* Tribune…
The Illinois House gave final approval Wednesday to a proposal asking voters to enshrine a “fundamental right” to unionism and collective bargaining in the state constitution, a Democratic slap at departed anti-union GOP Gov. Bruce Rauner and a move that could boost labor turnout for the party in next year’s midterm elections.
The proposed constitutional amendment, to be placed on the Nov. 8, 2022, ballot, was approved in the House on an 80-30 vote, with nine Republicans joining Democrats in supporting the change. […]
Under the proposal, employees would have a “fundamental right to organize and bargain collectively” over wages, hours, working and safety conditions, and their economic welfare. It would ban any law or local ordinance that interferes with or diminishes the right to collectively bargain.
It also would effectively ban “right-to-work” laws or ordinances that prohibit employer-labor union agreements that require union membership as a condition of employment.
* Sun-Times…
The amendment would also ensure the right to bargain will not be “diminished” by any future law, proponents said.
State Rep. Marcus Evans, the sponsor of the amendment, said it would not change existing Illinois law but “make permanent” the rights workers already have.
“The message to everyone across this country and across the state is that their workers want to be prioritized,” the Chicago Democrat said. […]
But state Rep. Deanne Mazzochi, R-Elmhurst, called the language of the amendment “problematic,” saying that the actual meaning of the provision might be left up to the Illinois Supreme Court.
“Once you enshrine this at the constitutional level, any change is going to be very difficult to reverse,’’ Mazzochi said. “This on its face seems like a really nice idea … but we’ll be dealing with the negative fallout of an ill thought-out constitutional provision.”
* Capitol News Illinois…
Rep. Marcus Evans, D-Chicago, the lead sponsor of the measure in the House, framed the vote as a choice between standing up for the rights of workers or the interests of business.
“Where do you stand when you look that working mother in your community in the eye, and do you want her to have collective bargaining,” he said. “Do you want her to have representation, or do you want to follow many other states as they continue a concerted effort to take away the rights of working men and women? You’ve got to make a decision.” […]
Rep. Blaine Wilhour, R-Beecher City, answered Evans’ challenge by touting his own working-class roots.
“I literally climbed off a pole barn into the General Assembly,” he said. “I represent a working class district. I support unions and non-unions. But let’s recognize, unions don’t create jobs. Special interest pandering may create campaign donations, but it doesn’t create jobs.”
* WUIS…
The International Union of Operating Engineers Local 150, an influential giant of organized labor in Illinois, has been pushing the constitutional amendment for more than a year. But Gov. JB Pritzker’s fears about the proposed amendment’s effect on his signature graduated income tax campaign promise and the COVID-19 pandemic’s halt on the General Assembly’s spring session last year prevented it from getting on the November ballot.
A majority of House Republicans voted against the proposed amendment Wednesday, warning it’s an unnecessary addition to the state’s constitution and could drive job creators away from the state.
State Rep. Andrew Chesney (R-Freeport) alleged Democrats pushed the amendment for no other reason than to appease organized labor, a major financial donor behind most of the party’s legislative races.
“This isn’t about men and women in hats slamming hammers and building stuff,” Chesney said. “These are the people right outside this door ready to send contribution checks to your campaign to get you re-elected.”
The House rollcall is here. Republicans voting in favor were Haas, Hammond, Keicher, Lewis, Luft, Marron, McCombie, Severin and Welter.
- Al - Thursday, May 27, 21 @ 6:01 am:
The RINOs have been identified?
- Oswego Willy - Thursday, May 27, 21 @ 6:26 am:
=== The R_N_s have been identified?===
At 6:01am this morning, the most ignorant comment of the day is made.
To the post,
Good on the REPUBLICANS in the House.
Illinois needs a two party system and when Rauner bought the ILGOP and the two caucuses, one thing Rauner tried to purge was friendly labor REPUBLICANS.
The only way the REPUBLICANS here in Illinois can come back (besides deciding that being in a cult is bad and leave the cult leader) is to be welcoming to those who embrace, as it was before, trade labor and the principles of supporting organized labor.
