* Tribune…
Illinois State Police rescinded more than 10,000 gun licenses last year — and more than 75 percent of the revocation recipients ignored it, according to newly released data.
The state agency provided the staggering figures late Thursday, as part of trove of law-enforcement documents involving Gary Martin, the convicted felon who fatally shot five co-workers and wounded several police officers at an Aurora warehouse last week. Martin, 45, went on a rampage after learning he was being terminated — opening fire with a gun he never should have been allowed to purchase.
In the shooting’s wake, authorities disclosed that Martin passed two background checks before buying the Smith & Wesson .40-caliber handgun used in the mass killing. As convicted felon, Illinois law prohibited Martin from holding a Firearm Owners Identification Card or owning a gun.
* ISP…
In 2018, 10,818 FOID Cards were revoked. In 2018, ISP received only 2,616 Firearm Disposition Records. During that year, only 3,469 FOID cards were returned to ISP. More than 75% of FOID card revocations failed to result in a Firearms Disposition Record being returned.
From 2014 through 2019 (YTD) there have been a total of 110 arrests for violation of 430 ILCS 65/9.5(a) - Failure to Return FOID card or/ not submitting a Firearm Disposition Record. In 2018, there were only 10 arrests statewide for this offense. Therefore, of the 7,531 revocations that did not result in a Firearm Disposition Record being returned, less than 0.004% of revocations resulted in an arrest or conviction.
That’s just a ridiculously low arrest rate.
* ABC 7…
In his first TV interview since being sworn in, new Illinois Attorney General Kwame Raoul told the I-Team this week that Illinois’ FOID card enforcement needs to be examined as part of a comprehensive look at gun laws.
Raoul pointed to Martin’s false answer on his FOID application in 2014 that went unchecked. Martin declared that he had never been convicted of a felony, which he had. The new state attorney general suggested to the I-Team that lying on a FOID application should be more than a misdemeanor, which is where it now stands.
The penalty is actually a Class 2 Felony, not a misdemeanor. It needs to be enforced.
* Concealed carry applicants can submit fingerprints to expedite the process. For whatever crazy reason, Martin chose to do that, which led to a search result that finally showed his previous felony conviction. Back to the ISP…
Upon receipt of the court documents, Martin’s FCCL application was denied on March 26, 2014. A letter dated April 15, 2014, was sent to Martin notifying him of his FCCL application denial as well as indicating he was no longer eligible for a FOID card. Martin was notified he was responsible for surrendering his FOID card and any weapons in his possession. FCCL staff notified FOID staff for purposes of revoking Martin’s FOID card. Martin’s FOID card was subsequently revoked on April 17, 2014.
The ISP’s procedure in 2014 was to notify local, county, and state law enforcement of the revocation, where the FOID card holder resides, electronically by means of the LEADS system. ISP records do not contain a copy of an electronic notification sent to law enforcement for Martin. These LEADS administrative messages are only maintained for three years. As of March 16, 2015, notification to law enforcement regarding FOID revocations is made via a typed letter sent through the United States Postal Service. After an exhaustive search of paper and electronic records, neither Martin’s FOID card nor a related Firearms Disposition Form could be located.
Sheesh.
FOID cards are valid for 10 years. The ISP needs to keep records longer than they are and do a much better job of keeping those records.
And putting the sole onus on the felon for turning in his or her guns is just ridiculous.
* Back to fingerprinting…
Richard Pearson, the executive director of the Illinois State Rifle Association, said he would oppose fingerprinting because of the potential cost to those who apply for a FOID card. Pearson estimated that the current $10 fee could go up dramatically if the cost of a fingerprinting would be passed onto applicants.
“It is just too expensive,” he said, calling what happened in Aurora a “tragedy,” but adding that this was an example of one error.
Pearson told me, however, that he’s willing to work on other issues related to this to get these guns away from people who shouldn’t own them.
* ISP…
There are currently 2,285,990 active FOID cards and 325,187 active FCCL statewide. Of FCCL holders, only 126,559 submitted fingerprints with their applications. Therefore, only 0.06% of FOID card holders were fingerprinted as part of the FOID/FCCL application process.
* NBC 5…
In a news release, the Illinois State Police blamed authorities in Mississippi for failing to link Martin’s criminal history with a so-called “state identification number” (SID). That failure reportedly prevented detection of a conviction from the nineties for aggravated assault for which he served five years in prison.
Ugh.
