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*** UPDATED x3 - Kerthunk! *** Where we stand now
Tuesday, May 31, 2016 - Posted by Rich Miller * 9:09 pm - Senate Democratic rank and file pushed back very hard against Senate President Cullerton’s advocacy for Speaker Madigan’s budget bill, and as a result…
So now it becomes a test of wills between the Senate and the House. The Senate Democrats are tired of being forced to vote for a House budget for the umpteenth time, which is a big reason why the caucus rejected the House proposal. The Senate has advanced a stand-alone education bill to the floor which funds K-12 and higher education. But it’s not at all clear that it will pass the House if it clears the Senate because it provides $200 million a year for CPS pensions and the House just had to pull a $100 million subsidy out of the record because of widespread opposition. There’s a procedural problem. * I have no idea what’s going to happen next, which is why I love this stuff. The House could wind up forcing the Senate’s hand, or they could adjourn with nothing passing, or the Senate could find a way to get something else done. As always, keep an eye on our live coverage post for immediate updates. *** UPDATE 1 *** The Senate has passed its stand-alone education funding bill and soundly thumped the House’s approp bill. *** UPDATE 2 *** So, what’s the next move? The House will take up the Senate’s stand-alone education funding bill. If that dies, Madigan’s spokesman says the next step will likely be to work on a stopgap budget with the governor’s office, which could take a week or two. *** UPDATE 3 *** The House defeated the Senate’s stand-alone education bill by a lopsided 24-92 vote. Budget and non-budget working groups convene in the morning. Attempts will be made to structure a stopgap budget bill. More tomorrow. And check out the governor’s public schedule for Wednesday…
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- Lil Squeezy - Tuesday, May 31, 16 @ 9:19 pm:
I only see one senate apron bill in the House under legislative reports- senate appropriations bills
- ThisAndThat - Tuesday, May 31, 16 @ 9:20 pm:
Looks like HB 4232 is an approp bill still in the Senate and on 3rd reading.
- 47th Ward - Tuesday, May 31, 16 @ 9:29 pm:
The Cubs and Dodgers are scoreless at the stretch. Arriett just got out of a little bases-loaded jam, and may be done for tonight. It’ll be up the bats and the bullpen to get this one and keep the streak alive.
- unclesam - Tuesday, May 31, 16 @ 9:31 pm:
ThisAndThat is correct about HB 4232.
Also, the Senate could pass HB 2990 and then adjourn…leaving the House to take it up or leave it on the schedule.
That would be the biggest story.
- Oswego Willy - Tuesday, May 31, 16 @ 9:33 pm:
- 47th Ward -
How cool was the stretch, sung by Vin Scully via videotape of a game long past on the video board, sings “Cubbies” too.
Great half inning all the way around.
- peon - Tuesday, May 31, 16 @ 9:35 pm:
What have we, the peasantry, done to deserve our state government ? It must have been something very bad.
- an independent - Tuesday, May 31, 16 @ 9:37 pm:
This is Rich Miller at his finest. Nowhere can you get this other than here.
- an independent - Tuesday, May 31, 16 @ 9:41 pm:
Yes, peon, very bad. Refused to accept the necessity of the Quinn tax hike. Anguished screams of 67% increase drowned out reality. That luxury of electing the businessman to spite that reality is and will come at a very heavy financial cost.
- Almost the Weekend - Tuesday, May 31, 16 @ 9:42 pm:
Is the unified Dem front starting to break? The funny thing is Rauner might not have anything to do with it. I don’t blame Senate Dems, all those budgets and not even including pension reform a couple years ago the Senate knew was unconstitutional.
- Nick Name - Tuesday, May 31, 16 @ 9:43 pm:
“What have we, the peasantry, done to deserve our state government ? It must have been something very bad.”
We voted for it.
- Norseman - Tuesday, May 31, 16 @ 9:43 pm:
Well this will allow the Senate Dems to cover for the Cullerton mistake.
This also uncovers the disagreements between the GA Dems.
Rauner will hate the bill, but will love the Dem dissension.
- Storm Cloud - Tuesday, May 31, 16 @ 9:45 pm:
Are they running the Madigan budget now?
- Oswego Willy - Tuesday, May 31, 16 @ 9:49 pm:
===Well this will allow the Senate Dems to cover for the Cullerton mistake.===
Yep. Exactly.
