*** UPDATED x1 *** Question of the day
Wednesday, Nov 18, 2015 - Posted by Rich Miller
* AP…
Illinois groups that help Syrian refugees resettle are calling on Gov. Bruce Rauner to reverse his decision to temporarily stop accepting new Syrian refugees after the attacks in Paris.
Members of groups including RefugeeOne and the Heartland Alliance said Wednesday they believe Rauner doesn’t have the authority to halt the federal resettlement program, but they want a welcoming atmosphere in Illinois. They say Rauner and other GOP governors’ similar decisions were made out of fear. They say refugee screening processes are vigorous.
Since 2010 Illinois has received 169 Syrian refugees.
RefugeeOne executive director Melineh Kano says at least 21 more individuals are expected in December. She says Rauner’s administration has requested information on them.
Congresswoman Tammy Duckworth has also weighed in with a Tribune op-ed.
*** UPDATE *** A new statement from the governor…
“The Governor has been very clear — we need to preserve our heritage as a state welcoming of refugees while addressing the all-too-real security concerns that continue to evolve every day,” the statement reads. “A State Department official confirmed to our staff this morning that ISIS has demonstrated an interest in infiltrating refugee populations heading to the West. The official also confirmed that in recent years, some refugees admitted to the United States were later discovered to have terrorist ties.
“At the same time, we continue to request briefings from the federal government on refugees being resettled to Illinois before they come — and the federal government has no official information sharing mechanism to coordinate directly with Governors on such individuals. As California’s governor reportedly said to the White House chief of staff last night, the federal government must evolve with the threat and modernize their information sharing with state governments. This is a reasonable and responsible step to take to ensure we maintain a balance between compassion for refugees and security for our citizens.”
* The Question: Should the governor reverse his decision? Take the poll and then explain your answer in comments, please.
survey service
- OneMan - Wednesday, Nov 18, 15 @ 3:06 pm:
In an abundance of caution and responding to the concerns of citizens I asked for a suspension of the admission of refugees into Illinois
After conferring with the appropriate federal and state authorities I feel comfortable appropriate measures are taking place to screen people looking to come to the United States so as I am happy to say we are no longer asking for people not to come to Illinois and will continue to monitor the situation.
– Easy enough to do Governor.
- From My Cell - Wednesday, Nov 18, 15 @ 3:06 pm:
Unless he can tell us what information the very long vetting process cannot provide then he should reverse the decision to not assist (he knows he can’t deny them entry) refugees.
- northernwatersports - Wednesday, Nov 18, 15 @ 3:08 pm:
What is he thinking? /s
- Urbs In Horto - Wednesday, Nov 18, 15 @ 3:08 pm:
I vote yes. The explanation for this vote? I disapprove of kicking people when they’re down.
- UISer - Wednesday, Nov 18, 15 @ 3:14 pm:
Yes.
“Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free”
No additional argument needed.
- 360 Degree TurnAround - Wednesday, Nov 18, 15 @ 3:14 pm:
Yes, after reading Crain’s article, I will thank Syrian refugees for my iphone. thank you Steve Jobs dad for coming here.
- Chicago Cynic - Wednesday, Nov 18, 15 @ 3:15 pm:
Yes. Playing to the fear caucus is not a rational policy - it’s just politics.
- Gooner - Wednesday, Nov 18, 15 @ 3:17 pm:
I voted no.
The Governor’s action is completely contrary to law and almost impossible to enforce.
However, it serves as a reminder that for all of his talk about a day in Springfield, he will race to the bottom to pander whenever it may be convenient.
It is a great reminder that we elected a man without any decency.
Stay the course. Remind people of what we have elected.
- El Duderino - Wednesday, Nov 18, 15 @ 3:18 pm:
Yes, as has been pointed out, it’s easier for a terrorist to find other means to get into this country/state than to pose as a refugee. These refugees need help and if Illinois can provide it, our leaders should not be obstructing the process.
- Relocated - Wednesday, Nov 18, 15 @ 3:18 pm:
Given that he can’t legally bar them from entry anyway he should certainly revise his comments.
- old pol - Wednesday, Nov 18, 15 @ 3:19 pm:
When will someone with knowledge of the vetting process describe it in detail. I find the lack of detail from the feds disturbing. The only thing that is clear is the 12 to 18 month process occurs while the refugee is here. Also clear is much of Syria is a war zone thus hard to get info from local authorities about applicants. And what exactly are we asking them about, criminal history? terrorist ties? I am sure any local authority with knowledge would not be too quick to tell the U.S. authorities: “oh, he’s a suspected terrorist - send him back to us”. The logic of vetting is sorely lacking.
- Give Me A Break - Wednesday, Nov 18, 15 @ 3:20 pm:
Voted Yes, if we as a nation cannot understand the profound impact of shutting off those who are seeking shelter from war, oppression and persecution, we should send back the Statue of Liberty back to France and tell the terrorist, You Win.
- Former State Employee - Wednesday, Nov 18, 15 @ 3:21 pm:
We are a nation of immigrants and refugees. This action only makes the ISIS message stronger. People, get a world view, please.
- Wensicia - Wednesday, Nov 18, 15 @ 3:21 pm:
Governor Pence of Indiana is refusing to accept refugees due to enter his state this week. Rauner could show him up by saying he’s OK with this after careful review of Federal guidelines.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/suburbs/post-tribune/news/ct-syrian-refugees-indiana-20151118-story.html#nt=outfit
- Rich Miller - Wednesday, Nov 18, 15 @ 3:22 pm:
===When will someone with knowledge of the vetting process describe it in detail===
How about you don’t wait for someone to spoon feed you like a child and try the Google?
