Rauner’s new favorite word
Monday, Jun 27, 2016 - Posted by Rich Miller
* June 20th Tribune…
Rauner, who described himself as a free-market conservative, went so far as to say that Illinois is being damaged by a “collectivist economy,” employing a term generally used to suggest communist or socialist influence.
“We’ve become a collectivist economy in Illinois. It’s crushing us. And no problem is going to get fixed unless we bring more economic freedom into the state. And I believe that very passionately,” the governor said.
“That’s going to kill us in the long run. I’ve got to change that. And the other issues, we can debate, but that one I have to stay very strong on,” he said.
* And today, when asked about a harsh editorial by Crain’s Chicago Business…
* Merriam Webster…
Full Definition of collectivism
1: a political or economic theory advocating collective control especially over production and distribution; also : a system marked by such control
2: emphasis on collective rather than individual action or identity
* From Ayn Rand…
Collectivism does not preach sacrifice as a temporary means to some desirable end. Sacrifice is its end—sacrifice as a way of life. It is man’s independence, success, prosperity, and happiness that collectivists wish to destroy.
Observe the snarling, hysterical hatred with which they greet any suggestion that sacrifice is not necessary, that a non-sacrificial society is possible to men, that it is the only society able to achieve man’s well-being.
* From a recent Crain’s editorial, entitled “One more burden, and Chicago businesses might break”…
Chicago, as anyone in business knows, has a lot to offer. But lately government seems to be going out of its way to negate these pluses. Let’s hope the City Council doesn’t heap yet another burden on job creators with a well-meaning but ill-thought-out law requiring employers to offer five days of paid sick leave a year to employees.
* From the Crain’s endorsement of Bruce Rauner in the 2014 Republican primary…
Mr. Rauner understands employers’ priorities and promises to bring a pro-business message to Springfield. He also pledges to put renewed vigor and energy into the state’s marketing efforts and outreach to business.
Illinois could use such a cheerleader. Despite its current straits, this state still has a lot going for it, including global transportation connections, a thriving arts and cultural scene, leading universities, Fortune 500 companies and a close-knit business community that’s accustomed to taking on big civic projects. Putting a businessman in the driver’s seat in Springfield will send a positive message to employers that Illinois is serious about reform and ready to embrace a pro-growth agenda.
* From the Crain’s endorsement of Bruce Rauner in the 2014 general election…
Mr. Rauner’s experience as a private-equity investor would benefit Springfield. Government isn’t the same as business, of course. As head of the state’s executive branch, the governor wields real power, but it’s less than that of a chief executive. Still, Mr. Rauner would bring the much-needed perspective of a private-sector leader. And he has a sharp eye for efficiency, something that bloated state government desperately needs.
He is no politician, and that is a good thing.
Mr. Rauner promises reforms that would lessen the burdens on business and promote entrepreneurship, including cutting red tape, making common-sense changes to workers’ compensation and revitalizing the state agency that should be hustling to bring business to Illinois, the Department of Commerce and Economic Opportunity. He has said he would become the state’s top recruiter. We believe him. […]
Illinois is badly in need of a fresh spirit of confidence that we can tackle the problems that lie ahead. A natural salesman in the best sense of the word, Mr. Rauner will convey a renewed sense of optimism about the future, replacing the funk in which Illinois finds itself. […]
If elected, Mr. Rauner likely would face stiff opposition in the Democratic-controlled Legislature. Still, his relationship with the Democratic leadership is unlikely to be worse than Mr. Quinn’s, and could be better, by putting honest differences on the table.
Yep. Collectivists. For sure.
Sheesh.
- Chicago Cynic - Monday, Jun 27, 16 @ 11:49 am:
So they weren’t collectivists when they endorsed him in 2014 and reported on his business activities for the previous 25 years, but DEFINITELY are now that they don’t like him. Brilliant!
- Anonymous - Monday, Jun 27, 16 @ 11:49 am:
When I Googled “collectivism,” I got this from dictionary.com: “Collectivism is a political theory associated with communism. More broadly, it is the idea that people should prioritize the good of society over the welfare of the individual.”
I just posted a comment on it to another thread, but it fits better here: This guy is a hard-right wingnut, there’s no other word for it. If Crain’s Chicago Business is “collectivist,” I am the general secretary of the Council of People’s Commissars of the Russian Soviet Federative Socialist Republic.