- Norseman - Tuesday, May 31, 16 @ 9:52 pm:
That was a low blow but effective blow Matt.
- Oswego Willy - Tuesday, May 31, 16 @ 9:59 pm:
Rauner may get out of this mess of a day exactly where he, Rauner, wanted Madigan.
Interesting.
- Anon221 - Tuesday, May 31, 16 @ 10:00 pm:
What was the vote scorecard on the budget bill? Who were the 10 present (not that it would have tipped to 30)?
- 47th Ward - Tuesday, May 31, 16 @ 10:01 pm:
The bullpen didn’t get it done tonight. Dodgers 2, Cubs 0 going to the bottom of the 8th. Now it’s up to the bats, with only six more outs left.
- Anon221 - Tuesday, May 31, 16 @ 10:06 pm:
OW- if the House approves the Senate Ed bill, and Rauner signs it, we are right back to 2015 again, just on another parallel path. Rauner won’t have to budge on his Turns, the 3 Cs cover some very expensive spending, piecemealing takes place, and even more pain is inflicted on those forced from the table.
- Oswego Willy - Tuesday, May 31, 16 @ 10:08 pm:
===*** UPDATE 2 *** So, what’s the next move? The House will take up the Senate’s stand-alone education funding bill. If that dies, Madigan’s spokesman says the next step will likely be to work on a stopgap budget with the governor’s office, which could take a week or two.===
It then needs 71 and 36.
Maybe the ILGOP should stop gloating about the Dem catastrophe for a minute or 8 and think on how many GOP “Green” a deal is going to mean.
- Oswego Willy - Tuesday, May 31, 16 @ 10:09 pm:
- Anon221 -
See “UpdateX2″…
- Anon221 - Tuesday, May 31, 16 @ 10:12 pm:
OW- Thanks:) I was typing my post when it was being posted. And, I agree with you on the hubris of gloating.
- From the 'Dale to HP - Tuesday, May 31, 16 @ 10:18 pm:
Anyone see this coming 24 hours ago?
Dems fall apart and GOP might get what they didn’t want. …Springfield man…
- Mama - Tuesday, May 31, 16 @ 10:18 pm:
What happened that caused the Senate Dems to break with the House Dems?
- 47th Ward - Tuesday, May 31, 16 @ 10:20 pm:
Oof, 5-0 Dodgers, top nine. Still no outs.
I don’t wanna talk about it no more.
- Mama - Tuesday, May 31, 16 @ 10:22 pm:
If the House concurs, what happens to the rest of the budget?
- Nick Name - Tuesday, May 31, 16 @ 10:26 pm:
“Maybe the ILGOP should stop gloating about the Dem catastrophe for a minute or 8 and think on how many GOP “Green” a deal is going to mean.”
Madigan’s game all along?
- Oswego Willy - Tuesday, May 31, 16 @ 10:29 pm:
If you’re going to have Rauner “pay” for flipping on Cullerton’s deal and making it his own, the best way is to make sure it’s 71 and 36.
I said that earlier as well. However, geez what a mess to get there(?)
- Thoughts Matter - Tuesday, May 31, 16 @ 10:31 pm:
For the love of ***. Please pass a real budget. A stop gap just holds most of us hostage while the kids get to go to school.,this is no way to run a state.
- ILPundit - Tuesday, May 31, 16 @ 10:32 pm:
I understand the SenDem frustration. But if they felt that way, why didn’t they pass their own budget?
- Oswego Willy - Tuesday, May 31, 16 @ 10:40 pm:
From earlier…
- Oswego Willy - Tuesday, May 31, 16 @ 6:28 pm
To the Post,
The thing that makes the most sense (yikes, these sense to any of this?) to me is the following.
Agree to the Rauner and Cullerton stop gap idea…
So it after tonight…
Make it a Super-Majority vote…
Structured roll calls and approved GOP votes on the measure…
Absolute clean signature.
But, the rub is… after midnight.
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Probably the best “outcome”(?)
- SinkingShip - Tuesday, May 31, 16 @ 10:40 pm:
Can someone explain to me how this is a Dem “catastrophe?” No one honestly believed it was a viable budget, and ILGOP needs to realize the significance of their boss quivering hard on his TA-tethered budget demands today re: stop gap. Good on the SenDems for acting reasonably. Now. Talk.
