69 Comments - wordslinger - Wednesday, Sep 5, 18 @ 10:47 am: Wow, those cheerleaders really did a number on Carbondale. Who knew that taking a knee in 2017 would cause a steady decline in enrollment dating back to 1991? - L.A. - Wednesday, Sep 5, 18 @ 11:05 am: I’m sure the drop in enrollment at SIU-C was because of the kneeling cheerleaders /s - L.A. - Wednesday, Sep 5, 18 @ 11:06 am: sorry Word. need to look before speaking next time - Precinct Captain - Wednesday, Sep 5, 18 @ 11:06 am: Get ready for the galaxy brain takes - Steve - Wednesday, Sep 5, 18 @ 11:06 am: SIU needs more courses in diversity. Like .. ” transgendered farmers in Northwest Arkansas in the 19th Century.” - Scamp640 - Wednesday, Sep 5, 18 @ 11:11 am: Good for EIU. But here is the bigger question: Where is the Governor’s leadership in promoting higher education in the state? The most important economic development strategy the Governor could pursue for the future of Illinois is to keep bright, young, people in our state. But he has failed… Miserably. - Oswego Willy - Wednesday, Sep 5, 18 @ 11:16 am: My hope is EIU and all state universities can find where the students of Illinois realize how great our state universities are, and working with the GA and a governor willing to see higher education’s importance to our state. Keep it up EIU, find your place SIU… I’m on both your sides. - Doing Human Things - Wednesday, Sep 5, 18 @ 11:21 am: If you look at the numbers for SIUC vs SIUE you may noticed that this is the first time that the Edwardsville campus has had more students than the Carbondale campus. It’s not a surprise really, they knew it was coming, but it’s finally crossed that threshold. - Leigh John-Ella - Wednesday, Sep 5, 18 @ 11:35 am: SIUC demands SIUE share equally in enrollment declines. “We’re bearing almost the entire brunt of the decline. It’s time for the Edwardsville campus to shoulder some of these losses, too,” said Carbondale officials. - Pick a Name - Wednesday, Sep 5, 18 @ 11:44 am: Looks like a certain poster can’t hammer Rauner on EIU declining enrollment. This is what happens when marketing people effectively do their job along with upper administration. - Wylie Coyote - Wednesday, Sep 5, 18 @ 11:46 am: I still wonder what the percentage of commuter students attend SIU-Edwardsville vs Carbondale? - Oswego Willy - Wednesday, Sep 5, 18 @ 11:48 am: ===Looks like a certain poster can’t hammer Rauner on EIU declining enrollment.=== EIU is growing in spite of Rauner, not because of Rauner. For three fiscal years Rauner flat out refused to fully fund higher education. Rauner signed a full year budget while facing a 152-20 GA passage. Rauner chose not to be overridden. Rauner is not a friend of Illinois higher education. - Leigh John-Ella - Wednesday, Sep 5, 18 @ 11:52 am: Pick a name, he doesnt’ have to. The EIU president did that for him. from the story … The university president has set a goal for 9,000 students on campus since he took the position a few years ago. At the time he took the position, the university took a big hit, largely as a result of external forces like the state budget impasse. “(The impasse) was an unprecedented situation, and one our state must never face again,” Glassman said. - namesnick - Wednesday, Sep 5, 18 @ 11:54 am: my mil is a freshman english teacher at eiu, so i asked her about this. based on her comment, i’d be interested in how many of those freshman are there 2nd semester or come back as sophomores next year - Oswego Willy - Wednesday, Sep 5, 18 @ 12:00 pm: (Tips cap to - Leigh John-Ella -) To riff off of an important grab… ===The university president has set a goal for 9,000 students on campus since he took the position a few years ago. At the time he took the position, the university took a big hit, largely as a result of external forces like the state budget impasse. “(The impasse) was an unprecedented situation, and one our state must never face again,” Glassman said.