* Mike Miletich…
The Illinois State Board of Education hopes to approve a new rule that would further cement Gov. JB Pritzker’s executive order mandating that Illinois teachers, staff and school contractors be vaccinated against COVID-19 or go through weekly testing to be inside schools. […]
Under the proposal, teachers and other staff could still be exempt from getting the vaccine if they have a medical issue or strongly held religious beliefs. However, the proposed rule could allow schools to require unvaccinated staff to get tested twice per week if there is a COVID-19 outbreak. Schools could also bar staff from entering buildings if they have any COVID-19 symptoms. […]
Not all ISBE board members were happy with proposal. ISBE member Roger Eddy, a former state lawmaker and head of the Illinois Association of School Boards, said the board shouldn’t use rule-making to overrule the subject of multiple court cases.
“I think that allowing the courts, as one of the three branches of government, to weigh in on this would be a far more prudent way to proceed at this time,” Eddy said.
There was a time when Republicans opposed activist judges dictating policy rather than trying to get the policy right to begin with.
I mean, seriously, since when do members of a state board vote to abdicate their authority to slightly change some rules to the whims of judges?
* Let’s move along to this from last month…
The National School Boards Association has apologized to its members for its letter last month to President Joe Biden in which the group sought federal help in countering threats, harassment, and violence targeting school officials and said that some of the actions could be classified as “domestic terrorism” or hate crimes.
In a Friday letter to NSBA members, the group stated that while the safety of its members and schools in general was its top priority, “There was no justification for some of the language included in the letter. We should have had a better process in place to allow for consultation on a communication of this significance.”
Lots of Facebookers were sure up in arms about that.
* So, I was a bit surprised that the state’s Republican congressional delegation minus Adam Kinzinger waited until late yesterday afternoon to issue this press release…
Today, Congresswoman Mary Miller (IL-15) led a letter with members of the Illinois Congressional delegation urging the Illinois School Boards Association to withdraw from the National School Boards Association.
On September 29, 2021, the National School Boards Association (NSBA) sent a letter to the Biden Administration asking the Department of Justice (DOJ) to treat concerned parents, advocating for their children peacefully, as “domestic terrorists.”
“Parents should never be treated as domestic terrorists for showing up at school board meetings to advocate for their kids,” Miller said. “Many school boards across the country are trying to force racist Critical Race Theory, a perverted sexual education curriculum, and transgender policies that are harmful to teenage girls. We must empower the role of parents in their children’s education, and we hope that the Illinois School Boards Association will withdraw from the National School Boards Association.”
The Illinois School Boards Association (ISBA) plans to meet today and discuss their continued involvement with the National School Boards Association (NSBA).
“The FBI is still “tagging” parents they deem threatening at school board meetings,” Miller said. “I believe that Illinois parents and families should play a central role in their children’s education, not the federal government.”
Not over the top at all. Also, it’s the Illinois Association of School Boards (IASB). The full letter, which has the name right, is here. The press release was sent after the IASB meeting ended, by the way.
* I reached out early this morning to IASB Executive Director Thomas Bertrand for comment. His reply…
Hi Rich,
Thanks for your email.
On 10/20/21 I sent a message to IASB members that stated that IASB is currently not a dues paying member of NSBA. Last year the IASB Board of Directors suspended membership in NSBA (for this year) because of concerns that have persisted over time with the national organization. The IASB Board affirmed that decision yesterday at its regularly scheduled board meeting.
So, the letter was not only too late, it was unnecessary. Click here for the press release issued by the IASB.
* From that October letter…
The Illinois Association of School Boards (IASB) supports school board members in their civic duty to represent their community and provide quality educational opportunities for all students of the district. The letter to President Biden was sent without the knowledge or input from the state associations that NSBA represents. While the letter drew attention to reports of physical and verbal threats made at some publicly held school board meetings, including isolated incidents here in Illinois, the incendiary language used in it detracted from that message.
This is not the first disagreement that IASB has had with NSBA. Prior to this incident the IASB Board of Directors was evaluating its relationship with NSBA. IASB previously expressed concerns to NSBA about problems related to governance, transparency, and financial oversight. IASB suspended payment of dues to NSBA for 2021-2022, and sought to address these concerns through changes to the governance structure of the national association.