- siriusly - Tuesday, May 31, 16 @ 10:47 pm:
IL Pundit has a point there. Yes, the House budget was a joke. But where is yours?
- Mama - Tuesday, May 31, 16 @ 10:57 pm:
==Statement from Senate President John Cullerton’s spokesman John Patterson regarding stop gap legislation filed today in the General Assembly: “We are hopeful this is a serious effort toward meaningful compromise and not just material for news conferences and political games.
“It is constitutionally impossible for the General Assembly to pass today the proposals the Republicans first filed today.
“It’s unfortunate that they chose to criticize rather than support this idea last week when the Senate President first suggested it. “Had they seen the light then, we could have worked through the weekend and had a bipartisan compromise ready today.” ==
Is it to late to do Cullerton’s stopgap now?
- Amalia - Tuesday, May 31, 16 @ 11:03 pm:
that’s a bunch of Dems votin’ a la Barack.
- Anonymous - Tuesday, May 31, 16 @ 11:26 pm:
Maybe the FY17 state worker pay will come in a stopgap just prior to July 1.
- Anon221 - Tuesday, May 31, 16 @ 11:46 pm:
3/5ths land here we go!
- Mama - Tuesday, May 31, 16 @ 11:54 pm:
No winners - only losers! Both sides of the aisle lost.
- Oswego Willy - Tuesday, May 31, 16 @ 11:57 pm:
Welp, tomorrow begins a new day.
I could use a Yuengling about now.
- Formerly Known As... - Wednesday, Jun 1, 16 @ 12:08 am:
This was amazing.
Every citizen of this state owes the Senate Dems for trying to force some sanity upon this process. Madigan took his ball and went home, again.
Senate Dems now have all the leverage. I may not even care any more how this ends up, I am just glad to see them finally stand up for themselves.
- Formerly Known As... - Wednesday, Jun 1, 16 @ 12:11 am:
==@MarkBrownCST
House Speaker Mike Madigan never came to House floor for debate on final bill-or to give his traditional adjournment speech.==
Bitter and uncompromising to the very end.
- LINK - Wednesday, Jun 1, 16 @ 12:15 am:
That Rauner must have some Ked’s running shoes on to crisscross Illinois on that schedule!!!
- Norseman - Wednesday, Jun 1, 16 @ 12:16 am:
Tonight was about the Dems. Each chamber’s Dem caucus sent a message to the other that they will not be taken for granted by the other. While this has happened before, this time it is occurring at a time when they are faced with a strong and unified foe of so much they philosophically believe in. It’s long passed time where Cullerton bucks up and demands that Madigan work him on a unified Dem approach to ending the impasse. It’s time for Madigan to give his former protege and fellow Dem leader the respect he deserves. Failing to do so will make it easier for Rauner to highlight their dissension and make inroads into Dem membership.
Learn from tonight’s rebuke gentleman. Much of Rauner’s agenda is wrong and what he has wrought is almost criminal to attain that agenda. Learn the lesson from our state’s most beloved figure - a house divided against itself cannot stand.
- Jorge - Wednesday, Jun 1, 16 @ 12:37 am:
FKA, we are finally in agreement. If Rauner will about face and sign off on medmar I’m pretty sure a budget compromise can be reached. Obviously I’m no fan of the man but his recent actions have shown an ability to shift position and compromise. Good and desperately needed signs for the state.
- Anonymous - Wednesday, Jun 1, 16 @ 1:16 am:
Advantage to the Democrats after today’s actions. From reading the Nuding memo, it becomes clear that certain state agency operations are in imminent danger of a melt-down. Apparently, Revenue is out of money for postage. Without postage, they can’t send out tax assessments. If the assessments don’t go out in time the statute of limitations runs and the taxes can’t be assessed. The reference to cigarette tax stamps also likely means that the supplier of the tax stamps is threatening to cut off further supplies without payment. Tax stamps are a rather sophisticated product to prevent fake stamps. Without tax stamps cigarettes can’t be sold. Think of the public outcry . . . .
- Formerly Known As... - Wednesday, Jun 1, 16 @ 1:19 am:
Jorge - It is good to read that, no snark. Rich’s earlier post about Rauner and Cullerton’s ability to compromise on a short term budget was also a good and desperately needed sign for the state.
