65 Comments - Anon E Moose - Monday, Feb 1, 21 @ 2:17 pm: This should end well - illinifan - Monday, Feb 1, 21 @ 2:19 pm: Maybe guns are being bought out of fear of so many delusional people like. Greg. - Annoin' - Monday, Feb 1, 21 @ 2:21 pm: Seems like no matter who wins gun sales are always up. Where do the 2A whack job put all this stuff - BilboSwaggins - Monday, Feb 1, 21 @ 2:23 pm: That escalated quickly from “Wow people are buying a whole lotta guns” to “It must be because of the belligerently stupid things I believe.” - Roadrager - Monday, Feb 1, 21 @ 2:23 pm: Well, he knows what his most effective sales pitch is. - Oswego Willy - Monday, Feb 1, 21 @ 2:24 pm: === He blames the news media for not covering the “stolen election,” accusing the Chicago Sun-Times specifically of being a “liberal” outlet.=== If you think the election was stolen… you’re the one ruining the county. Purchasing guns due to lies folks believe, that’s on the insurrectionists and those inciting them, like the former President. - Bruce( no not him) - Monday, Feb 1, 21 @ 2:25 pm: It is amazing how the truly lunatics among us always get interviewed. How come normal people aren’t interviewed? - NIU Grad - Monday, Feb 1, 21 @ 2:25 pm: You would not believe how many Trumpers I hear from in the suburbs who fear Antifa violently taking over their quiet little neighborhoods… - west wing - Monday, Feb 1, 21 @ 2:27 pm: One reason Trump got 75 millions votes. The massive red advantage on social media and some TV outlets that fills the precincts full of misinformation and fear. This is all part of the deep challenges facing America. If Democrats are smart, they’ll figure out a way to reach these voters with policies and a message of economic opportunity to help break through. - Ducky LaMoore - Monday, Feb 1, 21 @ 2:28 pm: Pretty much all gun sales that aren’t for game hunting or for historical significance are out of “straight up fear.” The NRA has made gun shops and gun makers millions and millions of dollars out of fearmongering. So while this dude ain’t wrong necessarily, buying guns out of fear has been going on forever. It’s just “straight up” delusional instead of somewhat delusional. - 47th Ward - Monday, Feb 1, 21 @ 2:32 pm: The only thing we have to fear is fear itself. And crazy people arming themselves against the government. - The Way I See It - Monday, Feb 1, 21 @ 2:32 pm: The sickening part if all this us that a good number if those right wing news outlets know what this truth is and are abandoning it in favor of the cash grab. - Data Dealer - Monday, Feb 1, 21 @ 2:33 pm: * Where do the 2A whack job put all this stuff * Same place you put your Birkenstocks, in the closet. - Too cute by half - Monday, Feb 1, 21 @ 2:34 pm: Agreed with @Annonin’ at 2:21 pm. Mass shooting = high gun sales Impotent talks of gun reforms = higher gun sales Republicans winning office = higher gun sales Republicans losing office = higher gun sales. These fear mongers found a greater scam than those GME redditors, except it’s everyday people who get hurt by their graft. - Club J - Monday, Feb 1, 21 @ 2:36 pm: This sounds like something right out of the Center Square. - Token - Monday, Feb 1, 21 @ 2:38 pm: As a conservative and a gun owner, I assure you we aren’t all this way. - @misterjayem - Monday, Feb 1, 21 @ 2:39 pm: When I was a kid, we had a word for people who were this driven by fear — we called them “cowards.” – MrJM - Responsa - Monday, Feb 1, 21 @ 2:44 pm: I think the carjackings in Chicago and the suburbs and the smash and grabs might have more to do with recent increased gun sales than the incursion at the far away U.S. Capitol. - Private - Monday, Feb 1, 21 @ 2:50 pm: With a shooting every 3 hours in Chicago, and Jussie Smollet’s attackers still running loose, I can hardly blame them. - Scott Fawell's Cellmate - Monday, Feb 1, 21 @ 2:51 pm: On Wednesday, Homeland Security issued a national terrorism bulletin because “[i]nformation suggests that some ideologically-motivated violent extremists with objections to the exercise of governmental authority and the presidential transition, as well as other perceived grievances fueled by false narratives, could continue to mobilize to incite or commit violence.” https://www.dhs.gov/ntas/advisory/national-terrorism-advisory-system-bulletin-january-27-2021 And how does federal law enforcement say you can help ? “Your choice can make a difference. Choose non-violent ways to make your voice heard and support friends and family in doing the same. Communities are strongest when they are not divided: Strengthen your community by standing together against violence.” Nothing