That doesn’t mean “everyone”, but as a party the REPUBLICANS see supporting labor isn’t “disqualifying” and the purity of requiring full support for Right to Work is rejected.
I’m glad it passed, I’m glad REPUBLICANS voted for it, and I hope this is another breakaway moment from Raunerism, and the moniker of Raunerites.
Thank you… Representatives… Haas, Hammond, Keicher, Lewis, Luft, Marron, McCombie, Severin and Welter.
- Really - Thursday, May 27, 21 @ 7:17 am:
Not surprisingly, our Legislature proposes fixes to non problems and won’t constitutionally fix things that are actually broken. If you are a business looking for a location, this is just another reason to avoid Illinois. Get elected and propose legislation only for those that donate to your campaign.
- PublicServant - Thursday, May 27, 21 @ 7:21 am:
Queue indigestion, outrage and bluster at IPI. Ken Griffin will not be pleased as the butler serves him his morning scone, while he watches Faux News.
- Precinct Captain - Thursday, May 27, 21 @ 7:30 am:
What would this mean for police reform?
- Just Me 2 - Thursday, May 27, 21 @ 7:51 am:
It’s nice the unions can get their piece. What about us voters that want redistricting reform or term limits? Can we get a vote on that Constitutional Amendment?
- Skeptic - Thursday, May 27, 21 @ 8:00 am:
“What about us voters that want redistricting reform or term limits?” To borrow a phrase from OW, “Get your 60 on the steps.”
- Grandson of Man - Thursday, May 27, 21 @ 8:11 am:
Thank you to Republicans who stood by working people in their districts and voted for this amendment. Hopefully these ILGOP will help turn out the vote in favor of the amendment.
Good on our state government to take the opposite stand than the neighboring states who went RTWFL. The proof is in the pudding and has been for many years: RTWFL states are overwhelmingly lower-income
- JS Mill - Thursday, May 27, 21 @ 8:18 am:
= But let’s recognize, unions don’t create jobs. Special interest pandering may create campaign donations, but it doesn’t create jobs.”=
Ken Griffin on line 1 for your Blaine, he has an atta’ boy for you.
I am ambivalent about the proposed amendment. BUt my son just accepted a very good paying union job (I am management in a different industry). So I will vote for the amendment based on that and “Because Bruce Rauner”.
- TheInvisibleMan - Thursday, May 27, 21 @ 8:20 am:
— warning it’s an unnecessary addition to the state’s constitution —
Their vote wasn’t to add this to the state constitution. Their vote was to put this question the all the voters of the state to decide this on their own.
Meaning the majority of republicans do not want to allow the residents of the state to vote on this directly.
Seeing as the republican list of yes votes is so short, it is safe to assume the rest of the republican caucus voted no or didn’t vote for this at all.
I wonder if their concern about unneeded changes to the state constitution applies to their own currently proposed bill HB0340 for local recall elections.
- Oswego Willy - Thursday, May 27, 21 @ 8:26 am:
=== “Once you enshrine this at the constitutional level, any change is going to be very difficult to reverse,’’ Mazzochi said.===
That’s the point, Representative, the whole point. Congratulations, now you get it. After Rauner, this is labor making sure the door is shut.
Also, it’s up to the voters. It’s still gotta pass.
(Tips cap to - Skeptic - and the “60” reminder)
- Al - Thursday, May 27, 21 @ 8:28 am:
Good morning Owl, where do I pick up my prize for “Most…”?
- Oswego Willy - Thursday, May 27, 21 @ 8:29 am:
=== where do I pick up my prize for “Most…”?===
Illinois Review.
:)
- OneMan - Thursday, May 27, 21 @ 8:46 am:
== and a move that could boost labor turnout for the party in next year’s midterm elections. ==
Has that ever really worked? In 2014 they put everything but Mom & Apple Pie are awesome and you still got Bruce as governor.
- JoanP - Thursday, May 27, 21 @ 8:47 am:
= I literally climbed off a pole barn into the General Assembly =
Pics or it didn’t happen.
