*** UPDATED x1 *** Ives roundup
Wednesday, Nov 1, 2017 - Posted by Rich Miller
* Good idea…
* So, they can probably stop with the denials…
We asked the Rauner campaign if it wanted to respond to Ivesâ charge that the governor lied to supporters and taxpayers on public funding for abortions, the Trust Act, and school funding reform.
Spokesman Justin Giorgio emailed the following statement: “Gov. Rauner is focused on fighting for Illinoisâ future and defeating Mike Madiganâs machine so Illinois can have property tax relief and term limits, and we can roll back the Madigan income tax hike.”
* And here’s some new non-Madigan-focused oppo to chew on…
Ives Promised Voters That She Would Be In Springfield âEvery Step Of The Wayâ During The Budget Impasse
In A Facebook Post Dated June 15, 2017, Ives Promised Voters That They Could Count On Her To Be In Springfield âEvery Step Of The Way.â âThe Governor has called a 10-day special session starting on June 21 to work toward actually passing a balanced budget. What the eventual outcome will be is anyone’s guess, but you can count on me to be there fighting for taxpayers every step of the way. Stay tuned.â (Jeanne Ives Facebook Post, 6/15/17)
Ives Skipped Two Session Days In A Row While Illinois Was On The Brink Of Being Downgraded To Junk Status
Ives Skipped Two Session Days In A Row In July Of 2017 While Illinois Did Not Have A Budget. âWhat’s worse — New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie caught lounging with his family on a public beach he had closed or Illinois House members lounging anywhere but Springfield when a crucial budget vote looms? New Jersey has BeachGate. Illinois has HookyGate. Twice this week, the House canceled session days because not enough members bothered to show up. Spare us the excuses: Family vacation? Lake house getaway? Catching up on Netflix? Lawmakers knew months ago they likely would be in session into the summer. They should have stayed in Springfield this weekâŚBased on the official attendance lists, the following lawmakers were listed as missing both Tuesday and Wednesday:..Jeanne Ives, R-Wheaton.â (Editorial, â’HookyGate’ at Illinois House,â Chicago Tribune, 7/6/17)
The Chicago Tribune Editorial Board Said That Ives And Other State Representatives Who Failed To Show Up For Session Were âSlackers.â âThat’s an embarrassingly long list of slackers. Bad optics — almost as bad as Gov. Christie photographed July 3 on that beach. The behavior of these Illinois House members is similarly arrogant. It’s insulting to taxpayers. And it’s wrong.â (Editorial, â’HookyGate’ at Illinois House,â Chicago Tribune, 7/6/17)
She didn’t really miss anything because the House couldn’t assemble a quorum, but still.
* Zorn…
She made her first real news splash shortly after taking office when she said in a radio interview that a homosexual partnership is “a completely disordered relationship.â
Gays who seek to marry are “trying to weasel their way into acceptability so that they can then start to push their agenda down into the schools, because this gives them some sort of legitimacy,” she said, adding that a child being raised by a gay couple is âan object of desire.â
That kind of talk is highly discordant not just to progressives but to many mainstream and moderate voters in a state that Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton won by 16 percentage points in 2016. But itâs music to the ears of base conservative voters, the sort who now feel energized and betrayed and who will knock on doors and turn out to vote in the primary.
So no matter what smart money is saying, Iâm saying that weâre living in such abnormal political times that, if she gets the backing to run, Ives will be even money to topple Rauner next spring.
* Tom Kacich…
Don’t expect a lot of her Republican colleagues to support state Rep. Jeanne Ives, R-Wheaton, in her challenge to Gov. Bruce Rauner, says Rep. Bill Mitchell, R-Forsyth.
“I doubt she’ll get many. She has an acerbic personality,” Mitchell said. “Jeannie is a very intelligent person, and she has a lot going for her, but at the same time she represents the worst, in terms of ideologues, of both right and left. It’s like if you have a contrary point of view, you’re not only wrong, but you’re a bad person.
“On some points I agree with her, of course. But she’s just an acerbic personality.” […]
Mitchell said he told Rauner that he will support him for re-election.
* Amanda Vinicky…
âI have stopped circulating (petitions) for state representative,â [Rep. Ives] told âChicago Tonightâ on Tuesday. âWe are focused on the governorâs race and when we get on that ballot it will be full speed ahead.â […]
âI donât know that anybody can say that theyâre running for governor until they have the qualified signatures to get on the ballot. Which is why Iâve qualified my response,â Ives said. âIâm confident weâre going to get to the number we need to file with.â
* Meanwhile, this is only accurate if Ives doesn’t run for reelection, but here you go…
…Adding… Gov. Rauner has revamped his campaign website. But the “Accomplishments” page has been removed.