in this national terrorism alert about going out to buy more and more and bigger and bigger guns. Everything about standing together against violence and supporting all voices. We can do this, folks. Everyone. Together. - Elmer Keith - Monday, Feb 1, 21 @ 2:52 pm: “You shouldn’t have done that because a lot of people have had enough of that crap. And you’re gonna see a big backlash coming soon if you haven’t already.” Threats are a typical aspect of the lower class loudmouths who work/hang out at most gun shops. Usually they sport the unshaven stubble, beard, Larry the Cable Guy look, like former NRA lobbyist Todd Vandermyde at the hearings for Brandon Phelps’ concealed carry bill. Luckily gun owners who actually care about civil rights and the Constitution are a bit safer nowdays in Illinois. Todd Vandermyde can’t sell them out, because NRA fired him, and NRA is going bankrupt. Good riddance. - Jocko - Monday, Feb 1, 21 @ 2:52 pm: ==We’re back not trusting our government.== …and rather than join local or state politics to be part of the solution, I’ll just brandish my gun and spout right wing talking points. - Private - Monday, Feb 1, 21 @ 2:56 pm: With “Defund the police” my neighbors now want a social worker to interact with the drug addict trying to break into my house. If given the choice between the social worker’s efforts and some self-protection, I’ll opt for the latter. - Oswego Willy - Monday, Feb 1, 21 @ 3:01 pm: === the drug addict trying to break into my house.=== Were you held hostage? Was there a need to talk to the offender? Was there a standoff I hadn’t heard, a domestic conflict, anything like that? No? Yeah, simple silly stuff isn’t making a point, mouth breathing notwithstanding. - RNUG - Monday, Feb 1, 21 @ 3:02 pm: == Same place you put your Birkenstocks, in the closet. == Hopefully, they will be responsible and put in a gun safe or equivalent storage. - TheUpperRoom - Monday, Feb 1, 21 @ 3:03 pm: This is why we are so divided. How on earth do you even find a starting point with these people? We have to agree on simple facts to have any foundation of debate. - RNUG - Monday, Feb 1, 21 @ 3:07 pm: == and NRA is going bankrupt. == The NRA filed for bankruptcy but they aren’t bankrupt or even ose. Their reorganization filing clearly stated they have adequate resources to pay 100% of current debts. It’s more like when corporate America used bankruptcy to protect themselves from potential future issues, dump liabilities they could have paid, or just to improve profits. - I’m your huckleberry - Monday, Feb 1, 21 @ 3:08 pm: * find a starting point with these people * I think both sides could say this and be correct. - Oswego Willy - Monday, Feb 1, 21 @ 3:09 pm: === both sides=== Facts don’t have “both sides” That’s why Kellyanne Conway created “alternative facts” - illinifan - Monday, Feb 1, 21 @ 3:09 pm: Private, many local police departments had social workers on staff but many of these positions were eliminated due to budget cuts. The SW often helped to handle suicide attempts, mental health crisis, community conflict etc. If an armed robbery etc. the police would handle. I think our police department dispatchers are smart enough to know the difference. If in doubt (such as domestic violence) a social worker would ride along with police and assist when appropriate. This is what “defund” is about. Not defunding, but rather ensuring the funds are effectively used to hire people who are skilled in defusing situations. - RNUG - Monday, Feb 1, 21 @ 3:10 pm: Haven’t felt the need to rush out and buy another firearm. - Frank talks - Monday, Feb 1, 21 @ 3:11 pm: Gun dealers and manufacturers love when Dems are President. Sales peaked under Barack they slumped under Trump now spiking again under Biden. All with the fear factor of the Dems are going to take your guns so stock up. - Dotnonymous - Monday, Feb 1, 21 @ 3:12 pm: Dwelling on fear makes one fearful. - Froganon - Monday, Feb 1, 21 @ 3:15 pm: -The only thing we have to fear is fear itself. And crazy people coming after the rest of us. Fixed it. These folks have failed to persuade the majority of us that their ideology and practices work. They can’t prevail without guns/violence. - Dotnonymous - Monday, Feb 1, 21 @ 3:20 pm: I’m going out to patrol my neighborhood for those who oppose fascism because…why is it again? - Donnie Elgin - Monday, Feb 1, 21 @ 3:21 pm: =Private, many local police departments had social workers on staff but many of these positions were eliminated due to budget cuts= I see just the opposite - there have been dozens of “708 mental health boards” - established and given tax levy authority