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The real danger with the way the Rauner purge is being handled
Tuesday, Jul 18, 2017 - Posted by Rich Miller * “Radical Candor,” which appears to be run by former Rauner staffers, was the first to expose the tweets of the governor’s new “body man” yesterday. It’s also been a sharp critic of the rest of the new Rauner staff…
* But this has only just begun. Here’s Wordslinger in comments earlier today…
Yep. Lots of bodies were quietly buried over the past two and a half years and I expect maps to those corpses will be distributed soon. Actually, between us, that’s already happening. * So, Natasha is right…
And possibly for months to come.
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- Chicago Cynic - Tuesday, Jul 18, 17 @ 11:08 am:
But Rauner’s been successful in everything he’s ever done so we should just trust him, right?
Seriously though, this is both cruel and shockingly stupid and self-destructive. Radical Candor and the leaks were inevitable from this approach. I mean, didn’t these people learn anything from the early days of the Trump Administration and the Intelligence Community. If you pee on people enough, they’re going to pee back and worse.
Dumb. Dumb. Dumb.
- Ahoy! - Tuesday, Jul 18, 17 @ 11:08 am:
Isn’t this how Shock went down?
- Dome Gnome - Tuesday, Jul 18, 17 @ 11:08 am:
Rauner forgot the first rule of politics: “The enemy of my enemy is my friend.”
- Arsenal - Tuesday, Jul 18, 17 @ 11:09 am:
The other big danger is that everyone keeps calling it a “purge”!
- The Captain - Tuesday, Jul 18, 17 @ 11:12 am:
I had always assumed that to keep the lights on with no budget, especially at the prisons, some money got moved around where maybe there wasn’t the authority to do so. If that happened then some of the people who were dismissed would probably be able to point it out, I’ll be interested to see if there are any reports.
It will be a delicate dynamic though. The people who were let go or resigned may have a lot of pent up anger and frustration, but they probably still see the Speaker as the enemy, see the crop of Democratic candidates as a step in the wrong direction, etc. so after the initial feelings wear off the realization will set in that getting revenge will also have the unintended consequences of helping these Democrats and we will probably see this stuff taper off.
- Anonymous - Tuesday, Jul 18, 17 @ 11:17 am:
== so after the initial feelings wear off the realization will set in that getting revenge will also have the unintended consequences of helping these Democrats and we will probably see this stuff taper off.==
That depends on what the end goal is with all of this.
- Norseman - Tuesday, Jul 18, 17 @ 11:18 am:
=== “Radical Candor,” which appears to be run by former Rauner staffers … ===
Whoever is behind Radical Candor has been doing superstar snark. Goldberg is that you?
- Blue Bayou - Tuesday, Jul 18, 17 @ 11:18 am:
Somehow selling your party out to super-rich ideologues has negative outcomes.
At least this is only at the state level for the GOP…..
- @MisterJayEm - Tuesday, Jul 18, 17 @ 11:19 am:
As LBJ said of J. Edgar Hoover, “It’s probably better to have him inside the tent [peeing] out, than outside the tent [peeing] in.”
And Rauner just threw a whole bunch micturating minions out of his tent.
– MrJM
- Centennial - Tuesday, Jul 18, 17 @ 11:20 am:
Yep. Rule number one - don’t fire anyone leading up to or during an election. I honestly didn’t think they would turn on him though. That restores a glimmer of hope for the IL GOP (long term)in my eyes.
- the Patriot - Tuesday, Jul 18, 17 @ 11:23 am:
Any time you see, “the real problem with…” It means there are too many problems to fully analyze them all…which is the real problem.
I appreciate the sentiment that Rauner sold the Republican Party to the super rich, but the GOP was DOA before Rauner appeared. He simply created a block of people looking for any option to end the Blagojevich Quinn option.
- wordslinger - Tuesday, Jul 18, 17 @ 11:23 am:
Did Tillman tell Rauner he could sign an executive order outlawing human nature, as documented since the crust cooled?
I’ve always thought Rauner has acted competently in his self-interest and in achieving his real objectives.
The last ten days have been astoundingly FUBAR.
- Me Again - Tuesday, Jul 18, 17 @ 11:24 am:
So Rauner fired his racist homophobe staffer on his first day, but it’s OK if the guy goes to work at any other state agency? Destroying the state from within?
- ILGOV2018 - Tuesday, Jul 18, 17 @ 11:26 am:
You live by the sword you die by the sword. Rauner is going to find out he should not have purged his staff the way he did. Just like a woman scorned an employee loses his job and replaced with hack amateurs is certainly bound to lash out.
- Macbeth - Tuesday, Jul 18, 17 @ 11:27 am:
Diana and Bruce love their cocktail parties. And the approbation of their friends.
