Capitol Fax.com - Your Illinois News Radar » Question of the day
SUBSCRIBE to Capitol Fax      Advertise Here      About     Exclusive Subscriber Content     Updated Posts    Contact Rich Miller
CapitolFax.com
To subscribe to Capitol Fax, click here.
Question of the day

Wednesday, Sep 25, 2019 - Posted by Rich Miller

* Sun-Times

(I)n a surprise move, Illinois Restaurant Association president Sam Toia opposes allowing bars and restaurants to apply for consumption licenses.

“Who gets these licenses? I don’t think you can give incidental licenses to all restaurants. There’s only gonna be so many licenses that are gonna get out and that won’t be a level playing field,” Toia said.

“We want to make sure that [recreational marijuana is] is not competing with our great culinary scene. Restaurants are here to serve food. Bars are here to serve spirits, wine and beer and show great events. So we at the restaurant association feel, just let the dispensaries dispense” and allow consumption.

* I reached out to Toia via email…

Why couldn’t they give non-smoking consumption licenses to any restaurant which applies? Several chefs will want to infuse food and drinks, so why should that all be completely banned?

* His response…

Hi Rich,

The IRA looks forward to reviewing Mayor Lightfoot and the City Council’s proposals and various concepts for cannabis consumption as conversations continue in the coming weeks. We appreciate the opportunity to be at the table on this important issue.

Thanks,
Sam

* The Question: Should restaurants in communities that have approved the sale of cannabis be allowed to serve food and beverages infused with cannabis? Make sure to explain your answer. And, remember, this isn’t about toking up at your local eatery.

       

35 Comments
  1. - A guy - Wednesday, Sep 25, 19 @ 2:59 pm:

    With a license, yes.


  2. - Southside Markie - Wednesday, Sep 25, 19 @ 3:02 pm:

    With a license, yes. Because of what Rich wrote about what chefs want to do with it. Also, because most restaurants work on very slim margins. Anything that allows them to make more money should be promoted. I’d think that the Restaurant Association would be in favor of that.


  3. - Grandson of Man - Wednesday, Sep 25, 19 @ 3:04 pm:

    Yes. Restaurants serve alcohol, so why not pot-infused food? It’s good for business, to add that dimension to legalization, as far as sales.

    “We want to make sure that [recreational marijuana is] is not competing with our great culinary scene. Restaurants are here to serve food.”

    It could be quite complementary to food, as in the munchies. Serve some marijuana-infused appetizers (no pun intended).


  4. - Three Dimensional Checkers - Wednesday, Sep 25, 19 @ 3:08 pm:

    Yes. I just don’t see the harm in people being high in restaurants, which also already happens all the time without incident.


  5. - thunderspirit - Wednesday, Sep 25, 19 @ 3:11 pm:

    Restaurants cook with alcohol all the time. Why should cooking with cannabis be different?


  6. - Last Bull Moose - Wednesday, Sep 25, 19 @ 3:16 pm:

    Will the dram act apply to impaired drivers? Will the restaurant have to make sure each table has a designated driver or can get home without driving?


  7. - OneMan - Wednesday, Sep 25, 19 @ 3:23 pm:

    My very short answer is yes but there is a fairly large ‘but’ in here.

    I think at a minimum you would need to have the same camera requirements as a retailer and the same staff licensing requirements as a retail location. That would be significant.

    Now here is where the big but comes in.
    I think you would have to require complete food segregation and/or require places that use pot in cooking to completely and very clearly disclose that at the entrance and at on the menu.

    Why, if by mistake (most likely) or on purpose you get some THC into someone’s food it might show up on a drug test down the road and cause them a real issue. Alcohol in food (or a drink) doesn’t run the risk of showing up in a drug test a week later, THC, on the other hand, can show up a week later or even longer.

    Let’s go through this scenario. You are out to eat with your teenager (who due do to being on the robotics team, the marching band or swim team, etc) and he is accidentally handed a rum and coke vs a coke and takes a sip (or even drinks the whole thing) it clears his system in an hour. The same kid is accidentally served the pot burger and gets enough THC in them that it shows up on the drug test a week or two later. The kid gets in trouble, can’t compete and no-one is going to buy the whole ‘I don’t do drugs’ argument from him.

    I think the risk of cross-contamination is something that needs to be addressed in any sort of ‘not explicitly a pot retailer’ situation.