- 47th Ward - Friday, Feb 22, 19 @ 10:11 am:
===“It is just too expensive,”===
You pay $30 sales tax on a $500 shotgun, but a $1 per year fee for a FOID card is too much?
- Anonymous - Friday, Feb 22, 19 @ 10:12 am:
==The ISP needs to keep records longer than they are and do a much better job of keeping those records.==
The way I read it, it sounds like they now do. It says the process in 2014 was to notify via LEADs, which are only kept in the system 3 years, but the process changed to hard copy letter early in 2015, which they presumably still have.
- Cornfed - Friday, Feb 22, 19 @ 10:15 am:
47th, he’s referring to the cost of fingerprinting
- Huh? - Friday, Feb 22, 19 @ 10:17 am:
I wonder how long it will be until there is a lawsuit filed against the State for failing to seize the gun and FOID card.
- Dance Band on the Titanic - Friday, Feb 22, 19 @ 10:22 am:
It is “just too expensive” to enact the necessary measures to prevent firearms from being in the hands of felons who intend deadly harm to others? With that attitude, why is he even part of the discussion?
- Anonymous - Friday, Feb 22, 19 @ 10:22 am:
Let’s not forget last year:
https://www.bnd.com/news/local/article209623324.html
I could be wrong, but it is my understanding that ISP notifies the local law enforcement agency of the FOID revocations, and it is their responsibility to enforce the law.
Chiefs have been resistant because the issue of attaining a search warrant to confiscate recokee’s guns can be complicated.
- D - Friday, Feb 22, 19 @ 10:24 am:
All about incentives. Cops too busy arresting the poor for drugs because that’s where their federal funding comes in from, seizing guns from revoked foid cardholders just isn’t where the money is at
- Anonymous - Friday, Feb 22, 19 @ 10:25 am:
==I wonder how long it will be until there is a lawsuit filed against the State for failing to seize the gun and FOID card.==
The statute they list authorized county or local officials to seek a warrant, so the onusand likely liability would be on them, but since they’re not required to do, and generally there’s immunity to government in exercising their authority, it wouldn’t be an easy case to win.
- FormerParatrooper - Friday, Feb 22, 19 @ 10:27 am:
It would be closer to $6 a year to have FOID requiring fingerprints.The fingerprint fee for CCW is $55 or $60. $70 would be the new cost for a FOID. Why increase the fee when it was a government failure?
- Honeybear - Friday, Feb 22, 19 @ 10:27 am:
I think the state should require each gun owner to carry insurance for each weapon.
The state requires car insurance
Why not gun insurance.
I think doing that would shift the onus onto
insurance companies for keeping this stuff in compliance.
I honestly don’t blame ISP for not arresting or getting the guns back.
There are so many gun nuts out there.
Fine, keep all your guns.
You just have to pay insurance on each one.
Just like a car.
ISP has enough issues to deal with
They don’t need to be shot at.
I’m tired of state workers being targets
- 47th Ward - Friday, Feb 22, 19 @ 10:29 am:
===the cost of fingerprinting===
Wait until you see what the cost of having the ISP confiscate firearms from people who lose their FOID is. That is going to require one heck of a user fee to cover.
A surcharge on firearm purchases and ammunition would be a good place to start.
- Mason born - Friday, Feb 22, 19 @ 10:36 am:
Pearson isn’t making much sense on the fee part. $10 for 10 years is really low. Kicking it up to between 20 & 30 would seem reasonable esp if the money only goes to administer the FOID. Not so high as to be a barrier for the disadvantaged but the FOID folks could use more revenue.
As for finger prints if that’s made a 1 time expense, don’t know why you’d need to repeat it every 10yrs, that doesn’t sound unreasonable. Could even be cheaper if ISP allowed local Law Enforcement to do the 10 card. Question is if it would work with the current computerized system.
- 33rd ward - Friday, Feb 22, 19 @ 10:41 am:
The NRA and it’s allies in politics have ensured for years that firearms weren’t tracked, that zero liability followed them, and that their owners stay unknown. The results continue to be innocent death.
All bullets should be ID’d with a code. That code follows liability. You lose your bullets, and they get used to kill someone, then you should be civily liable.
Civil penalties is how we keep the world safe. Somehow, we forget them with are most dangerous instruments.
- Cornfed - Friday, Feb 22, 19 @ 10:42 am:
— That is going to require one heck of a user fee to cover.
—
Why is that? It’s the simple enforcement of laws already on the books. Do we put a user fee on everything that can be misused, or just the things you find distasteful?