=== What Glassman is making crystal clear here is… EIU’s success is predicated on the work of EIU, abd tgis currebt Administration is working against universities… and universities are now looking back, and looking forward… abd not looking to Rauner to succeed. - SIUE alum - Wednesday, Sep 5, 18 @ 12:09 pm: “- Wylie Coyote - Wednesday, Sep 5, 18 @ 11:46 am: I still wonder what the percentage of commuter students attend SIU-Edwardsville vs Carbondale?” Interesting question, but how do you define a ‘commuter student’? When I attended SIUE, I moved to a neighboring community. The apartment complex I lived in was probably 75% SIUE students. I was classified as a commuter student, but I wouldn’t have moved there had it not been to attend college. Edwardsville isn’t very big and can be quite pricey, many students lived in nearby communities that are still a ~10 minute drive from campus. Still, I’m sure the number is MUCH higher. - Olmsted - Wednesday, Sep 5, 18 @ 12:23 pm: The problems at SIUC start with Glen Poshard and the hiring of liberal professors. Illinois families don’t want to send their kids to a school to turn them into socialist. Kids are flocking to Murray State in KY and SEMO in Missouri. - Rich Miller - Wednesday, Sep 5, 18 @ 12:25 pm: Olmsted, my screens caught your comment, but I released it because it was so ridic that I thought I’d give the other commenters the chance to rebut your goofiness. Thanks (exclamation point) - Free the "e" - Wednesday, Sep 5, 18 @ 12:26 pm: The most recent university factbook for SIUE from the 2017-2018 academic year indicates that there were 2,879 students living on campus. The factbook for SIUC for that same year shows 2,698 students living on campus. Given the 23% drop in new freshmen at SIUC this fall, I am sure the difference is even larger. Face the facts, SIUE is no longer a commuter campus. - Stark - Wednesday, Sep 5, 18 @ 12:26 pm: Olmsted, thank you for offering your insightful opinion. You seem sincere in thinking socialism and liberalism come from the same ancestry line. Good luck with that opinion moving forward. - Oswego Willy - Wednesday, Sep 5, 18 @ 12:30 pm: ===Glen Poshard and the hiring of liberal professors. Illinois families don’t want to send their kids to a school to turn them into socialist.=== Are there a list of non-socialist schools? Do guidance counselors here in Illinois have this list? ===Kids are flocking to Murray State in KY and SEMO in Missouri=== No. Families are choosing schools like you mention, and others in large part due to cost. The hundreds flocking to merit based scholarship opportunities are really “because socialists?” Yikes. - Scamp640 - Wednesday, Sep 5, 18 @ 12:35 pm: @ Oldstead. Murray State offers gender and diversity studies: https://www.murraystate.edu/academics/CollegesDepartments/CollegeOfHumanitiesAndFineArts/EnglishAndPhilosophy/UndergraduatePrograms/GenderandDiversityStudiesMinor.aspx - L.A. - Wednesday, Sep 5, 18 @ 12:55 pm: and which college did you attend, Olmsted? - BlueDogDem - Wednesday, Sep 5, 18 @ 1:06 pm: My opinion of SIUC’S DECLINE is based on answers I have gotten when I ask young adults why they don’t want to attend. Let’s start there. - Rich Miller - Wednesday, Sep 5, 18 @ 1:10 pm: ===when I ask=== That ain’t data. - Pick a Name - Wednesday, Sep 5, 18 @ 1:23 pm: Leigh, Glassman being an educator, I’m sure he knows the decline in EIU’s enrollment started WAY before Rauner sniffed the guv’s chair. It had been on a steep decline in the Blago/Quinn era because the folks entrusted to marketing and promoting enrollment were apparently doing other things. Some posters can hammer Rauner but facts are a stubborn thing. - Oswego Willy - Wednesday, Sep 5, 18 @ 1:27 pm: ===Some posters can hammer Rauner but facts are a stubborn thing.=== No governor since the 1850s has outright refused to fully fund higher education except Bruce Rauner, who did it 3 years in a row. Facts are indeed… stubborn things. - Oswego Willy - Wednesday, Sep 5, 18 @ 1:31 pm: ===I’m sure he knows the decline in EIU’s enrollment started WAY before Rauner sniffed the guv’s chair.=== Funny… this directly points to the impasse… ===The university president has set a goal for 9,000 students on campus since he took the position a few years ago. At the time he took the position, the university took a big hit, largely as a result of external forces like the state budget impasse. “(The impasse) was an unprecedented situation, and one our state must never face again,” Glassman said.=== Hmm… facts are stubborn things. - L.A. - Wednesday, Sep 5, 18 @ 1:31 pm: college, Olmsted? No? Shocker - Pick a Name - Wednesday, Sep 5, 18 @ 1:33 pm: Enrollment at EIU fall of ‘06 was 12,349 and enrollment the fall of ‘14, before Rauner took office, was 8913. You may not like truth, but it is the truth. - Oswego Willy - Wednesday, Sep 5, 18 @ 1:35 pm: ===Enrollment at EIU fall of ‘06 was 12,349 and enrollment the fall of ‘14, before Rauner took office, was 8913.