This turns into hyper-partisan ire in the bubble. And boy: what a bubble the odd couple find themselves in.
- Cubs in '16 - Tuesday, Jul 18, 17 @ 11:27 am:
I love the smell of karma in the morning.
- LizPhairTax - Tuesday, Jul 18, 17 @ 11:27 am:
Maybe somebody at one of those north shore cocktail parties can share some tips on what to do when the help gets upset
- SAP - Tuesday, Jul 18, 17 @ 11:28 am:
A lot of this flows directly from the “Run government like a business” mindset. Instead of bulding coalitions to get 30 and 60 to get 90% of what he wanted and declaring victory, the Governor is pressing his bet that if he keeps insisting that his way is the only way and soon enough everyone will see the light and fall into line.
- slow down - Tuesday, Jul 18, 17 @ 11:28 am:
Rauner still thinks he can run the state with the same heavy hand he ran all those companies he controlled in the private equity world. This is despite nearly 3 years of disastrous results and he has thus far shown absolutely no ability to hold himself to the same standards he holds all other to.
- Centennial - Tuesday, Jul 18, 17 @ 11:28 am:
Their twitter feed has the smartest and most hilarious commentary I’ve read in a long time. If it is Goldberg/ I take back almost everything I’ve ever said about him.
Also highlights a HUGE hole in Dem messaging and digital game in general.
- Blue Bayou - Tuesday, Jul 18, 17 @ 11:30 am:
Remember Rauner’s extensive business experience in customer service?
I don’t either.
- SAP - Tuesday, Jul 18, 17 @ 11:31 am:
== Their twitter feed has the smartest and most hilarious commentary I’ve read in a long time. If it is Goldberg/ I take back almost everything I’ve ever said about him. Also highlights a HUGE hole in Dem messaging and digital game in general. == Agreed, especially the part about Dem messaging.
- WhoKnew - Tuesday, Jul 18, 17 @ 11:32 am:
Supreme Leader must be highly satisfied that the Group Think will me much more decisive, now that the Think Tank has been appropriately re-apportioned! /s
- ChrisB - Tuesday, Jul 18, 17 @ 11:32 am:
Some of the outgoing staff I’ve seen have been absolutely savage. This will not end well.
- Mama - Tuesday, Jul 18, 17 @ 11:36 am:
Wordslinger, I will bet you the former staff had to sign a form stating they would not publically disclose any negative information about Rauner during or after they were employed by the State.
- Oswego Willy - Tuesday, Jul 18, 17 @ 11:37 am:
Imagine the Lufthansa Heist… and all those involved had lived…
That’s kinda like this.
Too many people know too many things.
This business is trading on trust and showing trust and giving trust.
The cardinal sin is betraying that trust.
That happens?
@RadicalCandorIL appears.
- Herman Wouk - Tuesday, Jul 18, 17 @ 11:40 am:
Bruce can always get work doing summer stock appearances as Cmd. Philip M. Queeg USN in the revival of The Caine Mutiny.
- DuPager - Tuesday, Jul 18, 17 @ 11:41 am:
While I’m pretty sure Rauner won’t go Jimmy Burke from Goodfellas, still interested to see where Radical Candor leads. With this race, I’m sure we’ll see JB and Kennedy going after some ex-staff for hit pieces.
- renuaR - Tuesday, Jul 18, 17 @ 11:42 am:
Is there, or will there be, anyone left on the inside who even knows where the bodies are buried? That sets up the possibility of some surprise bombshells creating even more damage.
Rauner is destroying the GOP and most of these folks know that. Taking this guy down would not be abandoning the party.
- Phenomynous - Tuesday, Jul 18, 17 @ 11:45 am:
“Rauner is destroying the GOP and most of these folks know that.”
Mike Madigan, and the Bruce Rauner he controls.
- How Ironic - Tuesday, Jul 18, 17 @ 11:45 am:
@Mama,
There are ways that can be worked around. And, I’m not sure the Gov can restrict free speech confidentiality agreement or not.
- VanillaMan - Tuesday, Jul 18, 17 @ 11:46 am:
It’s a purge.
It’s also a walkout.
Staffers aren’t leaving because they’re hopeful or happy. They are leaving because they have to, voluntarily or involuntarily.
Discovering the real Rauner has made me furious and feel played as a fool, yet I was never a supporter or fan of his. I can’t imagine how badly his true believers are feeling today after he repeatedly mistreats them.
Sure. They’re hurt. They have to be. Rauner isn’t who he claimed to be. They must feel horrible.
