It takes 3/5 to override a veto & 3/5 of 17 is 10.2 - so that’s 11.
8 Commissioners voted for the original tax 8 voted against & 1 has been appointed since.
So that potentially means 2 of the original yes votes could switch or one of the yes votes plus the new guy could vote to repeal & then it would fall for failure to override Preckwinkle’s veto.
- Boone's is Back - Wednesday, Sep 13, 17 @ 2:01 pm:
===TV station owners are rejoicing at this news===
LOL- dollar signs all over the place. On that note… how is a higher up at CCHHS allowed to be in a political ad in favor of the tax…?
In an ironic twist, shortly before I left the Legislature, I was actually the one who introduced the legislation that lowered the threshold for a veto override. That being said, there is an interesting outstanding question as to just how many votes would actually be needed. Stay tuned.
Preckwinkle is just another in a long line of Politicians who can’t tell the truth. It isn’t just a tax on sweetened beverages and that’s what really frosts so many of us. There is no sugar in any of the diet drinks. Yes the tax amount is ridiculous but the lying about the reason is the deal breaker. We stopped buying in Cook County the day the tax started and most of our friends have also. The sad part is the people who can least afford to get to places outside of Cook to buy will be the ones most stuck with this tax. And they are the ones that vote for the Dems who keep raising taxes.
Sugar Tax now being touted as “the Big Lie”…all about the Benjamin’s…this was not a public health issue (lame cover story now days). Mike Bloomberg needs to stay in NY. TP put some of her board members in a tough spot cant believe they never saw how regular folks would react the way they have ?
This is a really regressive tax and it’s a loser. I like Toni Preckwinkle and think the county probably does need new review. However, 2018 isn’t just any election, it’s for redistricting and the GOP will be all in to some how re-elect Bruce Rauner. If you are a Democrat and don’t get it, google Operation RedMap.
With help from competent Walker staffers like Shimmel and like half the money on earth, this could happen.
With “Mayor 1% Nice Guy” Bloomberg’s help, Preckwinkle is playing into their hands.
I am heartened that the citizens of our fine state are finally waking up to the politicians who keep reaching deeper into our pocket.
We have been getting nickled and dimed to death for decades living in this state and it seems like the pop tax might finally be the turning point that woke people up.
She is naturally surprised because what she did was standard operating procedure for anyone involved in Illinois politics. Take more and more and have no one notice or say a word about it while continually re-electing you.
I can only pray this is the start of a larger awakening by the people of this great state finally tired of seeing the government take more and more while we get less and less in return.
- Trapped in the 'burbs - Wednesday, Sep 13, 17 @ 2:47 pm:
Hey Boykin, Gainer, Claypool, do any of you want to be President of the County Board?
The whole Pop Tax debacle shows the limitations of polling. Before it was enacted, the pop tax was polling at about 50/50 - which is about as good as you can get for a tax. Heck, Rauner wanted to introduce it statewide.
However, after it was applied, and people started tweeting their receipts with a 67 cent tax on a 99 cent 2 liter of Pepsi, it quickly went to 85% negative.
Just because people seem to be OK with something in the abstract doesn’t mean they’ll like it when it actually is implemented
“Preckwinkle Says She Was Surprised at Pushback to Soda Tax”
If she was “surprised” then she’s lost touch with regular folks. I’m not surprised. The second I heard about it was very PO’d. First she reneges on the tax cut and then she does this and she does it all as under the radar as possible with totally inadequate support for why she needs the tax. That’s right out of the old Stroger playbook and that’s exactly the opposite of what she was elected to do.
So here’s a thought. Instead of hectoring people about the supposed health issues with this arbitrary tax, why not make the case for the revenue in a realistic way. Prove to the people that you need it and then come up with a more fair way to get it. Then ask us. If the case is there, the people are likely to be more reasonable. But don’t force feed us slop and try to convince us it’s filet mignon.
The pop tax is the straw that broke the camel’s back.
Cook county has some of the highest sales and property taxes in the country, and yet it never seems to be enough.
The pop tax is proving to finally be the bridge too far, because people realize that just like cigarettes and booze, it will be raised continually as the county keeps having it’s never ending budget issues.
Next it will be a tax on cookies/candy bars and other sweets if the county thought they could get away with it (as they thought they would with the pop tax).
The root problem is the voracious appetite of Cook county for more and more tax money, and no amount is ever enough.
Yes, but I would question the polling that was done. Was it asked as an abstract question or were specifics given? Were people told that their 12 packs would suddenly cost 25% more, that their diet drinks would be taxed as would some of their seemingly healthy juices? My guess is that the answer to all my questions is no.
Remember cigarettes were considered healthy and their manufacturers fought those taxes.
The tax is a good idea, poorly sold.
And the constant whining about SNAP recipients not having to pay although they are disproportionately affected health wise is ridiculous.
Employer provided health insurance is a Government Entitlement Program and Diabetes is epidemic among that cohort too.