  8. - SpfdNewb - Wednesday, Sep 25, 19 @ 3:26 pm:

    With a license that prohibits combustion-based use for restaurants that want to serve cannabis infused food, yeah no problem. It takes about an hour after eating something with cannabis in it to take effect.

    However, those restaurants though either need to be 1, alcohol free already or 2, lose their liquor license. The combination of alcohol and cannabis consumption at the same time is potent.


  9. - DuPage Saint - Wednesday, Sep 25, 19 @ 3:28 pm:

    Has the banking end of this been worked out? If a restaurant serves munchies then deposit money into a bank can Feds take it? What about deposits of the dispensaries ? Is that a cash business?


  10. - Rich Miller - Wednesday, Sep 25, 19 @ 3:36 pm:

    ===been worked out? ===

    American business will always find a way to make money.


  11. - Anonanonsir - Wednesday, Sep 25, 19 @ 3:38 pm:

    ==chefs will want to infuse food and drinks==

    That’s a convenient way to combine alcohol and weed.

    I’m taking the contrarian view here. Illinois is undergoing a lot of changes, and this change can be added later if things go smoothly.


  12. - Blue Dog Dem - Wednesday, Sep 25, 19 @ 3:41 pm:

    Rich@3:36. AttaBoy


  13. - James Knell - Wednesday, Sep 25, 19 @ 3:49 pm:

    Cannabis infused ‘high-end’ food is common in Denver and Seattle. Let the cooks cook and the diners get baked. ;)


  14. - JoanP - Wednesday, Sep 25, 19 @ 3:53 pm:

    Sure, why not? As long as the ingredient is listed on the menu, so that those who want to refrain from indulging can.

    After all, Alice B. Toklas is famous for her brownies.


  15. - Three Dimensional Checkers - Wednesday, Sep 25, 19 @ 3:54 pm:

    === the banking end ===

    I thought the state chartered a bank specially for the pot business. Also, restaurants have been serving munchies way before the they legalized marijuana.


  16. - Saxman - Wednesday, Sep 25, 19 @ 4:02 pm:

    Now that it’s legal, why do we need marijuana products in your face everywhere you turn? Dispensary’s, restaurants, what next, your favorite barbershop?


  17. - Earnest - Wednesday, Sep 25, 19 @ 4:03 pm:

    Yes. I see it much less as consumption and more as a higher-end foodie/chef thing and I don’t want to deny them the fun and excitement of a new ingredient to work with. If the cost of a license is high enough you’ll be in a specialty market anyway so the unfair-competition perspective is less of a concern.


  18. - Rich Miller - Wednesday, Sep 25, 19 @ 4:08 pm:

    ===why do we need marijuana products in your face everywhere you turn?===

    Those aren’t your restaurants. They belong to the people who own them. If they believe they can make a profit and not upset their customer base, why not?


  19. - benniefly2 - Wednesday, Sep 25, 19 @ 4:42 pm:

    As mentioned above, I think the liability insurance issue is substantial. If insurance companies won’t cover THC laced dishes under existing Dram policies, a restaurant/bar owner could be one car accident that causes injuries away from having to shutter a successful eatery/lounge. I mean, if they theoretically can’t seem to figure out how to pay front of the house workers the full state minimum wage without going under, how will they pay off a lawsuit without a policy to cover it?


  20. - Kayak - Wednesday, Sep 25, 19 @ 4:44 pm:

    In response to Saxman, Springfield has a barbershop on the corner of 4th and Monroe called Hair of the Dog, BARber Shop. They serve alcohol, they cut your hair. So to answer your question yes, yes we do. In fact, I hope to see a Cannabis Cuts Cosmetology Company next every Starbucks next year.


  21. - Right Field - Wednesday, Sep 25, 19 @ 4:54 pm:

    Mix up two dishes in the kitchen, and it’s lawsuit city. Then there is family style or plate-sharing that goes on that could involve minors. Who polices that? Restaurant staff? Bad idea all around.


  22. - Donnie Elgin - Wednesday, Sep 25, 19 @ 4:54 pm:

    “Restaurants cook with alcohol all the time. Why should cooking with cannabis be different?”

    This is interesting but perhaps not 100% relevant. Having worked in restaurants in my younger days I can say that the Chef is likely attempting to capture the flavor of the particular spirit (Coq Au Vin). The majority of the alcohol is cooked off. Not sure how cooking impacts THC levels.


