75 Comments - Oswego Willy - Friday, Jan 6, 17 @ 10:00 am: Where Beth Purvis fails in her thoughts is forgetting that… Governors Own Vetoes. That’s how it works, Doctor. - wordslinger - Friday, Jan 6, 17 @ 10:00 am: —..state education secretary Beth Purvis said in her own statement.— Accuracy is supposed to be important in media. In Illinois, there’s no such office as “state education secretary.” Tony Smith is the State Superintendent of Education at $225K a year. James Meeks is the chair of the Illinois State Board of Education. Purvis is a personal staffer to the governor, with her $250K salary coming from the Department of Human Services. - LizPhairTax - Friday, Jan 6, 17 @ 10:04 am: “Blaming 20 years of fiscal mismanagement on a governor who has been in office for two years is ridiculous,” Blaming the fire chief who stood by and told his firefighters to do nothing while your house burned down for 20 years of oily rags stashed in your basement is ridiculous. No it’s not. (Thibs Voice) Do. Your. Job. - Daniel Plainview - Friday, Jan 6, 17 @ 10:09 am: How are they both right? Is 20 years some magic number Purvis pulled from a hat? Quinn was fiscally responsible, as evidenced by the shrinking backlog and full pension payments. Before that, sure, Blago was awful and there were varying degrees of irresponsibility between the previous governors and legislatures. Daley, who Rauner supported, certainly didn’t help the city’s finances. But Rauner, in 2 short years, has made things worse. Everything. Letting him pretend that his hands have been tied by the past is just indulging the fantasy that he’s powerless, and that this isn’t intentional. - Telly - Friday, Jan 6, 17 @ 10:10 am: How many times are we gonna see a variation of that “Bruce has-only-been-around-for-(fill in the blank)-years” argument from the Raunerites between now and November of 2018? Great re-election slogan: “We’ve only sucked for four years!” - Handle Bar Mustache - Friday, Jan 6, 17 @ 10:11 am: Sadly, Purvis has become an enabler of the shameless, purposeful torching of higher education in Illinois - and the deep failure of Bruce Rauner to any make meaningful progress on early childhood or k-12 funding. 2 years of destruction - that’s the Rauner/Purvis’ legacy on education in Illinois. - Jocko - Friday, Jan 6, 17 @ 10:12 am: Like WS said, Beth rails about fiscal mismanagement while cashing checks in a made-to-order job. - Arsenal - Friday, Jan 6, 17 @ 10:12 am: ==“Blaming 20 years of fiscal mismanagement on a governor who has been in office for two years is ridiculous,”== So sick of this line. No one blames Rauner for the fiscal mismanagement of the state circa January, 2015. They blame him for adding two more years of fiscal mismanagement to that when he was specifically hired to fix the problem. - c'mon, man - Friday, Jan 6, 17 @ 10:14 am: The governor vetoed the funding, and has slow walked education funding reform. He sees this as more leverage, but don’t take my word for it…take his own words. And while funding for these schools isn’t his priority, corporate tax credits are still being doled out. This is about choices. - A guy - Friday, Jan 6, 17 @ 10:18 am: There’s no value in defending the operations of CPS. That’s unwinnable. They have failed the vast majority of children in their system. Few (magnets) attend those schools on purpose. It’s a rebuild project if there ever were one. - Deft Wing - Friday, Jan 6, 17 @ 10:19 am: They are not both right and some of the comments border on insane. CPS is insolvent. They did this on their own LONG before Rauner was elected. CPS, like every other state school system, got their money for the current fiscal year … CPS, per usual, wanted more. So, go on and talk amongst yourselves as to how to blame the Gov for a school system that has continually made astonishingly bad financial decisions for decades. Good luck with that anywhere … but here. - Oswego Willy - Friday, Jan 6, 17 @ 10:19 am: ===No one blames Rauner for the fiscal mismanagement of the state circa January, 2015. They blame him for adding two more years of fiscal mismanagement to that when he was specifically hired to fix the problem.