*** UPDATE *** Â Hmm…
- Anonymous - Wednesday, Nov 1, 17 @ 11:55 am:
same is true if you google “Dennis Murashko”
- Ducky LaMoore - Wednesday, Nov 1, 17 @ 11:58 am:
===Ives Skipped Two Session Days In A Row While Illinois Was On The Brink Of Being Downgraded To Junk Status===
Probably not what the Rauner campaign should roll with.
- DarkHorse - Wednesday, Nov 1, 17 @ 12:00 pm:
Would the â acerbic personalityâ characterization be used if Ives acted the same way, but was a man?
- Arsenal - Wednesday, Nov 1, 17 @ 12:02 pm:
I think Zorn is wrong and she can’t beat Rauner, but she can make this a very painful primary season for him.
- PJ - Wednesday, Nov 1, 17 @ 12:03 pm:
===Would the â acerbic personalityâ characterization be used if Ives acted the same way, but was a man?===
No. She’s an awful legislator and a pretty sad person for those comments on gay people, but you gotta admit there’s a sexist element there.
- Honeybadger - Wednesday, Nov 1, 17 @ 12:04 pm:
Oswego Willy,….
Is the governor doing a spin-off of your HBO show? Seems that Bruce Rauner for governor - home is worth fighting for sure sounds like a spin-off
- Perrid - Wednesday, Nov 1, 17 @ 12:05 pm:
DarkHorse - Yes, absolutely, at least if she is anything at all like her public comments when she is in private. Or at least anyone with her personality could at best be described as acerbic (I have other words); whether or not Mitchell would actually call them that I don’t know.
- VanillaMan - Wednesday, Nov 1, 17 @ 12:11 pm:
She needs to control her own narrative and not chase after piddly stuff merely issued to get her off track.
- DuPage Saint - Wednesday, Nov 1, 17 @ 12:13 pm:
The governor removed his accomplishment page from his website? What’s he going with now? Honesty?
- Anonymous - Wednesday, Nov 1, 17 @ 12:14 pm:
âAcerbicâ Ives will play out all the discontent, anger, and revulsion millions have toward Rauner, for multiple reasons. Who knows if sheâll win or get trounced - I just want Rauner to feel the lash, like we have from him. #IDreamofJeanneâ - nightmare.
- Oswego Willy - Wednesday, Nov 1, 17 @ 12:14 pm:
- Honeybadger -
Lil history, if I can…
Candidate Rauner ran on the spiel, once the 9 homes was bantered about, that Illinois was his home. â… but Illinois is homeâ
Rauner always tried, too, the âDianaâs husband, father…â
I thought it was a real good gag, make it about how Rauner is âreallyâ at home here and that âhusband and fatherâ
The producers agreed, âDadâs Home Stateâ was titled.
Now, it could be that Rauner is trolling the show (they are not, itâs part of the gag)…
At a state fair, the theme for Governorâs Day was … âHomeâ… now Rauner is trolling the show with âHome Worth Fighting Forâ (they arenât, again, part of the gag).
So, Iâd like to think they think about the show and/or me, but they donât. The show and the mirroring is what HBO is paying for, so Iâm lucky.
- Chicago Cynic - Wednesday, Nov 1, 17 @ 12:16 pm:
“But the âAccomplishmentsâ page has been removed.”
Bah hah hah hah hah.
- Anonymous - Wednesday, Nov 1, 17 @ 12:18 pm:
Anyone who has worked with Ives can tell you she’s tough to work with even when you agree with her. That’s not sexist.
- cdog - Wednesday, Nov 1, 17 @ 12:21 pm:
I’m not a fan of someone’s sexual preferences being a basis for entitlement and righteousness.
I was raised in a time where you didn’t talk about those things.
I’d prefer to not have to hear that I should like or approve of someone based on their bedroom habits.
I agree with Ives that it has no place in an educational setting.
- allknowingmasterofracoondom - Wednesday, Nov 1, 17 @ 12:25 pm:
“Gov Rauner has revamped his campaign page…”
My grandfather was a Swedish-speaking, small-town dairyman who taught me about fishing, hunting, the value of hard work and the importance of giving back.
Notice no more mention of “immigrants”.
- Oswego Willy - Wednesday, Nov 1, 17 @ 12:29 pm:
Couple fun things…
1) the âAccomplishmentsâ page being removed?
