Cognitive dissonance
Friday, Jan 8, 2021 - Posted by Rich Miller
* WICS TV yesterday…
Four Springfield residents traveled more than 787 miles from one capital city to another for a protest that turned into a breach of the U.S. Capitol.
Sarah Smith says she wanted to take it all in firsthand.
The group arrived in Washington, D.C. at 8 a.m. on Wednesday, Jan. 6.
“We met many people from different backgrounds to different states — I’m talking from Alaska to California,” Smith said.
Jake Carroll’s view showed him a glimpse of what he thinks people want in the future.
“Multiple races, ethnicities, people of color there, standing shoulder to shoulder to be heard, wanting the government to hear them that we can no longer stand divided, that we have to come together as a country,” Carroll said.
They make it sound like wholesome, all-American fun for the entire family.
Sheesh.
* Also WICS yesterday…
The Illinois General Assembly’s lame duck session begins on Friday in Springfield.
However, riots at state capitols around the country on Wednesday have some lawmakers feeling uneasy.
After pro-Trump insurrectionists breached the U.S. Capitol, statehouses across the country are stepping up security.
In Illinois, lawmakers are set to return for a lame duck session on Friday, Jan. 8, after over 200 days away.
“We’re not going to be intimidated,” Rep. Tim Butler, R-Springfield, said. “We’re not going to allow these thugs to overturn our government and create some sort of coup across the United States.”
* Related…
* Men who joined in violently storming the US Capitol describe a carnival atmosphere inside: Adams, 39, and his friend Roy Franklin, 65, said they had traveled from Springfield, Illinois … Franklin concluded that the day had been “fun.”
* Riots in Congress bring state Capitol security concerns into focus: The Illinois State Police has increased security around the state Capitol and the Bank of Springfield Center, at Gov. JB Pritzker’s request, and will be coordinating efforts with the Secretary of State police and the Springfield Police Department, an ISP spokesperson wrote in an emailed statement Thursday.
- Steve Rogers - Friday, Jan 8, 21 @ 11:31 am:
WICS is a Sinclair station, so I’m not surprised by the picnic on the mall picture. Oh, and I don’t recall seeing any people of color breaking into the capitol.
- Stormsw7706 - Friday, Jan 8, 21 @ 11:31 am:
So Thomas Adam’s and Roy Franklin disrupted democracy and were part of a mob action that resulted in the death of an officer as part of “ good fun”. Charges should definitely be brought. Oh, whoops. Forgot they were white guys. My bad.
- Dysfunction Junction - Friday, Jan 8, 21 @ 11:32 am:
Sure, great fun. “Sorry, park’s closed. The moose outside should have told you.”
Beavis and Butthead should expect to have their phones seized soon, and their iCloud logon credentials recorded if the FBI hasn’t done so already. Nice of them to give their names. Downstate’s finest. Somebody get DeVore on the line.
- Merica - Friday, Jan 8, 21 @ 11:33 am:
Thank you Tim Butler. That means a lot to me and my family. Best comment I have heard from Springfield pols.
- bogey golfer - Friday, Jan 8, 21 @ 11:34 am:
Have to say the attendees have been very upfront in stating names and hometowns. Makes the FBI’s job much easier.
- Oswego Willy - Friday, Jan 8, 21 @ 11:37 am:
Who would’ve thought insurrection could be considered so trivially… “fun”
It’s sickening how warped the impression of our nation is to those who claim to be “patriots”
- Candy Dogood - Friday, Jan 8, 21 @ 11:38 am:
I would hesitate to speculate on how Lincoln would feel about shooting people forcibly entering secured areas of the Capitol (In Springfield or DC) while carrying Confederate flags — but I believe his opinion would have been strongly influenced due to his murder as a part of a coup attempt by a Confederate sympathizer who was also just expecting the whole nation to just be cool with it.
So many of the events on Wednesday were disheartening, but seeing how few of the actively violent members of the mob who were actively confronting uniformed officers were being apprehended at the time was discouraging.
I am certain many of the readers of this blog have had friends or have been arrested themselves during a non-violent protest at the United States Capitol, so it is quite alarming for the dust to settle on the United States Capitol without hundreds of people in custody.
- Stormsw7706 - Friday, Jan 8, 21 @ 11:38 am:
Please keep readers updated on the good times Thomas and Roy. Possibly the dumbest criminals among the mob. Please, please FBI track them down, seize their phones, fine them, give em time and put and end to their “ fun”.
- G'Kar - Friday, Jan 8, 21 @ 11:40 am:
I hope Franklin and Adams continue to think it was “fun” when Federal agents with arrest warrants knock on their doors.
- Jocko - Friday, Jan 8, 21 @ 11:41 am:
Smith and Carroll sound like very fine people.