- Last Bull Moose - Wednesday, Nov 18, 15 @ 3:22 pm:
As Oneman wrote, the reversal is easy.
Then announce an initiative for the State to work with immigrant groups to combat the radicalisation of Muslim youth. This should have a non-police lead. And fund the effort.
The best defense against radical Islam are Muslims, especially Imams, who love both America and their children. Don’t make them choose. Give them contacts and skills.
Radicalisation in the Muslim community is a scourge. We can fight it together.
- downstate commissioner - Wednesday, Nov 18, 15 @ 3:23 pm:
Uiser hit it on the head. Also, “All we have to fear is fear itself.”
America is becoming a nation of chickens, wanting to be protected from everything…
- Served - Wednesday, Nov 18, 15 @ 3:23 pm:
I think a brief review of the refugee vetting process should have been enough to lift this hold. It’s disappointing that our Governor would continue this kind of fearmongering, and that such a self-styled independent person would so easily jump onto such a clearly orchestrated partisan maneuver.
I’m more concerned with domestic threats to our safety.
- MB - Wednesday, Nov 18, 15 @ 3:30 pm:
Old Pol — at a glance, a few things to think of…http://www.npr.org/2015/11/17/456395388/paris-attacks-ignite-debate-over-u-s-refugee-policy
- wordslinger - Wednesday, Nov 18, 15 @ 3:31 pm:
Yes. Being generous with governor’s motivation:
– it was based on nothing but ignorance of the current lengthy refugee screening process — information which is easily accessible.
– no act of terrorism has been attributed to any Syrian refugee.
– it gives no reason, rational or otherwise, for singling out Syrian refugees, as opposed to say, Iraqis or Afghans.
– it betrays fears of terrorists — a goal of terrorists.
– it betrays our values — also a goal of terrorists.
- Quran 4 89 - Wednesday, Nov 18, 15 @ 3:33 pm:
For those who would welcome Syrian refugees into your midst, the vast majority of whom are males of military age, please add jihadwatch.org to your daily reading.
- Nick Name - Wednesday, Nov 18, 15 @ 3:34 pm:
Voted yes.
Governors have no legal authority to bar refugees. How the heck does Rauner plan to block them from entering Illinois? We do not act out of fear. The French are still committed to accepting refugees — what gives us the right to be any less welcoming and courageous?
And especially, at this time of year, where we are entering into a season that celebrates a pair of Middle Eastern refugees two whom the inn doors were shut: is the irony completely lost on Gov. Rauner and the other Republican governors?
- Empty Suit - Wednesday, Nov 18, 15 @ 3:36 pm:
I voted no. Trust but verify. On the other hand can it be any worse than the thousands of unknowns coming across the porous southern border?
- Oswego Willy - Wednesday, Nov 18, 15 @ 3:37 pm:
Voted “Yes”
- OneMan -
Restaurant-Quality.
- Rich Miller - Wednesday, Nov 18, 15 @ 3:37 pm:
===the vast majority of whom are males of military age===
I don’t know whether that’s true or not, but I have seen many stories about young men fleeing that area to avoid being drafted into the Syrian army or by ISIS or other combatants.
So, again, I don’t know if you’re correct, but do you blame them for leaving?
- Anon - Wednesday, Nov 18, 15 @ 3:38 pm:
The pause in accepting refugees until more is known about how/if they’re being vetted seems prudent to me. He didn’t lock the door. He’s just put up a “Wait Here” sign. Considering what the worst-case scenario could be, it doesn’t seem at all unreasonable to slow this down.
- walker - Wednesday, Nov 18, 15 @ 3:39 pm:
Quran: feel sorry that you’re buried in misinformation. What you say is simply false. Please come back when you learn something true about this whole issue.
- crazybleedingheart - Wednesday, Nov 18, 15 @ 3:40 pm:
Voted yes, but a little conflicted - not on the merits, but because reversing a groundless decision basically means stating/creating grounds for doing so — aka more lying.
- walker - Wednesday, Nov 18, 15 @ 3:41 pm:
One Man wrote the perfect step back for the governor.
- Nonsense - Wednesday, Nov 18, 15 @ 3:41 pm:
He’s not correct; the vast majority are children and old people. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2015/11/17/3-important-facts-about-how-the-u-s-resettles-syrian-refugees/
- Roland the Headless Thompson Gunner - Wednesday, Nov 18, 15 @ 3:42 pm:
I voted yes but agree with Gooner. Rauner is proving himself to be a political bottom-feeder. And don’t you love how the Tribune ed board today jumped right on board, giving their beloved Brucie cover?
- Vermilion Slim - Wednesday, Nov 18, 15 @ 3:42 pm:
If you are a low-income family that is in debt with three hungry kids, would it be responsible to adopt 5 more kids that you can’t take care of? Essentially that is what we’d be doing if Illinois decides to take in any kind of refugees. I honestly, don’t think there is that much of a security concern (you probably create more terrorists by turning them away) but from a fiscal/responsibility stand point, it makes no sense to take any new citizens with lots of needs when you can’t even help your existing citizens with lots of needs.
- Bigtwich - Wednesday, Nov 18, 15 @ 3:43 pm:
Voted yes. I can only quote Roanoke, Virginia, Mayor David A. Bowers.