- James the Intolerant - Wednesday, Sep 13, 17 @ 3:34 pm:
I still don’t get how the President has never been asked (or I missed it) what went wrong with the 2017 budget forecast that this increase was needed halfway through the year. Less revenue? More expenses? Just wish she had to answer the question.
she was surprised? what ridiculous instincts. I’m surprised at this….that Toni would let this tax hang on another month towards the next election. She is letting the anger level stay really high towards Dems who are not Mike Madigan. She is handing Rauner an issue. Move faster.
Yesterday, I was charged 12 cents Cook Co. beverage tax on a 10 oz. unsweetened orange juice. When I complained I was told to take it up with “corporate” (this was a big franchise outlet).
Preckwinkle, and Bloomberg with his insulting ads, need to realize that part of the problem is that the thing is not being administered correctly, and defending the tax as they think it SHOULD be administered is missing a large part of the point.
==I still don’t get how the President has never been asked (or I missed it) what went wrong with the 2017 budget forecast that this increase was needed halfway through the year.==
I’m not sure it matters. Last year, Cook County reported an $800 million loss after passing what I can only guess was a balanced budget. Even if it wasn’t balanced, I’m sure it wasn’t $800 million out of whack. The county is just throwing sugar darts at the taxpayer board to see what sticks.
==Preckwinkel says she was surprised at Pushback to Soda Tax ==
Highly doubtful, but if so, it’s because she assumed that, as usual, the clueless and largely disengaged public would shrug and move on. But when the money started coming directly out of their pocketbooks they “woke”.
- Fax Machine - Wednesday, Sep 13, 17 @ 1:59 pm:
It takes 3/5 to override a veto & 3/5 of 17 is 10.2 - so that’s 11.
8 Commissioners voted for the original tax 8 voted against & 1 has been appointed since.
So that potentially means 2 of the original yes votes could switch or one of the yes votes plus the new guy could vote to repeal & then it would fall for failure to override Preckwinkle’s veto.
- Boone's is Back - Wednesday, Sep 13, 17 @ 2:01 pm:
===TV station owners are rejoicing at this news===
LOL- dollar signs all over the place. On that note… how is a higher up at CCHHS allowed to be in a political ad in favor of the tax…?
- Hon. John Fritchey - Wednesday, Sep 13, 17 @ 2:06 pm:
Fax Machine,
In an ironic twist, shortly before I left the Legislature, I was actually the one who introduced the legislation that lowered the threshold for a veto override. That being said, there is an interesting outstanding question as to just how many votes would actually be needed. Stay tuned.
- blue dog dem - Wednesday, Sep 13, 17 @ 2:12 pm:
Wouldnt it have been eaier to tax Oreos?
I know somebodY REads CapFax cause we got something on PE and drivers ed.
- NeverPoliticallyCorrect - Wednesday, Sep 13, 17 @ 2:21 pm:
Preckwinkle is just another in a long line of Politicians who can’t tell the truth. It isn’t just a tax on sweetened beverages and that’s what really frosts so many of us. There is no sugar in any of the diet drinks. Yes the tax amount is ridiculous but the lying about the reason is the deal breaker. We stopped buying in Cook County the day the tax started and most of our friends have also. The sad part is the people who can least afford to get to places outside of Cook to buy will be the ones most stuck with this tax. And they are the ones that vote for the Dems who keep raising taxes.
- NorthsideNoMore - Wednesday, Sep 13, 17 @ 2:31 pm:
Sugar Tax now being touted as “the Big Lie”…all about the Benjamin’s…this was not a public health issue (lame cover story now days). Mike Bloomberg needs to stay in NY. TP put some of her board members in a tough spot cant believe they never saw how regular folks would react the way they have ?
- James Knell - Wednesday, Sep 13, 17 @ 2:33 pm:
This is a really regressive tax and it’s a loser. I like Toni Preckwinkle and think the county probably does need new review. However, 2018 isn’t just any election, it’s for redistricting and the GOP will be all in to some how re-elect Bruce Rauner. If you are a Democrat and don’t get it, google Operation RedMap.
With help from competent Walker staffers like Shimmel and like half the money on earth, this could happen.
With “Mayor 1% Nice Guy” Bloomberg’s help, Preckwinkle is playing into their hands.
- Grand Avenue - Wednesday, Sep 13, 17 @ 2:36 pm:
At least 2 people have filed D-1s for the 3rd District Cook County seat held by Jerry Iceman Butler - is he expected to be retiring?
- Anon - Wednesday, Sep 13, 17 @ 2:44 pm:
Preckwinkle “surprised” by the pushback.
I am heartened that the citizens of our fine state are finally waking up to the politicians who keep reaching deeper into our pocket.
We have been getting nickled and dimed to death for decades living in this state and it seems like the pop tax might finally be the turning point that woke people up.
She is naturally surprised because what she did was standard operating procedure for anyone involved in Illinois politics. Take more and more and have no one notice or say a word about it while continually re-electing you.
I can only pray this is the start of a larger awakening by the people of this great state finally tired of seeing the government take more and more while we get less and less in return.
- Trapped in the 'burbs - Wednesday, Sep 13, 17 @ 2:47 pm:
Hey Boykin, Gainer, Claypool, do any of you want to be President of the County Board?
