“Propose.. Property tax freeze, to destroy collective bargaining, end prevailing wage. Create… a formula Rauner can’t explain nor can he defend in districts losing money. Now… Place teachers pensions at the local level, while hoping for a property tax freeze, pitting teachers’ pensions being paid… by destroying prevailing wage and collective bargaining to reduce those costs to offset those teachers’ pensions?”
And I wondered why Rauner can’t explain all this?
Rauner doesn’t it want it found out as a larger plan(?)
While we are at it, lets do away with the free lunch program. We could shift the cost to the districts, and really save on the cost of peanut butter. How is this all feasible, when districts are supposed to be held harmless? If you shift cost to the districts, they are required to spend more money. If they are spending they are not held harmless. Am I missing something here?
- Pot calling kettle - Wednesday, Aug 9, 17 @ 12:02 pm:
It’s a test to see the relationship between the number of flaws in an amendatory veto and the number of Republicans those flaws will push to vote for an override.
Mr/Ms 47th Ward
“Not notice” is the central theme of GovJunk team.
They employ it as the one constant.
So now we are up to 3 strikes — per pupil, TIF, and pension cost shift. — perhaps that is enough to record a GovJunk strikeout and override the AV. Wonder if they would even notice?
I’m looking forward to Bruce explaining this pesky detail to reporters. I’m surprised IPI didn’t put in some type of Logan’s Run carrousel when teachers approach 30 years of service.
Maybe that was a bone for Madigan, since he’s been trying to do that for years. But, Rauner probably was not thinking charitably. At any rate, at least Madigan has been open, honest and upfront about it.
Poorer districts experience highever turnover. They will be hit the hardest
- School Finance - Wednesday, Aug 9, 17 @ 12:17 pm:
I’d argue the real “strike” is the removal of inflation from the calculation. This guts the concept of being “evidence based” and renders the promise of stable long term funding of say 1 teacher per every 15 students meaningless. In a few years we’ll all be saying….”nothing changed.”
Wasn’t the image one of Rauner sitting at a desk in a darkened room waiting for legislation to be delivered to him to be vetoed? (Maybe that was the budget bill, but hear me out, this still applies) You think maybe they should have turned on the lights so he could see what was on the paper?
I’m not sure I understand, does his AV shift the costs? I found this in the AV message:
“The eighth change removes the accounting for future pension cost shifts to districts in the Adequacy Target. This provision would prevent districts from ever fully taking responsibility for the normal costs of their teachersā pensions.”
But I’m not sure what part of the AV actually shifts the new pension costs. Is that in the AV, or is there something in the budget, or what?
Norseman the minions are expecting gold delivieries and proft based fake news stories about how great they are; the gold and fake praise will be used to help them run for officemao they can represent rauner and proft.
- Henry Francis - Wednesday, Aug 9, 17 @ 12:26 pm:
This can’t be real/serious policy. It’s just a tool to blow up school funding and create a crisis.
It also provides perhaps the greatest test yet of GOP legislators’ fealty.
Rauner’s whole legislative strategy was to defeat the override by showing his plan gave non-Chicago schools more money. But he’s stuffed all these anti-funding measures into the AV.
I think he, or the anti-tax zealots at IPI have confused the opposition people have to funding state government with local school funding.
We know now that the AV is extremely flawed, doesn’t have numbers to back it up, and it pretty likely to not get a super majority.
Republicans can let the bill die, but where does that leave them going into a school year without funding schools. They can try to pass another bill, but who is to say that Rauner would sign that. His BTIA may have an even whackier AV sitting in the wings.
Or the Republicans can help override the veto on the bill that they have worked on in bipartisan fashion for a number of years.
Their career, not Rauner’s is what is at stake. Rauner will just throw them under the bus whenever he likes. Rauner has not shown any loyalty to the previous team, so the GA Republicans that don’t vote to override can expect none from Rauner.
=== So if youāre a Republican legislator and you vote ānoā on the override, didnāt you just vote āyesā on the cost shift? ===
That would be a stretch. The cost shift requires acceptance of AV. However, their “no” votes does kill school funding reform. Their schools should hold them accountable for that.
