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*** UPDATED x4 - Not so fast *** Where there’s a will there’s a way
Friday, May 29, 2015 - Posted by Rich Miller * I told subscribers this morning that there’s been some interesting little behind the scenes movement over the past 48 hours or so. Keep your fingers crossed…
* And…
*** UPDATE 1 *** I wasn’t at the media availability, so I asked Cullerton’s press secretary to explain…
*** UPDATE 2 *** The event will hopefully be live-streamed by BlueRoomStream.com. Click here. *** UPDATE 3 *** The two GOP leaders said they didn’t think there would be a negotiated budget by Sunday, but they did hold out hope that some progress can be made on the non-budgetary front. Listen to the whole thing… *** UPDATE 4 *** I really thought I could see a glimmer of hope in the governor’s remarks, despite the bluster. But Speaker Madigan’s spokesman Steve Brown told me he didn’t see anything in there to indicate that the impasse could be broken. He also said that the leader’s meeting featured the governor repeating his usual talking points. Brown added that when Rauner was told that his own budget proposal was $3 billion out of balance he acted surprised. “It was totally news to him,” Brown said. “I conclude that the bubble is perhaps more complete than we thought.” Sigh.
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- walker - Friday, May 29, 15 @ 12:55 pm:
Seen 48 hour compromise budgets before.
Pull those oars ye mateys! The great white beast is in sight!
Don’t lose hope!
- Norseman - Friday, May 29, 15 @ 12:56 pm:
=== Media Advisory
What: Governor Rauner Holds Media Briefing
Where: Illinois Executive Mansion
410 E. Jackson St., Chicago
Date: Friday, May 29, 2015
Time: 1:30 p.m. ===
Darn, I missed where they moved the mansion up north.
- relocated - Friday, May 29, 15 @ 12:58 pm:
So thats what the Governor meant when he pledged to live in the mansion.
- Oswego Willy - Friday, May 29, 15 @ 1:00 pm:
“Hi ‘ck’-
Addresses matter.
Thanks!
ow”
- Nony - Friday, May 29, 15 @ 1:02 pm:
People chill, the media advisory was mislabeled. Even if it wasn’t do you really not like him that much that you are you seriously calling Rauner out on being in Chicago? Do you have selective or short term memory?
Rich- are you keeping the blog open this weekend?
- NIU Grad - Friday, May 29, 15 @ 1:02 pm:
Any potential for live feed?
- Someone you should know - Friday, May 29, 15 @ 1:03 pm:
410 E. Jackson…….
They Moved it to Jackson and McClurg, nice lakefront property, or would that actually be in the lake
- Oswego Willy - Friday, May 29, 15 @ 1:04 pm:
I just think its funny. Nothing more.
- Norseman - Friday, May 29, 15 @ 1:04 pm:
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Rauner hasn’t addressed media in two weeks, btw.
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The Senate has returned…but is now going to GOP Caucus. We are now at the call of the chair.
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The Senate is in recess.
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=== Tina Sfondeles
@TinaSfon
Gov. Rauner just faked Chicago media out. Listed a 1:30 presser in Chicago. Alas, it’s in Springfield. ===
Now that’s transparency!
- Norseman - Friday, May 29, 15 @ 1:06 pm:
Nony, please turn your snark detector on. Thank you.
- Just Me - Friday, May 29, 15 @ 1:08 pm:
Media advisory says Chicago, not Springfield. Oops.
- Mason born - Friday, May 29, 15 @ 1:14 pm:
There goes the ASFCME no strike bill. It makes a nice juicy bargaining chip.
- Arsenal - Friday, May 29, 15 @ 1:18 pm:
Cullerton’s statement doesn’t read so much like “The Turnaround Agenda could still pass” as “What we’ve killed is dead, but we’re willing to consider something else.”
- Formerly Known As... - Friday, May 29, 15 @ 1:23 pm:
You go first.
No, you go first.
What is this, pre-K?
- Let'sMovetoTexas - Friday, May 29, 15 @ 1:23 pm:
All Madigan and Cullerton seem to care about are press pops, macho one- upmanship, and campaign sound bites. Illinois will never recovr until Madigan retires.