“I’m reminded that President Franklin D. Roosevelt felt compelled to sequester Japanese foreign nationals after the bombing of Pearl Harbor, and it appears that the threat of harm to America from Isis [sic] now is just as real and serious as that from our enemies then.”
Of course he said this in support of suspending Syrian refuge assistance.
- Rich Miller - Wednesday, Nov 18, 15 @ 3:44 pm:
===Essentially that is what we’d be doing if Illinois decides to take in===
It’s mainly federal pass-thru money.
And we’re talking a tiny number of people here.
I am still undecided, but at least put some thought into this, people.
- Carhartt Representative - Wednesday, Nov 18, 15 @ 3:44 pm:
There was a male of military age that I know of that was one of these refugees. He was terrified of the beheadings so he moved his family to Egypt. He stayed there to protect his family rather than leaving them all alone in a strange place. Then when King Herod died, he brought Jesus and Mary back to Israel with him.
- Appalled - Wednesday, Nov 18, 15 @ 3:45 pm:
Yes. All this is doubly ironic given that next Thursday we’ll be celebrating a bunch of religious refugees and the natives who fed them.
- Stones - Wednesday, Nov 18, 15 @ 3:45 pm:
It’s a non-issue. The Governor doesn’t have the authority to close our borders. This simply a red meat issue for the right wing.
- Rich Miller - Wednesday, Nov 18, 15 @ 3:45 pm:
===low-income family that is in debt with three hungry kids, would it be responsible to adopt 5 more kids===
Again, it’s not like they’re talking about bringing millions and millions of people here (which would reflect your goofy analogy).
- Arthur Andersen - Wednesday, Nov 18, 15 @ 3:46 pm:
Voted yes. Nothing to add to OneMan’s post.
- 47th Ward - Wednesday, Nov 18, 15 @ 3:47 pm:
For context, consider that there are almost four million refugees fleeing the violence in Syria. The United States agreed to take in 10,000.
10,000 may sound like a lot, but Germany agreed to resettle 500,000. Let’s not let fear cloud our thinking about this. Accepting 10,000 refugees would only make a small dent in the problem. A cease fire is needed to stem the flow and make it possible for many of these people to remain in, or return to, Syria.
Unfortunately, given the dynamics of the conflict, a cease fire is not likely in the short term. That doesn’t mean we shouldn’t be trying to achieve it though.
- Henry Francis - Wednesday, Nov 18, 15 @ 3:48 pm:
I think everyone is missing what this is for the Governor. Much like his ill advised cuts to childcare that he eventually walked back under the banner of compromise - he can similarly compromise yet again on this issue - thus strengthening his claim to be a great compromiser. We should be hearing from Dunkin on this shortly.
- countyline - Wednesday, Nov 18, 15 @ 3:48 pm:
The syrian refugee crisis has only been an issue for a couple of months, so there is absolutely no way these people have been vetted for 2 years.
- UISer - Wednesday, Nov 18, 15 @ 3:49 pm:
Rich,
What is your trepidation? Not trying to be combative, but you’re a reasoned guy. Just want to know what your thoughts are.
- JS Mill - Wednesday, Nov 18, 15 @ 3:51 pm:
SVoted Yes. One Man wins the internet today.
- BeenThereB4 - Wednesday, Nov 18, 15 @ 3:51 pm:
NO
Trump is not going to pick him for a running mate if he goes soft on immigration.
And to -old pol-, try reading yesterday’s CapitolFax.
- Flynn's Mom - Wednesday, Nov 18, 15 @ 3:52 pm:
The decision was not his to make. This is the role of the federal government. And how about some compassion for those being terrorized in their own countries.
- 47th Ward - Wednesday, Nov 18, 15 @ 3:53 pm:
countyline, The Syrian crisis began in 2011. Refugees have been accumulating since then. The media in the West began paying attention once these refugees flooded into Europe and when the bodies of the unlucky ones started washing up on Turkish beaches.
- The Muse - Wednesday, Nov 18, 15 @ 3:53 pm:
I voted yes. History class people.
Circa 1939: “Umm hi, we’re a Jewish family trying to flee this really crazy Hitler guy. Can you help us out America?”
“Ermmm, yeah but you’re German which means you’re also Nazis… Can’t have that, sorry.”
- Anon. - Wednesday, Nov 18, 15 @ 3:54 pm:
Voted yes. There is a risk that some are or will become terrorists, but there are a lot of ways they could get into the country anyway and it’s guaranteed that anyone in that region is in danger from one or more of about 10 different armed groups (including us and the Russians). So do our best to vet them, but let them in.
- Demoralized - Wednesday, Nov 18, 15 @ 3:56 pm:
==The syrian refugee crisis has only been an issue for a couple of months==
Are you so dense as to think that people in Syria only decided two months ago that they needed to leave? Have you paid the least bit of attention to Syria over the past several years? Apparently not with that sort of statement.
To the post -
I voted yes. The decision was largely political. While it may be a reasoned response, the Governor doesn’t have much power to stop it. I would have simply asked the federal government to keep me more informed of the process if I were a Governor. There’s always risk and you’re never going to mitigate that risk 100%. I think we don’t need to do something that’s going to make the plight of these refugees that much more difficult. It’s far easier to come into the country other ways than to go through the refugee process.
- anon - Wednesday, Nov 18, 15 @ 3:56 pm:
No, can’t vet these people, we have need here to address.
- Phenomynous - Wednesday, Nov 18, 15 @ 3:57 pm:
Voted no. Governor’s should have some say when it comes to this process and I don’t think it’s unreasonable for the Governor to make sure that the proper controls are in place as he seems fit. If something terrible, however unlikely it is to happen, were to happen then you would know where the blame would fall.
