Well that’s one way to influence the veto override vote. Nothing like insulting the one guy who can whip the vote. I mean he will be so scared of those bumper stickers he wouldn’t dream of overriding. That always works. /s
I’m sure this will solve all of the problems. Apparently these people didn’t learn a whole lot from the “Fire Madigan” episode. These people have a funny way of trying to get things done. Attack the guy they must come to agreement with. Good plan.
Demoralized just said it all. In order to get anything done in the state you “must come to agreement with” Mike Madigan. That’s exactly the problem, isn’t it?
The irony is not lost on me.
- Give Me A Break - Wednesday, Aug 19, 15 @ 9:36 am:
The $100 million (and it will go to $100 million) “Fire Madigan, 2.0″ has launched!
Question;
If the unions, all unions, finally come to terms under one very specific and narrow truth that will effect them all, can they, as a movement, realize every Rauner backed candidate wants an end to collective bargaining?
Rauner could be even more polarizing than Mike Madigan ever was, or is today.
“Fire Madigan” failed because micro districts have local concerns and unique parameters to win. Even at the nine-digit spending to make it about Michael J. Madigan, the truth… the districts know what they want specifically, not an umbrella of blame and finger-pointing.
The most fascinating race, period, bar none, will be for Comptroller. It won’t even be close for other races to peak my interests. Why?
Does the Labor Movement, collectively, statewide, make Comptroller Munger the statewide scapegoat? Will the cry be, “This is our statewide message to Rauner.”
Luckily, Munger has the JBT apparatus, and has tried, as best she could to seem to be independent, less the “I support the Turnaround Agenda” statement. Let’s aldo not forget Mubger will have enough money to run and then some… and then some.
I bring this up, while looking at the “Fire Madigan, 2.0″ premise and decisions have consequences. If the polarizing Rauner gets the Labor Movement and Democrats to rally together to defeat statehouse candidates Rauner approves of in both the Democratic and Republican parties, what did Rauner do to make better “Fire Madigan”?
This “Fire Madigan” isn’t rallying the base, it’s allowing Labor and Democrats to have an enemy they both agree needs to be defeated.
Kirk, congressional races, statehouse races… None will match in fascination the Conptroller’s race, if the referendum premise on Rauner comes back to haunt… “Fire Madigan”
I’m offering free shipping, personalization, a cardboard cut-out of Speaker Madigan, and if their order is over $100, they get an apple-filled pastry, resembling a cannoli.
You know this is begining to appear as if the only thing Rauner knows how to do. He isn’t attempting to govern or lead he appears more interested in getting his bumper sticker quotes out. For instance;
“Turn around” agenda = no details but catchy phrase
“Let me do my job” = catchy but anyone know what he means? (Yesterdays pleas to the GA on SB1229)
“Freeze property taxes” = catchy but no mention of repealing prevaling wage etc.
I could go on but you get the gist.
I don’t know either he is desperate to cover the trash can van in stickers or else he is convinced we the people are so stupid we read bumper stickers as if they are the declaration of independence.
We are going to see if vapid catchy statements can actually build public support. After all presenting an argument and defending it is HARD.
Just a feeling, no stats to go on, but this all seems to be turning into background noise. Sort of a steady hum that the average, not overly partisan, Joe is tuning out. And I am talking about both sides not just Rauner.
I would guess a resigned apathy would be worse for the governor (if it is across the board), seems like it would support the status quo more. BTW- status quo is not good, so either way we are up a creek.
===If the unions, all unions, finally come to terms under one very specific and narrow truth that will effect them all, can they, as a movement, realize every Rauner backed candidate wants an end to collective bargaining?===
I think that would be very interesting to see. Many of the state’s elected officials have enjoyed a broader base of support simply because no one has forced them to adopt positions that are wildly unpopular but are consistently a part of national platforms and the platforms of other states. Areas like Sangamon County have many people who identify as Republican who will be forced to basically decide between their wallets and livelihood and the party they’re used to supporting.
I think if push comes to a shove, some of these Republicans might find themselves unable to carry a district during a presidential year.
You know … it might be fun to get a bunch of those stickers, cut to bottom off, and stick the upper half right above any Bruce Rauner bumper stickers you might find today.
For me, the truth is that the Labor movement just can’t get organized well enough to make the Impact needed, even in a Presidential year.
Rauner will go a million dollars a district, get about $20 million to Munger (way, way WAY overkill) and Kirk’s fate will not hinder or help anyone below because the national monies for both sides will eclipse nine figures, total.
I give the Dems and Labor a two in five shot to really impact it, and I have said that really generous.
If Labor can cobble and narrow and whittle it down to a single thing they all agree; Rauner wants an end to collective bargaining, they very well earn that two in five shot. Madigan and Cullerton will focus on the micro-district hyper local aspects, so it’s up to Labor, all of Labor to do better than 40% of their voters supporting “Rauner” through his candidates.
