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Dispute erupts over how many people can attend a meeting
Wednesday, May 24, 2017 - Posted by Rich Miller * Among other things, today’s letter from Gov. Rauner’s chief of staff Richard Goldberg to House Majority Leader Barbara Flynn Currie was just debated on the House floor…
* Madigan’s spokesman Steve Brown told me this afternoon that instead of meeting with Rauner and the Civic Committee of the Commercial Club, Madigan just decided to meet one-on-one with the governor last month. “There was really no purpose involving them,” Brown said of the Civic Committee. “We had their report,” which was recently released to the public. During today’s floor debate, it was revealed that Leader Currie told Goldberg that while she wouldn’t meet with him alone, she offered instead to bring along the other negotiators appointed by Speaker Madigan earlier this month. Goldberg flatly refused her offer. “I don’t know what they’re afraid of,” Brown said of the governor’s staff. “Why don’t they want to have a meeting?” I was told earlier today that Goldberg wanted to gauge how sincere this effort was by first meeting one-on-one with Currie. And, indeed, bringing a bunch of people to a meeting is a classic way of slowing down a process - a tactic Madigan has used many times in the past. But here we are, with a week to go before the scheduled adjournment, and they can’t even agree on a simple thing like a sit-down.
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- Almost the Weekend - Wednesday, May 24, 17 @ 2:47 pm:
Though this is a small excerpt, you can tell both sides truly do not like and have no respect for one another. I’d say this is beyond repair. If Rauner wins in 2018, in 2019 we will be assessing the damage of falling off the cliff, not walking towards it.
- The Captain - Wednesday, May 24, 17 @ 2:49 pm:
We’re playing a game called “Which Side Probably Isn’t Actually Sincere Here” and whoever started this game set the difficulty level to “easy”.
- J IL - Wednesday, May 24, 17 @ 2:52 pm:
IF Rauner win in 2018 we will not have a budget until 2023.
- Red Rider - Wednesday, May 24, 17 @ 2:55 pm:
Safety in numbers, and as many witnesses you need.
- Ahoy! - Wednesday, May 24, 17 @ 2:55 pm:
How about they both resign and we try to bring in some adults?
- Been There - Wednesday, May 24, 17 @ 3:01 pm:
===And, indeed, bringing a bunch of people to a meeting is a classic way of slowing down a process ===
While you are probably correct in this statement and when I use to negotiate we would bring in a bunch of people to the table. But on the other hand she should never agree to go to a meeting without at least one other person on her side.
- 47th Ward - Wednesday, May 24, 17 @ 3:04 pm:
===I was told earlier today that Goldberg wanted to gauge how sincere this effort was by first meeting one-on-one with Currie.===
Really? He needs a one-on-one to decide whether to meet with more than one Democrat? Lol. That’s kind of weak, don’t you think?
- northsider (the original) - Wednesday, May 24, 17 @ 3:05 pm:
Always bring a prover.
- Henry Francis - Wednesday, May 24, 17 @ 3:05 pm:
I guess everything in Goldberg’s view is a sham.
- Oswego Willy - Wednesday, May 24, 17 @ 3:07 pm:
I suggested before, and I suggest now.
A stenographer.
Goldberg is still my favorite. It’s not even close.
- phocion - Wednesday, May 24, 17 @ 3:08 pm:
Goldberg invited BFC, and only BFC. She wanted to invite others to a meeting that she was invited to. He said no. Goldberg is in the right.
- Pat Matummy - Wednesday, May 24, 17 @ 3:09 pm:
Why is a chief of staff negotiating the budget in the first place? And one-on-one? Ugh.
There is light at the end of this tunnel; unfortunately, it’s quite likely at the front end of a train. Double ugh.
- Daniel Plainview - Wednesday, May 24, 17 @ 3:11 pm:
- And, indeed, bringing a bunch of people to a meeting is a classic way of slowing down a process -
And a real CoS handles that situation instead of whining like a 3 year old.
- PJ - Wednesday, May 24, 17 @ 3:12 pm:
Let’s count the list of things Barb Curry and Rich Goldberg alone in a room together are capable of and authorized to solve -
….
Anyone come up with one yet?