- Rich Miller - Wednesday, Nov 18, 15 @ 3:57 pm:
===What is your trepidation?===
I don’t think a temporary pause is inhumane, as long as it’s temporary and for good reason. A rethink is in order here.
Also, we had some Illinoisans caught up in a pro ISIS plot this past February, at least one of whom was a Bosnian refugee. Vetting was probably different back then (pre-9/11), but still.
On the other hand, I married into a family of several refugees many moons ago. Good, solid, decent people forced to leave Iraq because of Islamic extremists. They fled to Syria, then Europe.
As you might guess, I’m not a big fan of Islamic extremists.
- Anonymous - Wednesday, Nov 18, 15 @ 3:58 pm:
These refugees receive intensive screening. Maybe more can be done, but all that is needed is requests to the President on that. These should all be refugees who, too, are victims. They are the very people we should give refuge to. Only a small percentage are of the right age to be dangerous. Aren’t over 50% children and over 30% women?
Largely this is poised as a political barb pointed at the President since it is only a federal issue in the first place.
- UISer - Wednesday, Nov 18, 15 @ 3:59 pm:
That all makes sense.
- Huh? - Wednesday, Nov 18, 15 @ 3:59 pm:
In 1620, my 13th generation great-grandfather, for whom I am named, was a religious refugee. The local inhabitants took them in, provided them with food and information necessary for the Pilgrims to survive.
America is a nation of immigrants. There are very few people who are not from somewhere else.
Yes. Bring them with welcome and open arms.
- wordslinger - Wednesday, Nov 18, 15 @ 3:59 pm:
– the vast majority of whom are males of military age.–
That’s utter nonsense.
According to the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees, the demographics for Syrian refugees are:
50.3% Female
49.7% Male
Males 18-59 represent 22.1% of Syrian refugees, males 12-17, 6.6%.
Children 11 and under account for 38.4% of Syrian refugees.
unhcr.org
- Nonsense - Wednesday, Nov 18, 15 @ 4:00 pm:
==- countyline - Wednesday, Nov 18, 15 @ 3:48 pm:
The syrian refugee crisis has only been an issue for a couple of months, so there is absolutely no way these people have been vetted for 2 years.==
What are you talking about? the civil war has been going on since like 2011. There were more than 2 million refugees by the end of 2013.
- Vermilion Slim - Wednesday, Nov 18, 15 @ 4:01 pm:
===It’s mainly federal pass-thru money.
And we’re talking a tiny number of people here===
Interesting Rich… Do you know if it is straight federal money with no strings attached, or are there matching costs required? Also, I’m interested to know how long the federal dollars would last for and what services they would provide. How do we pay for long-term housing, health, unemployment, etc.
Also, I really don’t think the analogy is that goofy… it’s not to scale, of coarse, but the principle of responsibility with funding is still valid. They are tons and tons of great/moral things we could do as a state (more homeless shelters, better paid social workers, etc.) if we had an endless supply of money, why does this issue trump all the things that we currently can’t afford.
Finally, what number of refugees are we talking about at the state level… 200+? That may seem like a small amount for the state as a whole, but that is a lot for a community (if you want to keep these families/groups together) and it still requires lots of additional social services.
- @MisterJayEm - Wednesday, Nov 18, 15 @ 4:02 pm:
“The syrian refugee crisis has only been an issue for a couple of months…”
I don’t know if you are profoundly ignorant or shockingly dishonest.
The refugee crisis began in 2011, when thousands of Syrian citizens fled across the border to neighboring Turkey and Lebanon. By early July 2011, 15,000 Syrian citizens had taken shelter in tent cities near Turkey’s border with Syria, e.g. http://www.todayszaman.com/news-249275-five-babies-born-in-syrian-refugee-camps-in-turkey-named-recep-tayyip.html
– MrJM
- Sam Weinberg - Wednesday, Nov 18, 15 @ 4:05 pm:
Remember Ebola?
Governor Walker(R) demanded a travel ban.
Governor Jindal (R) demanded a travel ban.
Governor Kasich (R) demanded a travel ban.
Governor Perry (R) demanded a travel ban.
And that’s just from the first page of the google search. And don’t even get me started on what Governor Christie (R) wanted to do in New Jersey.
Yeah - whatever side they’re on, I’m on the opposite.
Like so much coming from the national Republicans these days, it’s sounds good on first glance but 3 months later it’s remembered, if at all, as a knee-jerk, unsupported by fact, ultimately counter-productive stunt designed only to score a few cheap political points.
- Todd - Wednesday, Nov 18, 15 @ 4:08 pm:
while banning the refugees is overly simplistic, the issue is the balancing act that takes place in trying to keep with our morales, yet protect our nation from a French type attack.
There exists the possibility that daesh could try and slip sopme johnny jihads into our country. it was a concern during the first gulf war. and to acknowledge that possibility is not a slam on muslims, islam or the people themselves. its just a fact that it could happen.
and since there is very little infrastructre for data collection over there, and even less that we have acess to. If they are not ID through interpol we know nothing about them. So there should be a concern about who may be getting in.
I don’t think any vetting process is gonna be perfect and I don’t think its even possible. But it doesn’t mean we shouldnt try and figure out what we can do.
it also means that people who choose the simplistic path of saying no to the refugees are bad or bigoted people. Many just don’t want to see a repeat of France. And if the system isnt perfect, the easy answer is to say no.
what doesnt help is snarky comments from the President who seems to be all about hes right and everyuone who has a different opinion is wrong.