- wordslinger - Friday, Feb 22, 19 @ 10:43 am:
–I wonder how long it will be until there is a lawsuit filed against the State for failing to seize the gun and FOID card.–
After Aurora, my guess is not too long.
- Anonymous - Friday, Feb 22, 19 @ 10:45 am:
Seems like they just need to enforce the law. Even the attorney general didnt realize that lying on a foid application is already a felony. First answer was more regulation… The regulation he wanted already exists. Why isnt it enforced? Follow the money.
- Todd - Friday, Feb 22, 19 @ 10:48 am:
47 — good to see you’re all about taxes and fees on rights.
vendor fees for fingerprints are running $60 or more. the Fee for the FBI to run them is $32.50 so you’re looking at a $100 FOID just to have the right to possess a firearm. And they said we couldn’t do Voter ID because it was unfoar to the poor.
So how is making people trek to some for profit vendor and plop down $60 or more to get finger printed not unfair, or disenfranchising the the poor?
For me, that would be a $400 hit so my boys can go shooting, hunting or simply make sure they are covered by the law. But I guess $400 for a fundimental right is no big deal after all.
So you are looking at a $250 million hit to gun owners in this state. If the State Police eat the FBI fees, thats a $75 million hit all by itself.
But we’ll just tax guns and ammo and such. No We’ll just go buy them out of state. The dealer bill is already seeing FFLs close up. Your attitude and policies have driven several manufacturers out of state, the latest being Lewis Mchine and Tool who is taking their 125 jobs and multimillion dollar company across the river to Iowa.
Before long, your “type” will decimate lots of those good rural jobs. Armalite is gone. Les Bear left. Rock River is on the verge of leaving so you’ve done a pretty good job of pushing $250 million worth of corporations and manufacturing jobs out fo Illinois.
So no we reject your knee jerk reactions to a systematic failure at every level of the procees, locals, state, feds. When all the tools were there, but not used for 5 years while this person was a felon in possession.
You can ramp up the penalty for non-complaince for prohibited persons to s felony. You can increase notice by including the Local LE shop, Sheriff and State’s Attorney. After 5 days send a second notice, even if they have to create a new database that LEs can log onto to check their area and make sure it pops up on LEADS for trafic stops.
Start there
- Anonymous - Friday, Feb 22, 19 @ 10:52 am:
Todd,
Do you think people should have to buy insurance for their weapons?
- wondering - Friday, Feb 22, 19 @ 10:53 am:
Honeybear, driving is a priviledge. Gun ownership is a right. Rights are not taxable or restricted unless involving felons. Kind of like voting. I will agree though, Trump voters should be held liable.
- wordslinger - Friday, Feb 22, 19 @ 10:53 am:
–Chiefs have been resistant because the issue of attaining a search warrant to confiscate recokee’s guns can be complicated.–
How’s that? Can’t find the judges’ chambers in the courthouse? The law is quite clear.
I can understand resistance because of the real potential danger to officers in enforcing the law. That needs to be addressed on the state level in developing an effective enforcement mechanism.
If you ask someone to do a tough job, you have to ensure they have the right tools, whether its something like special regional enforcement groups (i.e. MEG) or a specialized unit of ISP.
We can’t let this real issue fade away, and get overwhelmed by cable yakker sideshows like Smollett.
- JS Mill - Friday, Feb 22, 19 @ 10:57 am:
=So no we reject your knee jerk reactions=
More of the “royal we”?
- Todd - Friday, Feb 22, 19 @ 10:57 am:
Anon –
No there is no insirance for deliberate acts and it just serves as a poll tax for the use of the right.
If my car is stolen and used in a crime, does my insurance pay the victims? No it pays for the loss of the car.
People want a 100% foolproof system. it doesn’t exist. and then they want to treat the right as a half assed privledge to be handed out after all these hoops and hurdels.
And you wonder why 3d printing and building your own guns has taken off in recent years. They are the unintended consequenses of the quest for more and more gun control.
there are about 400 million firearms in the country. horse is long out of the barn
- 47th Ward - Friday, Feb 22, 19 @ 10:57 am:
===good to see you’re all about taxes and fees on rights.===
Meh, it’s a hobby. It’s not like I have to pay $600 per year to exercise my God-given, Constitutionally protected right to petition my government to redress grievances or anything.
IIRC, you pay that too, don’t you Todd? Why should the 2nd Amendment be treated better than the 1st?