=== Again… ===The university president has set a goal for 9,000 students on campus since he took the position a few years ago. At the time he took the position, the university took a big hit, largely as a result of external forces like the state budget impasse. “(The impasse) was an unprecedented situation, and one our state must never face again,” Glassman said.=== You keep trying to ignore what was actually said. K? K Good try, thou. - Reality - Wednesday, Sep 5, 18 @ 1:50 pm: What does it mean to “fully” fund something? When does a potential recipient of funding ever say, “Stop, you have given me too much.”? If you support higher education, define what you think it should be, decide how much that would cost, and make a proposal, but please stop using the meaningless phrase “full funding”. - Pick a Name - Wednesday, Sep 5, 18 @ 1:57 pm: Willy, how do you explain the huge drop in EIU’s enrollment from ‘06 to ‘14? Please attempt to give a direct answer instead of morphing to…..Rauner bad, no budget. Just try, ok? - Not a Billionaire - Wednesday, Sep 5, 18 @ 1:58 pm: We do need data to see where young people consider the most important factors. in college selection. Obviously financial aid but do they want to go to a rural area anymore? - 47th Ward - Wednesday, Sep 5, 18 @ 2:02 pm: ===What does it mean to “fully” fund something?=== How about we start with George Ryan’s last budget and simply adjust for inflation? The public universities split a total of $1.4 billion then. I’d argue, had we maintained that investment, tuition would be substantially lower at the public universities and enrollment would be much higher. Under Ryan, EIU received almost $52 million per year. Think they’d be happy with that today? For comparison purposed, in FY15, EIU received less than $43 million. In FY17, that fell to $34 million. Hard to recover from that. The nice thing about history is that it’s often written down and you can look things up when you’re not sure. https://opensiuc.lib.siu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1019&context=ppi_papers - Oswego Willy - Wednesday, Sep 5, 18 @ 2:02 pm: (Sigh) You wrote… ===Looks like a certain poster can’t hammer Rauner on EIU declining enrollment. This is what happens when marketing people effectively do their job along with upper administration.=== … which ignores this… ===The university president has set a goal for 9,000 students on campus since he took the position a few years ago. At the time he took the position, the university took a big hit, largely as a result of external forces like the state budget impasse. “(The impasse) was an unprecedented situation, and one our state must never face again,” Glassman said.=== So you cheer that Rauner isn’t to blame, EIU’s Glassman makes the point this gain is in spite of Rauner, ruining your attempt to make it about me… … now you want to talk 2006? You don’t hold Rauner accountable for his 3 years of not fully funding higher ed, as Glassman states was a mitigating factor, today, they are/we’re fighting? Take a nap. Glassman already answered your ask. - Not a Billionaire - Wednesday, Sep 5, 18 @ 2:04 pm: I pulled out an old college book from the 70s. SIUC was 17000 just ahead of ISU and NIU. WIU was 13000 and EIU was about the same as today.There does seem to be a change in geographic preference. - Oswego Willy - Wednesday, Sep 5, 18 @ 2:06 pm: I’d also argue the partial funding of state universities… covered by Rich… was something negotiated, and acknowledging… at the time… it wasn’t meeting the obligation of full funding. - BlueDogDem - Wednesday, Sep 5, 18 @ 2:12 pm: That ain’t data. Well it sure beats the heck out of the stuff they’ve been using to bolster enrollment the last 24 years. - Not a Billionaire - Wednesday, Sep 5, 18 @ 2:20 pm: The state also underfunded SURS too. Even though I think SURS is the best funded. Also it is not just Illinois. Google news college or university enrollment. There is a real dearth of anything frombprkvaye schools. Since they don’t have to report they usually only release good news. - Pick a Name - Wednesday, Sep 5, 18 @ 2:21 pm: Just can’t answer a question—SMH A one trick pony. - Oswego Willy - Wednesday, Sep 5, 18 @ 2:24 pm: ===Just can’t answer a question…=== Here was the question… ===Looks like a certain poster can’t hammer Rauner on EIU declining enrollment. This is what happens when marketing people effectively do their job along with upper administration.