- Grand Avenue - Wednesday, Sep 13, 17 @ 2:49 pm:
The whole Pop Tax debacle shows the limitations of polling. Before it was enacted, the pop tax was polling at about 50/50 - which is about as good as you can get for a tax. Heck, Rauner wanted to introduce it statewide.
However, after it was applied, and people started tweeting their receipts with a 67 cent tax on a 99 cent 2 liter of Pepsi, it quickly went to 85% negative.
Just because people seem to be OK with something in the abstract doesn’t mean they’ll like it when it actually is implemented
- Chicago Cynic - Wednesday, Sep 13, 17 @ 2:50 pm:
“Preckwinkle Says She Was Surprised at Pushback to Soda Tax”
If she was “surprised” then she’s lost touch with regular folks. I’m not surprised. The second I heard about it was very PO’d. First she reneges on the tax cut and then she does this and she does it all as under the radar as possible with totally inadequate support for why she needs the tax. That’s right out of the old Stroger playbook and that’s exactly the opposite of what she was elected to do.
So here’s a thought. Instead of hectoring people about the supposed health issues with this arbitrary tax, why not make the case for the revenue in a realistic way. Prove to the people that you need it and then come up with a more fair way to get it. Then ask us. If the case is there, the people are likely to be more reasonable. But don’t force feed us slop and try to convince us it’s filet mignon.
- Rich Miller - Wednesday, Sep 13, 17 @ 2:51 pm:
Grand Avenue is spot on.
- Anon - Wednesday, Sep 13, 17 @ 3:03 pm:
The pop tax is the straw that broke the camel’s back.
Cook county has some of the highest sales and property taxes in the country, and yet it never seems to be enough.
The pop tax is proving to finally be the bridge too far, because people realize that just like cigarettes and booze, it will be raised continually as the county keeps having it’s never ending budget issues.
Next it will be a tax on cookies/candy bars and other sweets if the county thought they could get away with it (as they thought they would with the pop tax).
The root problem is the voracious appetite of Cook county for more and more tax money, and no amount is ever enough.
- Chicago Cynic - Wednesday, Sep 13, 17 @ 3:07 pm:
“Grand Avenue is spot on.”
Yes, but I would question the polling that was done. Was it asked as an abstract question or were specifics given? Were people told that their 12 packs would suddenly cost 25% more, that their diet drinks would be taxed as would some of their seemingly healthy juices? My guess is that the answer to all my questions is no.
- 33rd ward - Wednesday, Sep 13, 17 @ 3:14 pm:
Why just legalize cannabis and tax that?
- Mike Cirrincione - Wednesday, Sep 13, 17 @ 3:29 pm:
Remember cigarettes were considered healthy and their manufacturers fought those taxes.
The tax is a good idea, poorly sold.
And the constant whining about SNAP recipients not having to pay although they are disproportionately affected health wise is ridiculous.
Employer provided health insurance is a Government Entitlement Program and Diabetes is epidemic among that cohort too.
- James the Intolerant - Wednesday, Sep 13, 17 @ 3:34 pm:
I still don’t get how the President has never been asked (or I missed it) what went wrong with the 2017 budget forecast that this increase was needed halfway through the year. Less revenue? More expenses? Just wish she had to answer the question.
- Chicago Cynic - Wednesday, Sep 13, 17 @ 3:35 pm:
James, exactly right.
- Amalia - Wednesday, Sep 13, 17 @ 4:12 pm:
she was surprised? what ridiculous instincts. I’m surprised at this….that Toni would let this tax hang on another month towards the next election. She is letting the anger level stay really high towards Dems who are not Mike Madigan. She is handing Rauner an issue. Move faster.
- Harry - Wednesday, Sep 13, 17 @ 4:54 pm:
Yesterday, I was charged 12 cents Cook Co. beverage tax on a 10 oz. unsweetened orange juice. When I complained I was told to take it up with “corporate” (this was a big franchise outlet).
Preckwinkle, and Bloomberg with his insulting ads, need to realize that part of the problem is that the thing is not being administered correctly, and defending the tax as they think it SHOULD be administered is missing a large part of the point.
- City Zen - Wednesday, Sep 13, 17 @ 5:22 pm:
==I still don’t get how the President has never been asked (or I missed it) what went wrong with the 2017 budget forecast that this increase was needed halfway through the year.==
I’m not sure it matters. Last year, Cook County reported an $800 million loss after passing what I can only guess was a balanced budget. Even if it wasn’t balanced, I’m sure it wasn’t $800 million out of whack. The county is just throwing sugar darts at the taxpayer board to see what sticks.
- Ron - Wednesday, Sep 13, 17 @ 5:30 pm:
Toni is toast.
- Responsa - Wednesday, Sep 13, 17 @ 5:54 pm:
==Preckwinkel says she was surprised at Pushback to Soda Tax ==
Highly doubtful, but if so, it’s because she assumed that, as usual, the clueless and largely disengaged public would shrug and move on. But when the money started coming directly out of their pocketbooks they “woke”.