- Trapped in the 'burbs - Wednesday, Aug 9, 17 @ 12:46 pm:
A lot of the GOP legislators were afraid to cross Rauner because he’d run and fund somebody against them in the primary. It could turn out that some incumbent GOPers might have to run away from Bruce. Might be hard to fight a 2 front war.
This is going to be very, very interesting. Avery Bourne has already said many of her school superintendents are asking her to vote to override SB1 but because SB1 is “bad policy” she won’t. Spfld 186 stands to lose millions because of the TIF proposal. I’m on pins and needles to see how Tim Butler and Sara Jiminez are going to vote.
- Today's Pick 4 are 3671 - Wednesday, Aug 9, 17 @ 2:23 pm:
@47th Ward
== Maybe they thought nobody would notice? ==
Yes, perhaps the BTIA did actually think no one would notice or pay attention during the uproar of “Open the Schools!”
If the AV only needed 30/60 while the SB1 override needed 36/71, the BTIA probably did think they could slip lots of stuff through on the premise of never let a good crisis go to waste.
It was a brilliant plan except for one glaring and significant flaw.
==The cost shift was in SB 42, which was the BIMP, not SB1. ==
Correct. And SB1 had a provision to capture that cost in each district’s adequacy target. The Gov’s office removed that part. Districts already have to pay, but now the model ignores that fact and pretends it’s not an added cost for school districts.
what hets me is this whole mess isnjust a fight by the ultra ultra wealthy to pay lower taxes. they dont care what happens to school kids, Rauner and Big G just want even more cash. Rauner has 9 houses and made 150mil last years. he has more money then he needs. What kind of moral bankruptcy drives somone to destroy kids education just to make even more money that you cant spend….. does he need enough to swim in scrooge mcduck style?
===ā¦you forgot to adjust your reading glasses perched on the end of your nose before you licked the pencil.===Don’t forget the green eyeshade and those sleeve covers.
So what happens after the overide fails? Rauner is going to prevail and absent some compromise all of you Dem bleeding hearts will be able to spend all of your time cursing the Gov but unless the Dems compromise CPS is the big loser
–Rauner is going to prevail and absent some compromise all of you Dem bleeding hearts will be able to spend all of your time cursing the Gov but unless the Dems compromise CPS is the big loser–
Yeah, I’m sure no one but “bleeding hearts” will mind that public schools aren’t funded.
It will still take a 3/5 majority for any funding bill if the override fails.
Math is hard, as BTIA demonstrates on a daily basis.
He doesn’t have the votes. He doesn’t have a bill positioned to pass. He can’t even tell you the effect of his proposed AV on individual school districts.
Right now, the only way Rauner “prevails” is if his goal is to keep schools from opening.
=Yeah, Iām sure no one but ābleeding heartsā will mind that public schools arenāt funded.=
Exactly. Think tar, feathers, rail for downstate GOP legislators.
The PTELL, TIF, and Per Pupil were bad.
Cost shift without revenue alone will close a couple of hundred schools easy. All four will close every school except (maybe) the flat grant districts which are small in number.
Literally every district but the Flat Grant schools.
@Sue- I am pretty sure some of those schools will be in the hear t of GOP country.
Your education governor vetoed education funding, now he wants to punish kids because his feelings were hurt by the override. Education governor indeed.
You can bet there will be some bleeding hearts there too.
===Right now, the only way Rauner āprevailsā is if his goal is to keep schools from opening.===
Which is why I give getting 71 and 36 a 1 in 4 chance… “Maybe”.
The end game could be Rauner hoping to hurt as many K-12 students as possible in hopes that people won’t remember it was his own veto that will ha s schools shut down in September and October.
Since my tweets top this page, I need to correct something. SB42 shifts the pension cost; Rauner’s SB1 AV just removes the cost as a factor in calculating district adequacy target.
- Nick Name - Wednesday, Aug 9, 17 @ 11:54 am:
BTIA(tm)
- 47th Ward - Wednesday, Aug 9, 17 @ 11:57 am:
Maybe they thought nobody would notice?