- Oswego Willy - Monday, Jun 27, 16 @ 11:49 am:
Is this use just a dog whistle tool to keep conservative Republicans from realizing the collectively bad decision as a group the GOP has made to make Raunerites out of free thinkers.
“If Gov. Rauner sees this as a collectivist, maybe he’s more like us than we thought?”
Words and definitions are not Raunerite strong suits?
Then again, purposeful squeezing of the beast is sold as being a passive bystander of Speaker Madigan’s unlimited powers…
- Demoralized - Monday, Jun 27, 16 @ 11:50 am:
The Governor has gone off the rails here. This is the kind of comments you expect in the realm of comments sections on news sites, not from the Governor of a state.
- olddog - Monday, Jun 27, 16 @ 11:50 am:
Anonymous at 11:49 was me. My bad.
- BBG Watch - Monday, Jun 27, 16 @ 11:52 am:
== This guy is a hard-right wingnut, there’s no other word for it. If Crain’s Chicago Business is “collectivist,” I am the general secretary of the Council of People’s Commissars of the Russian Soviet Federative Socialist Republic. ==
Olddog - This is great!
- Curious - Monday, Jun 27, 16 @ 11:55 am:
It’s hard to tell if this new favorite word is the real Rauner or a new way to package his economic “doctrine.” Did he ever say this on the campaign trail? Either he’s just picking and choosing what he wants to believe and subscribe to in order to fit his immediate political needs, or his comments about not believing in the minimum wage that he walked back during the campaign were 100% accurate. Or, I guess, it’s both.
- Sir Reel - Monday, Jun 27, 16 @ 11:58 am:
What exactly does he mean? Saying stuff like this without explaining why is dumb. Does he think he should be given unlimited powers to fight the commie hoard?
Then he’s totalitarian. He wants a totalitarian economy. Nothing will get done until we solve this. He’s crushing us and I believe that passionately.
Makes as much sense.
- JPC - Monday, Jun 27, 16 @ 12:01 pm:
@Demoralized and OW nail it. Rauner is the Tribune comments section come to life. You cannot seriously expect people to believe that Quinn and the Democrats, who spent years quietly gutting public institutions, are communists.
- Norseman - Monday, Jun 27, 16 @ 12:03 pm:
Rauner’s use of words, like Trump, is intended to illicit a negative reaction against and fear of those he opposes. His Raunerspeak dictionary has just increased by one.
Sad, but not unique to Rauner and Trump.
- 47th Ward - Monday, Jun 27, 16 @ 12:03 pm:
Ayn Rand is to economics as L. Ron Hubbard is to religion.
- In 630 - Monday, Jun 27, 16 @ 12:03 pm:
Calling Crain’s collectivist is some John Birch Society stuff.
- ArchPundit - Monday, Jun 27, 16 @ 12:04 pm:
=Ayn Rand is to economics as L. Ron Hubbard is to religion.
And both are two writing what they are to economics and religion. It’s not just dumb, it’s written badly.
- ArchPundit - Monday, Jun 27, 16 @ 12:05 pm:
==Calling Crain’s collectivist is some John Birch Society stuff.
My grandmother is now running/ruining the State of Illinois. I loved my grandmother deeply, but she should not have been in charge of a car pool let alone a state.
- Honeybear - Monday, Jun 27, 16 @ 12:08 pm:
–the idea that people should prioritize the good of society over the welfare of the individual.”–
Exactly so and that is why Rauner doesn’t like it. He doesn’t want to help the poor, the elderly, the disabled, the vulnerable. He isolates himself in a bubble of privilege and forgets everyone else. He is only interested in making his investments grow by stripmining the state for corporate welfare like EDGE tax incentives.
- HangingOn - Monday, Jun 27, 16 @ 12:09 pm:
So Spock was a collectivist when he said the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few?
- G'Kar - Monday, Jun 27, 16 @ 12:09 pm:
There are two novels that can transform a governor’s life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish daydream that can lead to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood in which large chunks of the day are spent inventing ways to make real life more like a fantasy novel. The other is a book about orcs.
With apologies to John Rogers.