- crazybleedingheart - Wednesday, Nov 18, 15 @ 4:10 pm:
Vermilion: if you care that much about the money, you could look up the budget stuff. It’s public information.
If you don’t actually care that much, your questions strike me as a lazy diversion.
- Henry Francis - Wednesday, Nov 18, 15 @ 4:10 pm:
VS - as of 9/15/2015, 94 refugees from Syria have been resettled in Illinois this year, 62 of them in Chicago, according to data from the Refugee Processing Center, operated by the U.S. State Department. That’s about three times the placements in all of last year, with 24 Syrian refugees resettled in Illinois, 18 of which were in Chicago. Those numbers, though, don’t include Syrians seeking asylum, a separate process.
Drop. In. The. Bucket.
- Team Sleep - Wednesday, Nov 18, 15 @ 4:10 pm:
Rich - thank you for the deliberateness of your post and your subsequent comments. Everything since the attacks has been knee-jerk. EVERYTHING. Both sides need to slow down.
- crazybleedingheart - Wednesday, Nov 18, 15 @ 4:12 pm:
“Johnny Jihads” might be a phrase that helps you raise money for the right to maintain a personal arsenal, Todd, but it’s pretty gross.
- Sir Reel - Wednesday, Nov 18, 15 @ 4:12 pm:
Yes
In addition to all the good arguments already made, this anti refuge position is more political than security. To date we know a passport was found that may belong to one of the terrorists. It hasn’t been confirmed. The other 7 or 8 terrorists were French or Belgium nationals.
- wordslinger - Wednesday, Nov 18, 15 @ 4:12 pm:
So you have one commenter claiming the “vast majority are males of military age,” another saying that “it’s only been a crisis for a couple of months, so they couldn’t have been waiting for two years,” and another who just can’t “find any information on the vetting process.”
Ignorance, willful or otherwise, breeds fear.
- Moby - Wednesday, Nov 18, 15 @ 4:12 pm:
I voted ‘Yes’ because after a quick historical search of terrorist attacks on U.S. soil, I found no instances of any of the perpetrators entering the U.S. via refugee programs. These bans on accepting Syrian refugees, while they may make some people feel better/safer, most likely have no effect on actual terrorism on U.S. soil. I’m assuming it’s more likely that terrorists will enter via student and work visas, or already live here (Timothy McVeigh/Ted Kaczynski).
- Oswego Willy - Wednesday, Nov 18, 15 @ 4:16 pm:
I had thought about commenting in a much longer way.
I didn’t. I’m glad.
- Todd - took care of my other thoughts with his comment.
I’m grateful.
My vote is “Yes” over “No”, there’s no doubt, and - OneMan - gives the Governor his exit.
- Todd -, well, - Todd - covers my thoughts, and that’s why this question is far deeper than a “Yes” or a “No”
Thanks to - Todd - and - OneMan -
OW
- @MisterJayEm - Wednesday, Nov 18, 15 @ 4:18 pm:
“Everything since the attacks has been knee-jerk. EVERYTHING.”
I respectfully disagree. DISAGREE.
– MrJM
- Serious question - Wednesday, Nov 18, 15 @ 4:21 pm:
What procedures were in place to ensure that absolutely no Irish immigrants had any ties to the Irish Republican Army?
- Anonymous - Wednesday, Nov 18, 15 @ 4:21 pm:
Yes and make your foreign policy advisor apologize too
- wordslinger - Wednesday, Nov 18, 15 @ 4:22 pm:
Todd, is your concern then about native-born French or Belgian citizens slipping into the United States?
Because there’s absolutely no evidence that Syrian refugees had anything to do with Paris.
What about those tens of thousands of mentally ill in Illinois who still might be illegally armed?
- Anon2U - Wednesday, Nov 18, 15 @ 4:24 pm:
Why was okay for Pres. Obama to temporarily suspend the Iraqi refugee program in 2011 but not temporarily suspend the Syrian refugee program for pretty much the identical reason?
- Paul Kemp - Wednesday, Nov 18, 15 @ 4:26 pm:
Oswego agrees with Todd. I agree with Todd. I agree with Oswego Willy.
Huh. Now there’s a syllogism I didn’t think I’d be reaching any time soon. It goes to show.
- Vermilion Slim - Wednesday, Nov 18, 15 @ 4:27 pm:
Crazybleedingheart…. I actually did try to do some quick research on the cost of increasing the number of refugees to the states and to the federal government and honestly didn’t find anything that is quickly or easily accessible (surprise!)… would you be able to direct me to the appropriate links?
I did find a CNN article that states “Refugees are required to adjust their status to become legal permanent residents of the United States within one year of their arrival, at which point they are free to move anywhere in the country, although the official noted some specific benefits may only be available in the state where they were originally resettled.” Which makes me think that the states will eventually have to cover the costs of these new residents and that federal money will not support them in the long-term. I also found a CBC article that talks about the mental health needs that these folks will require — another services/cost issue.
Again, I think it is really easy to say that this stuff is just a “drop in the bucket” but that seems to have been the mentality that has caused a budget crisis in our state.
For people that voted yes, is there a cap in the number of refugees that you would take in? What about Rwandan refugees, or the new flood of Burundi refugees that will be coming shortly?