The guys posting here in support of Rauner aren’t supporting the man per se, as they are supporting the goals Rauner promised. Somehow they think everyone else is corrupted. They don’t want to see a Democrat as governor, so they stick with Rauner.
Rauner was a terrible governor for everyone, including for his fans. We’ll look back on him and shake our heads. This guy blew it big-time.
- Ron Burgundy - Tuesday, Jul 18, 17 @ 11:52 am:
“There are ways that can be worked around. And, I’m not sure the Gov can restrict free speech confidentiality agreement or not.”
Right. They were State employees, not Rauner employees. He wasn’t paying them.
- Stumpy's bunker - Tuesday, Jul 18, 17 @ 11:53 am:
Republican legislators, at least privately, have to be taking notice of Rauner’s willingness to cast off fellow travelers.
Is the risk really worth continuing to hitch their wagon to his star?
Loyalty inspired by “I won’t hurt you if you help me” can only go so far. I’m surprised that it worked at all.
- Nick Name - Tuesday, Jul 18, 17 @ 11:55 am:
Are you still having fun, Gov. Gaslight? I am.
- Amalia - Tuesday, Jul 18, 17 @ 11:55 am:
I don’t get what Rauner is doing at all. not my style. But you never know with how these things work. Purge to tighten the ship. Will firing someone 5 months from retirement, and others late into their tenure hurt KFoxx in the next SAO election ? Mean is mean. and Rauner is mean.
- Real - Tuesday, Jul 18, 17 @ 11:55 am:
If Rauner could fire his most loyal employees what makes LP and other Rauner supporters still believe Rauner has there best interest? He is creating a completely unstable Illinois. He did some with the state workers, budget, his own employees, and now he is doing so with schools.
- Team Warwick - Tuesday, Jul 18, 17 @ 11:57 am:
Radical Candor sounds just like the name of a depression era race horse……uh…. oops, nope that was Sea Biscuit.
Very dry humor.
- Mittuns - Tuesday, Jul 18, 17 @ 11:59 am:
One-term Governor point-one percent should save himself and his pals that $250 million and just go enjoy his life at one of his nine houses.
- Oswego Willy - Tuesday, Jul 18, 17 @ 12:05 pm:
===While I’m pretty sure Rauner won’t go Jimmy Burke from Goodfellas…===
lol, agreed, Rauner won’t go full Jimmy Burke, but the female executive Rauner threatened, and bringing in her family, and the different view what “ruin” and “bury” in Rauner lingo.
- Team Warwick - Tuesday, Jul 18, 17 @ 12:08 pm:
The whole bunch has a likeability problem that doesnt make for a good re-election prospect.
- Phil King - Tuesday, Jul 18, 17 @ 12:09 pm:
How, specifically, should he have handled the firings differently?
And why aren’t we criticizing the children who can’t handle being fired but instead lash out over Twitter?
- Mama - Tuesday, Jul 18, 17 @ 12:10 pm:
- Mittuns - Tuesday, Jul 18, 17 @ 11:59 am: =
Rauner will never resign. Rauner is having the time of the life. He has never been happier.
- ILPundit - Tuesday, Jul 18, 17 @ 12:12 pm:
I feel like all the people purged by Rauner are together somewhere, logged in to twitter, jamming in a mosh pit while Alanis Morrissette”s “You Oughta Know” is being blasted on repeat.
- Anonymous - Tuesday, Jul 18, 17 @ 12:13 pm:
I get that the former staffers are bitter, but it’s been clear for a long time that the man is unhinged. They didn’t seem to have a problem with that as long as the paychecks kept coming.
- Mama - Tuesday, Jul 18, 17 @ 12:15 pm:
“And, I’m not sure the Gov can restrict free speech confidentiality agreement or not.”
How Ironic, The so called “free speech” is what got the body-man fired.
- How Ironic - Tuesday, Jul 18, 17 @ 12:21 pm:
@Phil King
To fire essentially the entire staff en masse, as Rauner did is as you point out entirely within his pervue.
So is walking out in front of traffic in a crosswalk, as pedestrians have the right of way. Doesn’t make it smart or prudent.
As for criticizing those who are ‘lashing out’, I beg to differ. If you dedicate your career and reputation to defending someone in office, that loyalty is expected to be a 2 way street.
Instead, Rauner used his staff like a kleenex. Filled them with all of his nonsense, then cast them aside at a moments notice w/out any acknowledgement of their work and sacrifice.
If you expect people to act professionally upon their discharge….then treat them as a professional.
- ??? - Tuesday, Jul 18, 17 @ 12:22 pm:
Mama, “free speech” doesn’t mean that what you say won’t have consequences. But what consequences do these former staffers face? Being fired? Oh, wait….
