Says the candidate running on platform of controlling every aspect of his business. Except when things go south and ‘he knows nothing about it’.
- Give Me A Break - Tuesday, Aug 12, 14 @ 12:54 pm:
I heard a DHS administrator say, “we have over 12,000 employees, when I lay my head down at night I just pray none of them do anything overnight I have to explain to the press or lawmakers”.
Nothing is perfect.
Nothing is completely controlled.
No one is asking for that standard. What citizens want is a solvent state government that delivers to them a value without seeing their elected officials being arrested for crimes.
That is the low bar, Illinois has failed to clear since 1998.
Check out the ‘Our team’ link on the GTCR website. There aren’t that many of them, but there sure are a lot of white guys (including ConvergEx directors!).
- Yellow Dog Democrat - Tuesday, Aug 12, 14 @ 1:26 pm:
Vanillaman:
Voters don’t care is the state is “solvent.”
At least not for the most part.
Voters want more services without paying higher taxes. Also, around 2009 they decided they were done with borrowing.
Being involved in several businesses and having to work with (and battle) state government, there is a difference in my mind.
A state agency (and it’s agents) can make life extremely hard for a company. I’ve been through three state audits on three different firms in the past year - all different industries.
In total, three different state agencies found we miscalculated a total of less than $1,200 in reporting sales tax on one company. In total, these three firms do more than $80 million in business each year.
But, we spent incredible personal and financial resources to deal with these states agencies. Had our numbers been wrong - the consequences would have been severe.
For the state agency, though, if they are wrong - they simply get to walk away. No harm. No foul - for them anyway.
I’ve had to sue the State of Illinois five different times in the past four years. The company won each and every lawsuit. But it cost us a ton of money. For the state? Other than blowing tax dollars, it was no harm to them or the individual that made the mistake to begin with.
Nearly every decision I make has consequences. Many are serious and long lasting.
For state agencies - meh - not so much.
It’s dispiriting for those of us trying to create jobs.
- Western Ave. Doug -
Public service is a higher calling, and should have higher standards.
OK… so does that mean that it’s not a large organization?
Does it mean that there’s something magical about government organizations which allows someone (specifically the Governor) to control every element and every behavior?
Okay, sure… but if your only credential is as a “successful” businessman, and you pledge to “run state government like a business” what business are we talking about?
Government’s job is not to turn a profit. Vulture capitalism isn’t a governing strategy.
If Rauner isn’t culpable for any of these horrific things that happened “levels” below him, then what is he responsible for? And what’s his example of a business he’d run the government like?
To expand on YDD’s good points. Regarding “delivers to them a value,” the problem is that people define value as what is important to them. What a well-off resident of Winnetka defines as the value of government services is totally different from how minorities from low-income neighborhoods of Chicago define it.
Mr hands on had one job. Pick a qualified running mate. Fail===
And you have one job: Sit in front of a computer and pass judgment on whether someone can do a job or not based on your projection of how she’ll do, even though she hasn’t been in that job. Is that a “pass” in your book?
You have no idea how she’ll do. She’s been successful at each of the jobs she’s had, moved up quickly. Against some fairly formidable odds early on. I bet she even possesses some skills you don’t. As Willie points out to embarrass her, but it doesn’t:
She’s a concert pianist and very talented musician. She’s a law professor at an excellent law school. She’s a very well liked and well thought of City Council Member. She’s bilingual. She’s got a lot going for her. She’s far beyond what you would call a “fail”. You just don’t know better, but alas, you pass? Funny business this public service is.
That’s a convenient mindset to be able to cherry-pick which behaviors within an organization you want to be accountable for. I’m not convinced that’s gonna work as well should he make it to the Governor’s office.
So I guess Rauner won’t have a plaque on his desk that says “The Buck Stops Here”
- nothing to see here - Tuesday, Aug 12, 14 @ 2:01 pm:
a guy, I may never agree with you, but this is as close as I will come, Who is a better selection for lt gov, Shiela S. or Evelyn S.?, I will call it a draw, but its defintely hard to throw stones from Quinn’s glass house on that pick.
=== nothing to see here - Tuesday, Aug 12, 14 @ 2:01 pm:
a guy, I may never agree with you, but this is as close as I will come, ===
Close enough. We may see things from different angles, but considering one another’s should make us feel stronger about our own. Or we can change it. Nice comment, thanks.
Maybe Mr Rauner can’t control everything, but he can put a stop to it when or if he finds something that he doesn’t like or something that draws too much criticism. That is, if he wants to.