- Rich Miller - Wednesday, May 24, 17 @ 3:16 pm:
===and authorized to solve===
Rauner won’t make a move without Goldberg. Period.
- 47th Ward - Wednesday, May 24, 17 @ 3:17 pm:
Given the robo calls his boss is paying for, I understand why Goldberg doesn’t want to meet with more than one HDEM at a time, lol. Awkward.
- Anonymous - Wednesday, May 24, 17 @ 3:17 pm:
Code for we don’t want to compromise with you, we only want to raise taxes and you aint getting property tax freezes, workers comp reforms, or anything. Got it???
- WhoKnew - Wednesday, May 24, 17 @ 3:19 pm:
Can meet Road.
CLANK!
- Texas Red - Wednesday, May 24, 17 @ 3:23 pm:
She refused his meeting offer, the rest is just noise. who cares what they may/may not have been able to achieve. Leaders are supposed to lead not weakly duck a meeting. This one is on the Leader Currie.
- Adults in the room - Wednesday, May 24, 17 @ 3:23 pm:
Property taxes are local! is the governor offering how to pay for local government needs that will be unable to raise revenue if the state freezes their revenue stream. Does he propose a tax swap. Raise income tax to pay for schools and local governments and then we lower property taxes
Local governments are elected if people are tired of high property taxes then talk to your school boards and library board and fire districts and city hall.
The GOP has proven they cannot manage, sometime you have to do unpopular things because that is the right thing to do
- Anonymous - Wednesday, May 24, 17 @ 3:29 pm:
They could have agreed to meet, but agreeing on the size and shape of the table would have take 9 months.
- Get a Job!! - Wednesday, May 24, 17 @ 3:43 pm:
So Goldberg wanted to meet to determine if a meeting was worthwhile.
Talk about a dysfunctional waste of time. Seriously, just meet, what does anyone have to lose at this point?
- Rabid - Wednesday, May 24, 17 @ 3:43 pm:
Good word choice 10 you/your 5 me/I,he is a persistent rascal ain’t he
- Cubs in '16 - Wednesday, May 24, 17 @ 3:44 pm:
If BFC agrees to meet with Goldberg one-on-one she runs the risk of being snarked to death.
- Demoralized - Wednesday, May 24, 17 @ 3:44 pm:
==Leaders are supposed to lead ==
I agree with you. I’m not sure we’d be in the position we are in now if we had a leader who actually led.
- Montrose - Wednesday, May 24, 17 @ 3:45 pm:
“I want to meet, but one-to-one.”
“I accept the meeting, but would like to bring others.”
“I accept more people, but limit it to you and one other person.”
“I would counter with two other people.”
“One other and we set a time and date for the larger meeting now.”
“deal”
See how it could have actually moved forward if they actually wanted it to move forward?
- Perrid - Wednesday, May 24, 17 @ 3:45 pm:
Leader Currie has actual reasons not to meet one on one, mostly the fact that the details of the meeting can then be “misconstrued” at will. Where’s Goldberg doesn’t want a larger group because it would be a waste of his time? Yeah, I know who is being more obstructionist here.
- cdog - Wednesday, May 24, 17 @ 3:47 pm:
Currie is not much of a warrior is she? That’s a pretty cowardly approach.
At least they could have commiserated with each other about their overlords. /s
- Gimme a break - Wednesday, May 24, 17 @ 3:47 pm:
BFC has every right to ask for someone else to be in the room with her. It’s not like these are scrupulous people. They take everything and twist it, so no, she should not be meeting alone with Goldberg of all people.
Also, I don’t think they come to the table with the same or equal bargaining power. While Rauner is dependent on Goldberg, I’d argue that BFC doesn’t have the same ability to sway, so what’s the point?
I applaud her for being cautious and not falling for this poorly laid trap. We’re too close to the end of session for people to be talking through their surrogates. The one-on-ones should be happening by the Governor and Speaker.
- cdog - Wednesday, May 24, 17 @ 3:58 pm:
I take issue with the comment from “Adults in the room,” “…is the governor offering how to pay for local government needs that will be unable to raise revenue if the state freezes their revenue stream.”