- Arsenal - Friday, May 29, 15 @ 1:27 pm:
==All Madigan and Cullerton seem to care about are press pops, macho one- upmanship, and campaign sound bites.==
You could say the exact same thing about the Governor, based on his current actions. He’s certainly not been in “find a deal” mode. He’s been in “assign blame for no deal” mode.
- A guy - Friday, May 29, 15 @ 1:28 pm:
Perhaps it’s time to heed Senator Harmon’s advice to keep mouths closed and ears open for a little bit and see what happens here.
As much as it might kill some of you, it could be positive news. Hark!
- walker - Friday, May 29, 15 @ 1:30 pm:
Hopes for a budget dashed again!
- Jack Stephens - Friday, May 29, 15 @ 1:37 pm:
@texas:
The entire government of THIS country was founded on the very basic notion of compromise. Everybody won AND everybody. Bruce needs to learn this. Governing is a little different than managing a pizza parlor….in his old job
- Oswego Willy - Friday, May 29, 15 @ 1:37 pm:
- A Guy -, I just thought the irony of the address thing - Chicago, RTW Resoultion towns… I highs kick out of it.
I haven’t speculated, and I am waitibg to hear… whatever it is I’m gonna hear.
- Jack Stephens - Friday, May 29, 15 @ 1:39 pm:
…….*everybody lost.
- Formerly Known As... - Friday, May 29, 15 @ 1:39 pm:
This 48 hours will tell us much about what to expect the next 3 years.
Either Cullerton, Madigan and Rauner have accepted they are all capable of holding out and will find a way to collaborate, or they will waste the next 48 hours continually seeking a way of ==winning== at the expense of the other party.
There is also the possibility of a last-minute deal that turns out to be a ==miscommunication==. Sort of like the 2015 budget cuts agreement before the Good Friday cuts. Rauner, Madigan and Cullerton have all proven at times they can be too smart for their own good.
- Anonymous - Friday, May 29, 15 @ 1:42 pm:
==The entire government of THIS country was founded on the very basic notion of compromise==
Yeah that whole 3/5 compromise worked out well didn’t it? Sometimes, compromise simply for the sake of getting a deal done is a bad thing.
- Century Club - Friday, May 29, 15 @ 1:44 pm:
“I am unwilling to negotiate in the media, but I will tell you that property taxes and workers comp are the two biggest problems affecting our state.”
Got it. Thanks.
- Frenchie Mendoza - Friday, May 29, 15 @ 1:49 pm:
‘Compromise’ and ‘Reform’ — the Rauner drinking game.
- Juvenal - Friday, May 29, 15 @ 1:51 pm:
Well, that was a waste of time.
- Casual Observer - Friday, May 29, 15 @ 1:51 pm:
I watched the speech while eating a baloney sandwich…awkward.
- A guy - Friday, May 29, 15 @ 1:53 pm:
Well, it was interesting. Now let’s see where it goes. I may be too much of an optimist, but I see a flicker here. This could be the result of something, a prelude to something or a condition of something.
What we do know is: The next 48 hours are supposed to mean something. Fingers crossed it’s true.
- Pelonski - Friday, May 29, 15 @ 1:54 pm:
That sounded more like a “setting the other side up as the bad guy” speech than a talk about real compromise occurring.
- A guy - Friday, May 29, 15 @ 1:54 pm:
Juv, think before you type. I’ve read plenty of your posts. It’s really a tough task to waste your time.
- Get a Job! - Friday, May 29, 15 @ 1:58 pm:
Sure sounds like Madigan/Cullerton have offered to show some good will with some turnaround items, in exchange for a tax increase.
- Joe Blow - Friday, May 29, 15 @ 2:01 pm:
It’s not gonna happen
- Juvenal - Friday, May 29, 15 @ 2:04 pm:
A guy -
Not a waste of time for me, for all of the reporters trying to get straight answers from the governor.