It will come back in April with the signing of HB40, sanctuary state, and criminal justice reform all touted as signed. All bad to tout in a GOP Primary
2) This…
===We asked the Rauner campaign if it wanted to respond to Ivesâ charge that the governor lied to supporters and taxpayers on public funding for abortions, the Trust Act, and school funding reform.
Spokesman Justin Giorgio emailed the following statement: âGov. Rauner is focused on fighting for Illinoisâ future and defeating Mike Madiganâs machine so Illinois can have property tax relief and term limits, and we can roll back the Madigan income tax hike.â===
The ignoring of the âaccomplishmentsâ by deflecting like this… notice itâs not downplaying what was brought up, itâs pivoting to âMadiganâ so phonies like Sen.Oberweis, the former state central committeeman who wanted Pat Brady removed for supporting SSM, and Mr. Barickman can stand on stage with Rauner, when the support Rauner.
Fascinating to watch.
Phonies gonna phony.
- PJ - Wednesday, Nov 1, 17 @ 12:31 pm:
===I was raised in a time where you didnât talk about those things.===
How lucky for you. Not so lucky for the millions of people terrified to live life the way they want without being threatened, fired and/or ostracized, but lucky for you.
===Iâd prefer to not have to hear that I should like or approve of someone based on their bedroom habits.===
You don’t. You just have to not be actively antagonistic towards them because of it, which Ives is. Hence the delightful terminology like “weaseling”.
- Just Me - Wednesday, Nov 1, 17 @ 12:33 pm:
dude, these guys leave no stone unturned. What an operation!
- hisgirlfriday - Wednesday, Nov 1, 17 @ 12:34 pm:
Interesting how much that oppo bashes Republican Chris Christie. Did the RGA fund those talking points?
- Annonin' - Wednesday, Nov 1, 17 @ 12:39 pm:
so GovJunk droppin’ his oppo team on Ives like he did on Schock. Will be fun. Guessin’ we get a tour of FreeCollege and FreeEurope
- cdog - Wednesday, Nov 1, 17 @ 12:41 pm:
“millions of people terrified to live life the way they want.”
Oh please. Spoken by a true fear-mongering progressive.
Truth is, the Constitution has provided both my opinion and yours the protection needed. That’s what conservatives understand and progressive liberals do not.
- WSJ Paywall - Wednesday, Nov 1, 17 @ 12:59 pm:
=Iâd prefer to not have to hear that I should like or approve of someone based on their bedroom habits.=
This mentality completely ignores gay children in our schools who live in fear and are constantly bullied. I was one of them. Reps like Ives validate the stigma they face.
- BucknIrish - Wednesday, Nov 1, 17 @ 1:04 pm:
==I was raised in a time where you didnât talk about those things.
Iâd prefer to not have to hear that I should like or approve of someone based on their bedroom habits.==
Quit being such a snowflake. Funny how you talk about free speech being protected, but then you want any homosexual discourse silenced. Free speech goes both ways. Also, no one said you have to like them, just respect the choices they make.
- 47th Ward - Wednesday, Nov 1, 17 @ 1:27 pm:
===I think Zorn is wrong and she canât beat Rauner, but she can make this a very painful primary season for him.===
Agree she won’t beat Rauner, but disagree that she will cause him pain. I think she is helping him tremendously, in a way no one else can, by reminding moderate suburban voters, especially women, that Rauner is pro-choice.
Compared to Jeanne Ives, on choice and a host of issues, Rauner comes across as reasonable and likable. No amount of his own spending can give him what she gives him: credibility as a moderate and perhaps even some sympathy.
The harder she demonizes him, the more likely people are to forget what an awful disaster he’s been as governor. She can be so over-the-top that his vile behavior as governor will be forgotten, or at least diminished.
That’s what worries me, that Ives will humanize Rauner.
- Anonymous - Wednesday, Nov 1, 17 @ 1:29 pm:
Why does the ILGOP website go to the Ives site?
- Illinoisian - Wednesday, Nov 1, 17 @ 1:29 pm:
Is that how google adwords actually works? I could also imagine a scenario were ads are placed under words that are associated with Rauner because of similar searches.
- Arsenal - Wednesday, Nov 1, 17 @ 1:32 pm:
==I think she is helping him tremendously, in a way no one else can, by reminding moderate suburban voters, especially women, that Rauner is pro-choice.==
I don’t think primaries accomplish that anymore. Clinton wasn’t considered more “moderate” because Bernie attacked her from the left. And the political moment rather punishes “moderates”, anyway.