- Mama - Monday, Jun 27, 16 @ 12:09 pm:
“Then he’s totalitarian. He wants a totalitarian economy. Nothing will get done until we solve this. He’s crushing us and I believe that passionately.”
Sir Reel, you hit the nail squarely on the head.
- steve schnorf - Monday, Jun 27, 16 @ 12:10 pm:
I think at least one problem with using “collectivist” is that it is a word 99+% of citizens have never used in a sentence in their life nor heard anyone else use.
- Norseman - Monday, Jun 27, 16 @ 12:11 pm:
=== … unless we bring more economic freedom into the state ===
Harrumph, harrumph, yes Brucie you need to advocate for the elimination of all those late 19th early 20th century bad business reforms like anti-trust laws, child labor laws, food safety laws, etc. Those darn liberal Republicans like Teddy Roosevelt and Taft really ruined the business community. Now Rauner will save us all.
- pundent - Monday, Jun 27, 16 @ 12:13 pm:
So has Rauner gone from blaming Madigan to blaming all of us?
- anon - Monday, Jun 27, 16 @ 12:14 pm:
Perhaps a reporter can ask the Governor if he’s a Randian. He wouldn’t be the first conservative to have been shaped by Atlas Shrugged. Paul Ryan used to sing Rand’s praises, until someone pointed out she was an outspoken atheist.
- wordslinger - Monday, Jun 27, 16 @ 12:15 pm:
“I have here in my hand a list - a list of 60 - no 80, no, make it 100 — collectivists in the General Assembly known to Speaker Madigan.
They and their fellow travelers like Crains Chicago Business have but one goal: to sap and impurify all of our precious bodily fluids.”
- Ducky LaMoore - Monday, Jun 27, 16 @ 12:16 pm:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=et-s_GnUNBw
Finally those capitalist pigs will pay for their crimes, eh comrades?
Oh yeah, and Dwight Eisenhower… commie….. /s
- blue dog dem - Monday, Jun 27, 16 @ 12:18 pm:
I have many,many times referred to the Governor as a hypocrite. A ‘free market conservative’ would never agree to tax incentives through the likes of DCEO that create advantages for one business over another. If he doesn’t like certain tax policies, work to change them. For everybody.
- northsider (the original) - Monday, Jun 27, 16 @ 12:19 pm:
Gasp– this is the preamble to the collectivist constitution the Governor took an oath to uphold:
We, the People of the State of Illinois - grateful to Almighty God for the civil, political and religious liberty which He has permitted us to enjoy and seeking His blessing
upon our endeavors - in order to provide for the health,safety and welfare of the people; maintain a representative and orderly government; eliminate poverty and inequality;
assure legal, social and economic justice; provide opportunity for the fullest development of the individual;insure domestic tranquility; provide for the common defense;and secure the blessings of freedom and liberty to ourselves
and our posterity - do ordain and establish this Constitution for the State of Illinois.
Do you think he knew he was signin’up for all that welfare and social and economic justice stuff?
- 47th Ward - Monday, Jun 27, 16 @ 12:20 pm:
Lol Word.
Mandrake, have you ever seen the Governor drink a glass of water?
- Delimma - Monday, Jun 27, 16 @ 12:20 pm:
The thing that caught my attention was the hope that the governor would be an effective “cheerleader for the state.” Frankly, that’s the one thing he could do without Madigan and the people he controls.
- Tec - Monday, Jun 27, 16 @ 12:22 pm:
Alan Greenspan loved Rand too until the 2008 crash and he realized she was wrong.
- Newsclown - Monday, Jun 27, 16 @ 12:22 pm:
Maybe if we collectively contributed about 5.6% of our income to a central pool of funds, then the Governor could allocate that money to where it does the most good for the widest spectrum of citizens.
A crazy notion, to be sure.
- Skeptic - Monday, Jun 27, 16 @ 12:22 pm:
“So has Rauner gone from blaming Madigan to blaming all of us?” Michael Madigan and the tax payers he controls…
- Newsclown - Monday, Jun 27, 16 @ 12:24 pm:
obligatory:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2y8Sx4B2Sk
- Mama - Monday, Jun 27, 16 @ 12:24 pm:
== IL Statehouse tweets @SJRthedome “Rauner says no bailout for Chicago schools as part of budget agreement” ow.ly/129j501OOWl ==
Rauner want Chicago Public Schools to go bankrupt. Why? He hates their teachers union.