=== I’ve read plenty of your posts ===
I’ve read three of yours, which is another way of saying I have read them all.
thanx and keep in touch,
- Juvenal - Friday, May 29, 15 @ 2:14 pm:
=== when Rauner was told that his own budget proposal was $3 billion out of balance he acted surprised. “It was totally news to him,” Brown said. “I conclude that the bubble is perhaps more complete than we thought.” ===
It is time for Bruce Rauner to start reading newspapers.
- Oswego Willy - Friday, May 29, 15 @ 2:15 pm:
===Brown added that when Rauner was told that his own budget proposal was $3 billion out of balance he acted surprised. “It was totally news to him,” Brown said. “I conclude that the bubble is perhaps more complete than we thought.”===
Yikes.
Self-awareness is not overrated.
If you can’t tell your boss the truth, or if your boss can’t see the truth, “what exactly do you do here?” should be asked of all the Superstars…
- Frenchie Mendoza - Friday, May 29, 15 @ 2:17 pm:
What’s up — seriously — with Rauner? He’s surprised his budget is out of whack?
Come on.
- A guy - Friday, May 29, 15 @ 2:19 pm:
=== “It was totally news to him,” Brown said. “I conclude that the bubble is perhaps more complete than we thought.”====
Defies belief. Someone’s gettin’ played somehow somewhere.
Doesn’t add up.
- Ducky LaMoore - Friday, May 29, 15 @ 2:21 pm:
Do you think that one of the gov’s inner circle people could just tell him that they passed his turnaround agenda? He’d believe it wouldn’t he? Does the old Reagan axiom “Trust but Verify” exist here? Just hand him a sheet of paper that says “Turnaround Agenda” and have him sign it.
- Anonin' - Friday, May 29, 15 @ 2:24 pm:
We loved the answers to direct questions
“I am not goin’ to negotiate in public.” Lame but loveable
“Where is B-E-T-H “Casper” P-U-R-V-I-S and why is she a ghost payroller?”
- 47th Ward - Friday, May 29, 15 @ 2:25 pm:
===Brown added that when Rauner was told that his own budget proposal was $3 billion out of balance he acted surprised. “It was totally news to him,” Brown said. “I conclude that the bubble is perhaps more complete than we thought.”===
Team Rauner would be wise to respond to this immediately.
- Soccermom - Friday, May 29, 15 @ 2:25 pm:
Steve Brown remains at the top of his game. Respect.
- walker - Friday, May 29, 15 @ 2:28 pm:
Juvenal: My read is that the newspapers didn’t see the $3B gap in Rauner’s budget clearly either, until just this past week. Then they blamed it on the ISC decision, and called it maybe a risk.
Months after it was identified and commented about here.
Rauner’s surprise that some of what he assumed to save in his budget proposal, was simply impossible for fiscal 2016 under any scenario, is indeed disheartening.
Has he been that separated from the details of his budget?
- Wensicia - Friday, May 29, 15 @ 2:28 pm:
==when Rauner was told that his own budget proposal was $3 billion out of balance he acted surprised. “It was totally news to him,”==
Scary.
- This would be funny if it wasn't so sad... - Friday, May 29, 15 @ 2:29 pm:
nd this might be why Rauner hasn’t been seen with the media for live interviews since…Brown added that when Rauner was told that his own budget proposal was $3 billion out of balance he acted surprised. “It was totally news to him,” Brown said.
Yikes!!!
- Oswego Willy - Friday, May 29, 15 @ 2:36 pm:
Brown releasing that statement also does something to the vaunted Press Shop;
Do you respond saying Rauner does know his budget is indeed phony, or do you respond with an all assult that Rauner believes his phony budget isn’t out of whack.
Not a good sign when those are the choices.
BTW, “witnesses”, the governor isn’t a fan of those people(?)
- Juvenal - Friday, May 29, 15 @ 2:39 pm:
Walker:
http://chicago.suntimes.com/chicago-politics/7/71/426654/senate-president-slams-rauner-proposed-state-budget
Sun-Times: Senate president slams Rauner’s proposed state budget
Posted: 03/09/2015
Illinois Senate President John Cullerton on Monday ripped Gov. Bruce Rauner’s proposed state budget as “unworkable” and “unconscionable,” saying despite Rauner’s public assurances, Democrats see a proposal far from balanced, with a gaping $2.2 billion hole.
