge’s ordered 30 minute radius?
- Knome Sane - Tuesday, Aug 17, 10 @ 3:30 pm:
Stooges,
He lives within the 30 minute radius….
- shore - Tuesday, Aug 17, 10 @ 3:31 pm:
I would create a fresh blago verdict thread with this feed at top.
- Rich Miller - Tuesday, Aug 17, 10 @ 3:32 pm:
I will in a bit.
- OneMan - Tuesday, Aug 17, 10 @ 3:32 pm:
That is not me entering right now btw…
- one day at a time - Tuesday, Aug 17, 10 @ 3:33 pm:
watching and waiting while having a Vose’s corndog…
- Vote Quimby! - Tuesday, Aug 17, 10 @ 3:34 pm:
==Does Blago live within 30 minutes of the court house==
He had to pick up his ’70s copy of Scene It…
I’m nervous about this!
- ArchPundit - Tuesday, Aug 17, 10 @ 3:34 pm:
Being as we are almost the same age I say this with full acknowledgment it applies to me–duh!
- Demoralized - Tuesday, Aug 17, 10 @ 3:36 pm:
@Stooges:
I doubt the judge would prevent Blago from going home given where he lives. Don’t make up a reason to fault Blago - there are plenty of others.
- one day at a time - Tuesday, Aug 17, 10 @ 3:36 pm:
need to open up another parimutuael betting window @ the ISF
- Stooges - Tuesday, Aug 17, 10 @ 3:37 pm:
He was pretty explicit about the 30 minutes, that’s why I asked. It would be just like Rod to ignore authority one more time.
- Publius - Tuesday, Aug 17, 10 @ 3:41 pm:
Stuck in a hotel and the WiFi is bad. I hope WGN breaks in on the TV soon so I can find out more and see video. Keep up the good work Rich by keeping us informed.
- Demoralized - Tuesday, Aug 17, 10 @ 3:41 pm:
@Stooges:
Maybe he could have kicked his heels back in the food court of the Thompson Center!!!
- Amalia - Tuesday, Aug 17, 10 @ 3:44 pm:
as we await the verdict, I just want to say how important
this “community” has been to me during this trial. thank
you Rich for the links, the opportunites to vent and share
and for your many videos and great distracting questions
of the day. and thanks to those posting for giving
information and reflection. you make me think. when Rich asked us for one word about how we felt, I said interested, and I
remain interested in the posts I read and the questions
and information Professor Miller puts to all of us.
hoping for TUSK!
- shore - Tuesday, Aug 17, 10 @ 3:46 pm:
they didn’t have brief cases for the first time-blago adams that is.
- A Citizen - Tuesday, Aug 17, 10 @ 3:47 pm:
We are making history here and so far it’s not very interesting - Rich, please spice it up from the fair.
- Cincinnatus - Tuesday, Aug 17, 10 @ 3:47 pm:
We should have created some sort of pool and sent Rich $5 bucks to participate. He could have kept 10% off the top.
- Who cares - Tuesday, Aug 17, 10 @ 3:48 pm:
Blago at the court house.
- OneMan - Tuesday, Aug 17, 10 @ 3:49 pm:
Patty, Rob and Rod are in da house.
- Vote Quimby! - Tuesday, Aug 17, 10 @ 3:49 pm:
RRB going thru security…
- Publius - Tuesday, Aug 17, 10 @ 3:49 pm:
Don’t give Rich any ideas for the next time one of our governors is in court
- Rich Miller - Tuesday, Aug 17, 10 @ 3:49 pm:
Thread closed. head here…https://capitolfax.com/2010/08/17/fox-chicago-verdict-may-be-read-at-415/