===She’s a concert pianist and very talented musician. She’s a law professor at an excellent law school. She’s a very well liked and well thought of City Council Member. She’s bilingual. She’s got a lot going for her. She’s far beyond what you would call a “fail”. You just don’t know better, but alas, you pass? Funny business this public service is.===
You told us yesterday Slip and Sue isn’t qualified to lead the 5th largest state…
…yesterday!
If you want, I’ll point it out as you defend her.
The first major personnel decision was a fail. Running a $35 billion dollar state is full of appointments. Are they all going to be unqualified too, and hope they work out?
“Behavior inside large organizations unfortunately is not always perfect”
Yet, Rauner claims success in everything he’s done. I can see him four years from now if elected. He’ll make the same claims of success while pretending anything that goes wrong or he’s not successful at was out of his control.
Frankly Wilbur, I don’t think anyone’s ready to become Governor before they do it. Same with President. If predicting was so easy, we’d have all great ones. Most people would agree the nation has had 6-8 truly great Presidents. Many more qualify as below average. We’re all taking a guess, hopefully, more than not, an educated guess. Evelyn is “ready” to become Lt. Governor. Period. You use the exception of Pat Quinn to prove the rule of “what could happen”. It’s highly unlikely that a LG becomes Gov here, but absolutely possible.
To use your warped logic: you’re more concerned about the person who will most likely “not” govern than the one that most certainly will. Good luck with that. Please mention Jil Tracy again today. She’s utterly under appreciated by all Illinoisans!
Use the search key, but let’s just say Personal Injury lawsuits that cost municipalities cash to “teach” them isn’t Tort Reform.
=== I don’t think anyone’s ready to become Governor before they do it.===
We just had a whole Primary about who us ready from day one, including Rauner. Are you saying Rauner isn’t qualified?
===Evelyn is “ready” to become Lt. Governor. Period.===
- A guy… - Monday, Aug 11, 14 @ 4:35 pm
You wrote…
===Most LGs need to grow into the job. Despite your constant harping, I don’t remember anyone making the choice solely based on “they’re ready to take over when I die from eating bad cherries and cream at the inauguration”.===
I asked and if you agreed if she wasn’t qualified…
You said…
=== - A guy… - Monday, Aug 11, 14 @ 4:56 pm
Yep. All that.===
You know Slip and Sue is not qualified.
===You use the exception of Pat Quinn to prove the rule of “what could happen”. It’s highly unlikely that a LG becomes Gov here, but absolutely possible.===
lol, so I am right, but it ruins your argument, so I’m not right, even thought Quinn, the sitting governor, is the example.
Slip and Sue is getting the same knocks as Jason Plummer. This isn’t “new”, and Slip and Sue applying for a job in the Quinn Administration, mocking Springfield is icing on the cake.
Not qualified. Liability on the trail, at the podium, and anywhere she can sue the state.
Yeah, excellent point Rich - and a company doesn’t even have to deal with the whole pesky Democracy thing. Bruce, have you really thought this whole thing through???
- Western Ave. Doug - Tuesday, Aug 12, 14 @ 12:48 pm:
Public service is a higher calling, and should have higher standards.
- How Ironic - Tuesday, Aug 12, 14 @ 12:48 pm:
Says the candidate running on platform of controlling every aspect of his business. Except when things go south and ‘he knows nothing about it’.
- Give Me A Break - Tuesday, Aug 12, 14 @ 12:54 pm:
I heard a DHS administrator say, “we have over 12,000 employees, when I lay my head down at night I just pray none of them do anything overnight I have to explain to the press or lawmakers”.
- PolPal56 - Tuesday, Aug 12, 14 @ 12:56 pm:
I believe that when it comes to Quinn, Rauner would say “No.”
However, if he should win in November, he will say “Yes.”
‘Cause he has a philosophy that things should only apply to other people. (Right, Willie?)
- VanillaMan - Tuesday, Aug 12, 14 @ 12:59 pm:
Nothing is perfect.
Nothing is completely controlled.
No one is asking for that standard. What citizens want is a solvent state government that delivers to them a value without seeing their elected officials being arrested for crimes.
That is the low bar, Illinois has failed to clear since 1998.
- Langhorne - Tuesday, Aug 12, 14 @ 1:04 pm:
Mr hands on had one job. Pick a qualified running mate. Fail
- corvax - Tuesday, Aug 12, 14 @ 1:14 pm:
Check out the ‘Our team’ link on the GTCR website. There aren’t that many of them, but there sure are a lot of white guys (including ConvergEx directors!).