=== Exactly right, and this is why Rich is right that both… are right. Pointing at the spilled milk and then completely ignoring an action only a governor can do that exacerbates the situation, currently, today, isn’t being a governor. It is being someone leveraging and hurting, purposely, and trying to look for cover to do the hurting and the leveraging. That’s my beef. Rauner knows why he vetoed. Rauner knows governors own vetoes. Democrats sit silently, Rauner wins the messaging. Again. Like it’s been every day for 2 years. So both are right, but one is exacerbating, hurting, leveraging Chicago students. That’s not mismanagement, that’s following a plan. - Rich Miller - Friday, Jan 6, 17 @ 10:20 am: ===How are they both right?=== So, you’re saying CPS finances have been sound for the past 20 years? C’mon. - Saluki Matt - Friday, Jan 6, 17 @ 10:23 am: - They blame him for adding two more years of fiscal mismanagement to that when he was specifically hired to fix the problem. - Yeah, but he’s had virtually no help from congressional Democrats, even when some of his reforms make sense and have bipartisan supports (workers comp in particular). Economic growth is a key ingredient to fiscal sanity. - Sue - Friday, Jan 6, 17 @ 10:25 am: Why do these exchanges always overlook the biggest single Culprit-Rich Daley. By his decade long pension Holiday Daley took a fund which was 300 percent funded to near solvency requiring Chicago to later put thru massive tax hikes and CPS layoffs and closures. I don’t believe Rauner was in office during Saleys reign of fiscal mismanagement. By the way Daley needed to obtain legislative approval from Zmafiganmadigan and Cullerton. Nothing like the truth which always seems to be overlooked by most of you here - Oswego Willy - Friday, Jan 6, 17 @ 10:25 am: ===congressional Democrats=== Hmm. How would this help/hurt Rauner? - Sue - Friday, Jan 6, 17 @ 10:25 am: Sorry- 100 percent funded - Oswego Willy - Friday, Jan 6, 17 @ 10:27 am: - Sue - Who forgot Daley? Who says CPS has been managed well and Daley and Rahm have clean hands. Be specific. - wordslinger - Friday, Jan 6, 17 @ 10:29 am: –There’s no value in defending the operations of CPS. That’s unwinnable. They have failed the vast majority of children in their system. Few (magnets) attend those schools on purpose.– Pretty rough on Daley, Emanuel and their handpicked boards and administrators. You make a strong argument for an elected school board, just like every other school district in the state. - A guy - Friday, Jan 6, 17 @ 10:35 am: However the board is constituted; elected or appointed (the people of the school district need to decide with all the info in front of them), it’s oversight needs to be much more stringent than it has been. - Arsenal - Friday, Jan 6, 17 @ 10:39 am: ==he’s had virtually no help from congressional Democrats, even when some of his reforms make sense and have bipartisan supports (workers comp in particular)== On the assumption that you meant “GA Democrats”… First of all, you’ll have to pick a lane. If some of his proposals have bipartisan support, that means Democrats support them, which means he *is* getting help from them. Second of all, workers comp is a complicated system with a lot of stakeholders involved. “Reforming” it could mean a lot of different things, and Rauner has never articulated exactly what he’s looking for in such reform. He’s mumbled a bit about a causation standard (and Madigan has specifically said that that’s possible), but there’s even different versions of a causation standard. Frankly, I consider talk of workers’ comp reform to be something of a red herring, as Rauner has simply never put the energy into that proposal that he has RTW or term limits (ideas that don’t meet your “makes sense” criteria). Third, working with a legislature is part of the job, and that that legislature would be controlled by Democrats wasn’t exactly unknown when he took the job. In fact, he told us he could work with them. It turns out he can’t, and that’s a problem. - Oswego Willy - Friday, Jan 6, 17 @ 10:43 am: Oh - Deft Wing -, lol… How’s about that Veto you’re ignoring? I’m guessing you’re willfully ignorant on that, considering its up