That budget gap, Cullerton said in a speech to the City Club of Chicago, is created by assumed pension savings that Rauner is counting on and already spending, despite the fact that pension-reform legislation is currently bogged down in litigation. The Illinois Supreme Court is scheduled to hear an ongoing lawsuit this week.
The press bloody well knew there was a problem from jump street.
- zonz - Friday, May 29, 15 @ 2:39 pm:
yep, same problem different day
I have been repeating this
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- zonz - Thursday, May 21, 15 @ 12:34 pm:
I have two words about the BRU-CREW:
“epistemic closure”
aka the closed information loop.
see, e.g.,
Oct. 2013 - How Tea Party Spin May Set Up the Next Shut Down http://billmoyers.com/2013/10/18/the-rights-closed-information-loop-may-set-up-the-next-shut-down/
Jan. 2011 - THE DANGERS OF EPISTEMIC CLOSURE www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2011_01/027553.php
Apr. 2010 - The Great Epistemic Closure Debate www.newrepublic.com/blog/jonathan-chait/the-great-epistemic-closure-debate
- Juvenal - Friday, May 29, 15 @ 2:40 pm:
OW: Bingo.
- walker - Friday, May 29, 15 @ 2:45 pm:
Juvenal: I give, You are correct.
- Formerly Known As... - Friday, May 29, 15 @ 2:46 pm:
==Brown said==
As if the manner in which Mr. Brown describes the Governor’s reaction to anything is without bias.
I share Rich’s ==sigh==. They don’t sound much closer, and it is disappointing. But let’s not accept Mr Brown’s characterization of Mr Rauner, in a comment Mr Brown apparently ==added== without solicitation, as canon in the meantime.
- Oswego Willy - Friday, May 29, 15 @ 2:51 pm:
- FKA -,
Brown might be saying what he said to get a response.
Rauner knows it’s phony like everyone else, which means Rauner is no “better” than those he’s railing on, or Rauner honestly doesn’t think its phony at all and leaves us all scratching our collective heads.
Brown is good at what he does. Another example.
It’s not a throwaway line, an unsolicited biting dig, it’s out there now, and now let’s see the response. Lance? ‘ck’?
- Skeptic - Friday, May 29, 15 @ 2:53 pm:
“Well, that was a waste of time.” See? There *is* waste, fraud and abuse.
- Downstate - Friday, May 29, 15 @ 2:56 pm:
Why would Cullerton and Madigan let this past May 31st? They will then need a super-majority, correct?
I don’t understand the delay on their part.
Pass the budget they want and let the chips fall where they may. What are they afraid of?
- Norseman - Friday, May 29, 15 @ 2:57 pm:
=== All Madigan and Cullerton seem to care about are press pops, macho one- upmanship, and campaign sound bites. Illinois will never recovr until Madigan retires. ===
Now that is so funny.
- Precinct Captain - Friday, May 29, 15 @ 2:58 pm:
==- 47th Ward - Friday, May 29, 15 @ 2:25 pm:==
Just got an email from Lance Trover:
“Math is a corrupt special interest of union Madigan Democrat tax hikers.”
- Formerly Known As... - Friday, May 29, 15 @ 2:59 pm:
==Do you respond saying Rauner does know his budget is indeed phony, or do you respond with an all assult that Rauner believes his phony budget isn’t out of whack.==
In the pre-Rauner days, those would have been the choices. But Rauner and Madigan are willing to play by the same rules.
When someone you are negotiating with has their spokesman take a personally disrespectful shot at you, you don’t play defense. You shoot back with equal disrespect, mockery and scorn. They may now wind up further apart than when this day started.
- Precinct Captain - Friday, May 29, 15 @ 2:59 pm:
==- Formerly Known As… - Friday, May 29, 15 @ 2:46 pm:==
What do you say about the messages and releases from Schrimpf, Kelly, and Trover?