- ILPundit - Wednesday, Aug 9, 17 @ 11:58 am:
Good grief
- Oswego Willy - Wednesday, Aug 9, 17 @ 12:01 pm:
So… (Licking newly sharpened pencil)
“Propose.. Property tax freeze, to destroy collective bargaining, end prevailing wage. Create… a formula Rauner can’t explain nor can he defend in districts losing money. Now… Place teachers pensions at the local level, while hoping for a property tax freeze, pitting teachers’ pensions being paid… by destroying prevailing wage and collective bargaining to reduce those costs to offset those teachers’ pensions?”
And I wondered why Rauner can’t explain all this?
Rauner doesn’t it want it found out as a larger plan(?)
These are all features, not bugs(?)
- Retired Educator - Wednesday, Aug 9, 17 @ 12:02 pm:
While we are at it, lets do away with the free lunch program. We could shift the cost to the districts, and really save on the cost of peanut butter. How is this all feasible, when districts are supposed to be held harmless? If you shift cost to the districts, they are required to spend more money. If they are spending they are not held harmless. Am I missing something here?
- Pot calling kettle - Wednesday, Aug 9, 17 @ 12:02 pm:
It’s a test to see the relationship between the number of flaws in an amendatory veto and the number of Republicans those flaws will push to vote for an override.
- Annonin' - Wednesday, Aug 9, 17 @ 12:04 pm:
Mr/Ms 47th Ward
“Not notice” is the central theme of GovJunk team.
They employ it as the one constant.
So now we are up to 3 strikes — per pupil, TIF, and pension cost shift. — perhaps that is enough to record a GovJunk strikeout and override the AV. Wonder if they would even notice?
- Jocko - Wednesday, Aug 9, 17 @ 12:09 pm:
I’m looking forward to Bruce explaining this pesky detail to reporters. I’m surprised IPI didn’t put in some type of Logan’s Run carrousel when teachers approach 30 years of service.
- Northern pike - Wednesday, Aug 9, 17 @ 12:09 pm:
Maybe the governor only agrees with 90% of his amendatory veto./s
- Honeybear - Wednesday, Aug 9, 17 @ 12:11 pm:
It is restaurant quality perfidy OW. Love the pencil lick image! That’s Rauner style “figurin”
- Ghost - Wednesday, Aug 9, 17 @ 12:12 pm:
didnt Madigan suggest this shift too?? Did Rauner just agree with Madigan? /Gasp
- Rich Miller - Wednesday, Aug 9, 17 @ 12:12 pm:
===So now we are up to 3 strikes ā per pupil, TIF, and pension cost shift===
You forgot PTELL.
- wordslinger - Wednesday, Aug 9, 17 @ 12:13 pm:
So, is that a big deal, lol?
Were all GOP lawmakers on board for this?
I kind of doubt it.
- Winnin' - Wednesday, Aug 9, 17 @ 12:14 pm:
Maybe that was a bone for Madigan, since he’s been trying to do that for years. But, Rauner probably was not thinking charitably. At any rate, at least Madigan has been open, honest and upfront about it.
- Honeybear - Wednesday, Aug 9, 17 @ 12:14 pm:
I can’t wait for the show on Sunday to see the extent to which Rauner owns legislators. So telling.
No wonder so many R’s are throwing in the towel.
- illini97 - Wednesday, Aug 9, 17 @ 12:15 pm:
====You forgot PTELL.===
And the whole, “How many votes will it take to override this?” debacle.
- Seats - Wednesday, Aug 9, 17 @ 12:16 pm:
Willy do you think this just pushed the 25% chance of an override into a 30% chance?
- Anonymous - Wednesday, Aug 9, 17 @ 12:16 pm:
Poorer districts experience highever turnover. They will be hit the hardest
- School Finance - Wednesday, Aug 9, 17 @ 12:17 pm:
I’d argue the real “strike” is the removal of inflation from the calculation. This guts the concept of being “evidence based” and renders the promise of stable long term funding of say 1 teacher per every 15 students meaningless. In a few years we’ll all be saying….”nothing changed.”