over the past few years. In DuPage/Kane counties many of them pay for on-call 24-hour social workers that can be dispatched along with police in mental health situations. “708” boards governed by the Illinois Community Mental Health Act http://acmhai.org/who-we-are/ - I’m your huckleberry - Monday, Feb 1, 21 @ 3:22 pm: Well OW, there are extremists on both sides of the gun debate. Every session, or at least every normal session, dems throw their anti gun wish list at the wall to see what sticks. The typical gun owner just wants to be left in peace. - Demoralized - Monday, Feb 1, 21 @ 3:29 pm: ==The typical gun owner just wants to be left in peace== Then push back against whack jobs like this guy. That’s what “typical” gun owners should do. - Grandson of Man - Monday, Feb 1, 21 @ 3:31 pm: Paranoia-driven gun sales are nothing new and saw a spike when many imagined a Black Kenyan Muslim socialist was going to take their guns, even though no such person existed. - Commisar Gritty - Monday, Feb 1, 21 @ 3:42 pm: @I’m your huckleberry Dems throw a wishlist but pass nothing because the gun lobby and their Republican friends in DC block literally every attempt at common sense gun reform. That leaves it to the states to pass piece-meal reforms which are essentially unenforceable when you consider that any gun dealer on the Indiana border basically has an all you can shoot gun buffet. It’s not that gun laws don’t work, it’s that they’re not being allowed to work because loonies next door love to profit from death and destruction. At the very least, they could pass some form of straw purchasing ban, but I’m guessing that will get blocked in the IN state house. - Oswego Willy - Monday, Feb 1, 21 @ 3:52 pm: === The typical gun owner=== Then as a typical gun owner, I’m guessing you’re strongly against the phony “stop the steal”, insurrection, and you trust your government? Correct? - I’m your huckleberry - Monday, Feb 1, 21 @ 3:58 pm: * straw purchasing ban,* You’re joking right? That is already a federal crime. That is just another example of why people of a certain political ideology can’t be trusted on the gun debate, they know nothing about guns or current gun laws. All they know is it’s noisy and scary and therefore must be banned. - Oswego Willy - Monday, Feb 1, 21 @ 3:59 pm: === All they know is it’s noisy and scary and therefore must be banned.=== Really? Who said that? - Demoralized - Monday, Feb 1, 21 @ 4:01 pm: Well he is calling himself a huckleberry OW, so there’s that. - Demoralized - Monday, Feb 1, 21 @ 4:03 pm: ==there are extremists on both sides== Yeah, and I’m sure this yahoo is a “good person” right? If you can’t condemn the guy then that says a lot about you. - Oswego Willy - Monday, Feb 1, 21 @ 4:06 pm: === Well he is calling himself a huckleberry=== You have me there. The victimhood here… ugh. If you can’t say the election wasn’t stolen, show anger towards the insurrection, let alone the easier flat out condemn it, I guess people who disagree only feel guns are … what was it… ===… it’s noisy and scary and therefore must be banned.=== There’s no both sides to that. - Last Bull Moose - Monday, Feb 1, 21 @ 4:23 pm: The only good news is that most of the sales will go to existing gun owners. I don’t see a guy with two AR-15’s as twice as dangerous as a guy with one. I do fear that the combination of Trump’s Big Lie, the social isolation from the pandemic, and greater internet use by the disaffected is creating a toxic and violent brew. - Stix Hix - Monday, Feb 1, 21 @ 4:27 pm: ==Hopefully, they will be responsible and put in a gun safe or equivalent storage.== I like that idea. It might cut down on suicides of their teenage sons, you know, the ones who are despondent over the loss of their girlfriend. - Donnie Elgin - Monday, Feb 1, 21 @ 4:31 pm: =The only good news is that most of the sales will go to existing gun owners= Industry data from retailers… Not only has this year seen firearms bought in record numbers, but there are also nearly 7 million new firearms owners, according to the NSSF data. - 96Illini - Monday, Feb 1, 21 @ 4:38 pm: Last Bull Moose- With all due respect, you are way off base. First time gun purchases are WAY up. Many anti-gunners are surprised to hear over 5 million people purchased a firearm for the 1st time in 2020. That all happened BEFORE the capitol garbage. People are concerned about increased crime, riots in many cities, defunding of PDs, etc. They are taking personal responsibility for their safety. https://newschannel9.com/news/local/tectonic-shift-as-first-time-gun-buyers-grow-to-nearly-5-million#:~:text=%E2%80%94%20Nearly%205%20million%20Americans%20purchased,never%20previously%20owned%20a%20firearm. - supplied_demand - Monday, Feb 1, 21 @ 4:40 pm: ===You’re joking right? That is already a federal crime. That is just another example of why people of a certain political ideology can’t be trusted on the gun debate, they know nothing about guns or current gun laws. All they know is it’s noisy and scary and therefore must be banned.