- 360 Degree Turnaround - Monday, Jun 27, 16 @ 12:29 pm:
Is collectivism just another word for democracy? The collective majority wins?
- 360 Degree Turnaround - Monday, Jun 27, 16 @ 12:30 pm:
This is the most elitist comment he has made while in office
- Honeybear - Monday, Jun 27, 16 @ 12:32 pm:
—. A ‘free market conservative’ would never agree to tax incentives through the likes of DCEO that create advantages for one business over another—
EXACTLY!!!!!! I think the EDGE tax incentives report for 2015 comes out this week. It’s going to be stunning I bet. Now enterprise zones I’m a less grumpy at because they really do help the “little guys” in the zone, especially downstate. But EDGE is corporate welfare in the worst way. Most of the companies receiving them have no tax liability in the first place.
- Cook County Commoner - Monday, Jun 27, 16 @ 12:33 pm:
Before Gov. Rauner starts trying to label Illinois with contemporary concepts, he should start with more primitive concepts to build a foundation.
I would recommend feudalism as a good starting point. He may not have to go much further when looking for a pigeonhole for Illinois.
- Cook County Commoner - Monday, Jun 27, 16 @ 12:36 pm:
Maybe the Governor should study feudalism with nuances of Machiavellian thought before he starts ascribing economic labels to Illinois.
- WIUOblivion - Monday, Jun 27, 16 @ 12:37 pm:
Of course I’m a collectivist — I’ve helped collect donations for people out of work because of our fearless leader governor’s non-governing.
- Huh? - Monday, Jun 27, 16 @ 12:40 pm:
Boy, oh boy a new word. 1.4% has a bright and shiny new word that gets tossed around like he knows what it means.
Collectivist the new word for corrupt.
If you don’t agree with me/pass my agenda/pass k-12 funding, you are a (insert new word here).
Free press and collectivism? Really?
- Formerly Known as Frenchie M - Monday, Jun 27, 16 @ 12:40 pm:
Those two Crain’s endorsements are — stunningly — wrong.
I’m amazed at *how* wrong Crain’s turned out to be.
I laughed out loud when I read the sentence about bringing “optimism” to Springfield.
- ArchPundit - Monday, Jun 27, 16 @ 12:44 pm:
==Mandrake, have you ever seen the Governor drink a glass of water?
You know? He could pass for Sterling Hayden.
- 47th Ward - Monday, Jun 27, 16 @ 12:47 pm:
===He could pass for Sterling Hayden===
If he orders grain alcohol with rain water at the bar, we’ll know for sure.
- Grandson of Man - Monday, Jun 27, 16 @ 12:48 pm:
I almost hope Rauner is using that word as propaganda and not because he really believes it. There is something seriously twisted with multimillionaires like Rauner and billionaires thinkin’ they’re living in a communist economy.
Imagine making over $158,000 a day and thinking you’re living in communism. Pretty demented.
- chi - Monday, Jun 27, 16 @ 12:50 pm:
Who cares if road and bridge construction is shut down this week? They are just collectivist systems for transportation.
Are your kids home-schooled? Cause if not you’re just a cog in the collectivist machine.
- ArchPundit - Monday, Jun 27, 16 @ 12:51 pm:
==If he orders grain alcohol with rain water at the bar, we’ll know for sure.
I was going to ask if any rain barrels have appeared at the mansion recently.
- Annonin' - Monday, Jun 27, 16 @ 12:52 pm:
Guessin’ BigBrain would have mentioned anything close the Ayn Rand statement — not his forte. Obviously this is a term that came up during one his Cliff’s Note briefings, he thought it sounded close enough to communist and started usin’
- Cosmo Renfro - Monday, Jun 27, 16 @ 1:02 pm:
Just more tired old rhetoric designed to instill fear.
- EconLady - Monday, Jun 27, 16 @ 1:04 pm:
He’s not exactly a great advertisement for Dartmouth.
- Wallinger Dickus - Monday, Jun 27, 16 @ 1:11 pm:
I’m confused. Was it collectivist to pay a public employee $100,000 to serve as personal valet to the governor’s private citizen?
Or was that free market?
Dang. This politics thing is hard.