- Oswego Willy - Wednesday, Nov 1, 17 @ 1:33 pm:
===Why does the ILGOP website go to the Ives site?===
The Superstars are gone.
Details arenât checked.
When Rauner bought the brand, he didnât buy the website addresses.
Thatâs a fail.
- cdog - Wednesday, Nov 1, 17 @ 1:35 pm:
“gay children” That phrase is very problematic.
I think a child that is by nature curious, with fewer boundaries, should not be labeled gay, or taught they are gay by adults. Many kids are extremely androgynous and that’s actually a good thing and safe place to develop.
Even having a conversation with a child about sexual preferences sounds like a hotline call to me.
Obviously this American culture is greatly over-sexed, even sexually indulgent, and in my opinion it is a private subject that certainly does not belong in the workplace, or the schools.
Ives will have to address this, and update her thoughts in light of the legal changes, but don’t expect her to have moved much on this, especially with regard to schools.
- Responsa - Wednesday, Nov 1, 17 @ 1:37 pm:
==So no matter what smart money is saying, Iâm saying that weâre living in such abnormal political times that, if she gets the backing to run, Ives will be even money to topple Rauner next spring.==
Mr Zorn often means well when he wades into politics from his Tribune Tower desk. But frequently he does not, I think, have a very good handle on the Illinois electorate and especially on the part of the Illinois electorate that is to the right of him.
- Oswego Willy - Wednesday, Nov 1, 17 @ 1:38 pm:
===I donât think primaries accomplish that anymore. Clinton wasnât considered more âmoderateâ because Bernie attacked her from the left. And the political moment rather punishes âmoderatesâ, anyway.===
Rauner is not Clinton.
To that point,
Rauner on social issues is more liberal than âCalifornia Democratsâ…
… Ives ainât the vessel to point that out.
Iâm with - 47th Ward -, all day, those words… and my own words…
The Ives run is total disaster and it helps Rauner
Ives gets 40%, I feel is the âsuper ceilingâ, probably the best of the best Ives could get… Rauner wins by 20 points and is ready to play the âmoderateâ Republican to flat out foolmsuburban women, and Ives will have helped in that phony.
- Jack Kemp - Wednesday, Nov 1, 17 @ 1:49 pm:
In regards to the ILGOP website redirecting to Ives’s website, whether she did that or not, she’d be wise to nip it in the bud ASAP. That’s her state-sponsored website, not a campaign website. Not sure what the ethics is there, but it’s shady at best.
- Grandson of Man - Wednesday, Nov 1, 17 @ 1:57 pm:
Since the Democratic nominee will have to court suburban Cook County women and compete with Rauner, the narrative brought in the GOP primary, that Rauner lied about HB 40, might be to the Democratâs advantage. The Democrat can say, âI was always pro-choice and will never use this issue as a political hostage, like Rauner did.â
Do the Democrats want to face Rauner with a fully-engaged GOP base or one with little enthusiasm?
- VanillaMan - Wednesday, Nov 1, 17 @ 2:03 pm:
This is the ILGOP primary, not the General. Anyone afraid of someone getting their feelings hurt probably isn’t voting for any Republican.
Ives needs to focus upon defeating Rauner based upon Rauner’s failures as governor, not over social issues.
- Arsenal - Wednesday, Nov 1, 17 @ 2:10 pm:
==Rauner is not Clinton.==
Certainly not, but I’m not sure which of their differences auger toward a primarying helping him while it hurt her.
Or, to put it another way…Clinton’s primary didn’t “hurt” her, it was just an expression of her pre-existing weaknesses. But it certainly did nothing to fix those weaknesses.
So, I predict, it’ll go with Rauner. Ives isn’t going to “hurt” Rauner, he’s already hurt. But she may make it harder for him to heal.
- Ducky LaMoore - Wednesday, Nov 1, 17 @ 2:11 pm:
===Truth is, the Constitution has provided both my opinion and yours the protection needed. Thatâs what conservatives understand and progressive liberals do not.===
First sentence: Correct
Second sentence: Constitutionally protected hogwash.
Let’s try not to assume what other people that aren’t like you believe. And also let’s not assume what you think is in line with other people who call themselves conservatives.
- Anonymous - Wednesday, Nov 1, 17 @ 2:24 pm:
==Ives needs to focus upon defeating Rauner based upon Raunerâs failures as governor, not over social issues.==
LOL
- wordslinger - Wednesday, Nov 1, 17 @ 2:26 pm:
–Gov. Rauner has revamped his campaign website. But the âAccomplishmentsâ page has been removed.–
Pretty grim when your own flacks can’t come up with a list of accomplishments.