- Not a Billionaire - Friday, Feb 22, 19 @ 11:04 am:
It’s never been enforced. I know of known felons at deer check stations that were handed hunting license as well. We have AI that should be able to sort Foid hunting and concealed carry. Don’t forget domestic abusers as well.
- Cornfed - Friday, Feb 22, 19 @ 11:08 am:
— Meh, it’s a hobby —
And that is why you lose the argument at every level, treating gun owners like kids with toys.
- FormerParatrooper - Friday, Feb 22, 19 @ 11:10 am:
47, I disagree with fees for your 1A right as well. All of the rights enumerated in our Constitution should be treated equally. Each right is dependent on the other and together those rights make us who we are.
- wordslinger - Friday, Feb 22, 19 @ 11:18 am:
–47 — good to see you’re all about taxes and fees on rights.–
The Supremes found that sales taxes and fees on guns and ammo are unconstitutional? I missed that one.
- Badaboom - Friday, Feb 22, 19 @ 11:19 am:
Illinois needs to do better. How the heck do you NOT enforce this law? They could have prevented this shooting. If ISP don’t have money in the budget, then ask for it. Stop and think before cooking up NEW gun control laws.
- SAP - Friday, Feb 22, 19 @ 11:20 am:
==“It is just too expensive,” he said, calling what happened in Aurora a “tragedy,” but adding that this was an example of one error==
It may have been one error, but it was repeated thousands of time.
- Todd - Friday, Feb 22, 19 @ 11:23 am:
yes I pay that too and would love to see a challenge. I dissagree with that as well there is no clause about petitionng governement and getting paid or not for the right.
Its not a hobby, it is a fundimentally enumerated right. No different than any of the others.
- Todd - Friday, Feb 22, 19 @ 11:25 am:
Word –
its being litigated. there are some strong 1A cases against taxing newspapers. I think we are going to prevail on that one
CA already lost one round on exsessive fees on things like background checks
- Been There - Friday, Feb 22, 19 @ 11:25 am:
===Therefore, only 0.06% of FOID card holders were fingerprinted ===
They are off a couple of decimal points and need to learn how to read a calculator. Its actually almost 6% not 0.06%.
.06 is not the same as .06% it is 6%
- Jocko - Friday, Feb 22, 19 @ 11:33 am:
==driving is a privilege. Gun ownership is a right.==
I notice you glossed over the “well regulated militia” part…probably because there’s little (to no) regulation going on at the present time.
- Joe Bidenopolous - Friday, Feb 22, 19 @ 11:37 am:
===$100 FOID just to have the right to possess a firearm===
For a 10-year FOID. Just so we’re clear, Todd - you’re saying $10 per year is just way too high of a burden?
- Rabid - Friday, Feb 22, 19 @ 11:39 am:
Medical marijuana users criminals?
- Cornfed - Friday, Feb 22, 19 @ 11:48 am:
Jocko, “well regulated” in 18th century parlance meant well organized, it had nothing to do with restrictions.
- Mason born - Friday, Feb 22, 19 @ 11:49 am:
Joe B.
For me no, for someone who’s disadvantaged $100 is a significant hit & it isn’t spread over 10 yrs. That said the law could be written to allow police to do the fingerprinting. That would shave $60 or so depending what the Pd charged.
- wordslinger - Friday, Feb 22, 19 @ 12:00 pm:
–Jocko, “well regulated” in 18th century parlance meant well organized, it had nothing to do with restrictions.–
LOL, I really don’t think you want to go there, as to how the 2nd Amendment was interpreted for more than 200 years before the 5-4 Heller and McDonald rulings.
Can’t have it both ways.
- Jocko - Friday, Feb 22, 19 @ 12:11 pm:
Silly me, I thought “rights” often came hand-in-hand with “responsibilities”.
It’s chilling to think that a high percentage of the 2.3M FOID holders and 200K FCCL holders need only check “no” in the felony box (and not get caught) to buy, sell, and use firearms with impunity.
- Rod - Friday, Feb 22, 19 @ 12:28 pm:
There is a cost factor with finger printing Todd is totally correct on that. Those who have just FOID cards in our state face many prohibitions on what can be done with the weapons and rules involving transporting those weapons. It is very different than a concealed carry permit.
It’s pretty clear in this situation the ISP did not even verify that an ILLINOIS STATE POLICE FIREARM DISPOSITION RECORD was filed let alone verified. The existing form has some issues with it in my opinion and could use improvement.