Smart money is Rauner will pick up more than even he suspects. Today.
It’s up to the Labor Movement to get that 40% to 20-25% come March 2016, and especially November 2016.
Time will tell, but my money, as his own money, is on Rauner.
- Property of IDOC - Wednesday, Aug 19, 15 @ 11:47 pm:
Steator-please pull that guy over and find out where he got his bumper sticker, I need about 38,000 of them !! Hahahaha
===For me, the truth is that the Labor movement just can’t get organized well enough to make the Impact needed, even in a Presidential year.===
While I absolutely share your conclusions and perhaps even your ‘confidence’ figure, I think the cause is slightly different than just being organized labor. My experience within this state has basically been that Democratic committees are very bad at running what I would describe as a modern political campaign. There are multiple redundant statewide organizations that don’t necessarily share the same goals and in some cases are little more than a confederacy of self interested actors with little or no long term goal.
The process of identifying voters and turning out sporadic voting democrats on election day, with early voting, or through absentee balloting is something that they’re actually bad at. There’s even difficulty with developing and maintaining a voter file that I’ve not encountered in any other state.
It’s my opinion that folks who attempted to maintain the patronage system following court rulings and laws that tool away the carrots or made them more difficult to give out has resulted in a partisan apparatus that is not prepared for difficult campaigns. I consider the indicator of this to basically be the number of statewide races that the Democrats have routinely lost, as well as some of the congressional districts that have flipped or remained in Republican hands.
The idea that it was, and is still a common practice just to write a check to a local committee to “turn out voters” is simply preposterous.
A lot of the folks who get put in charge of the campaigns simply appear to have no idea what they’re doing and wind up being there for the wrong reasons.
I do not believe that they are prepared to go head to head against an opponent who is going to hire the best mercenaries available.
- Precinct Captain - Wednesday, Aug 19, 15 @ 9:18 am:
Why is Michael Madigan in quotation marks?
- Fan - Wednesday, Aug 19, 15 @ 9:22 am:
I wonder if Champaign’s MM will like these?…& I thought the budget was the #1 problem.
- Nick Name - Wednesday, Aug 19, 15 @ 9:24 am:
Why the scare quotes?
- Mason born - Wednesday, Aug 19, 15 @ 9:27 am:
Well that’s one way to influence the veto override vote. Nothing like insulting the one guy who can whip the vote. I mean he will be so scared of those bumper stickers he wouldn’t dream of overriding. That always works. /s
- The Captain - Wednesday, Aug 19, 15 @ 9:29 am:
Needs more words, they could probably fit more words in if they used an even smaller font. Maybe print on both sides?
- AC - Wednesday, Aug 19, 15 @ 9:29 am:
More good news, if Madigan is our worst problem, then billions of dollars in budget issues must’ve evaporated!
- Demoralized - Wednesday, Aug 19, 15 @ 9:31 am:
I’m sure this will solve all of the problems. Apparently these people didn’t learn a whole lot from the “Fire Madigan” episode. These people have a funny way of trying to get things done. Attack the guy they must come to agreement with. Good plan.
- Norseman - Wednesday, Aug 19, 15 @ 9:32 am:
Fan, Rauner’s crusade does seem to make things harder for our Champaign friend.
Willy, hope you have a table for your Madigan stuff.
- White Denim - Wednesday, Aug 19, 15 @ 9:36 am:
Demoralized just said it all. In order to get anything done in the state you “must come to agreement with” Mike Madigan. That’s exactly the problem, isn’t it?
The irony is not lost on me.
- Give Me A Break - Wednesday, Aug 19, 15 @ 9:36 am:
Hey, where is the Union Bug on those signs?
- Union Man - Wednesday, Aug 19, 15 @ 9:37 am:
When will the “Real Governor” show up??
- Streator Curmudgeon - Wednesday, Aug 19, 15 @ 9:39 am:
This morning I saw the first anti-Rauner bumper sticker in Streator.
I’d quote the message, but it switched a couple letters to allude to a gross obscenity. Hint: It only contained two words.
- Oswego Willy - Wednesday, Aug 19, 15 @ 9:39 am:
The $100 million (and it will go to $100 million) “Fire Madigan, 2.0″ has launched!
Question;
If the unions, all unions, finally come to terms under one very specific and narrow truth that will effect them all, can they, as a movement, realize every Rauner backed candidate wants an end to collective bargaining?
Rauner could be even more polarizing than Mike Madigan ever was, or is today.
“Fire Madigan” failed because micro districts have local concerns and unique parameters to win. Even at the nine-digit spending to make it about Michael J. Madigan, the truth… the districts know what they want specifically, not an umbrella of blame and finger-pointing.