- SaulGoodman - Thursday, May 27, 21 @ 8:56 am:
**It’s nice the unions can get their piece. What about us voters that want redistricting reform or term limits? Can we get a vote on that Constitutional Amendment?**
Sure… lets see your roll call.
- Jibba - Thursday, May 27, 21 @ 9:03 am:
I typically oppose changes to the Constitution as parochial and ephemeral (see Transportation lock box), but the disdain of Chesney and Wilhour make me want to have a second look.
- 1st Ward - Thursday, May 27, 21 @ 9:07 am:
The language seems very broad. Reminds me of Assembly Bill 5 in California which caused major issues with independent contractors and freelancers thus Prop 22 was passed by voters to exempt them. That would be my general concern on first blush.
- JS Mill - Thursday, May 27, 21 @ 9:10 am:
=**It’s nice the unions can get their piece. What about us voters that want redistricting reform or term limits? Can we get a vote on that Constitutional Amendment?**=
Just a few points of information ICYMI…
As a “voter” I never elected you to speak for me thank you very much.
Unions represent people/workers and many of them are part of that “voters” thingy you mention.
If you don’t like it, don’t be a victim and whine about it. Go vote. Or get signatures and try to get it on the ballot.
I am a voter and not a union member and I do not want term limits. I take care of term limits everytime there is an election, all on my own.
This free civics lesson is sponsored by preK-12 public education.
- someonehastosayit - Thursday, May 27, 21 @ 9:42 am:
During his first term, Blaine had a 2% voting record with AFL-CIO. But he says he’s a friend of unions. Like saying it enough times makes it true.
- Just Thoughts - Thursday, May 27, 21 @ 9:51 am:
Does this mean any proposed statutory reform to limit what police unions can bargain over will be unconstitutional? And if a bill grants them more statutory bargaining rights, it can’t be undone without a constitutional amendment? That seems…problematic.
- Norseman - Thursday, May 27, 21 @ 9:56 am:
Will a bunch of that GQP rich guy money be diverted from candidates to the campaign against this amendment? This won’t be as easy as Fair Tax. That was demagogued about taxes. We’ll see what whoppers they try here.
The amendment and the hope of kicking the Dems out of the House may make it rough for the state GQP.
Inquiry minds can’t wait to see.
- Norseman - Thursday, May 27, 21 @ 9:58 am:
* U.S. House
- Don't Bloc Me In - Thursday, May 27, 21 @ 10:20 am:
I will never mock the work ethic of the Wilhour family. Respect them for that. But, it’s time for Blaine to learn about other walks of life, where people have jobs in businesses not controlled by family. They even live in his district.
- Steve Polite - Thursday, May 27, 21 @ 10:27 am:
=unions don’t create jobs=
=RTWFL states are overwhelmingly lower-income=
=my son just accepted a very good paying union job=
Union Organizations don’t create jobs. (They do hire employees because of demand for their services though.) Neither do businesses. Consumer spending and demand creates jobs. A business or organization isn’t just going to create jobs for no reason or out of the goodness of their hearts. Businesses create jobs to meet demands for their products or services.
So I can conclude that union members, with higher incomes and more disposable income to spend by comparison, spend more money than low wage non-union workers. Therefore union members create more jobs than non-union workers.
If you pay us, we will spend it.
- Homebody - Thursday, May 27, 21 @ 10:31 am:
== Consumer spending and demand creates jobs. ==
Steve Polite made the comment I came here to make. I hate that no one pushes back on the nonsense term “job creators” more often. Jobs are a necessary expense for a corporation to be able to provide their product to a consumer. If corporations had their way, they would have the fewest number of employees possible, making the least amount of money, and the least amount of benefits. They begrudgingly employ people because it is a necessary means to an end.