The rest of the entire nation gets by with less than 2/3s the taxing bodies and much less property tax cash flow.
Illinois’ experiment to be the blue state mecca of tax and spend is failing; nothing is being accomplished for anybody. Good job, folks.
Cudos to Goldberg to go public with this. The folks need to know that Team Madigan are up to their same old tricks.
- Anonymous - Wednesday, May 24, 17 @ 4:01 pm:
Demoralized, I agree with you, MJM needed to be a leader and he has completely abdicated his responsibility.
- wordslinger - Wednesday, May 24, 17 @ 4:19 pm:
–Rauner won’t make a move without Goldberg. Period.–
So he gets credit for the Village People ensembles?
- Liandro - Wednesday, May 24, 17 @ 4:28 pm:
“is the governor offering how to pay for local government needs that will be unable to raise revenue if the state freezes their revenue stream.”
Local governments have beens successfully passing sales tax referendums all over the place lately. I can think of five just in the Sauk Valley in the past couple of years.
I’m not saying I like it, nor am I recommending it…just pointing out that a property tax freeze doesn’t end the options. It just raises the bar needed to convince voters that more money is truly needed.
- wordslinger - Wednesday, May 24, 17 @ 4:50 pm:
–I was told earlier today that Goldberg wanted to gauge how sincere this effort was by first meeting one-on-one with Currie.–
Honestly sincere. Very important to Frat Boy Goldberg. You gotta be. Oh baby.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XIJkGUBy77U
- 47th Ward - Wednesday, May 24, 17 @ 4:55 pm:
Geez Word, put a warning up before leaving a link like that. Good Lord, where did you find that…whatever that was.
I’m trying, but I can’t unsee that.
- wordslinger - Wednesday, May 24, 17 @ 4:58 pm:
47, unlike some, Ann Margret’s parents thought New Trier was good enough.
- wordslinger - Wednesday, May 24, 17 @ 5:06 pm:
47, I’m surprised you’ve never seen that. Classic.
How about this one? Because, in this crisis, you’ve gotta be sincere. Honestly sincere. It’s gotta be right.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BLTgWHWWAhA
- Yellow Dog Democrat - Wednesday, May 24, 17 @ 5:14 pm:
Once again, Richard Goldberg does not seem to know his place.
Goldberg might be chief of staff, but he is still staff. No one elected him, no one will remember him when he is gone.
If Rauner wanted a meeting with Madigan, and Madigan countered by having Mapes say he would be happy to meet the governor, to “gauge his seriousness,” Republicans would be outraged and rightly so.
End of the day, Rauner is refusing to meet with lawmakers.
- 47th Ward - Wednesday, May 24, 17 @ 5:14 pm:
Somehow my life felt complete without having seen that. Now I’ve seen it twice.
Seriously, put a trigger warning on it next time pal. Wow. I need a loofah for my brain.
- baloneymous - Wednesday, May 24, 17 @ 5:34 pm:
so we have to be more concerned with what Goldberg thinks and wants before our Governor can act or decide for himself. great this helps.
- Rabid - Wednesday, May 24, 17 @ 5:57 pm:
Goldie you have become insignificant, no one cares you can lip sync the turnaround agenda anymore
- PublicServant - Wednesday, May 24, 17 @ 6:01 pm:
Word, that wasn’t filmed in Kenilworth was it?
- Huh? - Wednesday, May 24, 17 @ 6:23 pm:
Why would the fair maiden have a one on one meeting with the prince of darkness? He could claim she sold her soul, it’s the glowing orb, right here in this crystal jar. /s
- Just Sayin ... - Wednesday, May 24, 17 @ 7:05 pm:
Ahh, and how many votes did Goldberg receive to demand a one on one with Leader Currie?
- Arthur Andersen - Wednesday, May 24, 17 @ 8:22 pm:
I bet both you guys played that part in your high school musical. AA?
Professor Harold Hill, of course.
- G'Kar - Thursday, May 25, 17 @ 12:17 am:
Wordslinger, as I am reading this, Bye Bye Birdie is playing on TCM!
- Rabid - Thursday, May 25, 17 @ 7:11 am:
Pushing elected officials out of the way. Private citizen goldberg hijacking negotiations,OODA