Madigan’s refusal to negotiate or compromise was surprising. It turned out not to be a tactic for a last minute deal this time, but appears more of a personal decision made by ego or emotion.
- Formerly Known As... - Wednesday, Jun 1, 16 @ 1:31 am:
==the Democrats after today’s actions==
4 years without a balanced budget. 14 years of deficits. No major reforms passed by the GA. No alternatives. No compromise being offered.
That is a recipe for incumbent disaster in November. This would be different if the GA had passed some alternative reforms or the state was operating well, or even normally, before Rauner. Tonight buys time for a compromise, and the Senate Dems now have a clear advantage in negotiations over Madigan. He is about to NO himself out of relevance if he continues as he is.
- Harvest76 - Wednesday, Jun 1, 16 @ 1:41 am:
Is that his farewell tour schedule?
- RNUG - Wednesday, Jun 1, 16 @ 4:07 am:
Interesting schedule for Rauner on Wednesday. Especially given the fact WCIA out of Champaign earlier tonight was spinning the freestanding education funding and the 6 month stop-gap budget as done deals.
With the last minute introduction of the Gov’s stop-gap budget bills, today’s public relations “victory lap”, plus the spin by certain news sources, I’m becoming convinced the BigBrain trust doesn’t really understand the procedure for getting legislation done.
Someone needs to explain you have to actually pass the legislation first before you can brag about winning. Just stopping the other side’s legislation doesn’t automatically get your side’s passed.
- DuPage Dave - Wednesday, Jun 1, 16 @ 5:49 am:
There were some pretty dramatic moments, to be sure, last night. Let’s hope the drama turns into some real action.
Rauner’s proposal seems legit but perhaps it would seem more sincere if he hadn’t waited until the last day to make it. After a year and a half of saying no budget until the “agenda” is passed, he bails on it? Something doesn’t add up.
- cdog - Wednesday, Jun 1, 16 @ 6:07 am:
Rauner is like a big old catfish laying on the shore, flopping around out of water.
Madigan is the eagle in the tree watching all that flip flopping.
…
In true nature, the eagle would never have mercy on the prey.
I hope Madigan surprises and has a gracious 2year budget plan that helps ALL the middle class ready to go soon.
- Rod - Wednesday, Jun 1, 16 @ 6:28 am:
There has never been Democrat unity on Senator Manar’s K-12 education bill, there has been no new split on that issue. As for the Senate Democrats being the voice of reason, I question that. How is Don Harmon’s support for Manar’s SB231 which hit Oak Park hard reasonable, how is Sen Lightford’s K-12 fusion bill HB 3190 rational since we have wildly different estimates on the cost of the evidence-based weights in FY18 and thereafter in the bill.
We also had the Republicans tagging on additional millions to their K-12 bill,HB6583/SB3434, to allow for hold harmless provisions without the revenue to support it. What a waste of time this has all been.
- Commonsense in Illinois - Wednesday, Jun 1, 16 @ 6:36 am:
It would appear Governor, who sold the state’s air fleet, has either discovered steel birds, or has gotten hold of a transporter…
- Chucktownian - Wednesday, Jun 1, 16 @ 6:54 am:
I’m so tired of these preening do-nothings in Springfield. For goodness sake, get your act together. Sigh.
- Wensicia - Wednesday, Jun 1, 16 @ 7:04 am:
Since the governor came up with brand new idea (cough) of a stopgap budget at the last minute, can he finally declare victory over the defeat of the House budget so we can move on and get this done?
- Nick Name - Wednesday, Jun 1, 16 @ 7:12 am:
“…these preening do-nothings in Springfield…”
As opposed to the preening do-nothing governor who today will be in Alton, Vienna, Mahomet, Quincy, and Pekin?
- @MisterJayEm - Wednesday, Jun 1, 16 @ 7:15 am:
“This would be different if *** the state was operating well, or even normally, before Rauner.”
“Last night, Little Billy was run down by a speeding truck.”
“Oh well — Billy was pretty sickly even before the truck.”
– MrJM
- Honeybear - Wednesday, Jun 1, 16 @ 7:39 am:
Good God, what superstar sent him to Alton Mental Health? The 799’s are rabid. We rode the bus with them to the rally. This is going to be ugly.
- Anon221 - Wednesday, Jun 1, 16 @ 7:51 am:
How many traffic laws will Rauner and his entourage break today???