- Oswego Willy - Friday, May 29, 15 @ 3:00 pm:
“No admitting our budget is as fake as anyone else’s until the Turnaround Agenda is passed”
- Wensicia - Friday, May 29, 15 @ 3:03 pm:
Please, don’t anybody tell the Tribune editorial board Rauner’s budget is $3 billion out of balance. We don’t want to surprise them too!
- Formerly Known As... - Friday, May 29, 15 @ 3:04 pm:
OW - posted before seeing your 2:51. I think we both see this as an intentional line by Brown, and a well-delivered one at that. Accurate depiction of Rauner’s reaction or not, it was no accident, that’s for sure.
The question now, as you point out, is how does Rauner respond? I don’t think he’ll let anyone box him into the options Brown’s comment leaves him. I think he goes right back at Madigan. And thus, the cycle begins.
- cdog - Friday, May 29, 15 @ 3:04 pm:
“Never attempt to win by force what can be won by deception.”
- walker - Friday, May 29, 15 @ 3:05 pm:
Just stop all the jibber-jabbering and put your backs into it.
More than one harpoon will have to stick. A golden horseshoe to the first that makes her fast.
We only have 57 more hours and a broken clock to kill the beast.
- Norseman - Friday, May 29, 15 @ 3:06 pm:
*** === when Rauner was told that his own budget proposal was $3 billion out of balance he acted surprised. “It was totally news to him,” Brown said. “I conclude that the bubble is perhaps more complete than we thought.” ===
It is time for Bruce Rauner to start reading newspapers. ***
If staff hasn’t put it in the script, it’s news to him.
- Oswego Willy - Friday, May 29, 15 @ 3:14 pm:
- FKA -,
We are, no doubt.
The location, the Mansion, was also symbolic, at least to me;
“The Dems have the Dome, but I got the Mansion. You want to talk over the summer, I’ll be here, at my house.”
I get it.
Thinking it’s only a “Rose Garden” pop misses the symbolism.
I give props for it, I caught it. Well done.
- A guy - Friday, May 29, 15 @ 3:14 pm:
It’s a barb, fellas, a planned out, reasonably well-delivered one i.e. My King is not happy. It’s got y’all juiced up though. So, there’s at least that.
- Oswego Willy - Friday, May 29, 15 @ 3:16 pm:
Oh - A Guy -…
What do you think; Rauner knows his budget is a phony, or so out of touch Rauner can’t believe what others are pointing out?
- Been There - Friday, May 29, 15 @ 3:25 pm:
====Pass the budget they want and let the chips fall where they may. What are they afraid of?====
They just got done passing the budget bills. Then filed motions to reconsider so they can hold them as long as they want.
- Precinct Captain - Friday, May 29, 15 @ 3:27 pm:
==- A guy - Friday, May 29, 15 @ 2:19 pm:==
What doesn’t add up? That Bruce Rauner is not the Lord Jesus brought back to this Earth, all knowing, all being, all doing? That maybe Bruce Rauner isn’t the smartest guy in Illinois? That maybe Bruce Rauner makes mistakes? That maybe Bruce Rauner–gasp–is uninformed and naive? That all adds up and makes sense to me.
- Wordslinger - Friday, May 29, 15 @ 3:34 pm:
I can’t believe the guv doesn’t know his proposed budget is out of whack. Hope that’s not the case, because that would indicate a problem larger than differences of opinion.
- Mama - Friday, May 29, 15 @ 3:38 pm:
I am not surprised he does not know his budget is short. He is paying his “superstars” big bucks to do his work.
- Formerly Known As... - Friday, May 29, 15 @ 4:20 pm:
Precinct Captain 2:59 - The same. They are all biased. Consume an XL grain of salt with all of their statements.
I’m just not certain any of the 3 among Rauner, Cullerton and Madigan have previously taken a shot that personally ridicules one of the others.
Some of Rauner’s comments about the ILGA and term limits could be argued as swipes at Madigan, and there may have been others, but I can not think of a time one of the three directly made fun of another one or tried to make them sound clueless and incompetent.
