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Cullerton has simple solution for remap reform

Monday, Apr 3, 2017 - Posted by Rich Miller

* Simple, indeed, but is it a good one? Not so sure

Cullerton said he agrees with Rauner that there should be some sort of redistricting reform, saying “let it be two bipartisan folks that the Supreme Court chooses. Have those two people decide what the maps would be.”

And if they can’t decide? What then? Pistols at 40 paces?

       

35 Comments
  1. - Homer J. Quinn - Monday, Apr 3, 17 @ 1:59 pm:

    how about we choose one nonpartisan computer and let it draw the districts according to population density. make the code open source so everyone can inspect it and see that the results are fair.


  2. - Deft Wing - Monday, Apr 3, 17 @ 1:59 pm:

    Well, it IS simple.


  3. - Telly - Monday, Apr 3, 17 @ 1:59 pm:

    Is this a preview for redistricting reform being added to the alleged Grand Bargain?


  4. - Norseman - Monday, Apr 3, 17 @ 1:59 pm:

    Pistols is too old school. Now we can have violence without death. How about a two out of three on the latest video game?


  5. - Red Rider - Monday, Apr 3, 17 @ 2:01 pm:

    You can’t have reforms in the last days of your term, Gov.


  6. - Notacop - Monday, Apr 3, 17 @ 2:02 pm:

    I think that rather on focusing on “who” reform needs to focus on “how”.

    My favorite idea is something along the lines of “no more than # corners with a maximum/minimum angle of X” with allowances made for natural/existing borders (county lines, rivers, etc).

    Right now it’s a battle for who gets to benefit from the map rather than a battle of how to make the map more resistant to shenanigans.


  7. - Anonymous - Monday, Apr 3, 17 @ 2:03 pm:

    Bottom line is “partisan” maps are going the way of the dodo. Once the supreme court gets Wisconsin’s gerrymandering case, it’ll definitely be interesting to see what the results are and the implications.


  8. - John Rawlss - Monday, Apr 3, 17 @ 2:03 pm:

    DUEL


  9. - Truthteller - Monday, Apr 3, 17 @ 2:05 pm:

    How about we put redistricting in the hands of an independent commission. The law would become effective when all the states we’re competing with in the Midwest- Wisconsin, Indiana, Missouri, etc. pass the same legislation.
    Can’t be out of step with our neighbors, can we Governor?


  10. - Anonymous - Monday, Apr 3, 17 @ 2:06 pm:

    Here we have another example of the basic problem in Illinois politics these days. At every turn, the Democrats offer a reasonable compromise, and then Rauner rejects it. He is not a mature politician. He is a demagogue and almost a revolutionary, an ideologue. He seems actually to hate people who disagree with him. This poisons our politics and destroys our state government.


  11. - Johnny Weismueller - Monday, Apr 3, 17 @ 2:13 pm:

    I prefer “juju” like in the Tarzan movies…


  12. - Robert the Bruce - Monday, Apr 3, 17 @ 2:18 pm:

    This remap thing seems sorta golden. Just sell the rights to draw the remap to the highest bidder.


  13. - wordslinger - Monday, Apr 3, 17 @ 2:18 pm:

    Rauner has been silent for a while now on redistricting. I suspect he thinks he’ll be able to draw the map under the current system after the next two elections.

    It should be noted that very soon former Pres. Obama is going to make gerrymander reform his post-presidency project. Obama could be influential in Illinois Democratic politics if he chooses to be, whether in fundraising or campaigning. Or not.


  14. - Rich Miller - Monday, Apr 3, 17 @ 2:18 pm:

    ===“partisan” maps are going the way of the dodo===

    One judge employing a very novel (to say the least) argument does not a trend make. Plus, there’s even a disagreement over whether Illinois would fall into the same category. It depends how you count, which is why I haven’t posted on this yet. The people who prevailed in Wisconsin say Illinois rules are fine by their metrics. Others disagree.


  15. - @misterjayem - Monday, Apr 3, 17 @ 2:19 pm:

    “And if they can’t decide? What then? Pistols at 40 paces?”

    Two words: Steel Cage.

    – MrJM


  16. - Ahoy! - Monday, Apr 3, 17 @ 2:21 pm:

    And what about independents? We need to move beyond just bipartisanship when it comes to elections.

    The person who mentioned computer generated modeling is spot on.


  17. - Saluki - Monday, Apr 3, 17 @ 2:32 pm:

    any solution is better than the current situation.


  18. - Skeptic - Monday, Apr 3, 17 @ 2:35 pm:

    “And if they can’t decide? What then? Pistols at 40 paces?” Or a game of H-O-R-S-E.