=== … which ignores this… ===The university president has set a goal for 9,000 students on campus since he took the position a few years ago. At the time he took the position, the university took a big hit, largely as a result of external forces like the state budget impasse. “(The impasse) was an unprecedented situation, and one our state must never face again,” Glassman said.=== You didn’t like that, so, you ignore the 3 years of Rauner purposely hurting higher education with “whataboutism” Ya can’t say 2006… and in the same breath ignore 2015, 2016, 2017. Again, Glassman answered your ask, you don’t like the answer. - wordslinger - Wednesday, Sep 5, 18 @ 2:32 pm: –Illinois families don’t want to send their kids to a school to turn them into socialist.=== Geez, they must have raised some weak-minded kids if they’re so easily indoctrinated. Could you give your definition of “socialism,” please? That seems to be the word-of-the-day in the Pee Wee’s Playhouse of right-wing yakkers, but it’s hard to pin down what they mean by it. By any definition, I’m sure you’ll be foregoing any Social Security or Medicare benefits in the future, based on your principled stand against “socialism.” - BlueDogDem - Wednesday, Sep 5, 18 @ 2:56 pm: ….now….about that funding split. - Maywoodian - Wednesday, Sep 5, 18 @ 3:16 pm: Olmsted, As a person that actually holds a degree from Semo AND Siuc, lemme say,you have no idea what you are talking about. Stop the talking points and Think! - btowntruth from forgottonia - Wednesday, Sep 5, 18 @ 3:54 pm: Olmstead can’t answer because he is busy burning his Nike gear. - Arthur Andersen - Wednesday, Sep 5, 18 @ 4:41 pm: FWIW, AA’s youngest daughter is a “non-commuter” student at SIUE in her senior year. There are plenty of housing options there, from modern dorms for freshmen to student-oriented apartments to charming homes in the lovely city of Edwardsville. Any “advantage” the E has gained over the years has come from stable leadership, remarkable community and alumni support, and a great location. - Pick a Name - Wednesday, Sep 5, 18 @ 5:11 pm: Under Rauner’s leadership, the University of Illinois system has recorded record growth the past few years. Apparently the increase in enrollment at EIU can be attributed partially to Rauner, reversing a big loss in students starting about 2006 under the dem leadership of Blago, MJM, and Quinn. - Oswego Willy - Wednesday, Sep 5, 18 @ 5:15 pm: (Sigh) ===Under Rauner’s leadership, the University of Illinois system has recorded record growth the past few years.=== Crain’s… shorturl.at/afrI7 ===The University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign is citing Springfield’s long budget stalemate as a culprit in its fall on the latest U.S. News & World Report ranking of U.S. colleges and universities. The downstate campus dropped to 52nd from a tie for 44th. While Illinois went for more than two years without a budget, public universities like the U of I confronted smaller and less-reliable state funding, and many out-of-state students gave second thoughts to applying. “Given the financial challenges facing higher education over the past 25 months, our focus has been on protecting our students’ Illinois experience and ensuring their success,” Urbana-Champaign Chancellor Robert Jones said in a statement. “We are proud that despite the state budget crisis, our graduation rate, freshman retention rate, admitted student quality and reputation among peers and high school counselors all held steady or improved. Our class sizes crept up, but only slightly.”=== What else ya got - Pick a Name - Rauner failed all higher ed, including UIUC, ask Chancellor Jones. - Pick a Name - Wednesday, Sep 5, 18 @ 6:20 pm: Yet, no matter how much you walk outside and yell at the clouds, the U of I system is realizing record enrollment. And, they still rank ahead of most Big Ten schools, including your beloved Iowa. The truth may hurt but it’s still the truth. - Oswego Willy - Wednesday, Sep 5, 18 @ 6:26 pm: ===Yet, no matter how much you walk outside and yell at the clouds, the U of I system is realizing record enrollment. And, they still rank ahead of most Big Ten schools, including your beloved Iowa. The truth may hurt but it’s still the truth.