- JB13 - Thursday, May 27, 21 @ 10:34 am:
– Meaning the majority of republicans do not want to allow the residents of the state to vote on this directly –
Hmmm, what an interesting concept. Going live for reaction from Messrs. Madigan, Hooker, and Kasper, and the Democratic majority on the Illinois Supreme Court…
- Rasselas - Thursday, May 27, 21 @ 10:36 am:
This was backed by the members of the Black Caucus. Did they address in debate/”legislative intent” whether this will block policing reform efforts that seek to limit the ability of police unions to block meaningful accountability? I see a problem, although I hope not.
- Lucky Pierre - Thursday, May 27, 21 @ 10:37 am:
This is Democrats spiking the football and continuing to put their special interests donors ahead of the constitutional amendments to restore faith in government their constituents demand.
- illdoc - Thursday, May 27, 21 @ 10:58 am:
but their constituents keep electing them so as far as them demanding….
- don the legend - Thursday, May 27, 21 @ 11:01 am:
=…ahead of the constitutional amendments to restore faith in government their constituents demand.
Apparently their constituents demand that the GQP be a super minority party as well.
- Oswego Willy - Thursday, May 27, 21 @ 11:06 am:
=== what an interesting concept. Going live for reaction from Messrs. Madigan, Hooker, and Kasper, and the Democratic majority on the Illinois Supreme Court…===
I have no idea what this gibberish means, but I bet it felt good typing it… whew.
===ahead of the constitutional amendments to restore faith in government their constituents demand.===
Show 71/36… show it.
Also, your ridiculousness… it could be something like what Kasich faced when a labor issue went to the voters… and lbor won… or are we going to say… “Ohio is more liberal than Illinois” for some real spit-take comedy
- mary - Thursday, May 27, 21 @ 11:07 am:
As a non-unionized working-class family, it is good that this is going to the people for a vote.
Our family will vote against it. Right to work is very important to us, as a measure of our liberty.
I believe this will go the same way as Pritzker’s ‘fair tax’ amendment vote.
- Oswego Willy - Thursday, May 27, 21 @ 11:17 am:
=== Our family will vote against it. Right to work is very important to us, as a measure of our liberty.
I believe this will go the same way as Pritzker’s ‘fair tax’ amendment vote.===
“Voting against our own self-interests, a family tradition”
- Really - Thursday, May 27, 21 @ 11:29 am:
Mary,
Fair point. Our family members will vote against it as well. The sad part is that even if this fails, like the “Fair Tax”, I still don’t think our state representatives will get it.
- Unconventionalwisdom - Thursday, May 27, 21 @ 11:33 am:
Get the full language of the proposed Constitutional amendment out there to all media outlets and do it quickly.
Let each side have at it.
Then let the voters decide.
- Excitable Boy - Thursday, May 27, 21 @ 11:37 am:
- Right to work is very important to us, as a measure of our liberty. -
Maybe you didn’t know this, but Illinois isn’t a right to work state. You’ve apparently been living under absolute tyranny and you didn’t even know it.
- Lucky Pierre - Thursday, May 27, 21 @ 11:42 am:
GQP is acceptable discourse but you can’t say Democrat party without OW’s head exploding.
Consistency is not a strong suit in the comment section lately
Strange how a fringe House member from Georgia with zero committee assignments or power is top of mind instead of the ticking time bomb in the Illinois Democratic party.
- Oswego Willy - Thursday, May 27, 21 @ 11:46 am:
=== GQP is acceptable===
According to Trumpkins, the Q movement *is* acceptable, even the chair of the ILGOP is fine with the Qs
So… there’s that.
As a Trumpkin, you are too - Lucky Pierre -… congrats.
- Oswego Willy - Thursday, May 27, 21 @ 11:47 am:
- Really -
You readily admitted to me you were voting against your self-interests.
If you forgot, lemme know, I’ll show you.
:)
- Mary - Thursday, May 27, 21 @ 11:56 am:
Excitable Boy, our right to work, as non-unionized employees, is the right to advocate for our own best interests with our employer, without union interference. Works for us.
We will vote against this amendment, as will many other working-class folks we know.
We are the ONLY ones who get to determine/define our own ’self-interests’. Same goes for you, OW.