there, and I’m guessing you can read. - Hit or Miss - Friday, Jan 6, 17 @ 10:45 am: If CPS goes for another bond sale or takes out loans from banks it will be nothing but bad news in my opinion. The rating houses will probably downgrade CPS again because of the additional debt. In addition the taxpayers will pay high interest on any barrowed money be it from the bond market or from banks. What CPS needs badly is a property tax increase. With the lowest property tax rate in Cook County, property owners in Chicago can manage it. The tax increase needs to be sufficient to allow CPS to recover from the effects of the ‘pension holiday’ during the Daley years. However, any property tax increase should only be part of the solution. Additional staff cuts need to be made to help solve the financial problems but in the short term and in the long term. - Juice - Friday, Jan 6, 17 @ 10:50 am: Sue, the decade long pension holiday that Daley took was basically handed to him by Speaker Daniels, President Pate Philip and Governor Edgar. I’m sure that’s because Madigan. - DGD - Friday, Jan 6, 17 @ 10:52 am: After CPS cuts its programs and extra-curriculars down to what the typical downstate district has, then we can talk, and that includes schools like Payton Prep that don’t exist outside of the Chicago metro. That’s not jealousy talking, its common sense. You don’t go begging without first making an honest effort to cut expenses. - Chicago Taxpayer - Friday, Jan 6, 17 @ 10:58 am: Purvis and Rauner are using a smokescreen to hide their discrimination against poor, black and brown kids in Chicago. As long as the state shovels $4 billion plus in teacher pension subsidies to every school district in the state except Chicago, some of the most at risk kids in the state (Chicago) will continue to get the shaft. - Oswego Willy - Friday, Jan 6, 17 @ 10:58 am: Actually, - DGD -… If CPS had the property tax rates that were equal to other school districts your comment would hold more water. Since CPS doesn’t have the rates equal to other districts, it’s not the same to look at CPS and other districts and their revenues. - Chicago 20 - Friday, Jan 6, 17 @ 11:02 am: - “Accuracy is supposed to be important in media.” C’mon this is 2017. Media reports now are “based on a true story”. It’s all about the message now, not the content. - wordslinger - Friday, Jan 6, 17 @ 11:02 am: –Websters, Insolvent, adj., unable to pay debts owed.– Did CPS miss payroll? I’m sure that would have been in the papers. And Wall Street sure keeps scooping up the new bond issues of an insolvent school district. Anyone know the vendor payment cycle for CPS? For the state, it’s more than six months (that is, if the governor hands over the bills to the comptroller). In Jan. 2015, it was less than 30 days. “Fiscal conservativism” ain’t what it used to be. And lectures from someone who would have been called a “ghost payroller” back in the day (Quinn/Walker) doing a redundant job are a wee bit ironic. - Honeybear - Friday, Jan 6, 17 @ 11:07 am: Which is why Rauner gutted the economic growth agency right Saluki Matt? Why would a Governor so devoted to economic growth gut then starve the economic growth agency of the state? explain - Lucky Pierre - Friday, Jan 6, 17 @ 11:10 am: So Rauner should have just caved and given CPS the money even though the Leaders of the GA did not follow through with their end of the bargain and pass meaningful pension reform? Even now the Speaker won’t call the bill and cannot keep his word to follow through on previous promises much less new reforms. A deal is a deal unless it hurts democrats interest groups apparently. Rauner did succeed in one regard, new CPS teachers will not have the benefit of a 98% pension pick up like current CPS teachers. New hires will be required to pay the full 9% employee portion of the bill. Politicians and Unions once again punishing future generations instead of taking responsibility for the sins of the past. It is a small but significant change that will make a little progress reducing the pension time bomb. - Oswego Willy - Friday, Jan 6, 17 @ 11:15 am: - Lucky Pierre - Then you applaud the Rauner veto hurting Chicago students… Just say that. ===So Rauner should have just caved and given CPS the money even though the Leaders of the GA did not follow through with their end of the bargain and pass meaningful pension reform?