- Demmy Dem - Wednesday, Nov 1, 17 @ 2:45 pm:
ILGOP.com is for sale!!! Please, please someone get Pritkzer to buy it. That would be freaking hilarious.
- VanillaMan - Wednesday, Nov 1, 17 @ 2:49 pm:
==Pretty grim when your own flacks canât come up with a list of accomplishments.==
It would be similar to Blagojevich/Topinka. Rod had no accomplishments, but flooded media with Anti-Topinka instead, remember?
It worked.
Rauner has to do a Blagojevich reelection model.
- dunno - Wednesday, Nov 1, 17 @ 3:32 pm:
Eric Zorn’s analysis, there’s a one and a four, even money the one beats the four?
- ??? - Wednesday, Nov 1, 17 @ 3:36 pm:
cdog - a person’s sexual orientation is not just about “bedroom habits.” I am a female who had crushes on boys at a very young age and it had nothing to do with sex. I didn’t even know what sex was at that age. It seems to me that YOU’RE the one over-sexualizing the issue.
- JS Mill - Wednesday, Nov 1, 17 @ 4:11 pm:
=I agree with Ives that it has no place in an educational setting.=
=I think a child that is by nature curious, with fewer boundaries, should not be labeled gay, or taught they are gay by adults. Many kids are extremely androgynous and thatâs actually a good thing and safe place to develop.
Even having a conversation with a child about sexual preferences sounds like a hotline call to me.=
You don’t have the faintest notion what a “hotline” call is for or what the requirements are.
Schools are often a microcosm of the greater society. You clearly have not spent much time in one in a while.
Kids are “out” now and experiencing acceptance by their peers, as they should. In our conservative community and school, I am proud of the fact that our gay students feel secure in being open and doing the same things that we allow straight kids to do like attending dances with a date.
Students should not have to pretend to be something they are not so that kooks like Ives and other socially repressed knuckle-draggers can feel like the false vision of the 1950’s was anything other than false.
Forcing kids to stay silent or closeted or experience repression leads to serious mental health problems. They have the same rights as everyone else to be themselves.
There is no “gay” agenda in schools. We do not run around and ask them their about their sexuality or force them to discuss it. But when a kid needs counseling, we take everybody as they are.
We try our level best to take care of everyone, gay, straight, not sure. All of them.
If you feel the need to limit speech start with your own please.
- Last Bull Moose - Wednesday, Nov 1, 17 @ 4:52 pm:
It is unfortunate that the pre-sexual time in a child’s life has been shortened. But we have to deal with the world as it is.
The legal structure of our society now accepts homosexual behavior. But many things are legal that some people think are immoral.
I think Ives is running in the wrong century.
- ste_with_a_v_en - Wednesday, Nov 1, 17 @ 5:07 pm:
==JS Mill===
Preach
- JS Mill - Wednesday, Nov 1, 17 @ 5:24 pm:
=Preach=
No, just telling the truth.
- Annon3 - Wednesday, Nov 1, 17 @ 5:27 pm:
JS well said.
- wordslinger - Wednesday, Nov 1, 17 @ 5:32 pm:
–It is unfortunate that the pre-sexual time in a childâs life has been shortened.–
Nostalgia for a time that never existed.
Teen birth rate today in the United States is the lowest since 1940. I’m thinking education has something to do with that.
A cursory look at world history would show that “pre-sexual time” was a foreign concept at many times in virtually all cultures. So was adolescence.
http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/04/29/why-is-the-teen-birth-rate-falling/
- JS Mill - Wednesday, Nov 1, 17 @ 6:10 pm:
@Wordslinger for the win.
- cdog - Thursday, Nov 2, 17 @ 8:31 am:
In the US, right now, children before puberty are thought of being separate from the sexualized culture. Maybe this is a reason why the teen birth rate is down.
Nostalgia is now.
I don’t care what kind of sexual preference is the topic, young children should be left out of the conversation. And I think that’s what Ives’ comment is illuminating.
(Mills, I’m not talking about older kids, and I am a mandated reporter who unfortunately has made many hotline calls over the years.)
- Moist von Lipwig - Thursday, Nov 2, 17 @ 11:57 am:
cdog, do you think that saying “hey, some people have two mommies or two daddies, and you shouldn’t be mean to them because of their mommies or daddies” is overly sexualizing children?