- Steve Polite - Thursday, May 27, 21 @ 11:59 am:
=Right to work is very important to us=
That doesn’t mean what you think it means. Right to Work is a euphemism created by wealthy elite who want to create laws that force workers to accept lower wage jobs. We are fighting among ourselves for the financial benefit of the wealthy. There really is no “right to work”. If there was, we would never have high unemployment rates. People who wanted to keep working at a job could never be fired.
Even with strong and favorable labor laws, you have the “right” to not accept an employment offer in a union covered position. If an individual, in a union covered job, decides they no longer want to be in a union job, they can quit. It’s as simple as that. Nobody is forced to accept or stay in a union job. I don’t understand why people like Janus, who hate unions so much, would accept or stay in union jobs for years. Or maybe I do, because they have better wages and benefits.
- Oswego Willy - Thursday, May 27, 21 @ 12:05 pm:
=== We will vote against this amendment, as will many other working-class folks we know.
We are the ONLY ones who get to determine/define our own ’self-interests’.===
It is embarrassing that your own self interests *must* include your employer. That’s really not how self-interests work, so it’s probably why I find it comical.
What makes me flat out laugh is if you’re not in the top 3% and voted against the Fair Tax. That’s literally voting against your own self interests and I like a good laugh.
“Good luck”, you and your employer.
- JS Mill - Thursday, May 27, 21 @ 12:07 pm:
=Right to work is very important to us, as a measure of our liberty.=
It is in fact not a “liberty”. The USSC spells out our liberties and working in a union or non-union shop is not one of them.
As an originalist or contextualist or strict constructionist this is especially true.
=I still don’t think our state representatives will get it.=
=continuing to put their special interests donors ahead of the constitutional amendments to restore faith in government their constituents demand.=
Not sure what math you two are looking at but Illinois electoral math empirically says they are looking out for their constituents and they are “getting it.” The evidence would be found in the fact that the house and senate have democratic super majorities and ALL of the statewide electeds are members of the ILDP.
Indisputable really.
=This is Democrats spiking the football=
Yes, they really are. I don’t blame them one bit either given the behavior of some of the members of the GQP.
- Loop Corporate Lawyer - Thursday, May 27, 21 @ 12:15 pm:
The Taft-Hartley Act has supremacy over state constitutions and state labor law. This is good symbolic politics for an outlier state like Illinois. When you are surrounded by right to work state it’s probably not best to advertise your special position when you are competing against other states for jobs.
- Rabid - Thursday, May 27, 21 @ 12:16 pm:
You have the right to work for $7.25 an hour if you want
- Oswego Willy - Thursday, May 27, 21 @ 12:17 pm:
===When you are surrounded by right to work state it’s probably not best to advertise your special position when you are competing against other states for jobs.===
Huh.
Explain Kasich, Right to Work, and Ohio
Thanks.
- JJJJJJJJJJ - Thursday, May 27, 21 @ 12:25 pm:
What’s most disingenuous is the people who conveniently ignore that unions represent and are accountable to actual workers. When you hear “union boss” or “union lobbyist” think to yourself that this is the representative of thousands of working Illinoisans.
- JS Mill - Thursday, May 27, 21 @ 12:29 pm:
=When you are surrounded by right to work state it’s probably not best to advertise your special position when you are competing against other states for jobs.=
And yet our economy is growing faster and is bigger than all of theirs combined.
What they are competing in is to see who can pay people the least. I, for one, am happy to lose that one.
- don the legend - Thursday, May 27, 21 @ 12:36 pm:
==GQP is acceptable discourse but you can’t say Democrat party without OW’s head exploding.==
Apples to patio furniture. The “Q” replaces the “O” in Grand Old Party. It does not alter the name republican in any way as does “democrat” which alters “democratic”.
But you already know that.
- Norseman - Thursday, May 27, 21 @ 12:46 pm:
Loop Corporate Lawyer, if you’re implying the amendment is only symbolic because of federal laws, then the GQP money men don’t have to donate to the opposition campaign.