- FormerParatrooper - Friday, Feb 22, 19 @ 12:28 pm:
All rights have responsibilities. Paying to exercise those rights does not equate responsibility, how you behave is the responsibility.
Its more chilling to think the government is failing to prosecute those not acting responsibly and being at fault for the death and damage from that failure. I really doubt it is high percentage of FOID owners or FCCL are felons who lied. Unless you have some proof for that assertion?
- 47th Ward - Friday, Feb 22, 19 @ 12:35 pm:
===I really doubt it is high percentage of FOID owners or FCCL are felons who lied.===
Oh, OK. I guess we’ll just take your word for it and cross our fingers that another Aurora situation doesn’t happen.
Or we could provide the ISP with the resources to actually enforce the law. Funny, I often hear the 2nd Amendment fetishists begging gun control people to “enforce existing laws” before passing new ones.
How about it? My suggestion is we put some of that burden on to the people most closely involved: gun owners and purchasers of ammunition. Predictably, the 2nd Amendment crowd recoils at the horror of such an idea.
Now I’ll wait to hear why you think Illinois either should or should not turn a blind eye to criminals with FOID cards.
- Todd - Friday, Feb 22, 19 @ 12:39 pm:
JB yes. I think $100 is excessive. and $400 for a family surely is. All for a fundamental right, not to mention the red tape and wait. Don;t forget not long ago it was taking 120 days for people to have their “right” to possess a firearm.
Jako –yea you guys always want to jump to that and ignore what the Court said about that first part…
“Held: (a) The Amendment’s prefatory clause announces a purpose, but does not limit or expand the scope of the second part, the operative clause. The operative clause’s text and history demonstrate that it connotes an individual right to keep and bear arms.”
Yea rights come with responsibilities. Not taxes and attempts to regulate them out of existence. But the press corp shows us just how irresponsible those at the vanguard of espousing rights of a free press have been.
I’ll go there Word. Very little case law on the subject and in Miller the defendant didn’t show up. If you took it at it’s core full autos are protected for individuals to own.
You don’t like Heller or McDonald — too bad. Can’t wait till we New York done and Thomas solidifies it even more and “hopefully” takes a lot of policy choices off the table as mentioned in Heller.
- wondering - Friday, Feb 22, 19 @ 12:39 pm:
you seem to favor your favorites and screen out opinions you don’t like. Won’t clutter your blog anymore.
- Todd - Friday, Feb 22, 19 @ 12:50 pm:
47 — its simple, yes enforce the law. If you think this is all so important, then the state can pick up the tab as a public safety measure. Figure out where you want the extra $$$ for ISP to hire the bodies.
We know that 2500 last year were mental health disqualifies. You have OOPs and convictions as the other two categories that are relevant. the fourth is people who move out of state. You really can’t charge someone with a felony for flipping Illinois the bird and saying asta la byebye. So are we looking at 7500? thats about 20 per day to chase down working 7 days a week. 30 or more depending on workdays and holidays. So what 150 new ISP hires to chase all this down.
$15 mill a year. chump change for the state. You wanted all this, not us. We would rather be like the other 45 states. So you want it, you pay for it. And we’ll keep litigating it and having counties and elected officials say, nope were not gonna enforce those laws.
- 47th Ward - Friday, Feb 22, 19 @ 12:52 pm:
===You wanted all this, not us.===
I wouldn’t need it if it weren’t for you.
- wordslinger - Friday, Feb 22, 19 @ 12:53 pm:
–Wordslinger, don’t be cute. Big difference between a general sales tax and a specific tax impacting a right.–
What is that?
Take it up with, Todd. He said they’re suing, somewhere, on the sales taxes on guns and ammo.
And I guess I should be flattered that you find me cute, but it’s not meant to be. Stay strong and move on.
- todd - Friday, Feb 22, 19 @ 1:02 pm:
47 funny, Ted Kennedy killed more people than I have with any of my firearms.
Word yes the Cook County gun/ammo tax is being litigated. Can’t wait to get it up in font of the supremes
but pass it statewide and then I can get it in front of a downstate judge.
- Anonymous - Friday, Feb 22, 19 @ 1:10 pm:
“The ISP’s procedure in 2014 was to notify local, county, and state law enforcement of the revocation, where the FOID card holder resides, electronically by means of the LEADS system.” Read in between the lines, the state notifies local and county law enforcement. So how many of these people are relatives and/or informants of those who work for towns and counties in rural areas where good old boy corruption is embedded?