- wordslinger - Tuesday, Jul 18, 17 @ 12:23 pm:
PK, you’re a laugh riot.
The actual title of the book is “Radical
Candor: Be a Kick-a– Boss without Losing Your Humanity.”
But, of course, for the righteous and pure, there is but one true path….
- RNUG - Tuesday, Jul 18, 17 @ 12:27 pm:
== I had always assumed that to keep the lights on with no budget, ==
Me too. Definitely awaiting what gets leaked now.
- Da big bad wolf - Tuesday, Jul 18, 17 @ 12:28 pm:
== And why aren’t we criticizing the children who can’t handle being fired but instead lash out over Twitter?==
schadenfrued.
- Chicago 20 - Tuesday, Jul 18, 17 @ 12:31 pm:
Maybe then we will find out how John Coli, Rauner’s appointee to the state labor board,was uniquely qualified to obtain millions in state grants and tax abatements for Cinespace Chicago Film Studios.
- Oswego Willy - Tuesday, Jul 18, 17 @ 12:33 pm:
I dunno which is worse…
They fully vetted the guy, Rauner received the good and bad and too the chance no one would drop the dime…
They never even thought to fully vet the guy, they “sent him” to Rauner for final, and Rauner and all the new Crew just didn’t do a lick of due diligence…
Dunno which is worse, but Rauner involved in the process is just awful now and bad on ALL involved in this fiasco
- don the legend - Tuesday, Jul 18, 17 @ 12:35 pm:
Phil King…party of one, your table is ready.
- Mama - Tuesday, Jul 18, 17 @ 12:37 pm:
Why was the offensive body- man offered another job with the state, but not the other staff whom were fired this past week?
The body-man whom was fired over his past Tweets was totally political. Rauner wants the black & LGTG’s votes.
- RNUG - Tuesday, Jul 18, 17 @ 12:38 pm:
== How, specifically, should he have handled the firings differently? ==
The fact you ask this question tells me you were never involved / don’t understand how to play the political game.
Answer: you shuffle them to the side with a new job in some agency, maybe even a slight raise or promotion, at least until after the election. If you truly want to get rid of them, you fire them after the election.
“Keep your friends close and your enemies closer.”
- VanillaMan - Tuesday, Jul 18, 17 @ 12:41 pm:
Phil,
Due to you unoriginal frequently disconnected ramblings, we’ve got you marked down as a “drive-by” commenter. By the way, what was the last year you drove your brown Plymouth Caravelle? Which of your grandkids do you think has your keys to it?
What are your HAM radio call letters?
Where do you find a YMCA towel long enough to wrap around you when you sit in the steam bath, or are you the guy letting it all hang out?
We can recommend a dermotologist for that rash you have, so you’d be less cranky.
- Phil King - Tuesday, Jul 18, 17 @ 12:49 pm:
==you shuffle them to the side with a new job in some agency==
Right, so you’re advocating patronage. At least be clear about it.
You want to “shuffle” these people into positions where they aren’t needed at agencies that don’t want them. You want Rauner to repeat the Blago/Quinn mistake that made IL hiring practices the subject of a federal investigation.
Did you forget that he ran on an anti-corruption platform?
- @bamatthews - Tuesday, Jul 18, 17 @ 12:50 pm:
You’ve got to be Phil King kidding me?
- Pundent - Tuesday, Jul 18, 17 @ 12:53 pm:
=Right, so you’re advocating patronage. At least be clear about it.=
No need to use the “P” word here. I’m sure there are plenty of legitimate jobs in the Deputy Governor’s office that these staffers could have taken.
- Phenomynous - Tuesday, Jul 18, 17 @ 12:55 pm:
Pundent @12:53 just knocked it out of the park. That’s hilarious.
- Oswego Willy - Tuesday, Jul 18, 17 @ 12:55 pm:
===You want to “shuffle” these people into positions where they aren’t needed at agencies that don’t want them. You want Rauner to repeat the Blago/Quinn mistake that made IL hiring practices the subject of a federal investigation.
Did you forget that he ran on an anti-corruption platform?===
Welp, here’s the rub to all that…
The political game, rules, the cardinal sins… yeah, they haven’t changed. “Why?”… Cardinal sins in anything never change.
That’s why, you are perplexed at the fallout with @RadicalCandorIL, but I am not.
What I’m perplexed about is how outright savage this Twitter is and I hope to see it continue as long as it can, until it can’t anymore.
Why do I say that?
I understand the cardinal sin Rauner broke. This is what happens, or actually could happen, and it’s known. So…
- JS Mill - Tuesday, Jul 18, 17 @ 12:55 pm:
@Phil King - “you are advocating patronage”, yeah right.
Talk to me about Leslie Munger.