- Blue Dog - Thursday, May 27, 21 @ 1:00 pm:
Raise your hand if any of you hired non u ion tradesman to work on your house,car, business. Raise your hand if you hired a union tradesman but paid cash. None of this means anything if consumers don’t support the trades.
- Steve Polite - Thursday, May 27, 21 @ 1:02 pm:
Loop Corporate Lawyer,
The Taft-Hartley Act does not prevent states from passing strong labor laws. It only prohibits certain union practices, such as wildcat strikes and closed union shops. I haven’t read the amendment but strengthening the right to collective bargaining in and of itself does not violate federal law. I’m sure we will see the wealthy elite spending large amounts of money to defeat it.
- Lucky Pierre - Thursday, May 27, 21 @ 1:06 pm:
And yet our economy is growing faster and is bigger than all of theirs combined.
Quite a claim, care to back that up? USA Today has us at #45
45. Illinois
• 5 yr. annualized GDP growth rate through Q1 2020: +1% (16th lowest)
• 5 yr. annualized employment growth rate through June 2020: -2% (7th lowest)
• June 2020 unemployment rate: 14.6% (7th highest)
• Poverty rate: 12.1% (22nd lowest)
Only six states have a higher unemployment rate than Illinois, where 14.6% of the labor force is out of a job. Between June 2015 and June 2019, Illinois added some 66,000 jobs. Between June 2019 and June 2020, however, a period in which COVID-19 took a toll on the state’s job market, Illinois shed a staggering 645,000 jobs.
The coronavirus is only the latest struggle in a state where economic conditions have already been weak. For example, over the five years ending with the first quarter of 2020, Illinois’ economy grew by 4.9% – half the growth rate of the U.S. economy over the same period. Population growth can trigger economic growth, but there were nearly 160,000 fewer people living in Illinois in 2019 than there were in 2010.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/2020/08/27/the-states-with-the-best-and-worst-economies/113533362/
- Oswego Willy - Thursday, May 27, 21 @ 1:08 pm:
=== For example, over the five years ending with the first quarter of 2020===
You’re right, - Lucky Pierre -, Rauner was a terrible governor.
- Excitable Boy - Thursday, May 27, 21 @ 1:09 pm:
- our right to work, as non-unionized employees -
This amendment won’t change that, dummy. If your workplace decides to organize and you don’t like it, you can quit.
- Lucky Pierre - Thursday, May 27, 21 @ 1:31 pm:
Of course you would say that.
Ignore the carnival barkers like USA Today who point out the 5 quarters the current Governor served during that window before COVID and his failure to improve the Illinois business environment and unemployment debacle in our state since he took office.
- Oswego Willy - Thursday, May 27, 21 @ 1:38 pm:
=== Of course you would say that.===
No.
You did. Bruce Rauner failed. You made it a whole point.
You’re still not good at this.
- Oswego Willy - Thursday, May 27, 21 @ 1:44 pm:
=== his failure to improve the Illinois business environment and unemployment debacle in our state since he took office.===
… yet, you voted FOR Rauner and his abysmal failure you readily point out.
Heck, you should be a Pritzker voter according to these metrics.
:)
- Grandson of Man - Thursday, May 27, 21 @ 2:03 pm:
Full union states like California, Colorado, Minnesota and others did great in job growth during the 2009-2019 economic expansion. I recall California having more months of job gains maybe circa 2017, 2018, than Indiana, Michigan and other states, who had more months of job losses.
RTWFL would have passed in some form under Rauner. Rauner and other millionaires and billionaires have a message for some of the lower income communities, and POC: if you don’t vote to weaken yourselves at our expense, we ultra-rich and privileged whites won’t invest in your communities.
- Lucky Pierre - Thursday, May 27, 21 @ 2:18 pm:
Don Rickles died in 2017 OW
Slow job growth will continue to plague Illinois economy and full recovery won’t happen for 18 months according to Fitch but continue to gaslight everyone about how things are so much better in Illinois with JB as our Governor
- Skeptic - Thursday, May 27, 21 @ 2:19 pm:
“For example, over the five years ending with the first quarter of 2020″ You realize that you can prove just about any point by selecting an appropriate time span.