=== All in spite of Rauner, not because of Rauner… Chancellor Jones? ===While Illinois went for more than two years without a budget, public universities like the U of I confronted smaller and less-reliable state funding, and many out-of-state students gave second thoughts to applying. “Given the financial challenges facing higher education over the past 25 months, our focus has been on protecting our students’ Illinois experience and ensuring their success,” Urbana-Champaign Chancellor Robert Jones said in a statement. “We are proud that despite the state budget crisis, our graduation rate, freshman retention rate, admitted student quality and reputation among peers and high school counselors all held steady or improved. Our class sizes crept up, but only slightly.”=== LOL… I’ll take Chancellor Jones word over you. - Oswego Willy - Wednesday, Sep 5, 18 @ 6:28 pm: - Pick a Name - You know more than Chancellor Jones? Who is yelling at clouds? You’re “that person”… “Oh I know” lol - Jibba - Wednesday, Sep 5, 18 @ 6:42 pm: Pickaname…I suspect that UI enrollment is increasing in part because some students are not confident that EIU, WIU, CSU, or perhaps other schools may not be there in 4 years, but UI will. If I were choosing, I would go to the safer choice, too, in the uncertain Rauner world. If I were choosing between SIUE or SIUC, I would also be heading for Edwardsville. Other reasons also exist, but I will not belabor this. - Pick a Name - Wednesday, Sep 5, 18 @ 6:46 pm: Jibba, a little tougher to be admitted to the U of I than one of the directional schools - Oswego Willy - Wednesday, Sep 5, 18 @ 6:50 pm: ===a little tougher to be admitted to the U of I than one of the directional schools=== … which is why Illinois only trails New Jersey in outward migration of College Freshmen. Keep up. You’re a piece of work… - Pick a Name -… a real piece of work. - Pick a Name - Wednesday, Sep 5, 18 @ 7:16 pm: That statement made no sense Willy. You ok? - Oswego Willy - Wednesday, Sep 5, 18 @ 7:20 pm: Oh… it did. Only New Jersey sends more college freshmen to out of state schools. Only New Jersey… You’re a piece of work… a figure of speech… … Nothing more. - True skeptic - Wednesday, Sep 5, 18 @ 9:15 pm: While the increased enrollment numbers at EIU is a moral boost for Charleston, I can’t help but remain skeptical. For the first time EVER, EIU is counting dual credit (high school students) as part of the freshman class. Would be nice to know what portion of the enrollment increase is attributed to high school students taking dual credit classes vs students enrolled full time. - swILL - Wednesday, Sep 5, 18 @ 10:26 pm: Kids don’t go to SIU anymore because kids don’t go there anymore. - City Zen - Wednesday, Sep 5, 18 @ 10:33 pm: ==Only New Jersey sends more college freshmen to out of state schools. Only New Jersey…== That is the same rank we’ve held since 1992. Now what? - Oswego Willy - Wednesday, Sep 5, 18 @ 10:44 pm: ===That is the same rank we’ve held since 1992.=== You sure? - City Zen - Wednesday, Sep 5, 18 @ 11:03 pm: ==You sure?== Yes. The numbers you cite are from the National Center for Education Statistics study using 2014 enrollment numbers. NCES has yearly reports dating back to 1995, which cite 1992 enrollment numbers. I haven’t reviewed all the reports, but NJ and IL were the bottom 2 in 1992 and the reports I sampled thereafter. Some states like NJ, IL, CT, and MD have stayed near the bottom. NY was negative and is now positive. TX was positive and is now negative. What’s good and what’s bad? Honestly, I think Illinois is always going to have this issue. We are a high population state surrounded by top quality Big 10 schools. We also have many high performers that aspire to Ivy League and Cal/Stanford. Look at it this way, NJ has always been a solid last place, but their GDP and population ranks are comparable to IL. They haven’t fallen into the Atlantic…yet. - Oswego Willy - Wednesday, Sep 5, 18 @ 11:05 pm: - City Zen - Thanks. Appreciate it. OW - Pick a Name - Thursday, Sep 6, 18 @ 7:50 am: And in other news, IL State University has seen an increase of about 10% in the new freshman class and an increase in transfer students. When administrators run a university like the business it is, good things happen. - Oswego Willy - Thursday, Sep 6, 18 @ 8:05 am: ===…in other news…=== Meaning… yeah, I got nothing. ===When administrators run a university like the business it is, good things happen.