=== That’s what you’re saying. You agree with Rauner’s veto hurting Chicago students. You should be cheering louder. - The Captain - Friday, Jan 6, 17 @ 11:17 am: “I’ve been successful at everything I’ve ever done.” - Bruce Rauner, 2014 “Because Madigan” - Bruce Rauner, Jan, Feb, Mar, Apr, May, Jun, Jul, Aug, Sep, Oct, Nov, Dec 2015 Jan, Feb, Mar, Apr, May, Jun, Jul, Aug, Sep, Oct, Nov, Dec 2016 Jan 2017 - Deft Wing - Friday, Jan 6, 17 @ 11:18 am: Willie, Your nonsense is incessant here. Do you do more than troll and make stuff up? I guess I must remind you of the facts: The veto was the “more” … $215B more towards CPS’ massive pension deficit/unfunded pension liability to its teachers. It was not operational money. CPS got all of its operating dough for 2017, just as all other schools. But … that extra CPS pension money was explicitly contingent on the passing of a comprehensive pension reform bill … something along the lines of whatever Senate Pres. Cullerton wanted. But reasons unknown, Cullerton sent the CPS pension bill to the Gov (he had previously held it per the deal) so the Gov vetoed it because it was not accompanied by the state pension reform bill. Thems the facts. But back to the point of the post. CPS is a financial train wreck and has been for DECADES. Rauner’s not harmed it one bit because the harms already been long administered, locally. - Triple fat - Friday, Jan 6, 17 @ 11:19 am: The GA should just allow CPS to delay payments to the Charter schools. That kind of leverage would bring the Governor around. - JS Mill - Friday, Jan 6, 17 @ 11:20 am: =CPS, like every other state school system, got their money for the current fiscal year = Nice fairy tale, but you are incorrect. - Fudo Myoo - Friday, Jan 6, 17 @ 11:21 am: Of course he went to Prairie Street Brewhouse they owe him bear for life since he just re-upped millions in OUR tax money via the recently passed and signed Rivers EDGE tax incentive. He wanted to see the Brewhouse The luxury condos The yacht boat slips That taxpayers subsidized What did taxpayers get for their millions? 200 temporary construction jobs Maybe a dozen low paying waitress and bartender jobs Oh and maybe a real estate sales person and a condo superintendent They didn’t want reporters there to ask about this Silly Illinoisans your tax money goes to the rich - Lucky Pierre - Friday, Jan 6, 17 @ 11:24 am: You have it backwards OW, Speaker Madigan and Senator Cullerton are hurting Chicago taxpayers, employers and students by not following through on their end of the deal. Trust but verify are operative words in any negotiation. How you can defend breaking their end of the deal and expecting no consequences? That will not fly in any rational evaluation of who is to blame here. As an Edgar “Republican” who favors kicking the can to future generations for current spending (and constantly criticizes current Republicans trying to do the opposite) I guess that is par for the course for you. - Triple fat - Friday, Jan 6, 17 @ 11:29 am: CPS should argue that their being required to the Charter schools is the State burdening them with another unfunded mandate. Then use their appropriation to fund only the Public Schools. - Triple fat - Friday, Jan 6, 17 @ 11:30 am: Required to pay… - Oswego Willy - Friday, Jan 6, 17 @ 11:36 am: This… ===I guess I must remind you of the facts: The veto was the “more” … $215B more towards CPS’ massive pension deficit/unfunded pension liability to its teachers. It was not operational money. CPS got all of its operating dough for 2017, just as all other schools. But … that extra CPS pension money was explicitly contingent on the passing of a comprehensive pension reform bill … something along the lines of whatever Senate Pres. Cullerton wanted=== … And this… ===How you can defend breaking their end of the deal and expecting no consequences? That will not fly in any rational evaluation of who is to blame here=== Then you both should be cheering Rauner choosing what only a governor can do, veto. This veto IS hurting people. The Judge Smails “I felt I owed it to them” is your defense of Rauner purposely hurting Chicago students? You both should be cheering. “Rauner showed them. Look at the Chicago students Rauner hurt with that veto! You go Governor Rauner!” Governors own vetoes. No one else. Their choice. Celebrate! Rauner hurt Chicago students to teach. Why are you happy? Can’t have it both ways you two. Nope. - JS Mill - Friday, Jan 6, 17 @ 11:36 am: =CPS got all of its operating dough for 2017, just as all other schools.