- Yellow Dog Democrat - Tuesday, Aug 12, 14 @ 1:26 pm:
Vanillaman:
Voters don’t care is the state is “solvent.”
At least not for the most part.
Voters want more services without paying higher taxes. Also, around 2009 they decided they were done with borrowing.
- Downstate - Tuesday, Aug 12, 14 @ 1:31 pm:
Being involved in several businesses and having to work with (and battle) state government, there is a difference in my mind.
A state agency (and it’s agents) can make life extremely hard for a company. I’ve been through three state audits on three different firms in the past year - all different industries.
In total, three different state agencies found we miscalculated a total of less than $1,200 in reporting sales tax on one company. In total, these three firms do more than $80 million in business each year.
But, we spent incredible personal and financial resources to deal with these states agencies. Had our numbers been wrong - the consequences would have been severe.
For the state agency, though, if they are wrong - they simply get to walk away. No harm. No foul - for them anyway.
I’ve had to sue the State of Illinois five different times in the past four years. The company won each and every lawsuit. But it cost us a ton of money. For the state? Other than blowing tax dollars, it was no harm to them or the individual that made the mistake to begin with.
Nearly every decision I make has consequences. Many are serious and long lasting.
For state agencies - meh - not so much.
It’s dispiriting for those of us trying to create jobs.
- Snucka - Tuesday, Aug 12, 14 @ 1:34 pm:
- Western Ave. Doug -
Public service is a higher calling, and should have higher standards.
OK… so does that mean that it’s not a large organization?
Does it mean that there’s something magical about government organizations which allows someone (specifically the Governor) to control every element and every behavior?
- Makandadawg - Tuesday, Aug 12, 14 @ 1:40 pm:
- Western Ave. Doug - Public service is a higher calling, and should have higher standards.
And hire pay and benefits?
- Makandadawg - Tuesday, Aug 12, 14 @ 1:41 pm:
woops, I mean higher
- ChinaTown - Tuesday, Aug 12, 14 @ 1:41 pm:
Okay, sure… but if your only credential is as a “successful” businessman, and you pledge to “run state government like a business” what business are we talking about?
Government’s job is not to turn a profit. Vulture capitalism isn’t a governing strategy.
If Rauner isn’t culpable for any of these horrific things that happened “levels” below him, then what is he responsible for? And what’s his example of a business he’d run the government like?
- Norseman - Tuesday, Aug 12, 14 @ 1:43 pm:
To expand on YDD’s good points. Regarding “delivers to them a value,” the problem is that people define value as what is important to them. What a well-off resident of Winnetka defines as the value of government services is totally different from how minorities from low-income neighborhoods of Chicago define it.
- A guy... - Tuesday, Aug 12, 14 @ 1:54 pm:
===Langhorne - Tuesday, Aug 12, 14 @ 1:04 pm:
Mr hands on had one job. Pick a qualified running mate. Fail===
And you have one job: Sit in front of a computer and pass judgment on whether someone can do a job or not based on your projection of how she’ll do, even though she hasn’t been in that job. Is that a “pass” in your book?
You have no idea how she’ll do. She’s been successful at each of the jobs she’s had, moved up quickly. Against some fairly formidable odds early on. I bet she even possesses some skills you don’t. As Willie points out to embarrass her, but it doesn’t:
She’s a concert pianist and very talented musician. She’s a law professor at an excellent law school. She’s a very well liked and well thought of City Council Member. She’s bilingual. She’s got a lot going for her. She’s far beyond what you would call a “fail”. You just don’t know better, but alas, you pass? Funny business this public service is.
- Budget Watcher - Tuesday, Aug 12, 14 @ 1:55 pm:
That’s a convenient mindset to be able to cherry-pick which behaviors within an organization you want to be accountable for. I’m not convinced that’s gonna work as well should he make it to the Governor’s office.
- Demoralized - Tuesday, Aug 12, 14 @ 1:59 pm:
So I guess Rauner won’t have a plaque on his desk that says “The Buck Stops Here”
- nothing to see here - Tuesday, Aug 12, 14 @ 2:01 pm:
a guy, I may never agree with you, but this is as close as I will come, Who is a better selection for lt gov, Shiela S. or Evelyn S.?, I will call it a draw, but its defintely hard to throw stones from Quinn’s glass house on that pick.
- PoolGuy - Tuesday, Aug 12, 14 @ 2:22 pm:
is this Bruce’s version of a “get out of jail, free” card if he is elected Governor?