- @MisterJayEm - Monday, Jun 27, 16 @ 1:12 pm:
Q: What does ‘collectivist’ mean?
A:
Damned collectivists!
– MrJM
- wordslinger - Monday, Jun 27, 16 @ 1:15 pm:
After WWII, Sterling Hayden was a member of the U.S. Communist Party for a brief time.
Formerly a commercial sea captain, Hayden, during the war, was an OSS agent running guns to the Tito partisans fighting the Nazis and had come to admire them.
(Due to his captain’s experience, Hayden was Spielberg’s first choice for “Quint” in “Jaws,” but he was in self-exile from the United States dodging back taxes).
Later, after he quit the party, Hayden “named names” in front of HUAC, an act for which he expressed self-loathing for the rest of his life.
- illini97 - Monday, Jun 27, 16 @ 1:16 pm:
One of the things that stands out to me in the Crain’s endorsements is the sense that he would be a cheerleader for locating businesses in Illinois. Instead, he uses any opportunity available to badmouth the State.
- Handle Bar Mustache - Monday, Jun 27, 16 @ 1:18 pm:
Won’t hold my breath waiting for other papers to rescind (apologize for, or at least reconsider) their endorsements.
Kudos to Crain’s.
Did you catch the part where Rauner blames “city hall” for putting pressure on the Crain’s edit board?
- JS Mill - Monday, Jun 27, 16 @ 1:23 pm:
“We must ensure schools open on time by passing a bill that is fair to the taxpayers of Illinois”
I am confused. If collectivist “stuff” is bad, why is opening public schools on time so important? Are they not a bastion of what he thinks collectivism to be?
The man is confusing.
- anon - Monday, Jun 27, 16 @ 1:24 pm:
Rauner invoking Senator Joe McCarthy?
- Wensicia - Monday, Jun 27, 16 @ 1:28 pm:
==If collectivist “stuff” is bad, why is opening public schools on time so important? Are they not a bastion of what he thinks collectivism to be?==
CPS is the bastion of collectivism; not other districts (who Rauner’s fightin’ for).
- JS Mill - Monday, Jun 27, 16 @ 1:31 pm:
=CPS is the bastion of collectivism; not other districts (who Rauner’s fightin’ for).=
NOW I get it! Thanks!
- BBG Watch - Monday, Jun 27, 16 @ 1:34 pm:
I love this …
Dan Proft
@DanProft
Dan Proft Retweeted Kerry Lester
Rauner is being generous in his @CrainsChicago description of business mag for people who despise entrepreneurs.
- JackD - Monday, Jun 27, 16 @ 1:34 pm:
The governor is just lashing out verbally because it’s becoming clear that his schtick isn’t selling and he hates to lose.
- Anonymous - Monday, Jun 27, 16 @ 1:34 pm:
This explains his dislike of collectivist bargaining.
- Slippin' Jimmy - Monday, Jun 27, 16 @ 1:34 pm:
That’s pretty lame to say to save it we must first destroy it Bruce. I first heard that rationale in Veet Nam (Texas pronounciation). ‘To save the village we had to destroy the village’- doesn’t work Governor, just sayin’!
- Wensicia - Monday, Jun 27, 16 @ 1:38 pm:
==This explains his dislike of collectivist bargaining.==
+1
- wordslinger - Monday, Jun 27, 16 @ 1:38 pm:
A payroll-grifter chimes in:
–DanProft@DanProft
Rauner is being generous in his @CrainsChicago description of business mag for people who despise entrepreneurs. twitter.com/kerrylester/st…
12:52 PM - 27 Jun 2016–
How much money would it take for you to be such a, um, sycophant?
It’s like the old punchline: “We’ve already established what you are, now we’re just talking price.”
- cdog - Monday, Jun 27, 16 @ 1:39 pm:
Lest we forget, in Rauner World,
if you are beast food (i.e. old, sick, wounded, uneducated/CPS),
you are on your own.
- Earnest - Monday, Jun 27, 16 @ 1:39 pm:
When it comes to getting people to focus on his words and not his actions, Rauner is truly brilliant.
- X-prof - Monday, Jun 27, 16 @ 1:42 pm:
This reminds me of Nixon’s final days. Not saying these are Rauner’s final days in office, but it takes a toll when harsh reality does not fit your world view and you feel the tide turn against you.