- alas - Wednesday, Nov 18, 15 @ 4:28 pm:
appalling posturing in sync with disaster creators
- Wensicia - Wednesday, Nov 18, 15 @ 4:28 pm:
If a Johnny Jihad does show up in this country, it won’t be because he came in as a refugee. He’ll probably be a citizen of this country, like the terrorists were citizens of theirs. This misplaced focus drives fear, but isn’t productive in preventing a terror incident from happening in this country.
- Paul Kemp - Wednesday, Nov 18, 15 @ 4:29 pm:
I suppose I should qualify that statement by noting that I voted “No,” as ultimately I agree with the Governor. I believe he and others (though perhaps not all) are simply trying to evaluate a very complex situation to come to decision that makes sense. Protecting Illinois citizens is foremost, and it’s not a “bigoted” or “xenophobic” notion to look at, and perhaps make suggestions to change, the current process so that we know its working.
- Capitol View - Wednesday, Nov 18, 15 @ 4:29 pm:
I’m embarrassed for the Republican Governors Association, which I assume is behind this terrible gesture.
Keep checking Facebook and elsewhere for the thorough vetting going on regarding families seeking refugee status.
- Oswego Willy - Wednesday, Nov 18, 15 @ 4:30 pm:
- Paul Kemp -
When I share an adult beverage with - Todd - will discuss your quandary…
- burbanite - Wednesday, Nov 18, 15 @ 4:32 pm:
I voted yes, its a slippery slope, we can’t monitor the borders of our country adequately much less each state.
- JackD - Wednesday, Nov 18, 15 @ 4:35 pm:
A story today asserted that the passport was a phony and was likely a “false flag” effort by the terrorists to inspire precisely the anti refugee reaction we’re presently seeing. ISIS does not want those people fleeing. It’s bad PR for their “regime” and deprives them of men they can force into fighting.
Beyond all that it’s obvious that these people are victims and need help. We should help.
- Keyrock - Wednesday, Nov 18, 15 @ 4:36 pm:
To the update: the Governkr’s walkback begins. But it doesn’t go far enough or quickly enough to undo the harm caused by the initial unthinking posturing.
- olddog - Wednesday, Nov 18, 15 @ 4:39 pm:
Voted yes. There’s no more reason to hyperventilate about Syrian refugees than there was about West Africans during the Ebola outbreak. Different crisis, some of the same panicky bigots trying to exploit it for political ends.
- Mouthy - Wednesday, Nov 18, 15 @ 4:41 pm:
Voted yes. The fear and hate folks shouldn’t win the day. Also means Democrats shouldn’t help them by hiding under their desks..
- Calhoun Native - Wednesday, Nov 18, 15 @ 4:41 pm:
We should all recognize the dog whistle of prejudice wrapped in the politics of fear.
- A guy - Wednesday, Nov 18, 15 @ 4:46 pm:
My vote is a soft NO. Really meaning, not yet. There is some thinking that should go into this and we should adopt a policy going forward so we don’t need to go through the agony every time. There should be some rigor to the standards to every soul who enters this country. Each and every one of them could be a potential threat OR a potential Steve Jobs for that matter.
There’s far too much rancor on both sides of this one. My “no” stands for “let’s get an orderly process right” before proceeding. In other words, Let’s lead, but do so prudently.
- Truthines - Wednesday, Nov 18, 15 @ 4:47 pm:
Obviously, not allowing refugees is exactly what DAESH wants us to do. That way, they’re stuck there, where their children will be indoctrinated to hate us.
Glad the “governor” likes making new terrorists. Personally, I’m against terrorism; including the kind Bruce Rauner pushes.
- Keyrock - Wednesday, Nov 18, 15 @ 4:47 pm:
It does seem the Rauner folks are a little embarrassed. They won’t say what they’re actually doing (other than posturing):
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/politics/ct-rauner-administration-wont-say-if-its-cut-off-services-to-syrian-refugees-20151118-story.html
- JackD - Wednesday, Nov 18, 15 @ 4:51 pm:
A guy: what makes you think the orderly process isn’t in place? It’s a federal policy and procedure that is generally applicable, and has been in place for some time, not something needed to be developed for the Syrians.
- Anonymous - Wednesday, Nov 18, 15 @ 4:52 pm:
Never let a crisis go to waste
- wordslinger - Wednesday, Nov 18, 15 @ 4:54 pm:
–California’s governor reportedly said to the White House chief of staff….–
California’s governor? Does he have a name?
It’s very easy to read what Jerry Brown has been saying about this “issue.” It’s quite different from Rauner’s position.
Since the governor’s office is releasing statements, would they care to explain the reasoning for singling out Syrian refugees, as opposed to Iraqis and Afghans, as Crain’s pointed out?
Just a bandwagon jump?
“Well, the the other Republican governors were doing it!”
- olddog - Wednesday, Nov 18, 15 @ 4:54 pm:
Looks like this is characteristic …
http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/govt-and-politics/kevin-mcdermott/ebola-controversy-hits-illinois-governor-s-race/article_b76b4d68-e451-5dac-af2c-08d786399e37.html
- bloval27 - Wednesday, Nov 18, 15 @ 4:54 pm:
Rauner’s idea isn’t wrong as this development shows
http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/18/americas/honduras-syrians-detained/index.html
- 47th Ward - Wednesday, Nov 18, 15 @ 4:55 pm:
===Each and every one of them could be a potential threat OR a potential Steve Jobs for that matter.===
And each and every one of them could be a potential Anne Frank too. How long until you’ll feel like we have a decent vetting process in place guy? How many more toddlers need to wash up on the beach somewhere?