“the right to advocate for our own best interests with our employer” And if the employer ignores you? Switches you to the night shift? Cuts your hours or lays you off? Cuts your health insurance? Decides he doesn’t like the name “Mary”?
- Blue Dog - Thursday, May 27, 21 @ 2:19 pm:
The current governor owns.
- Oswego Willy - Thursday, May 27, 21 @ 2:21 pm:
=== Slow job growth will continue to plague Illinois economy and full recovery won’t happen for 18 months according to Fitch===
Did Fitch mention the constitution and debt and how that works?
That’s not funny, that’s a racket for the bonds
- Oswego Willy - Thursday, May 27, 21 @ 2:22 pm:
=== The current governor owns.===
If the numbers were so bad under Rauner, and if you voted for Rauner with those numbers, how exactly is that thoughtful to anything in those numbers.
That should confuse you for a while.
- Lucky Pierre - Thursday, May 27, 21 @ 2:26 pm:
You are absolutely right, you do confuse me and I am sure I’m not the only one.
- Oswego Willy - Thursday, May 27, 21 @ 2:30 pm:
=== You are absolutely right, you do confuse me===
I should hope so, Bots are of one track, simple transitive properties should confuse you. It means your programming is working.
No need for diagnostics.
You’re welcome.
- Lucky Pierre - Thursday, May 27, 21 @ 2:37 pm:
Solving the slow growth and the resulting higher unemployment and lower standard of living for so many Illinois residents is much more complicated that just passing what ever laws and constitutional amendments the union special interests demand but continue to be you
- Grandson of Man - Thursday, May 27, 21 @ 2:48 pm:
RTWFL pushers don’t want to tell the truth about why they want it, to have permanent economic and political power over workers, so they lie, saying it’s better for the economy when it isn’t. Economy includes a measure of household wealth and health. The household ain’t doing as well with lower incomes, fewer benefits and job protections. Year after year, union members earn more than their non-union counterparts in the vast majority of industries and occupations (see BLS data). RTWFL states overall have fewer people with health insurance and lower (or no) minimum wages. Texas probably has the lowest percentage insured, with Florida near the bottom also.
- Demoralized - Thursday, May 27, 21 @ 2:50 pm:
OW:
I’m assuming you engage with him just for fun. He’s really not worth the effort, though.
- Oswego Willy - Thursday, May 27, 21 @ 2:56 pm:
=== I’m assuming you engage with him just for fun.===
Yeah. The simple mind of - Lucky Pierre -
His bot programming, like his response after, reminds me of the quote in “The Hunt For Red October”
“I think when it gets confused, it kind of runs home to mama.”
… and right on cue, lol
Be well.
- Lucky Pierre - Thursday, May 27, 21 @ 3:22 pm:
Not quite so simple Grandson, why do so many non union workers keep rejecting union overtures especially in the foreign owned automotive companies?
Could it be that “confrontational, obstructionist bargaining as a success strategy is dead. Unions are here to stay only if they are interested in the welfare of their employers as well as their workers.”
But UAW efforts to organize foreign-owned auto plants in the United States have failed repeatedly, despite promises of contract protections and generally higher pay.
Average hourly wages in non-union transplants run between $23 and $25 an hour, according to the Center for Automotive Research, compared to roughly $30 an hour for so-called “legacy” employees at UAW-represented auto plants. Health-care plans and 401(k) programs are common, and bonuses are comparable to UAW-bargained profit-sharing payouts.
Honda’s manufacturing flexibility and continued investment here — it has opened two more plants in the north Columbus area as well as expanded research on autonomous vehicles — have grown a loyal workforce.