= Lies and the lying liars who tell them. GSA payments come each month. MCAT’s for FY 17 are supposed to come quarterly. No FY 17 MCAT’s have been paid. Not that accuracy or accountability is important to your constant trolling……. - Lucky Pierre - Friday, Jan 6, 17 @ 11:46 am: Ok then, it is in your eyes breaking your word has no consequences. Overspending and pushing the liability to future generations is admirable. Are you sure you aren’t a politician? - Oswego Willy - Friday, Jan 6, 17 @ 11:52 am: ===Ok then, it is in your eyes breaking your word has no consequences.=== Rauner chose to purposely hurt Chicago students as his consequence. Again, why aren’t you cheering? Rauner chose to Veto. Rauner chose to hurt Chicago students, as the consequence. You say so yourself. Rauner hurt Chicago students. Thanks. - Lucky Pierre - Friday, Jan 6, 17 @ 12:05 pm: No the consequence is for the legislature to approve their promised pension reform in January. That would be the quid in the quid pro quo (latin for this for that) they agreed to. Apparently in your world the deals are quid pro nihil or “this for nothing” There is still time to do this. The Moddys news about pensions gobbling up 30% of the futures budgets should make this obvious. Assuming these Chicago students will remain in Chicago, I am sure they will appreciate current taxpayers paying these expenses instead of having their future tax bills inflated to pay for previous spending. Fiscal responsibility is not a complicated concept for most people. - Oswego Willy - Friday, Jan 6, 17 @ 12:14 pm: ===e consequence is for the legislature to approve their promised pension reform in January. That would be the quid in the quid pro quo (latin for this for that) they agreed=== Tell that to the Chicago students. They are the ones hurt. Keep up. Willfully ignorant. ===There is still time to do this.=== Then why did Rauner veto and hurt the students if there’s time? Hmm. ===The Moddys news about pensions gobbling up 30% of the futures budgets should make this obvious=== Pesky Constitution. ===taxpayers=== We’re all taxpayers. What are trying to say? ===…future tax bills inflated to pay for previous spending. Fiscal responsibility is not a complicated concept for most people.=== Then Chicago property taxes should mirror other districts’ percentages, since you’re worried about fiscal responsibility and all. Rauner chose to hurt Chicago students. Cheer. That’s the consequence. - Lucky Pierre - Friday, Jan 6, 17 @ 12:21 pm: Willy the average Chicago taxpayer will be paying $1,700 more per year, apparently you are willfully ignorant to this. Now you advocate higher taxes on top of that instead of stopping the bleeding because it will irritate unions. State income taxes will also inevitably rise but you don’t seem to think there will be any negative consequences from this or any concessions from the unions or the politicans who protect them. - Union Dues - Friday, Jan 6, 17 @ 12:25 pm: Lucky, the Governor of Illinois should help the Chicago schools without getting something in return. It should not be to advance an ideology but because be IS the governor. - Oswego Willy - Friday, Jan 6, 17 @ 12:30 pm: ===Now you advocate higher taxes on top of that instead of stopping the bleeding because it will irritate unions.=== No. Pay attention. The beef has always been Chicago property taxes are artificially lower than everywhere in the state. Other school districts point that out constantly. ===Willy the average Chicago taxpayer…=== Who is the “un-average” Taxpayer? Who isn’t paying taxes? ===State income taxes will also inevitably rise but you don’t seem to think there will be any negative consequences from this or any concessions from the unions or the politicans who protect them.