  23. - Rich Miller - Wednesday, Sep 25, 19 @ 5:01 pm:

    ===and it’s lawsuit city===

    If the business owners believe they can overcome that challenge, why stop them?


  24. - Rich Miller - Wednesday, Sep 25, 19 @ 5:05 pm:

    Amazing how the pro-biz types all of a sudden are against business owners making any decisions on a soon to be legal product.


  25. - Maryjane - Wednesday, Sep 25, 19 @ 5:35 pm:

    Booze puts 88,000 Americans in the ground every year and it’s very much a part of most restaurant experiences. No one has a problem with any of that, no one is calling for lawsuits. ‘Seems to me we could live with giving people another option.

    Some of the Cannabis cooking stuff I’ve seen on TV do a lot of CBD and terpene infusions with very limited THC; I suspect that’ll be the case with restaurants. I’ve tried a couple of the THC infused drinks back in Ca. and I’m looking forward to more of those. Personally, I like to make my own Cannbutter. It’s very flexible and I can control the dose.


  26. - Leslie K - Wednesday, Sep 25, 19 @ 5:36 pm:

    I guess I’m neutral on whether it should be allowed. It’s legal at the state level, so go for it. There is probably a lot of opportunity for creativity there, and I tend to be a foodie. But personally I would probably stop visiting restaurants with cannabis on the menu–at least until I retire. Cannabis is still illegal Federally, and I’m held to that standard. I can’t risk an accidental mixup (and yes, I move when concert-goers next to me choose to toke-up; and no, I don’t judge them for it).


  27. - Driving a car - Wednesday, Sep 25, 19 @ 5:41 pm:

    I don’t particularly care either way and I think Toia’s reply to you was pretty solid.

    Let’s see how it plays out.


  28. - Grandson of Man - Wednesday, Sep 25, 19 @ 5:48 pm:

    “Has the banking end of this been worked out?”

    Today the US House overwhelmingly passed marijuana legislation, so maybe it can get done.


  29. - FedUp - Wednesday, Sep 25, 19 @ 6:00 pm:

    Personally I would have no issues allowing restaurants to prepare cannabis infused foods. However I suspect the legal issues with regulations would cause a problem. As it currently stands the restaurant would have to comply with all the regulations held upon dispensaries since they are dispensing. A second confounding factor is that Illinois has adopted the Federal Food Code for regulation of foodservice establishments. Under this and federal opinion CBD, THC and all cannabinoids would be adulterated and unfit for human consumption. Just an act of bureaucratic frustration for everyone based in over regulation of all aspects of our lives.


  30. - Been There - Wednesday, Sep 25, 19 @ 6:29 pm:

    I think they should. Except I think the IRA’s concern is that there will only be a limited number of licenses. Then there would be unfair competition. Kind of like Chicago and other places that don’t allow video gaming compared to nearby towns. As long as all existing places can apply and participate I’m ok.


  31. - truthtopower - Wednesday, Sep 25, 19 @ 9:56 pm:

    Why are we even asking this question? If the product is legal, restaurants should be allowed to sell it. I never heard anyone ask if restaurants should be allowed to serve alcohol.


  32. - Illinois Resident - Wednesday, Sep 25, 19 @ 11:27 pm:

    Yes. It is a legal product now. Time to start treating it that way.


  33. - Shanks - Thursday, Sep 26, 19 @ 8:13 am:

    No. Maybe only if it serves marijuana and related paraphernalia. But not my local restaurant/pub. I still get drug tested for my job and unknowingly consuming marijuana off the menu or a friends plate…or remnants of the food…


  34. - Pundent - Thursday, Sep 26, 19 @ 9:08 am:

    =But not my local restaurant/pub. I still get drug tested for my job and unknowingly consuming marijuana off the menu or a friends plate…or remnants of the food…=

    If a restaurant knowingly puts this on the menu they’re making the conscious decision that some people may not choose to dine there while other may specifically because the items are on the menu. You also have a choice. No one is forcing you to patronize a restaurant with cannabis on the menu. If more people oppose the idea than support it at the end of the day it will be a bad business decision. Not sure why the government would have to put their thumb on the scale.


  35. - Rich Miller - Thursday, Sep 26, 19 @ 9:40 am:

    ===Not sure why the government would have to put their thumb on the scale===

    There may need to be some sort of regulation, perhaps at the local level. But, nobody has ever died simply from consuming cannabis. And if people are worried they could fail a drug test, then don’t go to the restaurant. Pretty simple. Not everything in the world has to revolve around one person’s opinion.