“We don’t have a problem here. Which is good because we are privileged to have a job — Honda could just shut down and move away,” said radiator-and-headlight assembly worker Neal Howard, 49, who has worked here 19 years. “There is nothing to fight about. We have a good culture here, people just want to work.”
https://www.detroitnews.com/story/business/autos/foreign/2019/09/30/hondas-marysville-ohio-auto-plant-prospers-without-union/2437268001/
- JS Mill - Thursday, May 27, 21 @ 3:31 pm:
One quote from one worker at one plant?
You think he speaks for ALL workers or just because he provides you with confirmation bias.
Rather than go back and forth with you, just remember more Illinois voters support the ILDP and their agenda by a landslide/mandate margin.
Enjoy shouting at the clouds.
- Oswego Willy - Thursday, May 27, 21 @ 3:32 pm:
- Lucky Pierre -
Huh. Ohio. Interesting.
How did Ohioans feel about Right to Work.
No need for a poll, there was a vote. Link?
http://alturl.com/rxz6x
“The Ohio Collective Bargaining Limit Repeal was on the November 8, 2011 general election ballot in the state of Ohio as a veto referendum where it was defeated.”… 61-39
I know, Ohio is far more liberal that Illinois…
- Oswego Willy - Thursday, May 27, 21 @ 3:37 pm:
I’ll finish the thought…
===Ohio voters in 2011 overwhelmingly rejected Senate Bill 5, which sought to curtail public union collective bargaining rights. Kasich has since abandoned efforts to clamp down on unions and said Ohio doesn’t need right to work to attract new businesses and add jobs.
Fellow Republican DeWine, the current state attorney general, said on the campaign trail right-to-work isn’t needed in Ohio. During a debate with Democrat Rich Cordray, DeWine said he would veto right-to-work bills that come across his desk.===
Link? Glad you asked.
https://bit.ly/3oY38h1
- Anon - Thursday, May 27, 21 @ 3:44 pm:
“I support unions and non-unions.” What the hell is a “non-union?”
- Skeptic - Thursday, May 27, 21 @ 3:56 pm:
In logic, the opposite of a union is an intersection. I’m not sure how to fit that into labor law though.
- Grandson of Man - Thursday, May 27, 21 @ 6:23 pm:
“why do so many non union workers keep rejecting union overtures especially in the foreign owned automotive companies”
Because they’re from low wage RTWFL states, Tennessee and Alabama, and give their economic power to corporate elites. These are very low income states. Illinois’ incomes are much higher, as are those in other full-union states. In RTWFL states workers apparently swallow the “job creator” line right wingers push and subordinate themselves to corporate bosses and donors of the GOP.
- Oswego Willy - Thursday, May 27, 21 @ 6:43 pm:
=== Which is good because we are privileged to have a job===
Scare enough times to folks to be afraid to unionize… you get honesty to that.
They make you feel “lucky” to have a job…
Good Republicans had organized labor support.
I know, Reagan wasn’t a Trumpkin so that statement will confuse you.
- Lucky Pierre - Thursday, May 27, 21 @ 7:07 pm:
Count your blessings you are lucky to have a job
Those that feel that way and worry about losing it do tend to perform better than the entitled ones who think the world owes them a living
- Oswego Willy - Thursday, May 27, 21 @ 7:15 pm:
=== Those that feel that way and worry about losing it do tend to perform better===
Cite please.
Also, making people fear for their jobs create dangerous workplaces as complaining means losing your job.
I know, union folks are entitled, until you need a trade done right, not redone 3-4 times.
Organized labor was born for the health, safety, and security that doing your job shouldn’t cost you your life or limb.
“Those that feel that way and worry about losing it do tend to perform better”
Sounds like Mr. Potter there - Lucky Pierre -
- Rich Miller - Thursday, May 27, 21 @ 7:16 pm:
===Those that feel that way and worry about losing it do tend to perform better ===
Yeah, and yet you wonder why people want to join unions. Make ‘em live in constant fear for their very livelihoods. You’re such a lovely person.
- Excitable Boy - Thursday, May 27, 21 @ 7:24 pm:
- entitled ones who think the world owes them a living -
Hahaha, coming from a dude that was clearly a Rauner hack. I bet you can’t change a tire you loser.