- Skeptic - Wednesday, Aug 9, 17 @ 12:19 pm:
Wasn’t the image one of Rauner sitting at a desk in a darkened room waiting for legislation to be delivered to him to be vetoed? (Maybe that was the budget bill, but hear me out, this still applies) You think maybe they should have turned on the lights so he could see what was on the paper?
- Norseman - Wednesday, Aug 9, 17 @ 12:20 pm:
Surprised nobody else picked up on this nuance. The minions must be happy to have to defend Rauner’s increasingly problematic AV.
Hopefully, the minions can explain to their schools why their support of Rauner killed school funding reform.
- Oswego Willy - Wednesday, Aug 9, 17 @ 12:22 pm:
(Tips cap to - Honeybear -)
===Willy do you think this just pushed the 25% chance of an override into a 30% chance?===
I think “the number” only moves now when a single HGOP member publicly comes out and states they’re for override.
It’s premature, kinda like getting the NFL “Injury Report”, yiu see “the number” move only after the official report comes out.
How’s that?
- Perrid - Wednesday, Aug 9, 17 @ 12:24 pm:
I’m not sure I understand, does his AV shift the costs? I found this in the AV message:
“The eighth change removes the accounting for future pension cost shifts to districts in the Adequacy Target. This provision would prevent districts from ever fully taking responsibility for the normal costs of their teachersā pensions.”
But I’m not sure what part of the AV actually shifts the new pension costs. Is that in the AV, or is there something in the budget, or what?
- Ghost - Wednesday, Aug 9, 17 @ 12:26 pm:
Norseman the minions are expecting gold delivieries and proft based fake news stories about how great they are; the gold and fake praise will be used to help them run for officemao they can represent rauner and proft.
- Henry Francis - Wednesday, Aug 9, 17 @ 12:26 pm:
This can’t be real/serious policy. It’s just a tool to blow up school funding and create a crisis.
It also provides perhaps the greatest test yet of GOP legislators’ fealty.
It’s ride or die time for them.
- Century Club - Wednesday, Aug 9, 17 @ 12:27 pm:
Rauner’s whole legislative strategy was to defeat the override by showing his plan gave non-Chicago schools more money. But he’s stuffed all these anti-funding measures into the AV.
I think he, or the anti-tax zealots at IPI have confused the opposition people have to funding state government with local school funding.
- 47th Ward - Wednesday, Aug 9, 17 @ 12:30 pm:
===This canāt be real/serious policy. Itās just a tool to blow up school funding and create a crisis.===
Agreed.
- Roman - Wednesday, Aug 9, 17 @ 12:34 pm:
So if you’re a Republican legislator and you vote “no” on the override, didn’t you just vote “yes” on the cost shift?
GOPers, your governor has put you in a very difficult spot.
- Oswego Willy - Wednesday, Aug 9, 17 @ 12:34 pm:
This can’t be.
This can’t be… It can’t be a mechanism to blow up school funding…
“Reality?”
Rauner vetoed.
If schools don’t open, or close weeks later…
“Rauner vetoed school funding”
Pretty simple message.
- wordslinger - Wednesday, Aug 9, 17 @ 12:37 pm:
HF, the last few days have certainly given some GOP legislators reasons to override.
Let’s see what the district scores bring.
- Oswego Willy - Wednesday, Aug 9, 17 @ 12:37 pm:
===So if youāre a Republican legislator and you vote ānoā on the override, didnāt you just vote āyesā on the cost shift?
GOPers, your governor has put you in a very difficult spot.===
Raunerite legislators are expendable. They’re nothing. They’re switches to be controled by Diana Rauner and Bruce Rauner and their millions.
These GOP Raunerites you worry for, fear not, Matt Besler, whose group funded Ken Dunkin, has their backs, lol
- Anonymous - Wednesday, Aug 9, 17 @ 12:42 pm:
@Jocko: did Sandmen wear Carhart?
- A Jack - Wednesday, Aug 9, 17 @ 12:42 pm:
We know now that the AV is extremely flawed, doesn’t have numbers to back it up, and it pretty likely to not get a super majority.