No, I’ll wait. LOL.
- Oswego Willy - Tuesday, Jul 18, 17 @ 12:58 pm:
===Talk to me about Leslie Munger.===
Well played - J S Mill - and thanks for the very kind hat tip on the Rauners/Diana post.
Hard to see the Munger hire and the Crew and Staff dismissal and be confused why there is blowback on both Rauners
- King Louis XVI - Tuesday, Jul 18, 17 @ 1:02 pm:
Phil,
Here’s what happened to Rauner’s anti-corruption platform after Munger lost:
“State records show that many of the 23 people who were hired by Rauner’s office or agencies he controls make salaries similar to what they were paid in the comptroller’s office.”
http://www.sj-r.com/news/20170106/23-former-munger-workers-hired-by-rauner-administration
You’re welcome.
- Original Rambler - Tuesday, Jul 18, 17 @ 1:03 pm:
Why not find them a soft landing? He did it with the Munger posse.
- Anonymous - Tuesday, Jul 18, 17 @ 1:04 pm:
The basic rule is, you treat those loyal to you with respect. You don’t treat them as trash on their way out, escorts and all. Those basic rules were not followed, by people who have neither respect, loyalty, or honor.
- Anon - Tuesday, Jul 18, 17 @ 1:06 pm:
My kingdom for this to be true. A jail sentence would be sweet. Maybe someone knows more about those shady warehouse deals and will come forward.
- wordslinger - Tuesday, Jul 18, 17 @ 1:08 pm:
Are there no openings in the secretary of education’s office?
- walker - Tuesday, Jul 18, 17 @ 1:09 pm:
Don’t blame IPI or any of the newbies.
This is Rauner doing what is standard for his style of “venture capitalist.” The difference is that these victims have more audience and potential power than those he fired in the private sector.
- Centennial - Tuesday, Jul 18, 17 @ 1:12 pm:
Ugh. Please tell me PK isn’t from the current superstar crew. Moving someone to another open exempt position is vastly different than what PQ did at IDOT (which is what I’m assuming you’re referring to.
- Generic Drone - Tuesday, Jul 18, 17 @ 1:13 pm:
Raunerites = loyality is a 2 way street
Rauner = Not so much
- @MisterJayEm - Tuesday, Jul 18, 17 @ 1:16 pm:
“And why aren’t we criticizing the children who can’t handle being fired but instead lash out over Twitter?”
Rauner ruthlessly tossed his most loyal flunkeys under the bus — and now you wanna cry because they’ve made his ride bumpy?
Good luck with that.
– MrJM
- Earnest - Tuesday, Jul 18, 17 @ 1:36 pm:
>>You want to “shuffle” these people into positions where they aren’t needed at agencies that don’t want them. You want Rauner to repeat the Blago/Quinn mistake that made IL hiring practices the subject of a federal investigation.
>No need to use the “P” word here. I’m sure there are plenty of legitimate jobs in the Deputy Governor’s office that these staffers could have taken.
>Are there no openings in the secretary of education’s office?
For any newbies, Leslie Munger is the Deputy Governor. I am grateful to witness this shellacking.
- LizPhairTax - Tuesday, Jul 18, 17 @ 1:47 pm:
Looks like Lucky Pierre got let go as well. RIP.
- RNUG - Tuesday, Jul 18, 17 @ 2:03 pm:
== Looks like Lucky Pierre got let go as well. RIP. ==
Or just changed his name …
- RNUG - Tuesday, Jul 18, 17 @ 2:05 pm:
== Right, so you’re advocating patronage. At least be clear about it. ==
Just advocating buying silence for a period of time. That’s done even in the private sector at times.
- wordslinger - Tuesday, Jul 18, 17 @ 2:08 pm:
Looks like an aggrieved party has responded to Radical Candor with the creation of a Poor Goldberg twitter account.
Gee, I wonder who the Likely Suspects are?
They dont appear to be too concerned about maintaining an unblemished record of decency and civility. Graphic and nasty, actually.
I dont think this crew is very smart or good at things.
- RNUG - Tuesday, Jul 18, 17 @ 2:08 pm:
== You want Rauner to repeat the Blago/Quinn mistake that made IL hiring practices the subject of a federal investigation. ==
There are plenty of exempt titles …
- Rich Miller - Tuesday, Jul 18, 17 @ 2:13 pm:
===Did you forget that he ran on an anti-corruption platform? ===
LOL
Don’t be so sanctimonious.
- Anonymous - Tuesday, Jul 18, 17 @ 2:24 pm:
==I dont think this crew is very smart or good at things.==
If they want to make a battle out of this between groups, I know who I’d bet on. Money can’t beat great snark or information when social media is cheap and connections already exist.