For anyone interested, the FBI is offering a reward of up to $1000 for each of them.
- Pot calling kettle - Friday, Jan 8, 21 @ 11:41 am:
==Have to say the attendees have been very upfront in stating names and hometowns. Makes the FBI’s job much easier.==
They do not see anything wrong with what they did and do not expect to experience any negative consequences for their actions. After all, they were following the direction of the President and were encouraged by a significant number of people in positions of authority.
- Norseman - Friday, Jan 8, 21 @ 11:41 am:
Rep. Butler, now talk to your GOP colleagues about not using the same hateful and false rhetoric that incites these thugs.
- 1st Ward - Friday, Jan 8, 21 @ 11:45 am:
Former klansman went to the Georgia State Capital looking for the SOS. Banned word.
https://www.bloombergquint.com/onweb/ex-klan-member-just-misses-visit-with-georgia-secretary-of-state
- James the Intolerant - Friday, Jan 8, 21 @ 11:47 am:
Once the police got reinforcements everyone in the Capitol building should’ve been arrested. “youse wouldn’t leave, now you can’t leave.”
It is really disturbing that from watching it looked like the police stood down.
- Ducky LaMoore - Friday, Jan 8, 21 @ 11:48 am:
A wholesome, family-friendly bloody coup. I’m so glad I can mark the “we is integrated” square on my fascist bingo card. Thanks Sarah.
- vole - Friday, Jan 8, 21 @ 11:49 am:
Next: tour bus to Tulsa for lessons in logic.
- Rich Miller - Friday, Jan 8, 21 @ 11:51 am:
===now talk to your GOP colleagues===
Pretty sure he sits next to Rep. Miller.
- Glengarry - Friday, Jan 8, 21 @ 11:55 am:
When I recently read large numbers of people in the terror mob wanted to execute, Mike Pence, a sitting Vice-President, this lazy take on these domestic terrorists is truly disingenuous and sad.
- LakeCo - Friday, Jan 8, 21 @ 11:55 am:
=“We’re not going to be intimidated,” Rep. Tim Butler, R-Springfield, said. “We’re not going to allow the Republican base to overturn our government and create some sort of coup across the United States.”=
Fixed it for you.
- PublicServant - Friday, Jan 8, 21 @ 12:04 pm:
These two goofs are safe. DeVore is on the case. /s
- ddp76 - Friday, Jan 8, 21 @ 12:06 pm:
I know there’s a lot of work to be done, but I really want to start seeing mug shots, charges and background information on these people.
- theCardinal - Friday, Jan 8, 21 @ 12:13 pm:
As Forrest Gump said “stupid is as stupid does” Guessing dumb and dumber will get a visit that won’t be so fun all in all.
- Happy thought - Friday, Jan 8, 21 @ 12:14 pm:
Our current president that is only able to get loans from foreign companies and now mentally losing it over his loss is going to more than likely leave the country once lawsuits and criminal action will start tapping him on the shoulder and he is taking state secrets with him to the highest bidder.
Your vote matters and it needs to be taken serioulsy and the consequences considered.
- DC riots - Friday, Jan 8, 21 @ 12:17 pm:
The riot was orchestrated to destroy the electoral ballots before they could be counted…
- @misterjayem - Friday, Jan 8, 21 @ 12:23 pm:
“We met many people from different backgrounds to different states — I’m talking from Alaska to California”
There are literally two states between Alaska and California.
– MrJM
- Jibba - Friday, Jan 8, 21 @ 12:30 pm:
It is amazing to me that all of these people knew they were there to stop the counting of the electors, yet they are so deep into their own reality that most seem unaware that it constituted a coup against democracy. Can’t wait for the federal charges, especially for those who made it inside the Capitol.
- Publius - Friday, Jan 8, 21 @ 12:32 pm:
Soon enough they will be having a nice picnic at the work camp at the Marion Federal Penitentiary.
- PublicServant - Friday, Jan 8, 21 @ 12:33 pm:
=== “We met many people from different backgrounds to different states — I’m talking from Alaska to California”
There are literally two states between Alaska and California.
– MrJM
===
Also, Kelsey’s Swamp. Or is it Kelsey’s Ocean?
- Oswego Willy - Friday, Jan 8, 21 @ 12:37 pm:
- Jibba -
Think on this;
To be blinded with anger so much, and that anger is based on a lie, and *with* the lie… and *with* the anger… and be blinded… the insurrectionists were able to try a coup of the United States… and people *still* are unaware?
Nope.
The traitors sold to themselves an idea of “fun”, but it was meant to be an attack on democracy, that the President of the United States began with “were heading to the Capitol”
We had people here, hometown of Springfield, traveling and seemingly excited.
My stomach churns.