The most fascinating race, period, bar none, will be for Comptroller. It won’t even be close for other races to peak my interests. Why?
Does the Labor Movement, collectively, statewide, make Comptroller Munger the statewide scapegoat? Will the cry be, “This is our statewide message to Rauner.”
Luckily, Munger has the JBT apparatus, and has tried, as best she could to seem to be independent, less the “I support the Turnaround Agenda” statement. Let’s aldo not forget Mubger will have enough money to run and then some… and then some.
I bring this up, while looking at the “Fire Madigan, 2.0″ premise and decisions have consequences. If the polarizing Rauner gets the Labor Movement and Democrats to rally together to defeat statehouse candidates Rauner approves of in both the Democratic and Republican parties, what did Rauner do to make better “Fire Madigan”?
This “Fire Madigan” isn’t rallying the base, it’s allowing Labor and Democrats to have an enemy they both agree needs to be defeated.
Kirk, congressional races, statehouse races… None will match in fascination the Conptroller’s race, if the referendum premise on Rauner comes back to haunt… “Fire Madigan”
- Oswego Willy - Wednesday, Aug 19, 15 @ 9:42 am:
- Norsemam -
I’m offering free shipping, personalization, a cardboard cut-out of Speaker Madigan, and if their order is over $100, they get an apple-filled pastry, resembling a cannoli.
I should make out like a Rauner!
- Anonymous Redux - Wednesday, Aug 19, 15 @ 9:42 am:
Signs are cool.
- LizPhairTax - Wednesday, Aug 19, 15 @ 9:45 am:
THE #2 PROBLEM FACING ILLINOIS IS PEOPLE WITH VISTAPRINT ACCOUNTS AND NO UNDERSTANDING OF HOW QUOTATION MARKS WORK
FUND K-12 EDUCATION NOW!
- Jocko - Wednesday, Aug 19, 15 @ 9:49 am:
I’m picturing MJM as Snidely Whiplash, tying the state’s budget to the train tracks. Quick! Someone tell Bruce to jump on his horse.
- Button is broke... - Wednesday, Aug 19, 15 @ 9:56 am:
Glad to hear our $110 billion dollar pension issue has been solved.
- Mason born - Wednesday, Aug 19, 15 @ 9:56 am:
You know this is begining to appear as if the only thing Rauner knows how to do. He isn’t attempting to govern or lead he appears more interested in getting his bumper sticker quotes out. For instance;
“Turn around” agenda = no details but catchy phrase
“Let me do my job” = catchy but anyone know what he means? (Yesterdays pleas to the GA on SB1229)
“Freeze property taxes” = catchy but no mention of repealing prevaling wage etc.
I could go on but you get the gist.
I don’t know either he is desperate to cover the trash can van in stickers or else he is convinced we the people are so stupid we read bumper stickers as if they are the declaration of independence.
We are going to see if vapid catchy statements can actually build public support. After all presenting an argument and defending it is HARD.
- RNUG - Wednesday, Aug 19, 15 @ 9:57 am:
-Jocko-
I like the image except I see Bruce in the Snidely Whiplash role …
- Wordslinger - Wednesday, Aug 19, 15 @ 9:59 am:
Meh, red meat to the true believers. It’s their day.
I wouldn’t bank on it as an overall theme in a presidential year when turnout will be up around 70%.
- Oswego Willy - Wednesday, Aug 19, 15 @ 10:03 am:
If Rauner get overridden today, those signs will seem like weak sauce, or the governor is just weak.
- @MisterJayEm - Wednesday, Aug 19, 15 @ 10:11 am:
– MrJM
- JS Mill - Wednesday, Aug 19, 15 @ 10:19 am:
Just a feeling, no stats to go on, but this all seems to be turning into background noise. Sort of a steady hum that the average, not overly partisan, Joe is tuning out. And I am talking about both sides not just Rauner.
I would guess a resigned apathy would be worse for the governor (if it is across the board), seems like it would support the status quo more. BTW- status quo is not good, so either way we are up a creek.
- VanillaMan - Wednesday, Aug 19, 15 @ 10:19 am:
An Apple A Day
Keeps Rauner Away
- From the 'Dale to HP - Wednesday, Aug 19, 15 @ 10:36 am:
Someone is asking the wrong question…
- Flynn's Mom - Wednesday, Aug 19, 15 @ 10:48 am:
The #1 Problem Facing The State Of Illinois is ”
“Carhartt Jackets and Plaid Shirts”
- Wordslinger - Wednesday, Aug 19, 15 @ 10:54 am:
Actually the #1 problem is a Govemor who refuses to engage on the budget.
Hence $38 billion in projected spending, $33 billion in projected revenue, layoffs and shutdowns in social services, layoffs at universities.