- burt reynolds - Wednesday, Nov 18, 15 @ 4:56 pm:
No Syrian refugees until the Turnaround Agenda is passed.
- Rich Miller - Wednesday, Nov 18, 15 @ 4:56 pm:
bloval27, do you know the difference between a refugee and a traveler?
- Rasselas - Wednesday, Nov 18, 15 @ 4:57 pm:
Voted, yes. The next successful jihadist in the US could be homegrown, could come in as a refugee, could come in as a tourist, could be Islamic, could be of any religion. It is irrational to think we’ve made a measurable impact on the overall risk by singling out the millions of refugees fleeing an appalling war situation because one of them might be a plant and get through the vetting process. (And the person who suggested that we screen out any males of fighting age clearly hasn’t thought past the next 15 minutes — to what use do you think ISIS would put all of those eligible recruits?)
For years now, Sen. McCain and others have thundered that the situation in Syria is so appalling that we should begin our third ground war in a decade to put a stop to it. Why wouldn’t millions be fleeing that situation?
And if the wealthiest nation on the planet can’t take in 10,000 out of the 2,000,000+ refugees (less than 0.5%) because we have other needs, then we have truly lost our humanity.
Lastly, if the GO were truly interesting in having a better understanding of the refugee screening process, a simple phone call to the right person in the federal government would have secured that information. Even Inspector Clousseau can see that this was done to toe the party line, help set up the House and Senate to take a rushed vote in DC and embarrass the President. The impact on our foreign policy interests be damned.
- Ghost - Wednesday, Nov 18, 15 @ 4:58 pm:
we should have learned after 1939 to stop leaving refugees to die.
we should not let the terrorists terrorize us into being afraid to take in those in need…. after all we are a country founded and built by refugees
- Cassandra - Wednesday, Nov 18, 15 @ 5:05 pm:
I think we have to trust that the feds know what they are doing on this one. They wear the jacket, as they say. If problems arise in the near term, they, and the Democrats, will pay a big political price. I’m sure they know that.
All of which makes me wonder why on earth the guv felt he had to say anything at all. He could be “examining the issue” and see what develops. With all he has to do right now, why not keep quiet and let the feds handle this problem, as they should.
- D.P.Gumby - Wednesday, Nov 18, 15 @ 5:08 pm:
Syrian refugees have nothing to do w/ Daesh.
- IL17Progressive - Wednesday, Nov 18, 15 @ 5:41 pm:
I say YES Gov. Brucie should reverse the grandstanding and bandwagon of GOP fear mongering. Gov. Brucie’s action fits with his enormous desire to harm those people who are the most down (refugees with nothing along with all the IL budget cuts). This is another ebola event with the GOP running in circles screaming while saving no one! We already have more domestic terrorists in sovereign citizens, militias, white skinheads, KKK, etc. who activity claim and work to destroy the US structure than will bee Syrian refugees allowed in.
America people have been (except for GOP scaredy cats) successful at incorporating refugees of many cultures and beliefs.
GOP acolytes proclaim America as the world most exceptional country. Yet a small possibility of someone with opposed to their ideas sends them into diarrhea mode.
Begin exceptional means able to invite in, include, understand, and build up others. Maybe even taking a few punches from a tiny # of people. Yet, the exceptional will continuing to welcome more people in. No different than unruly children in school or adults or mental illnesses.
The solution IS NOT screening. The solution is American’s being exceptional in including other cultures, ideas, and people!
- ash - Wednesday, Nov 18, 15 @ 5:44 pm:
I voted yes because this is an illegal move done by Republican governors for purwly political reasons. It has nothing to do with refugees or safety, but rather forcing the federal government (Obama administration) to act. It is all about creating another election issue for the Republican candidates.
- Last Bull Moose - Wednesday, Nov 18, 15 @ 5:46 pm:
People, the screening process is secondary to the assimilation process. Expecting Muslims to automatically assimilate is naive.
Bring in the refugees, but fund programs to fight radicalisation. Or expect a wave of homegrown terrorists.
I lived under Sharia law for 2 years. Unassimilated Muslim youth are a nightmare you do not want. Neither do most Muslims in America. We ignore the threat at our peril.
- @MisterJayEm - Wednesday, Nov 18, 15 @ 6:04 pm:
As we discuss whether Syrian refugees should be kept out our state because they’re from Syria, a gentle reminder of what words mean:
ref·u·gee n. — a person who has been forced to leave their country in order to escape war, persecution, or natural disaster.
xen·o·pho·bic adj. — having or showing a dislike of or prejudice against people from other countries.
cour·age n. — the ability to do something that frightens one.
Just so we’re all on the same page.
– MrJM
- railrat - Wednesday, Nov 18, 15 @ 6:09 pm:
voted very soft no, the USA needs to provide shelter and humanitarian outreach .. but… I just wish there was a groundswell of “hey help use defend our country from the Syrian people that are fleeing !! hey world we don’t want to leave our homeland” give us a safe zone for our families expose us to defense ideas and weapons and we will fight for our history and heritage !! !!! my opinion is we the USA will never be confronted with outside incursion predicated on the fact we will defend our ground !! and basically we are for the most part ALL emigrants !!! the unfortunate reality is it may only take a few out of 10,000 to create a “cell” I’m somewhat embarrassed to error on the side of extreme caution…
- @MisterJayEm - Wednesday, Nov 18, 15 @ 6:30 pm:
This is an anecdotal but illustrative: How a refugee gets to America, explained by an actual refugee http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2015/11/18/9756590/refugee-process-us
Fun fact: Just like native born Americans, actual refugees don’t want to be killed by terrorists either!