There are reports that mass murderer Nicholas Sheley from Rock Falls was an informant for Whiteside county State’s Attorney Gary Spencer, who started as a Whiteside deputy before he went to law school. Have the FBI investigate these police departments and county sheriffs and I’d bet the police know many of the people who should have their guns seized, but are protecting them as relatives or informants.
- FormerParatrooper - Friday, Feb 22, 19 @ 1:13 pm:
I guess we should take the other commentors word it is true then? They offered no proof, and I stated I doubted that assertion. I offered the same level of proof, but you chose to disagree with my opinion.
I found nothing that suggested there was not enough resources to enforce the laws. Unless the Tribune stated that? I did see that Illinois and Mississippi both dropped the ball that allowed him to buy that firearm. But that is the fault of firearm owners?
I don’t advocate Illinois turning a blind eye, never stated anything near that. Politicians made the FOID, made the laws and if they failed to give the appropriate resources to enforce the law, that is their fault. If the resources were allocated and the enforcement is not being done, maybe we should take that to task instead?
- 47th Ward - Friday, Feb 22, 19 @ 1:13 pm:
===Ted Kennedy===
That cliche is older than I am.
You are personally responsible as an advocate for creating a system where this kind of home arsenal is legal and unknowable.
https://www.cnn.com/2019/02/22/politics/coast-guard-headquarters-arrest-officer-domestic-terrorist/index.html
That’s a little more 2019, don’t you think?
- Cornfed - Friday, Feb 22, 19 @ 2:13 pm:
So all gun owners are potential criminals and/or white supremacists? I know more than a few people with that many guns, and I would trust them with the life of my only child.
- Todd - Friday, Feb 22, 19 @ 2:46 pm:
47 –
Old but true. I have advocated for and continue to advocate for the rights of law abiding citizens to exercise their 2A rights. Unapologetic-ally.
That guy didn’t have an arsenal, he had a small collection. But he didn’t kill anyone. law enforcement intervened like they SHOULD have done in Martin’s case.
And yes, people will continue to own, buy, build guns. 400 million firearms in this country.
- 47th Ward - Friday, Feb 22, 19 @ 2:53 pm:
===400 million firearms in this country===
And none of them are traceable to their owners. Good work Todd.
- Rebel13 - Friday, Feb 22, 19 @ 3:02 pm:
And not a single mention that even though Illinois screwed up and issued a FOID card, when he filled out the Federal 4473 Form to purchase the firearm, he obviously had checked no previous felony convictions. That is a 5-year federal felony. Why wouldn’t this law be enforced or even brought to anyone’s attention by ISP, Aurora PD, etc? You would think this would be a slam dunk case.
- FormerParatrooper - Friday, Feb 22, 19 @ 3:33 pm:
Since the first firearm arrived on this continent in about 1513, there was no registration and later the first gun control laws were directed towards non whites. Todd may be old, but I don’t think he was doing advocacy in 1513.
- RNUG - Friday, Feb 22, 19 @ 3:43 pm:
== That guy didn’t have an arsenal, he had a small collection. ==
Common language matters in a discussion, and it seems to me both sides tend to play games with the definition / meaning of words.
For example, when does a collection become an arsenal? 5 guns? 10? 20? Or when you build your entire basement as a gun safe?
== And none of them are traceable to their owners. Good work Todd. ==
I think the whole license the owner, not the gun FOID compromise came about before Todd became a lobbyist. If I remember correctly, it was in 1968.
- Rabid - Friday, Feb 22, 19 @ 3:45 pm:
Is there a difference in scofflaw felonies vs criminal felonies? The nonviolent victimless felony
- Todd - Friday, Feb 22, 19 @ 3:55 pm:
Rnug — yes it was before my time since I started in 1989/90
And no I’m not a highlander from 1513 — my last name ain’t McCloud.
Arsenal, to me, when you can outfit an infantry platoon thats the beginning. But then again I know guys who have like 40 shotguns. What are you gonna do with all those over unders, side by sides and 870s?
And 47 there actually is a federal registry for the NFA. shor bareld rifles, shotguns machineguns and suppressors are in it.
some states have some form of registries.
take for example when Mass passed their semi-auto ban they only got about 17% complaince. Boulder CO recently tried it and got like 100 citizens out of over 100,000.
we have 2.3 million FOID cards if just 10% say NO, think about that number
- Nonbeleiver - Friday, Feb 22, 19 @ 3:57 pm:
Gun control legislation has become a mockery of itself in this state.
Enforcement not more laws would bed good start.