=== When did I say that? Who brought in income taxes? What other strawman are you building? ===…apparently you are willfully ignorant to this.=== Considering I have said numerous times here that property taxes are not of the level of other districts’ percentage, it appears I know this. Maybe try reading? - Lucky Pierre - Friday, Jan 6, 17 @ 12:41 pm: Then Chicago property taxes should mirror other districts’ percentages, since you’re worried about fiscal responsibility and all. You are advocating increasing taxes more than the $1,700 they just went up, read your own words Chicago taxpayers already are nickel and dimed to death on gas, sales tax, soda, cable tv, phones. Now we need more to satisfy the guy from Oswego. - Oswego Willy - Friday, Jan 6, 17 @ 12:47 pm: ===You are advocating increasing taxes more than the $1,700 they just went up, read your own words=== You want fiscal responsibility. This is EXACTLY why Rich says both are right. The fiscally responsible thing that needed to be done was to fund Chicago schools and pay the pension obligation at levels that allowed both to occur. You can’t be mad at Daley, or Rahm, and then ignore that fiscal truth. Do you even know what you are talking about? This is policy, not talking points. ===Chicago taxpayers already are nickel and dimed to death on gas, sales tax, soda, cable tv, phones. Now we need more to satisfy the guy from Oswego.=== Then Daley did things right according to you? Artificially low property taxes and skipping payments? That’s your take. Talking points are hurting you. You’re lacking here. - Lucky Pierre - Friday, Jan 6, 17 @ 1:09 pm: Twisted yourself in a pretzel again I am advocating passing the Cullerton pension reform as promised. You assume the Supreme Court will throw out, which could have already happened by now if it was passed two years ago. Those legislators that resist pension reform should have no problem with passing the Cullerton bill if it is a slam dunk and will be thrown out. Gives them more time to sweep the problem under the rug until after the next election. The Cullerton plan is s step towards fiscal responsibility along with the already announced tax increases and those that are yet to come to pay for PENSIONS. You advocate pouring more money into a pension system but resist any reforms that will gradually fix the problem. You have the Daley position of kicking the can down the road not me. - A guy - Friday, Jan 6, 17 @ 1:21 pm: ==Rauner chose to purposely hurt Chicago students as his consequence.== Oh, can it. That’s where your train leaves the rails. Argue within the lines. This is an utterly silly thing to say. - Oswego Willy - Friday, Jan 6, 17 @ 1:22 pm: ===Twisted yourself in a pretzel again=== Nope. I was clear. You’re spinning where you lack. ===You advocate pouring more money into a pension system but resist any reforms that will gradually fix the problem=== No I haven’t. You made clear, taxes are too high, yet Daley kept taxes artificially low, and the property tax rate is equal than other school districts. No pretzels, its policy. You’re lacking because you’d rather spin then see why both sides are right… … including Rauner purposely hurting Chicago students got something you yourself said there was time to get. Rauner chose to hurt Chicago students. Cheer. You should be happy, since you have no credibility in understanding why both sides are right. ===You have the Daley position of kicking the can down the road not me.