=== It’s a Federal crime except for all the loopholes that currently exist. The gun-show loophole comes up all the time, sites like armslist are another loophole, gifting of guns is another loophole, and on and on. Trying to make everything a semantic debate of what is an “automatic” weapon or what is a “straw purchase” is only effect in muddying the waters and eliminating common ground. Perhaps that is your goal? - We've never had one before - Monday, Feb 1, 21 @ 4:44 pm: >>>> If Democrats are smart, they’ll figure out a way to reach these voters with policies and a message of economic opportunity to help break through. I know a way, but I don’t think it would be well received by Democrats. - Oswego Willy - Monday, Feb 1, 21 @ 4:48 pm: === I know a way, but I don’t think it would be well received by Democrats.=== Don’t hide your light under a bushel… - Cornfield Geek - Monday, Feb 1, 21 @ 4:53 pm: Supplied, loopholes smoopholes. Gun show loophole, doesn’t exist. Internet purchases must go though an FFL and a background check. Gifting? None of your business. Semantics matter, because details matter. If you are complaining about the details, what are you trying to hide? - AlfondoGonz - Monday, Feb 1, 21 @ 4:54 pm: Will any of our 2nd Amendment people admit this guy is a bad spokesperson? - Shytown - Monday, Feb 1, 21 @ 5:09 pm: More of the same from the white male, right wing establishment who wants to protect the status quo that oppresses women and people of color in order to protect the foundation of white supremacy that this country was founded on. They fail to understand that our democracy should benefit all, not some, and they are afraid of what it will mean when others have full equality, falsely believing that would somehow take away their livelihood. This guy was probably raised by someone who felt the same way, in a community that felt the same way. How do we reach people to break this vicious cycle of racism that breeds this kind of individual? - Cornfield Geek - Monday, Feb 1, 21 @ 5:16 pm: Of course he’s a bad spokesman, and likely chosen by the sun times for that very reason, to look as outrageous as possible. - Commisar Gritty - Monday, Feb 1, 21 @ 5:33 pm: To say strawpurchasing is illegal while there are 4 gun shops located within a 10 minute drive of the IL/IN boarder by 90/94 corridor alone is what we call a bad faith argument. - Commisar Gritty - Monday, Feb 1, 21 @ 5:35 pm: The most dense cluster of gun shops in the state of Indiana is the one I just described. You can google this with 3 seconds of effort. So don’t talk to me about loop holes being closed, it’s their entire business model. - Mama - Monday, Feb 1, 21 @ 6:26 pm: OW wins the post of the day, “Don’t hide your light under a bushel… “ - supplied_demand - Monday, Feb 1, 21 @ 8:28 pm: Cornfield, if the loopholes didn’t exist then people wouldn’t be arguing against universal background checks. The discussion itself is prof that sales happen without background checks, which is the entire point. - Confused - Tuesday, Feb 2, 21 @ 6:58 am: Commisar Grity did you even read your statement? “To say strawpurchasing is illegal while there are 4 gun shops located ” I’m guessing you have no clue about gun laws or even what a straw purchase is. If I attempt to follow your logic, drinking and driving isn’t illegal because people drink and drive and there are three bars located close to one another? Maybe you can enlighten us more on this logic that you are using. - Bob - Tuesday, Feb 2, 21 @ 8:05 am: If Indiana gunstores are Chicago’s problem, why doesn’t Indiana have the rediculous levels of gun problems Illinois does? - Jocko - Tuesday, Feb 2, 21 @ 9:17 am: ==why doesn’t Indiana have the ridiculous levels of gun problems== You DO know that Gary, Indiana’s murder rate is double that of Chicago, right? - supplied_demand - Tuesday, Feb 2, 21 @ 9:21 am: === why doesn’t Indiana have the rediculous levels of gun problems Illinois does?=== Good point, except that Indiana’s gun violence is even higher than Illinois. Is your news not reporting these facts or did you just wrongly assume? https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/sosmap/firearm_mortality/firearm.htm Sorry, comments for this post are now closed.