- Anonymous - Tuesday, Jul 18, 17 @ 2:39 pm:
Phil, a Governor’s staff does 99.9999% of the work. Governor’s are too busy “politicin”. You can fire people, but you can’t clear house without consequence. That’s human nature. Don’t pretend otherwise.
- JS Mill - Tuesday, Jul 18, 17 @ 2:52 pm:
I guess “Phil’s” hypocrisy got the best of him, maybe now he is repentant after being shown the error of his ways.
Maybe the same is true for old Lucky P?
Anywho..much respect for Word, RNUG, MrJM, and of course OW.
We may not always agree but your constant engagement and ability to digest info is part of what makes this site so great. Hat tip to Rich for the blog and your ability to keep us in the know. The importance of the blog, Rich, is never more pronounced than in these never before experienced and unsettled times. You are the best.
- Phil King - Tuesday, Jul 18, 17 @ 3:06 pm:
==hypocrisy got the best of him==
Lol, what are you even talking about?
Not responding is not some admission of defeat. Their arguments were shallow and they’re so brain-washed they’d never let themselves be convinced.
Yes, Rauner found landing spots for Munger and her staff. Incidentally that call was made under whose watch? Yup, Goldberg.
CapFax commenters ripped him when he found landing spots and now they’re ripping him for not finding landing spots.
Maybe take a look at your own hypocrisy.
- Anonymous - Tuesday, Jul 18, 17 @ 3:12 pm:
==Incidentally that call was made under whose watch? Yup, Goldberg.==
Ah, so Goldberg was the one with an inclinling to do what is right for people who put their names and reputations on the line for Rauner, and not Rauner himself. And now that he’s gone, all sense of dignity, loyalty, and respect is gone. Thanks for confirming.
- Oswego Willy - Tuesday, Jul 18, 17 @ 3:17 pm:
===CapFax commenters ripped him when he found landing spots and now they’re ripping him for not finding landing spots.===
Munger and her Staff and Cew that were picked up could be considered a “courtesy of allies” and while Rauner (and Goldberg) did catch heat, it was the “courtesy of allies” at play.
This? This purge?
In many cases, direct personal and campaign connections, both Staff and Crew directly to the Governor, were just summarily dismissed.
In the direct, many times absolute direct, connection to this governor, the political arm and the obvious and real governing arm, that’s the Cardinal Sin.
It wouldn’t have been breaking the Cardinal Rule if Rauner’s Crew took only 2 or 3, or even the 23, and Munger.
Rauner dismissed or ran out 22 members of his direct Staff and Crew, without option, so Rauner gets what is happening and speaking only for me, what is called for in breaking the Cardinal Rule.
- ArchPundit - Tuesday, Jul 18, 17 @ 3:32 pm:
It’s not just moving them around state jobs, you could easily find them work in campaigns or political operations or even private businesses–especially the comms folks.
Walking them out the door to replace them with people who have literally no experience doing their new jobs is bad form.
- Centennial - Tuesday, Jul 18, 17 @ 3:37 pm:
You guys thinking a millionaire, failed candidate getting a soft landing and finding a job for a secretary are one in the same is actually a huge part of your problem. I never
- Soccermom - Tuesday, Jul 18, 17 @ 3:52 pm:
Phil, I know that this is a fruitless effort. But try to understand that differing situations usually require different solutions.
When Leslie Munger lost her very expensive race, Bruce Rauner gave her and her staff some very cushy spots in the deputy governor’s office. By doing this, Rauner used public funds to pay political favors. This is a very common, but still unethical, response to losing an election.
Later, Bruce decided to clean house and get rid of a bunch of a people who have been with him for a long time. Instead of following the normal political playbook (i.e., dumping them in agencies and then quietly removing them from the payroll over the next few months), Bruce decided to go postal and have security walk these well-connected, media-savvy folks to their cars. This is neither ethical nor commonplace.
In the first instance, we were criticizing his lack of ethics and his hypocrisy in creating a bunch of unnecessary, highly paid jobs in the Gov’s office at a time when the State was not paying its bills. In the second instance, we were commenting on his inability to foresee that dumping a big group of well-connected loyalists was likely to end in tears — on his side.
See, one is a problem of ethics, and one is a problem of common sense. In the best of all possible worlds, it would be nice to have a governor who had both. (To dreeeeeeeaam, the impossssssible dreeeeeeeeam…)
- Flapdoodle - Tuesday, Jul 18, 17 @ 3:57 pm:
==they’re so brain-washed they’d never let themselves be convinced.==
==Their arguments were shallow==
Ad hominem arguments (look it up, we’ll wait) are about the hollowest sort available, often used when evidence-based arguments are either unavailable or ineffective. Ideologues unable to sell their wares are among the most common purveyors of such attacks, which seem to provide them a sort of psychological re-assurance.