Republicans can let the bill die, but where does that leave them going into a school year without funding schools. They can try to pass another bill, but who is to say that Rauner would sign that. His BTIA may have an even whackier AV sitting in the wings.
Or the Republicans can help override the veto on the bill that they have worked on in bipartisan fashion for a number of years.
Their career, not Rauner’s is what is at stake. Rauner will just throw them under the bus whenever he likes. Rauner has not shown any loyalty to the previous team, so the GA Republicans that don’t vote to override can expect none from Rauner.
- Norseman - Wednesday, Aug 9, 17 @ 12:44 pm:
=== So if youāre a Republican legislator and you vote ānoā on the override, didnāt you just vote āyesā on the cost shift? ===
That would be a stretch. The cost shift requires acceptance of AV. However, their “no” votes does kill school funding reform. Their schools should hold them accountable for that.
- Trapped in the 'burbs - Wednesday, Aug 9, 17 @ 12:46 pm:
A lot of the GOP legislators were afraid to cross Rauner because he’d run and fund somebody against them in the primary. It could turn out that some incumbent GOPers might have to run away from Bruce. Might be hard to fight a 2 front war.
- Cardsfan - Wednesday, Aug 9, 17 @ 1:06 pm:
The plot thickens.
This is going to be very, very interesting. Avery Bourne has already said many of her school superintendents are asking her to vote to override SB1 but because SB1 is “bad policy” she won’t. Spfld 186 stands to lose millions because of the TIF proposal. I’m on pins and needles to see how Tim Butler and Sara Jiminez are going to vote.
- Anonymous - Wednesday, Aug 9, 17 @ 1:12 pm:
Agree w ‘pencil lick’ image. It instantaneously provides the picture of the hunched over numbers cruncher tryin’ to figure a way out of this thing…
- Anonymous - Wednesday, Aug 9, 17 @ 1:16 pm:
The cost shift was in SB 42, which was the BIMP, not SB1.
- Arthur Andersen - Wednesday, Aug 9, 17 @ 1:23 pm:
-The cost shift was in SB42, which was the BIMP-
Well, that’s positively Filanesque.
- Anon - Wednesday, Aug 9, 17 @ 1:26 pm:
*cackle*
It’s like the wanted the AV to get overridden.
- Former Hillrod - Wednesday, Aug 9, 17 @ 1:34 pm:
OW, you forgot to adjust your reading glasses perched on the end of your nose before you licked the pencil.
- Northsider - Wednesday, Aug 9, 17 @ 1:36 pm:
@ Jocko: Let’s not give them any more ideas, eh?
- Oswego Willy - Wednesday, Aug 9, 17 @ 1:40 pm:
===…you forgot to adjust your reading glasses perched on the end of your nose before you licked the pencil.===
That’s on me. I lose “Poindexter Points”.
To the Post,
If the discussion now has so many questions that need answering, what does the AV do exactly in answering questions few are asking?
- Demoralized - Wednesday, Aug 9, 17 @ 1:50 pm:
==Filanesque==
That makes one shudder.
- Today's Pick 4 are 3671 - Wednesday, Aug 9, 17 @ 2:23 pm:
@47th Ward
== Maybe they thought nobody would notice? ==
Yes, perhaps the BTIA did actually think no one would notice or pay attention during the uproar of “Open the Schools!”
If the AV only needed 30/60 while the SB1 override needed 36/71, the BTIA probably did think they could slip lots of stuff through on the premise of never let a good crisis go to waste.
It was a brilliant plan except for one glaring and significant flaw.
- J - Wednesday, Aug 9, 17 @ 2:45 pm:
==The cost shift was in SB 42, which was the BIMP, not SB1. ==
Correct. And SB1 had a provision to capture that cost in each district’s adequacy target. The Gov’s office removed that part. Districts already have to pay, but now the model ignores that fact and pretends it’s not an added cost for school districts.
- Ghost - Wednesday, Aug 9, 17 @ 3:17 pm:
what hets me is this whole mess isnjust a fight by the ultra ultra wealthy to pay lower taxes. they dont care what happens to school kids, Rauner and Big G just want even more cash. Rauner has 9 houses and made 150mil last years. he has more money then he needs. What kind of moral bankruptcy drives somone to destroy kids education just to make even more money that you cant spend….. does he need enough to swim in scrooge mcduck style?