– MrJM
- Keyrock - Wednesday, Nov 18, 15 @ 7:14 pm:
Watching Chicago Tonight. The Governor’s office declined to send a representative to explain his position.
- JS Mill - Wednesday, Nov 18, 15 @ 7:42 pm:
MrJM- By your definition weren’t the “Pilgrims” refugees?
I think we have a holiday coming up that celebrates those “refugees”.
Sort of ironic.
- PENSIONS ARE OFF LIMITS - Wednesday, Nov 18, 15 @ 7:53 pm:
Voted
- PENSIONS ARE OFF LIMITS - Wednesday, Nov 18, 15 @ 7:53 pm:
Voted
- PENSIONS ARE OFF LIMITS - Wednesday, Nov 18, 15 @ 8:05 pm:
Voted “No”. Not because of my personal beliefs but because I want this man’s lack of empathy to be on display for all to see.
- justacitizen - Wednesday, Nov 18, 15 @ 8:28 pm:
voted ‘no’. The ISIS terrorism that killed over a hundred innocent people has consequences that may also affect other innocent people such as the refugees.
- JackD - Wednesday, Nov 18, 15 @ 9:09 pm:
railrat@6;09: Their problem is that they are in the middle of a variety of factions, none of which they would probably consider “their country”. This all started in Syria over the local manifestation of the Arab Spring in opposition to Assad’s government and quickly got complicated by a multiplication of groups, some violent,some not, so that there really wasn’t some base country or culture to defend; only multiple armed units to avoid. It’s pretty hard to criticize those trying to escape that nightmare.
- A. Nonymous - Wednesday, Nov 18, 15 @ 11:22 pm:
Do conservatives like Gov. Rauner also think we should return the Statue of Liberty?
They don’t want to live up to the ideals enshrined by the statue, after all. Instead they’d rather snuff out that Shining Beacon on a Hill.
- Georg Sande - Thursday, Nov 19, 15 @ 6:00 am:
It again appears that this space has a pretty prominent disconnect to our larger society … so far as the accuracy of the applicable polls go. But the gap on this issue? Wide. Really wide. Could it be because this space is dominated by government employees? http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2015-11-18/bloomberg-poll-most-americans-oppose-syrian-refugee-resettlement
- NoGifts - Thursday, Nov 19, 15 @ 6:14 am:
Yes, because this doesn’t do anything to keep terrorists out. They exist in countries all over the world (even our own home grown ones) and singling out syrian refugees doesn’t do anything to improve the situation.
- Oswego Willy - Thursday, Nov 19, 15 @ 6:26 am:
===Could it be because this space is dominated by government employees?===
- Georg Sande -,
What does one have to do with the other?
Your mouth-breathing, “get off my lawn” commentary adds nothing. You can’t even make sense… to make your ignorance seem like logical thinking.
You are a troll. I’m only highlighting this here because only you can have state employees and this poll equate to… I dunno.
Pathetic.
- Ben Franklin - Thursday, Nov 19, 15 @ 7:29 am:
It’s probably another one of the Governor’s “Wedge” strategies.
- Ian - Thursday, Nov 19, 15 @ 7:30 am:
The Chicago City Council vote yesterday to support a resolution to welcome Syrian refugees. Forty eight (48) councilmen voted in favor of the resolution. Who were the two who did not vote or voted no?
- wordslinger - Thursday, Nov 19, 15 @ 7:46 am:
Who, exactly, on the governor’s staff wants information on the 21 Syrian refugees? What kind of information? What do they plan to do with it? What is their authority under the law?
Currently, the state’s chief executive has information on 50,000 Illinoisans who have been denied or had their FOID cards cards revoked because they have been found, under due process of state law, to pose a threat to themselves or others due to mental illness.
The governor is charged under the Constitution with faithfully executing the laws of the state. What is the governor doing right now to ensure that those identified as mentally ill are not in possession of guns, in violation of the law?
Twenty-one Syrian refugees; 50,000 possibly armed mentally ill people.
Which is the public safety priority here?
- Last Bull Moose - Thursday, Nov 19, 15 @ 8:05 am:
Highest priority would go to controlling the illegal trade in recreational drugs. 633 Heroin overdose deaths plus high levels of street violence should drive us to action.
The Syrian refugees are a distraction at rhe state level.
- internal angel - Thursday, Nov 19, 15 @ 8:45 am:
Incidentally all the Paris atackers were EU citizens, the youngest was age 15. The planted Syrian passport was just that-who takes their passport to a bombing? The refugee concern was then the blowback effect. Intended or not.
- Dilemma - Thursday, Nov 19, 15 @ 8:56 am:
==”what doesnt help is snarky comments from the President who seems to be all about hes right and everyuone who has a different opinion is wrong.”==
This is rich. How many snarky comments were made about everything the President has done in the last 7 years? The ACA ring a bell? Turn on any media that claims to not be mainstream and you hear nothing but snarky comments assuming they are right, and everyone who disagrees is not just wrong, but somehow part of an evil agenda. I’m tired of Americans who have different opinions being pitted against each other. Perhaps the President could have been a little less “snarky” but he was correct. There is nothing that can be gained by having political opponents embolden our enemies (remember that phrase from years past?) At some point, if we are talking about national security, it would be nice if we all stood together like we did after 9/11. When did patriotism and unity go out the window in favor of political gamesmanship?