- truthbetold - Tuesday, Jul 18, 17 @ 4:16 pm:
Soccer Mom, your rendition of the song from “man of La Mancha was priceless. In my book you win this round, hands down
- Thoughts Matter - Tuesday, Jul 18, 17 @ 4:27 pm:
There was no need to walk these people out the door. They weren’t being fired for any reason other than just because. They could have been given an opportunity to transfer into a position they were qualified for, exempt or thru the standard hiring process. They could have been offered severance and given a few weeks warning. By the way - this routine doesn’t play well for morale in the private sector either. It’s just that the staff usually can’t get anyone interested in the media.
- Soccermom - Tuesday, Jul 18, 17 @ 4:43 pm:
This all reminds me of when I worked rather briefly for an administration that shall not be named. Things were not going well, and as I walked out the door one morning, my husband said, “You’re fine as long as they don’t offer you a job at the Tollway.”
Later that day, I was in a meeting with the Comms Director, and she said, “Hey, I saw a job that might be right for you over at Tollway.”
She seemed nonplussed when I began laughing hysterically…
- Phil King - Tuesday, Jul 18, 17 @ 4:45 pm:
@offered severance and given warning
They’re being paid trough the end of the month.
- Oswego Willy - Tuesday, Jul 18, 17 @ 4:47 pm:
===They’re being paid trough the end of the month===
- Phil King -
How do you know?
- wordslinger - Tuesday, Jul 18, 17 @ 4:53 pm:
–When Leslie Munger lost her very expensive race, Bruce Rauner gave her and her staff some very cushy spots in the deputy governor’s office. –
Actually, the deputy governor’s office and position, like the secretary of education’s office and position, do not exist.
Munger is listed as a contractual senior operations director at Healthcare and Family Services.
How goo-goo is that, PK?
http://accountability.illinois.gov/Employees/Employee/EmployeeDetails.aspx?Year=2017&Agency=0&ID=3751b2bd-4c6b-e711-b581-009c029850bc
- JS Mill - Tuesday, Jul 18, 17 @ 5:49 pm:
Ahhh PK, so easily bait d to come out from under your rock. Lol.
Munger was appointed to Comptroller after she lost an election.
Munger was appointed deputy governor or some other made up gig after she lost an election.
Regardless of “who’s watch” (both under Rauner by the way) Munger has made a nice career out of losing elections.
We will have to coin a new phrase for Munger “to the loser go the spoils”. Sounds funny but it works.
Rauner is just a spoiled loser. An PK sold out for all of the failure. Super job big guy.
- Phil King - Tuesday, Jul 18, 17 @ 5:50 pm:
@OW,
Sources.
- Oswego Willy - Tuesday, Jul 18, 17 @ 5:54 pm:
===Sources.===
So, you work for the state, the governor…
“Sources” is kinda vague, and you brought up the word… “Sources”…
- Phil King - Tuesday, Jul 18, 17 @ 5:57 pm:
I know people who do.
- Anon221 - Tuesday, Jul 18, 17 @ 6:02 pm:
Wherever Rauner and the IPIes try to hide/disguise the “movement” to another agency, I’ll bet Mendoza will be able to find ‘em. And, I’m pretty sure their salaries and titles will show up on sites like Radical Candor;)
- JS Mill - Tuesday, Jul 18, 17 @ 6:19 pm:
“I know people who do”. That is sweet.
You aren’t alone.
Speaking out against patronage when your hero is king of patronage.
That is hypocritical by any definition except governor “not my fault” Rauner’s.
- Oswego Willy - Tuesday, Jul 18, 17 @ 6:23 pm:
===I know people who do.===
So, “someome”, unethically, told you about an HR thing about fired employees, and then you decide to pass on the unethical information, HR information, and I’m suppose to think you’re about ethics?
That’s fun.
- Phil King - Tuesday, Jul 18, 17 @ 6:35 pm:
Lol, okay.
Are you also mad at Rich for all the sensitive HR information he’s put out about the firings?
- JS Mill - Tuesday, Jul 18, 17 @ 6:36 pm:
Phil- own your hypocrisy. Don’t deflect blame to Rich, you are the guy that “knows somebody but calls others out on their ethics.
- Oswego Willy - Tuesday, Jul 18, 17 @ 6:37 pm:
===Rich for all the sensitive HR information he’s put out about the firings?===
Nope. Rich is an ethical journalist working information to be published.
You are taking private information gained for personal use and take what you heard to spread publicly to seem “knowing”
Big difference. Keep up.