- cdog - Monday, Jun 27, 16 @ 1:45 pm:
It seems appropriate to add a little note from Abraham Lincoln about sacrifice by the people, for the people.
“…that from these honored dead we take increased devotion to that cause for which they gave the last full measure of devotion — that we here highly resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain — that this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom — and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth.
Abraham Lincoln
November 19, 1863
Gettysburg
- Anonymous - Monday, Jun 27, 16 @ 1:49 pm:
Next on Fox News, “When Collectivists Attack!”
- PlayK8 - Monday, Jun 27, 16 @ 1:50 pm:
When the wind is right, a faint odor of kerosene is exhaled from Gov. Rauner
- Formerly Known As... - Monday, Jun 27, 16 @ 2:01 pm:
=Sacrifice is its end=
At the very least, our grandkids will be sacrificing for Illinois’ recent government.
- ArchPundit - Monday, Jun 27, 16 @ 2:01 pm:
Word….I’m going to order his autobiography after reading up on him. I loved him in The Killing as well as Dr. Strangelove and didn’t know the full back story to his life.
He is the anti-Rauner.
- Oswego Willy - Monday, Jun 27, 16 @ 2:05 pm:
- FKA -
===At the very least, our grandkids will be sacrificing for Illinois’ recent government.===
Crain’s?…
===By nearly every measure, the state is worse off since Rauner took office.===
Looks like everyone is payin’…
- Rabid - Monday, Jun 27, 16 @ 2:22 pm:
Aristocracy idiom
- wordslinger - Monday, Jun 27, 16 @ 2:23 pm:
Arch, Hayden’s book is a heckuva yarn.
I’m sure he would have been a great Quint — but if he had gotten the role, the world would have been deprived of the “Indianapolis” monologue by Robert Shaw, the scene that makes that movie.
It wasn’t in the script. Shaw wrote it himself on the boat and pitched it to Spielberg.
Hayden, of course, like the rest of “The Godfather” roles, was perfectly cast as Capt. McCluskey.
- Soccermom - Monday, Jun 27, 16 @ 3:02 pm:
So here’s the question. Am I being deleted because the prevailing standards have changed, or because Rauner has pushed me off the cliffs of insanity? Both are possible.
- Norseman - Monday, Jun 27, 16 @ 3:05 pm:
Soccermom, you’re not sufficiently collectivist. Got to work on that.
- Ms. SHEESH - Monday, Jun 27, 16 @ 3:29 pm:
I said it earlier and I’ll say it again. I honestly think he didn’t look up the word before he used it. So now instead of admitting he didn’t know the correct definition..he’ll have one of his spokespeople announce that he was “misunderstood” Ain’t that the way it’s been goin’ since Day #1?
- Soccermom - Monday, Jun 27, 16 @ 3:35 pm:
Actually, Norseman, I should confess: When my children would complain about doing chores, I would tell them, “Shut up and work for the good of the collective.”
- Ms. SHEESH - Monday, Jun 27, 16 @ 3:38 pm:
Or==he will pay someone to change the Dictionary Definition.
- Rich Miller - Monday, Jun 27, 16 @ 3:39 pm:
===I honestly think he didn’t look up the word before he used it.===
Rest assured he knows exactly what he’s talking about here.
- Quizzical - Monday, Jun 27, 16 @ 4:13 pm:
Fighting ‘collectivism’ has been a religious teaching of Glenn Beck for some time. Maybe Uncle Brucie has devoted himself to the cause.
- Hambone - Monday, Jun 27, 16 @ 4:17 pm:
Look on the bright side: At least it does not end in ING
“fightin, workin’ , bargainin’ , etc”
- Juvenal - Monday, Jun 27, 16 @ 5:16 pm:
Rauner, Proft, Tillman and Kohn are stuck in a closed loop.
- Jeep - Monday, Jun 27, 16 @ 7:50 pm:
He should take care in his attempts to smear a word like “collectivism.” It will set off an equal and opposite reaction of others using the label “crony capitalism.”
- btowntruth from forgottonia - Monday, Jun 27, 16 @ 9:32 pm:
Crain’s are “collectivists”?
The innocent bystander of a victim of a Governor that we have has lost it.