- SAP - Wednesday, Aug 9, 17 @ 3:33 pm:
===ā¦you forgot to adjust your reading glasses perched on the end of your nose before you licked the pencil.===Don’t forget the green eyeshade and those sleeve covers.
- Scrivenin' - Wednesday, Aug 9, 17 @ 3:40 pm:
===didnt Madigan suggest this shift too?? Did Rauner just agree with Madigan? /Gasp===
Mike Madigan and the GOP governors he controls
- Sue - Wednesday, Aug 9, 17 @ 3:41 pm:
So what happens after the overide fails? Rauner is going to prevail and absent some compromise all of you Dem bleeding hearts will be able to spend all of your time cursing the Gov but unless the Dems compromise CPS is the big loser
- Oswego Willy - Wednesday, Aug 9, 17 @ 3:45 pm:
===So what happens after the overide fails?===
Rauner’s Veto will be the sole reason schools will be in peril.
Rauner’s AV will lead to no funding for schools in all of Illinois.
===…but unless the Dems compromise CPS is the big loser===
Not really.
A governor that can’t keep schools open is someone lots and lots of people can rally against.
- wordslinger - Wednesday, Aug 9, 17 @ 3:45 pm:
–Rauner is going to prevail and absent some compromise all of you Dem bleeding hearts will be able to spend all of your time cursing the Gov but unless the Dems compromise CPS is the big loser–
Yeah, I’m sure no one but “bleeding hearts” will mind that public schools aren’t funded.
It will still take a 3/5 majority for any funding bill if the override fails.
Math is hard, as BTIA demonstrates on a daily basis.
- RNUG - Wednesday, Aug 9, 17 @ 5:07 pm:
== Rauner is going to prevail … ==
Pray tell, exactly how?
He doesn’t have the votes. He doesn’t have a bill positioned to pass. He can’t even tell you the effect of his proposed AV on individual school districts.
Right now, the only way Rauner “prevails” is if his goal is to keep schools from opening.
- JS Mill - Wednesday, Aug 9, 17 @ 5:09 pm:
=Yeah, Iām sure no one but ābleeding heartsā will mind that public schools arenāt funded.=
Exactly. Think tar, feathers, rail for downstate GOP legislators.
The PTELL, TIF, and Per Pupil were bad.
Cost shift without revenue alone will close a couple of hundred schools easy. All four will close every school except (maybe) the flat grant districts which are small in number.
Literally every district but the Flat Grant schools.
@Sue- I am pretty sure some of those schools will be in the hear t of GOP country.
Your education governor vetoed education funding, now he wants to punish kids because his feelings were hurt by the override. Education governor indeed.
You can bet there will be some bleeding hearts there too.
Not you of course, but other people.
sensible people.
- wordslinger - Wednesday, Aug 9, 17 @ 5:10 pm:
== Rauner is going to prevail … ==
You must have the Book of Secrets.
What is the objective of no school funding in mid-August?
What’s the plan that gets the necessary super-majority?
- Oswego Willy - Wednesday, Aug 9, 17 @ 5:13 pm:
===Right now, the only way Rauner āprevailsā is if his goal is to keep schools from opening.===
Which is why I give getting 71 and 36 a 1 in 4 chance… “Maybe”.
The end game could be Rauner hoping to hurt as many K-12 students as possible in hopes that people won’t remember it was his own veto that will ha s schools shut down in September and October.
“Rauner’s veto closed your school”
Rauner like crisis. He told us so.
- dusty rhodes - Wednesday, Aug 9, 17 @ 5:59 pm:
Since my tweets top this page, I need to correct something. SB42 shifts the pension cost; Rauner’s SB1 AV just removes the cost as a factor in calculating district adequacy target.
- JS Mill - Wednesday, Aug 9, 17 @ 6:26 pm:
=SB42 shifts the pension cost; Raunerās SB1 AV just removes the cost as a factor in calculating district adequacy target.=
That is making the impact “exponential”.