It’s going to get worse, every day.
- Mama - Wednesday, Aug 19, 15 @ 11:03 am:
When will the unions put out a bumper sticker?
IL #1 problem is “Gov.” Rauner
- zatoichi - Wednesday, Aug 19, 15 @ 11:14 am:
There are at least 20 Michael Madigans in the Illinois white pages. They should get framed complimentary copies for their home use.
- Ipso Facto - Wednesday, Aug 19, 15 @ 11:19 am:
Regarding Bruce’s Madigan fetish:
“Great minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, small minds discuss people.”
–Eleanor Roosevelt
- Liberty - Wednesday, Aug 19, 15 @ 12:00 pm:
I went over but the parking lot was full of old crappy vans and I couldn’t get in.
- D.P.Gumby - Wednesday, Aug 19, 15 @ 12:58 pm:
Governor’s Day–where Brucie goes w/ his bucket and shovel to collect more talking points for his shakeup agenda!
- Wordslinger - Wednesday, Aug 19, 15 @ 1:32 pm:
Strange reports on the opening entertainment before the governor’s speech.
A cover of a Meghan Trainor song, “I know you’re lying because your lips are moving.”
Interesting choice.
- Anon - Wednesday, Aug 19, 15 @ 2:25 pm:
Willy,
===If the unions, all unions, finally come to terms under one very specific and narrow truth that will effect them all, can they, as a movement, realize every Rauner backed candidate wants an end to collective bargaining?===
I think that would be very interesting to see. Many of the state’s elected officials have enjoyed a broader base of support simply because no one has forced them to adopt positions that are wildly unpopular but are consistently a part of national platforms and the platforms of other states. Areas like Sangamon County have many people who identify as Republican who will be forced to basically decide between their wallets and livelihood and the party they’re used to supporting.
I think if push comes to a shove, some of these Republicans might find themselves unable to carry a district during a presidential year.
- RNUG - Wednesday, Aug 19, 15 @ 2:34 pm:
You know … it might be fun to get a bunch of those stickers, cut to bottom off, and stick the upper half right above any Bruce Rauner bumper stickers you might find today.
- Oswego Willy - Wednesday, Aug 19, 15 @ 2:40 pm:
- Anon -,
For me, the truth is that the Labor movement just can’t get organized well enough to make the Impact needed, even in a Presidential year.
Rauner will go a million dollars a district, get about $20 million to Munger (way, way WAY overkill) and Kirk’s fate will not hinder or help anyone below because the national monies for both sides will eclipse nine figures, total.
I give the Dems and Labor a two in five shot to really impact it, and I have said that really generous.
If Labor can cobble and narrow and whittle it down to a single thing they all agree; Rauner wants an end to collective bargaining, they very well earn that two in five shot. Madigan and Cullerton will focus on the micro-district hyper local aspects, so it’s up to Labor, all of Labor to do better than 40% of their voters supporting “Rauner” through his candidates.
Smart money is Rauner will pick up more than even he suspects. Today.
It’s up to the Labor Movement to get that 40% to 20-25% come March 2016, and especially November 2016.
Time will tell, but my money, as his own money, is on Rauner.
- Property of IDOC - Wednesday, Aug 19, 15 @ 11:47 pm:
Steator-please pull that guy over and find out where he got his bumper sticker, I need about 38,000 of them !! Hahahaha
- Anon - Thursday, Aug 20, 15 @ 9:24 am:
Willy,
===For me, the truth is that the Labor movement just can’t get organized well enough to make the Impact needed, even in a Presidential year.===
While I absolutely share your conclusions and perhaps even your ‘confidence’ figure, I think the cause is slightly different than just being organized labor. My experience within this state has basically been that Democratic committees are very bad at running what I would describe as a modern political campaign. There are multiple redundant statewide organizations that don’t necessarily share the same goals and in some cases are little more than a confederacy of self interested actors with little or no long term goal.
The process of identifying voters and turning out sporadic voting democrats on election day, with early voting, or through absentee balloting is something that they’re actually bad at. There’s even difficulty with developing and maintaining a voter file that I’ve not encountered in any other state.
It’s my opinion that folks who attempted to maintain the patronage system following court rulings and laws that tool away the carrots or made them more difficult to give out has resulted in a partisan apparatus that is not prepared for difficult campaigns. I consider the indicator of this to basically be the number of statewide races that the Democrats have routinely lost, as well as some of the congressional districts that have flipped or remained in Republican hands.
The idea that it was, and is still a common practice just to write a check to a local committee to “turn out voters” is simply preposterous.
A lot of the folks who get put in charge of the campaigns simply appear to have no idea what they’re doing and wind up being there for the wrong reasons.
I do not believe that they are prepared to go head to head against an opponent who is going to hire the best mercenaries available.