  19. - Anonymous - Monday, Apr 3, 17 @ 2:39 pm:

    Worst case, if they can’t decide, somebody sues and a federal judge draws the map.


  20. - Juvenal - Monday, Apr 3, 17 @ 2:39 pm:

    I always go with Mark Twain’s advice: axes, but most folks seem to prefer brickbats at 3/4 of a mile.

    https://futureboy.us/twain/tramp/tramp08.html

    And there is no such thing as an independent commission or an impartial computer program.


  21. - DuPage Bard - Monday, Apr 3, 17 @ 2:49 pm:

    As Tina Turner said in Mad Max “It is the law of Thunderdome two men enter one man leave!”


  22. - Precinct Captain - Monday, Apr 3, 17 @ 3:05 pm:

    TBH, Cullerton’s plan is at least more honest than some of the phoney Ohio-style reforms.


  23. - illini - Monday, Apr 3, 17 @ 3:06 pm:

    I am fully aware of how complex and politically charged this issue has become. I will not and can not offer a solution that will please everyone.

    If anyone is genuinely interested search the Brennan Centers reporting and research on Redistricting. I get periodic emails from them on a variety of topics and received on today redistricting. Check it out.

    Brennan Center for Justice


  24. - illini - Monday, Apr 3, 17 @ 3:10 pm:

    Sorry - didn’t copy all. Go to

    brennancenter@nyu.edu


  25. - Last Bull Moose - Monday, Apr 3, 17 @ 3:11 pm:

    Put both chambers into 3 member districts with cumulative voting. Go 20 Senate districts each containing 2 House districts. This gives 60 Senators and 120 Representatives.

    Have open primaries with top 5 vote getters moving on to the general.

    Have the Supreme Court appoint a Special Master to reviewthe plans. Master can adjust partisan maps if the master can reduce the length of district boundaries while keeping populations within 3 percent of State average.

    Cumulative voting protects minority voting rights. Compactness ends gerrymandering.

    If Legislators won’t act, do most of this through Initiative but cut to 15 Senate districts and 30 House districts. This gives a hammer to the process. (Rich has suggested a hammer was needed. This could be it.)


  26. - Fav Hum - Monday, Apr 3, 17 @ 3:12 pm:

    Pistols at 40 paces

    I seem to remember in NM when they thought they had a tie for President, that the state law was play a hand of Poker to resolve it.

    Not sure if it was 5 card draw or not….


  27. - Ivote - Monday, Apr 3, 17 @ 3:32 pm:

    First thing our legislature should do is call on federal Congress to develop a Constitutional Amendment, so that whatever is done applies to ALL states. Why should a deep blue state start playing fair until a deep red state (with equal or nearly equal number of electoral votes) does the same! That should be an easy resolution to vote “aye” in both parties, and perhaps put pressure on other states to do the same?!


  28. - jake - Monday, Apr 3, 17 @ 3:39 pm:

    Needs to be an odd number of people. One Republican, one Democrat, and one computationally literate Independent to run the software and optimize some objective measure of compactness. One suggested measure is to minimize the travel time between all pairs of people in a district. Sounds cumbersome, but computers can do it.


  29. - Annonin' - Monday, Apr 3, 17 @ 3:40 pm:

    How about 118 and 59 at large then you don’t need no stinkin’ map


  30. - Mr. Smith - Monday, Apr 3, 17 @ 3:51 pm:

    40 Paces? Rich, do you want these people to hit each other or not? Or does that depend on who is actually doing the shooting?


  31. - Veil of Ignorance - Monday, Apr 3, 17 @ 4:10 pm:

    A better idea is to tie IL’s redistricting reform proposal to the passage of reform in another Midwestern state, such as Michigan. Although not exactly equal delegate-wise, it would help address another gerrymandered state that advantages the other party. Truthfully, IL Dems would not lose much with redistricting reform given the state’s demographics and political history. If Rauner wants reform, then he only needs to convince his GOP colleagues to join him. Or we can all wait for the WI case to play out.


  32. - A guy - Monday, Apr 3, 17 @ 4:29 pm:

    ==Have those two people decide what the maps would be==

    You know, Instead of one.


  33. - Flapdoodle - Monday, Apr 3, 17 @ 6:22 pm:

    illini — thanks for Brennan Center tip, good stuff


  34. - Liberty - Monday, Apr 3, 17 @ 10:47 pm:

    How about requiring all districts have 4 straight sides (with the exception of the natural state boundaries…


  35. - Lynn S. - Monday, Apr 3, 17 @ 11:12 pm:

    No, Rich, it’s 20 to 30 paces with pistols. I’m bidding on concession rights; you and Blue Room can do the live stream. We promote this well, and we’ll be rich!

    Any particular reason you’re throwing us this much red meat this early in the week?


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