Sorry, comments for this post are now closed.


* Showcasing The Retailers Who Make Illinois Work
* Reader comments closed for the holidays
* And the winners are…
* SUBSCRIBERS ONLY - Update to previous editions
* Isabel’s afternoon roundup
* Report: Far-right Illinois billionaires may have skirted immigration rules
* Question of the day: Golden Horseshoe Awards (Updated)
* Energy Storage Brings Cheaper Electricity, Greater Reliability
* Open thread
* Isabel’s morning briefing
* SUBSCRIBERS ONLY - Today's edition of Capitol Fax (use all CAPS in password)
* Live coverage
* Selected press releases (Live updates)
* Yesterday's stories

Support CapitolFax.com
Visit our advertisers...

...............

...............

...............

...............

...............

...............

...............


Loading


Main Menu
Home
Illinois
YouTube
Pundit rankings
Obama
Subscriber Content
Durbin
Burris
Blagojevich Trial
Advertising
Updated Posts
Polls

Archives
December 2024
November 2024
October 2024
September 2024
August 2024
July 2024
June 2024
May 2024
April 2024
March 2024
February 2024
January 2024
December 2023
November 2023
October 2023
September 2023
August 2023
July 2023
June 2023
May 2023
April 2023
March 2023
February 2023
January 2023
December 2022
November 2022
October 2022
September 2022
August 2022
July 2022
June 2022
May 2022
April 2022
March 2022
February 2022
January 2022
December 2021
November 2021
October 2021
September 2021
August 2021
July 2021
June 2021
May 2021
April 2021
March 2021
February 2021
January 2021
December 2020
November 2020
October 2020
September 2020
August 2020
July 2020
June 2020
May 2020
April 2020
March 2020
February 2020
January 2020
December 2019
November 2019
October 2019
September 2019
August 2019
July 2019
June 2019
May 2019
April 2019
March 2019
February 2019
January 2019
December 2018
November 2018
October 2018
September 2018
August 2018
July 2018
June 2018
May 2018
April 2018
March 2018
February 2018
January 2018
December 2017
November 2017
October 2017
September 2017
August 2017
July 2017
June 2017
May 2017
April 2017
March 2017
February 2017
January 2017
December 2016
November 2016
October 2016
September 2016
August 2016
July 2016
June 2016
May 2016
April 2016
March 2016
February 2016
January 2016
December 2015
November 2015
October 2015
September 2015
August 2015
July 2015
June 2015
May 2015
April 2015
March 2015
February 2015
January 2015
December 2014
November 2014
October 2014
September 2014
August 2014
July 2014
June 2014
May 2014
April 2014
March 2014
February 2014
January 2014
December 2013
November 2013
October 2013
September 2013
August 2013
July 2013
June 2013
May 2013
April 2013
March 2013
February 2013
January 2013
December 2012
November 2012
October 2012
September 2012
August 2012
July 2012
June 2012
May 2012
April 2012
March 2012
February 2012
January 2012
December 2011
November 2011
October 2011
September 2011
August 2011
July 2011
June 2011
May 2011
April 2011
March 2011
February 2011
January 2011
December 2010
November 2010
October 2010
September 2010
August 2010
July 2010
June 2010
May 2010
April 2010
March 2010
February 2010
January 2010
December 2009
November 2009
October 2009
September 2009
August 2009
July 2009
June 2009
May 2009
April 2009
March 2009
February 2009
January 2009
December 2008
November 2008
October 2008
September 2008
August 2008
July 2008
June 2008
May 2008
April 2008
March 2008
February 2008
January 2008
December 2007
November 2007
October 2007
September 2007
August 2007
July 2007
June 2007
May 2007
April 2007
March 2007
February 2007
January 2007
December 2006
November 2006
October 2006
September 2006
August 2006
July 2006
June 2006
May 2006
April 2006
March 2006
February 2006
January 2006
December 2005
April 2005
March 2005
February 2005
January 2005
December 2004
November 2004
October 2004

Blog*Spot Archives
November 2005
October 2005
September 2005
August 2005
July 2005
June 2005
May 2005

Syndication

RSS Feed 2.0
Comments RSS 2.0




Hosted by MCS SUBSCRIBE to Capitol Fax Advertise Here Mobile Version Contact Rich Miller