=== No. Again, the state universities, each and every one, in testimony. make perfectly clear… Bruce Rauner is not a friend of higher education. Rauner is forcing the closures of universities. It is only by the Perfect 10, and the Brave 15… and embarrassing Rauner with a 152-20 budget vote this year… that Illinois universities are slowly crawling back. You are one piece of work, - Pick a Name… - Pick a Name - Thursday, Sep 6, 18 @ 9:46 am: So you describe UIUC as “slowly crawling back” when they have record in enrollment the past 5 years. You probably think the Boston Red Sox are having a so so season. Trying to live up to the high Willy standards. One thing that should make you happy(but likely will not) is the new offer from the U of I. Family income of $61K or less, go to the U of I with free tuition for 4 years. - Oswego Willy - Thursday, Sep 6, 18 @ 9:51 am: ===One thing that should make you happy(but likely will not) is the new offer from the U of I. Family income of $61K or less, go to the U of I with free tuition for 4 years.=== Qualifying students… roughly 250… ===So you describe UIUC as “slowly crawling back” when they have record in enrollment the past 5 years.=== Chancellor Jones? ===“Given the financial challenges facing higher education over the past 25 months, our focus has been on protecting our students’ Illinois experience and ensuring their success,” Urbana-Champaign Chancellor Robert Jones said in a statement. “We are proud that despite the state budget crisis, our graduation rate, freshman retention rate, admitted student quality and reputation among peers and high school counselors all held steady or improved. Our class sizes crept up, but only slightly.”=== “Crept up, but only slightly.” What else ya got? - Pick a Name - Thursday, Sep 6, 18 @ 10:06 am: Don’t need more supporting info when the facts are right there. Record enrollment the past 5 years, major donation from Gies of $150 million for the Business School, all kinds of construction going on throughout campus. Facts are there. And UIUC is still way ahead of the majority of BT schools, even that Hawkeye school so near and dear to your heart. When you have increases that set records each year, that’s a good thing. Keep up bro. - Oswego Willy - Thursday, Sep 6, 18 @ 10:11 am: ===bro=== You are one piece of work… lol ===Don’t need more supporting info when the facts are right there. ===Record enrollment the past 5 years, major donation from Gies of $150 million for the Business School, all kinds of construction going on throughout campus. Facts are there.=== … and yet… the Chancellor of the University disagrees… lol ===The University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign is citing Springfield’s long budget stalemate as a culprit in its fall on the latest U.S. News & World Report ranking of U.S. colleges and universities. The downstate campus dropped to 52nd from a tie for 44th. While Illinois went for more than two years without a budget, public universities like the U of I confronted smaller and less-reliable state funding, and many out-of-state students gave second thoughts to applying. “Given the financial challenges facing higher education over the past 25 months, our focus has been on protecting our students’ Illinois experience and ensuring their success,” Urbana-Champaign Chancellor Robert Jones said in a statement. “We are proud that despite the state budget crisis, our graduation rate, freshman retention rate, admitted student quality and reputation among peers and high school counselors all held steady or improved. Our class sizes crept up, but only slightly.”=== You are arguing with Chancellor Jones, not me. Keep up. ===And UIUC is still way ahead of the majority of BT schools, even that Hawkeye school so near and dear to your heart. When you have increases that set records each year, that’s a good thing.=== Again, Chancellor Jones disagrees with you, maybe you should take it up with someone who really, honestly, actually “knows”… Like I said, you’re a real piece of work. Sorry, comments for this post are now closed.