- Phil King - Tuesday, Jul 18, 17 @ 7:26 pm:
Your hypocrisy is astounding. You have a lot of rules and fine lines that make the same actions okay vs wrong.
But it all boils down to “it’s okay when my team does it.”
- Oswego Willy - Tuesday, Jul 18, 17 @ 7:29 pm:
- Phil King -
If you have any questions, you should ask them.
Saying “hypocrisy” when I have showed clear distinctions isn’t making a case.
- baloneymous - Tuesday, Jul 18, 17 @ 7:39 pm:
Phil you should do some historical research on capfax back to 2006 or before. pay attention to the die hard Quinn and Blago supporters’ comments down to the end of those reigns. you are becoming like one of them and I’m sure you have a lot more to offer and contribute than going after regular commentors with a lot of knowledge and experience, and who are rarely partisan in their comments. those die hards seldom to never post anymore. nothing to fight for anymore.
- RNUG - Tuesday, Jul 18, 17 @ 7:42 pm:
-OW-
It’s kind of amusing that these new guys don’t even know what they don’t know. Going to be an entertaining 26 months or do. I say we see at least one more full purge in that period … maybe two.
- Phil King - Tuesday, Jul 18, 17 @ 7:42 pm:
I don’t have questions I simply disagree.
It’s hypocritical to criticize Rauner for finding jobs for Munger and Co and for not finding jobs for the Kirk boys.
It’s hypocritical to criticize me for sharing “sensitive HR information” and defend rich for doing the same.
Your slicing and dicing and justifications are just post Gov rationalize to save you from your own cognitive dissonance.
- RNUG - Tuesday, Jul 18, 17 @ 7:44 pm:
Typo from fat fingers … 16 months
- Phil King - Tuesday, Jul 18, 17 @ 7:53 pm:
Auto correct on my phone.
Supposed to say post hoc rationalization.
- Andy Nymous - Tuesday, Jul 18, 17 @ 8:06 pm:
What’s even more mind-boggling is some of the people he didn’t can.
- Oswego Willy - Tuesday, Jul 18, 17 @ 8:12 pm:
===It’s kind of amusing that these new guys don’t even know what they don’t know. Going to be an entertaining 26 months or do. I say we see at least one more full purge in that period … maybe two.==
- RNUG -,
It’s going to be very interesting. Usually we get the Rauberbots, now it will be less talking points, more opinion “hoped” as being true.
As for me, I enjoy your work here. So glad you’re here, I learn and you keep the discussion honest as you break it down, and Rich giving us you to learn from too.
- Oswego Willy - Tuesday, Jul 18, 17 @ 8:28 pm:
===hypocritical to criticize Rauner for finding jobs for Munger and Co and for not finding jobs for the Kirk… ===
Asked and answered, logically. You may not comprehend what this Post that Rich has here.
===It’s hypocritical to criticize me for sharing “sensitive HR information” and defend rich for doing the same.===
When you’re a journalist, you get back to all of us, LOL.
===Your slicing and dicing and justifications are just post Gov rationalize to save you from your own cognitive dissonance.===
Nah. It’s just that the politics and ethics and journalists and ethics is lost on you.
“Simple”
- Arthur Andersen - Tuesday, Jul 18, 17 @ 10:14 pm:
RNUG, don’t you feel extra-glad to be retired at this point? I don’t know if Rich will agree, but I think this past few days was a bigger cluster than any comparable period in recent history, even Blagojevich. I only wonder if we are looking at “if” or “when” the Federal hammer comes down again on Illinois.
- Norseman - Tuesday, Jul 18, 17 @ 10:44 pm:
AA, I don’t know anyone who has kind words about the current environment in State government. Think of whatever negative adjective and it has been used to describe how bad things are in the agencies or the Capitol.
- RNUG - Wednesday, Jul 19, 17 @ 8:06 am:
-AA- & -Norseman-
Yep, glad to be retired. But it I was still working, this bunch might be surprised how little they could threaten me, thanks to something Big Jim did. And I have no doubt my CYA file would have grown to multiple boxes.
- RNUG - Wednesday, Jul 19, 17 @ 8:19 am:
-AA-,
If the Feds are paying attention, this year’s audits may go a bit deeper than normal. If they find any irregularities, it could get interesting.
- Team Warwick - Wednesday, Jul 19, 17 @ 9:07 am:
Im sad that people were walked out like they were dangerous or something. Thats waaay extreme. And sure they could have been told to bid on state positions they were qualified for in the agencies. Its rather mysterious he took a scorched earth approach. Implies there are other hands guiding it as it doesnt make logical sense in our state. Implies the mystery hands arent in our state.