=== You can’t say taxes are too high and then say Daley not funding at levels necessary was bad too. If you feel taxes are already too high and shouldn’t go higher to fund CPS, that’s Daley’s position you advocate, lol - Rich Miller - Friday, Jan 6, 17 @ 1:25 pm: ===This is an utterly silly thing to say=== Nope. He vetoed the bill without even first checking in with Cullerton to clarify. And if you think that veto doesn’t hurt CPS students if the cash isn’t restored, you’re outta your mind. - Oswego Willy - Friday, Jan 6, 17 @ 1:26 pm: - A Guy - Governors own their vetoes. I know it stinks for ya - A Guy -, but that veto purposely hurt Chicago students… and only Rauner can veto legislation. Thems the breaks. - DGD - Friday, Jan 6, 17 @ 1:30 pm: ** If CPS had the property tax rates that were equal to other school districts your comment would hold more water. ** They have the ability to raise them, do they not, and making cuts in spending…before asking taxpayers statewide to bail them out. - Triple fat - Friday, Jan 6, 17 @ 1:32 pm: You know - If CPS would float a bond to temporarily cover the cost of the Charter school… until the State properly funds them… Private Equity would gobble those bonds up so fast… the bonds might not have to be offered at junk rates. - Lucky Pierre - Friday, Jan 6, 17 @ 1:32 pm: The veto was a warning shot. Why submit the bill for the Governor’s signature without the promised pension reform at least voted on? Good faith is a two way street. There is plenty of time for the Speaker and Governor to keep their word. - Deft Wing - Friday, Jan 6, 17 @ 1:36 pm: –”He vetoed the bill without even first checking in with Cullerton to clarify. And if you think that veto doesn’t hurt CPS students if the cash isn’t restored, you’re outta your mind.”– I think this is wrong on several fronts, Rich. 1) The bill wasn’t to be sent to the Gov without the state pension bill. Did Cullerton call the Gov and say “I’m sending you the CPS pension bill now despite our agreement?” If he didn’t then there’s the surprise. If he did so forewarn, it’s still a breach of the underlying deal. 2) The $215B was for the TEACHERS’ pensions, not for the kids. This is pension money, not classroom money, so no kids are “hurt.” - Oswego Willy - Friday, Jan 6, 17 @ 1:38 pm: ===They have the ability to raise them, do they not, and making cuts in spending…before asking taxpayers statewide to bail them out.=== Rauner wanted to deal on it. That, for a pension deal. Take it up with the governor, lol - Oswego Willy - Friday, Jan 6, 17 @ 1:41 pm: ===The veto was a warning shot=== Tell that to the Chicago students Rauner purposely hurt. You’re admitting right there, Rauner chose it. You’re spinning is getting beyond ridiculous. ===There is plenty of time for the Speaker and Governor to keep their word.=== … and yet Rauner chose to veto anyway, to hurt Chicago students. ===Good faith is a two way street.=== Then start cheering. Rauner chose to hurt Chicago students as a lesson. You should be so happy. - Rich Miller - Friday, Jan 6, 17 @ 1:54 pm: ===This is pension money, not classroom money, so no kids are “hurt.” === And where do you think they’ll have to find the pension money now, genius? Also, to your other points: http://www.columbiachronicle.com/metro/article_b9570f28-be70-11e6-826b-7b0d0c8c08ba.html Cullerton’s aide suggested it was understood that pension reform was to be deferred because of the election. On June 30, a motion filed to reconsider the bill was passed to extend the 30-day deadline to send SB 2822 to Rauner because the Illinois General Assembly would not be able to discuss pension reform until after the November election, according to Patterson. According to a transcript of Senate Minority Leader Christine Radogno at the Senate on June 30 provided by Patterson, the senator of the 41st District said the agreement was to pass the legislation and return to the issue of pension reform at another time when the General Assembly was in session. According to Patterson, on the same day Rauner vetoed the bill, reporters asked Cullerton whether there was an agreement after a meeting between the two, and he said no, in reference to pension reform. Patterson said the interview was live streamed on the internet and speculated that it was seen by Rauner or an aide of his, who interpreted it to refer to the entirety of the agreement. Patterson thinks this led to the bill’s veto by Rauner and that there needs to be stronger communication between legislative leaders and the governor. - Arsenal - Friday, Jan 6, 17 @ 2:02 pm: ==Argue within the lines.