- A guy... - Tuesday, Aug 12, 14 @ 2:30 pm:
=== nothing to see here - Tuesday, Aug 12, 14 @ 2:01 pm:
a guy, I may never agree with you, but this is as close as I will come, ===
Close enough. We may see things from different angles, but considering one another’s should make us feel stronger about our own. Or we can change it. Nice comment, thanks.
- Ginhouse Tommy - Tuesday, Aug 12, 14 @ 2:37 pm:
Maybe Mr Rauner can’t control everything, but he can put a stop to it when or if he finds something that he doesn’t like or something that draws too much criticism. That is, if he wants to.
- Oswego Willy - Tuesday, Aug 12, 14 @ 2:59 pm:
===She’s a concert pianist and very talented musician. She’s a law professor at an excellent law school. She’s a very well liked and well thought of City Council Member. She’s bilingual. She’s got a lot going for her. She’s far beyond what you would call a “fail”. You just don’t know better, but alas, you pass? Funny business this public service is.===
You told us yesterday Slip and Sue isn’t qualified to lead the 5th largest state…
…yesterday!
If you want, I’ll point it out as you defend her.
The first major personnel decision was a fail. Running a $35 billion dollar state is full of appointments. Are they all going to be unqualified too, and hope they work out?
- Wensicia - Tuesday, Aug 12, 14 @ 3:12 pm:
“Behavior inside large organizations unfortunately is not always perfect”
Yet, Rauner claims success in everything he’s done. I can see him four years from now if elected. He’ll make the same claims of success while pretending anything that goes wrong or he’s not successful at was out of his control.
- foster brooks - Tuesday, Aug 12, 14 @ 4:02 pm:
A guy how did she get the “slip n sue” moniker? Lol
- A guy... - Tuesday, Aug 12, 14 @ 4:14 pm:
Stay tuned Foster, Willy will tell you.
Frankly Wilbur, I don’t think anyone’s ready to become Governor before they do it. Same with President. If predicting was so easy, we’d have all great ones. Most people would agree the nation has had 6-8 truly great Presidents. Many more qualify as below average. We’re all taking a guess, hopefully, more than not, an educated guess. Evelyn is “ready” to become Lt. Governor. Period. You use the exception of Pat Quinn to prove the rule of “what could happen”. It’s highly unlikely that a LG becomes Gov here, but absolutely possible.
To use your warped logic: you’re more concerned about the person who will most likely “not” govern than the one that most certainly will. Good luck with that. Please mention Jil Tracy again today. She’s utterly under appreciated by all Illinoisans!
Oy Man.
- Oswego Willy - Tuesday, Aug 12, 14 @ 4:34 pm:
- foster brooks -,
Use the search key, but let’s just say Personal Injury lawsuits that cost municipalities cash to “teach” them isn’t Tort Reform.
=== I don’t think anyone’s ready to become Governor before they do it.===
We just had a whole Primary about who us ready from day one, including Rauner. Are you saying Rauner isn’t qualified?
===Evelyn is “ready” to become Lt. Governor. Period.===
- A guy… - Monday, Aug 11, 14 @ 4:35 pm
You wrote…
===Most LGs need to grow into the job. Despite your constant harping, I don’t remember anyone making the choice solely based on “they’re ready to take over when I die from eating bad cherries and cream at the inauguration”.===
I asked and if you agreed if she wasn’t qualified…
You said…
=== - A guy… - Monday, Aug 11, 14 @ 4:56 pm
Yep. All that.===
You know Slip and Sue is not qualified.
===You use the exception of Pat Quinn to prove the rule of “what could happen”. It’s highly unlikely that a LG becomes Gov here, but absolutely possible.===
lol, so I am right, but it ruins your argument, so I’m not right, even thought Quinn, the sitting governor, is the example.
Slip and Sue is getting the same knocks as Jason Plummer. This isn’t “new”, and Slip and Sue applying for a job in the Quinn Administration, mocking Springfield is icing on the cake.
Not qualified. Liability on the trail, at the podium, and anywhere she can sue the state.
- wordslinger - Tuesday, Aug 12, 14 @ 4:39 pm:
The thing is, when things go south, Rauner’s stock response is he’s not responsible because he didn’t know what was going on.
That doesn’t cut it, whether you’re hands-on businessman Rauner, Gov. Quinn or Pres. Obama. You’re in the big chair, it’s on you.
- Oh, please.... - Tuesday, Aug 12, 14 @ 5:30 pm:
Yeah, excellent point Rich - and a company doesn’t even have to deal with the whole pesky Democracy thing. Bruce, have you really thought this whole thing through???