Using Google Maps:
Springfield to Alton, 82.6 mi, 1 hr 27 min
Alton to Vienna, 164 mi, 2 hr 24 min
Vienna to Mahomet, 220 mi, 3 hr, 16 min
Mahomet to Quincy, 192 mi, 2 hr 55 min
Quincy to Pekin, 122 mi, 2 hr 18 min
SuperStar math meets SuperStar travel planning????
- Chucktownian - Wednesday, Jun 1, 16 @ 7:54 am:
Nick: they all deserve opprobrium. The governor does own most of it (governors own vetoes) but I’m tired of the whole lot of them at the moment. I probably get to keep skipping a week of work every month here at EIU if not more. I’m sick of this.
- Trolling Troll - Wednesday, Jun 1, 16 @ 8:14 am:
Anon221
Not to mention there is no good way to get from Quincy to Pekin. I’d say it’s more like a 3 hour trip. Even at trooper speed.
- Anonymous - Wednesday, Jun 1, 16 @ 8:17 am:
== It would appear Governor, who sold the state’s air fleet, has either discovered steel birds, or has gotten hold of a transporter… ==
If he’s hired a copter, I wonder if it is coming out of his pocket, his campaign fund, or the state’s?
- RNUG - Wednesday, Jun 1, 16 @ 8:18 am:
8:17am is I. Too early in the morning to catch forms not being filled in.
- Wensicia - Wednesday, Jun 1, 16 @ 8:21 am:
Maybe Rauner borrowed Marine One from Obama.
- @MisterJayEm - Wednesday, Jun 1, 16 @ 8:44 am:
“Governor Discusses Fully Funded Stopgap Budget and Clean Education Bill”
Can’t help but notice that the event’s wording doesn’t specify whether Gov. Rauner currently supports or rejects a Fully Funded Stopgap Budget and Clean Education Bill. I wonder if the person writing up his schedule even knows what the governor’s principled position was/is/will be?
In any case, a smart staffer will always give Bruce the option, as he travels between events, to once again switch his stance.
– MrJM
- No Use For A Name - Wednesday, Jun 1, 16 @ 8:46 am:
“Oh well - Billy was pretty sickly even before the truck.”
That is funny, but backwards. Mike Madigan is driving the truck that hit Billy. He has been the last four years, and again last night.
- From the 'Dale to HP - Wednesday, Jun 1, 16 @ 8:52 am:
Not to be over looked: if the Senate Dems have found their voice, then Rauner’s in a whole lot more trouble.
- Winnin' - Wednesday, Jun 1, 16 @ 8:54 am:
Did Rauner blink?
If so, who / what made him blink, do you think?
- Chucktownian - Wednesday, Jun 1, 16 @ 8:54 am:
There are times I really wish I could click a “like” button on here. The GOP knows they’re facing Armageddon in November without something resolved so they’re flailing around trying to make it about the Dems. If Governor “Principles-Sminciples” had dropped his Turnaround Agenda a few months back (not on the last day of the session) we’d probably have a full budget by now.
- YSW - Wednesday, Jun 1, 16 @ 8:58 am:
Anyone have the stopgap bill number? Does it really zero out MAP grants?
- Fallon - Wednesday, Jun 1, 16 @ 9:02 am:
Does anyone have the names of the 17 who vote for the budget?
- Triple fat - Wednesday, Jun 1, 16 @ 9:14 am:
I think the Governor and ILGOP require 2 more weeks left hanging in order to be fully cured of their wrongheadedness.
Make that my prediction of the events to follow.
- Fusion - Wednesday, Jun 1, 16 @ 9:15 am:
@Fallon,
Go to ilga site, type in SB2048, scroll to the bottom, click on vote totals and it will bring up the pdf.
- Fallon - Wednesday, Jun 1, 16 @ 9:39 am:
@Fusion, thank you. I listed all of them but it must not have made it through…
- Big Joe - Wednesday, Jun 1, 16 @ 9:45 am:
I was thinking the same as Chucktownian. If Brucie wold drop the TA items, we might have had a full budget a long time ago. That is why I am convinced that we might never have a full budget until Rauner is voted out of office.
- @MisterJayEm - Wednesday, Jun 1, 16 @ 10:07 am:
“Madigan has controlled Springfield since [insert time-line that is most advantageous for today’s argument].”
– MrJM