== I struggle to see how this is outside “the lines”. Was Rauner not fully aware of the consequences of a veto? - Lucky Pierre - Friday, Jan 6, 17 @ 2:03 pm: OW you obviously live on a one way street or is it a my way or the state highway out there in Oswego, where only one side is to live up to their word - Oswego Willy - Friday, Jan 6, 17 @ 2:09 pm: ===…you obviously live on a one way street or is it a my way or the state highway out there in Oswego …=== Making it about me isn’t making an argument. I gave you lots to chew on, and this is what you come back saying? Hmm. ===…where only one side is to live up to their word=== Rauner vetoed, you even said it was “a warning shot”, albeit one purposely hurting Chicago students. So, you wavy consequences, but no ownership of dishing the consequences out? You make no sense here. - A guy - Friday, Jan 6, 17 @ 2:36 pm: ==Rauner chose to purposely hurt Chicago students== ==He vetoed the bill without even first checking in with Cullerton to clarify=== Sorry fellas: Those are two entirely different cases being made to describe the same action. The first one posits he purposely and viciously acted to hurt school kids. The second one suggests he didn’t do enough due diligence…that would be the opposite of ‘intent’ and pose a different flaw. The first one is just wrong. The second one is correct. In either case, it’s a shame. - A guy - Friday, Jan 6, 17 @ 2:40 pm: ==I struggle to see how this is outside “the lines”. Was Rauner not fully aware of the consequences of a veto?== According to Rich, no. He states that he didn’t check with Cullerton. He’s purposely hurting the students, blah, blah, is silly. Neither side is doing that. If anything, all sides, including CTU and every stakeholder I can see (that could include many parents too!) don’t care enough about the students. They’re not purposely hurting them. But, none of them, and I mean none of them…are purposely trying to help the students. It’s sad. - Oswego Willy - Friday, Jan 6, 17 @ 2:47 pm: Rauner is purposely hurting Chicago students. Vetoes do that. Thems the breaks. Rauner wanted Chicago students hurt to make a point, “and a lot of other things”. Governors own their vetoes. Sorry - A Guy - There are no “accidental vetoes” - A guy - Friday, Jan 6, 17 @ 3:32 pm: Keep selling that Willy. Public official (pick any of them really) purposely hurts school children. It does not make you sound very smart. - Oswego Willy - Friday, Jan 6, 17 @ 3:36 pm: ===Public official (pick any of them really) purposely hurts school children=== Was it an “accidental veto”? Rauner purposely hurt Chicago students. Period. Are Chicago students being hurt? ===And if you think that veto doesn’t hurt CPS students if the cash isn’t restored, you’re outta your mind.=== I’ll let Rich’s comment try to clarify how it makes me sound. - Lucky Pierre - Friday, Jan 6, 17 @ 3:58 pm: Who can you add the list of politicians and union leaders who have “purposely hurt” CPS students for decades? As always everything is on fellow Republican Rauner for attempting to stop digging a deeper hole. The Senate President, Speaker and two previous Governors were all from Chicago and somehow allowed this mess to develop. Now OW blasts Rauner exclusively while excusing the leaders from keeping their promises. Par for the course - Arsenal - Friday, Jan 6, 17 @ 3:59 pm: ==According to Rich, no. He states that he didn’t check with Cullerton.== Then he’s just reckless. He’s vetoing bills without knowing what the veto means? What a weird Governor. - Oswego Willy - Friday, Jan 6, 17 @ 4:07 pm: ===Who can you add the list of politicians and union leaders who have “purposely hurt” CPS students for decades?=== Which is why Rich said, and I agreed both are right, but Rauner’s purposeful veto hurting Chicago students Rauner owns his veto. You told me yourself, it was a message, lol. I can’t help you agree with Daley taxes are/were too high, that’s on you. Your strawman is noted too. - Arsenal - Friday, Jan 6, 17 @ 4:33 pm: ==As always everything is on fellow Republican Rauner for attempting to stop digging a deeper hole== No, we’re on him for *actually digging a deeper hole*. You don’t balance CPS’ budget by taking money away from it. Maybe if this were part of some broader CPS reform, I’d understand, but since it was just to teach Cullerton a lesson… Sorry, comments for this post are now closed.