- Tournaround Agenda - Friday, May 29, 15 @ 4:22 pm:
So the governor’s office is spinning this as Madigan walking away from compromise, and ignoring Brown’s barb about the Governor not noticing the huge hole in his own budget…
“Within hours of a meeting between Governor Rauner and the four legislative leaders, Speaker Madigan’s office indicated that the Speaker is the only person unwilling to compromise.
From Capitol Fax:
*** UPDATE 4 *** I really thought I could see a glimmer of hope in the governor’s remarks, despite the bluster.
But Speaker Madigan’s spokesman Steve Brown told me he didn’t see anything in there to indicate that the impasse could be broken.
Governor Rauner, President Cullerton, Leader Radogno and Leader Durkin all indicated in media availabilities after the meeting that they were willing to negotiate a Turnaround package for Illinois.”
- Formerly Known As... - Friday, May 29, 15 @ 4:36 pm:
Oswego Willy 3:14 - well said. Watching how they communicate is often as important as what the message says.
Wordslinger 3:34 - hoping the same. If that is the case, we are in it up to our waist with no end in sight.
- A guy - Friday, May 29, 15 @ 4:37 pm:
Brown let the only people in the world who give a hoot know that the Speaker was not pleased with an onslaught of pressers from Trover. A little like “aircraft defensive measures”.
People used to talk about Reagan being aloof all the time. Message sent and received. You hurt the dude’s feelings and he doesn’t care for it.
Done. You got til Sunday night. Brown got a cracker for his efforts on this one.
- Oswego Willy - Friday, May 29, 15 @ 5:20 pm:
===- Oswego Willy -
What do you think; Rauner knows his budget is a phony, or so out of touch Rauner can’t believe what others are pointing out. ===
Questions stands. Thoughts?
- Oswego Willy - Friday, May 29, 15 @ 5:21 pm:
To - A Guy -, the question stands..,
- Austin Blvd - Friday, May 29, 15 @ 7:29 pm:
Rauner Will not compromise.
He SCREAMED deceptions through the primary. He SCREAMED deceptions through the general. He has SCREAMED this spring about the need for a TUrnaround Agenda before a budget is past. He will SCREAM next week and all summer. And he will SCREAM for the remainder of his term about the Democrats.
Why? Because he had all the money he needs to SCREAM.
HE IS, indeed, Governor SCREAMER.
- RNUG - Friday, May 29, 15 @ 8:29 pm:
== Rauner knows it’s phony like everyone else … ==
Does he? Remember, Rauner is a salesman; he has other people to worry about those small details and, if they told him, he never heard because he was thinking about how his sales job was going to play in Peoria (and nationally).
- Norseman - Friday, May 29, 15 @ 10:39 pm:
Looked good on IL Lawmakers. Egads Rich, you think the Gov could oppose move to have court ordered pay for state employees. Can’t argue with your logic, however, it would hurt a lot of good people.
- zonz - Saturday, May 30, 15 @ 12:16 am:
The full Mike Madigan interview -
10 minutes long
Charles Thomas sat down for an exclusive interview with House Speaker Michael Madigan.
Thursday, May 28, 2015 06:15PM
http://abc7chicago.com/politics/video-full-interview-with-michael-madigan/746755/
- zonz - Saturday, May 30, 15 @ 1:09 am:
Rauner’s a flip-flop genius
….May 21 Rauner sez if legislators don’t adopt his reforms they should expect a very long extra session….
May 21: Rauner’s State Journal-Register op-ed:
If legislators are willing to reform how we do business, they will find me an eager partner. If they are not, then they should expect a very long extra session…
http://www.sj-r.com/article/20150520/OPINION/150529908/2011/OPINION#OPINION/?Start=1&_suid=1432215215351047599047116867854
….May 29 Rauner sez no special session….
May 29: Rauner press conference
Rauner won’t call special session
Posted on May 29, 2015 By Dave Dahl/Illinois Radio Network
SPRINGFIELD – “I will not call a special session.” – Gov. Bruce Rauner.
http://www.wjbc.com/2015/05/29/rauner-wont-sign-unbalanced-budget-call-special-session/