OK, so what’s your solution then? (Part 59,482)
Monday, Jun 4, 2012 - Posted by Rich Miller * I have some late breaking news for the Alton Telegraph editorial board: Most Metro East residents already drive across the river for their big cigarette purchases. The tax hike won’t make all that much of a difference…
If they’re not already crossing the bridge with an $8 a carton difference, then they’re just plain silly. There’s no way to compete with a 17 cents per pack cigarette tax without really hurting our own revenues and encouraging more smoking. And statewide policy should not be made to benefit one, smallish region. Yes, this cigarette tax hike will have an impact. But it will be relatively small - not the “nightmare scenario” envisioned by the Telegraph. That cig business has already been lost. I’ve been spending a lot of time in the Metro East lately (partly because there are some big upcoming races there and I’m attempting to further boost my knowledge of the region in advance). I’m happy to report that there appear to be thriving convenience stores everywhere, so they seem to be weathering the border competition pretty well so far. * And what would the Telegraph have done with Medicaid restructuring without that $700 million in revenue from the cigarette tax? Would they have cut funding even more for their local hospitals, which pay far higher salaries and create much better jobs than convenience stores? Or would they have kicked even more people off health care, which would’ve most certainly hurt their purchasing power and caused an even greater ripple effect on local businesses? It’s really easy to complain and predict the end of the world every time the General Assembly passes a bill. It’s a whole lot tougher to actually solve the very real problems of the day.
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- wordslinger - Monday, Jun 4, 12 @ 10:48 am:
I’m not so sure that the margins on cigarettes are all that profitable, unless you’re selling without the proper tax stamps.
It’s like gasoline; the margins for the stations aren’t great, but it brings you in to purchase high-margin products like pop and chips.
- MontgomeryCo - Monday, Jun 4, 12 @ 11:11 am:
Yeah, they really need to just jump across the Clark Bridge and stop off at the gas station right on the MO side. The last time I was there I counted 15 cars with IL plates and none with MO.
- Robert - Monday, Jun 4, 12 @ 11:45 am:
They also are assuming that Missou will keep its low cigarette tax forever, not necessarily a good assumption. Illinois’ big hike of cigarette taxes gives neighboring states the opportunity to raise their own cigarette taxes, and still be below Illinois. And cigarette taxes do tend to be popular.
Missouri is in fact considering raising their cigarette tax:
http://www.pitch.com/plog/archives/2012/05/24/missouris-cigarette-tax-may-not-be-the-lowest-in-the-nation-for-long-judge-upholds-cigarette-tax-hike-ballot-language
While Missourians have voted these down in the past, cigarette taxing is becoming more popular, so I wouldn’t bet against it.
- tomhail - Monday, Jun 4, 12 @ 12:12 pm:
Cigarettes will be gone in 10 years. Tax them now to speed up the process.
- Burning Down da House - Monday, Jun 4, 12 @ 12:23 pm:
People were staying closer to home for their cig purchases when the price of gas was through the roof. Now that its coming down they will cross the border for not just cigs…groceries, booze, etc. as long as they’re making the trip…you self-righteous do-gooders have put the bone to the border counties once again.
- benevolent hegemon - Monday, Jun 4, 12 @ 12:49 pm:
“And what would the Telegraph have done with Medicaid restructuring…”?
Um, I forgot—how many votes does the Telegraph have in the Illinois legislature?
- mokenavince - Monday, Jun 4, 12 @ 1:08 pm:
The border states will wake up and realize they
can still tax at 50 cents more and still attract
a crowd.Winners are those who quit smoking, and save their money.
- mokenavince - Monday, Jun 4, 12 @ 1:10 pm:
Plus when you quit it’s bound to improve your health.
- Hickory - Monday, Jun 4, 12 @ 2:13 pm:
The vehicle, from near Springfield, that has been making one trip a week to St. Louis will soon be making two trips per week.
- East Sider - Monday, Jun 4, 12 @ 2:25 pm:
Rich, which upcoming races in the Metro East are you watching?
- Colossus - Monday, Jun 4, 12 @ 2:37 pm:
@ Hickory - I cannot imagine that you are even breaking even on weekly trips to STL from outside SPI. Even at $18/carton savings, it would take what, 4 cartons to just break even on gas? That assumes a reasonably sized car, if it’s an SUV, you’re looking at 6-8 cartons, easy.
Sure, you fill up for cheaper there, but all in all, you’re not saving much money. You’re spending a whole lot of time driving to avoid paying some taxes. Or you’re making a run for all of your buddies and potentially breaking laws by illegally selling cigarettes.
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, there will be an initial dip in border sales that will last for a month, maybe two, and then sales will be back where they were before. It’s well and good to plan ahead and do trips like that, but smokers just aren’t going to skip picking up a pack when they’re out. Eventually, your carefully crafted schedule will get disturbed and old habits will set in and you’ll realize it’s been 3 months since you made a smoke run.
Come back in October with hard numbers showing the sales decline and I’ll be more than happy to eat my digital hat. You name the bet, I’ll be here.
- Six Degrees of Separation - Monday, Jun 4, 12 @ 2:46 pm:
Cigarettes will be gone in 10 years. Tax them now to speed up the process.
To be replaced with “funny cigarettes”, also to be taxed.
- Colossus - Monday, Jun 4, 12 @ 2:48 pm:
^ This.
We need to start talking about how we can both save money and increase revenue without negatively impacting public safety.
- Rich Miller - Monday, Jun 4, 12 @ 2:52 pm:
===which upcoming races in the Metro East are you watching? ===
At least three. You’ll have to subscribe to find out more, I’m afraid.
- Secret Square - Monday, Jun 4, 12 @ 3:16 pm:
“Or you’re making a run for all of your buddies and potentially breaking laws by illegally selling cigarettes.”
Almost sounds like the premise for a new Smokey and the Bandit flick…
- Rich Miller - Monday, Jun 4, 12 @ 3:23 pm:
===Um, I forgot—how many votes does the Telegraph have in the Illinois legislature? ===
So, they shouldn’t say what they’re for? They should only whine about stuff they don’t like and obviously don’t fully understand?
- Coyote Chris - Monday, Jun 4, 12 @ 3:23 pm:
I’ve lived in the Alton area most of my life and I smoked a lot of those years. People have been going across the bridge to get cigarettes for as long as I can remember. Also, The Telegraph has been throwing up it’s arms over issues like this for as long as I can remember. Some things just don’t change.