- Stormsw7706 - Friday, Jan 8, 21 @ 12:38 pm:
Iso Thomas and Roy can you please share with everyone the funnest parts of your Washington adventure. Based on your comments you were at the front of the line pushing into the Capitol. Was it smashing the windows, trashing the offices, stealing the documents, terrorizing lawmakers, running over the police, or just knowing you were part of a crowd that smashed an officers head in with a fire extinguisher? The crowing of these dudes just is galling
- West Side the Best Side - Friday, Jan 8, 21 @ 12:44 pm:
Won’t it be fun to hear from their boss the words of their Beloved Leader, “You’re fired”. Or, “You’re under arrest, but here’s the good news, you don’t have to have to consider your Miranda rights since a custodial interrogation isn’t needed to prove the case because you put all the elements of the offense on the internet yourself.”
- thisjustinagain - Friday, Jan 8, 21 @ 12:46 pm:
Those who rioted, looted, or attacked anyone at the Capitol need to be arrested, tried, and if found guilty after full due process, sentenced to lengthy prison terms. Those who did not, who peacefully expressed their grievances (real or not), should be left alone. We must remember that the vast majority of the protestors were peaceful.
- JoanP - Friday, Jan 8, 21 @ 12:51 pm:
=the attendees have been very upfront in stating names and hometowns=
Not to mention posting selfies. Very helpful in identifying them.
- Jibba - Friday, Jan 8, 21 @ 12:52 pm:
OW…indeed, and I am disgusted. That quote above:
“… that we can no longer stand divided, that we have to come together as a country…”
What do they think that means when they try to stop a democratic handover of power? They clearly mean that unity comes when they triumph over their enemies, not when we come together as Americans. There can be no America or democracy if you define the other side as illegitimate. They have left America already, and they see it as just another day for a picnic.
- JS Mill - Friday, Jan 8, 21 @ 1:01 pm:
=We must remember that the vast majority of the protestors were peaceful.=
Given the size of the crowd from the beginning, it looked to me like the vast majority participated in the attack.
Those who didn’t should not be published, but they need to consider with whom they have been associating.
- Xeno - Friday, Jan 8, 21 @ 1:02 pm:
I don’t know if these two are part of a bus load that left Springfield on Tuesday ($149 per rider). Should be easy to get the driver’ manifest and identify others.
- Arock - Friday, Jan 8, 21 @ 1:03 pm:
I take it Adams and Franklin will be pleading guilty and save us the expense of a jury trial. They can join the ranks of stupid criminals that post pictures and videos of their crimes on social media. And then top it off by being quoted in news articles detailing their criminal activities.
- Steve Polite - Friday, Jan 8, 21 @ 1:03 pm:
Aren’t all these Seditionists also guilty of Felony Murder?
https://blogs.findlaw.com/blotter/2013/03/what-is-the-felony-murder-rule.html
- Oswego Willy - Friday, Jan 8, 21 @ 1:05 pm:
=== =We must remember that the vast majority of the protestors were peaceful.===
When they crossed the existing barriers to come upon the Capitol, that is not peaceful, otherwise the ushering out of the VP, VP-Elect , Speaker of the House wouldn’t have been necessary.
Once those barriers were crossed, the complicity existed.
The Springfield participants, if they were on the grounds of the Capitol…
- Steve Polite - Friday, Jan 8, 21 @ 1:14 pm:
Franklin concluded that the day had been “fun.”
He was in the Capitol committing criminal activity, criminal trespass, sedition, rebellion, etc: people died, and he says it was fun.
- Steve Rogers - Friday, Jan 8, 21 @ 1:28 pm:
==We must remember that the vast majority of the protestors were peaceful.==
Ahh, so there were good people on both sides of the barricades.
- Lincoln Lad - Friday, Jan 8, 21 @ 1:29 pm:
It amazes me that so many of these seditionists have no idea what they’ve done to themselves. The magnitude of the potential charges - yet they act like they were jaywalking.
- Last Bull Moose - Friday, Jan 8, 21 @ 2:43 pm:
I see a distinction between those who crossed the barriers and those who did not. Those who broke into the Capitol are in the most trouble.
In my student days many marched against the war, only a few burned libraries.
- IllinoisBoi - Friday, Jan 8, 21 @ 5:47 pm:
Tom and Roy’s Seditious Adventure
- Broderick Woodington - Thursday, Jan 14, 21 @ 10:39 am:
I am asking for my mother. She doesn’t necessarily want to make money off them, her purpose is to use her blog (once popular) and use it as references to possibly help her get a newspaper article. She has a title for one called “Answers to Life’s Problems”. Where can she post blogs and they become popular? She posted it already on WordPress but there are 3 million people posting blogs hers gets lost in the mix. Any suggestions?.