* And, in other news, here’s an op-ed by Rep. Adam Niemerg (R-Dieterich)…
In other words, the indoctrination is being implemented implicitly rather than explicitly and thanks to the actions of the Illinois State Legislature, it is only going to get worse. Illinois has embraced Culturally Responsive Teaching Standards, which encourages teachers to embrace woke ideology. Additionally, the Governor has signed Senate Bill 818, which requires schools to implement the National Sex Education Standards beginning in kindergarten. Students as young as 8 years old will now have curriculum that teaches them about masturbation and other sexually explicit material.
Add to this the willingness of the Illinois State Board of Education and the Illinois Education Association to not only go along with the Governor’s overreaching school mask mandates but to encourage these mandates, and the wokeism in our schools is inescapable.
He sure likes that word “woke.” All-purpose.
If you want to know what’s really going on with Culturally Responsive Teaching Standards, click here for a reasoned, factual piece. And SB818 does not require all schools to do anything and parents can opt their kids out.
Some people just gotta be angry all the time. I don’t get it.
...Adding… Might as well throw this one on the pile…
(The Center Square) – As a group of schools continues to get court protection against punishment from the Illinois State Board of Education, another Illinois district is gearing up for a legal fight to make masks optional. […]
In Vandalia, School Board Vice President Joe Schall said the board was unanimous this week in returning to mask optional policies starting Dec. 6. […]
“Our budget is $100,000 for our tort, so we’re going to set up a trust,” Schall said. “There will be more details to follow, but if you feel necessary, if you feel compelled to donate to the cause as our legal bills may go over our budget, you are more than welcome to do that.”
- Anonymous - Friday, Nov 19, 21 @ 9:28 am:
===Some people just gotta be angry all the time.===
That pretty much covers it.
- Bruce( no not him) - Friday, Nov 19, 21 @ 9:29 am:
First post was me. Sorry.
- Eric - Friday, Nov 19, 21 @ 9:32 am:
I encourage anyone interested to go to the ISBE’s website and view the curriculum and standards for themselves. Neither side appears to have a grasp on what is actually being taught.
- don the legend - Friday, Nov 19, 21 @ 9:37 am:
==Some people just gotta be angry all the time. I don’t get it.==
It’s all the have and unfortunately it helps them raise money and win primaries.
- Just Me 2 - Friday, Nov 19, 21 @ 9:38 am:
=== Some people just gotta be angry all the time. I don’t get it. ===
They have Foxitis, which means that watch too much FOX News which is designed to get its viewers angry and mad because that motivates them to tune in again and again.
I haven’t spoken to my father in a year because he is so angry all the time and since I work in governments FOX News has convinced him I am part of the problem. It’s actually led me to my own therapy. I feel like the father I grew up with has died. My poor mother says he watches it from the moment he wakes up until dinner, and then he spends all evening ranting about what FOX told him during the day. She is actually thinking about divorcing him because he won’t stop watching and getting angry every day.
- Oswego Willy - Friday, Nov 19, 21 @ 9:40 am:
I can’t grasp that a party that needs to be constantly angry at anything they feel attacks either race, abortion, or sexuality is being in tune with today’s America…
… maybe it does make sense that the world is passing these folks by… by being thoughtful, honest, and human to others.
It’s a bit confusing too, the want for activist judges to suppress by the same folks 18 minutes ago worries aloud about… activist judges.
The old, angry, in-law uncle vessel works in framing. The hypocrisy, the lack of awareness, and one who lacks facts so they can’t grasp what they are angry about in the first place.
The attacking of knowledge, books, education, it’s dangerous for a society to want its people less educated.
- Shark Sandwich - Friday, Nov 19, 21 @ 9:49 am:
At this point, I don’t see how they can avoid teaching Critical Race Theory as part of current events. If they don’t, uh (pardon the expression)..”teach the controversy” it’s pretty much educational malpractice.
- Henry Francis - Friday, Nov 19, 21 @ 9:49 am:
“Many school boards across the country are trying to force racist Critical Race Theory, a perverted sexual education curriculum, and transgender policies that are harmful to teenage girls.”
What about the teenage boys? Isn’t anyone thinking about them? /s
I read one of Bannon’s favorite tactics is to “flood with sh*t” - just throw so much sh*t out there to get people angry and distracted.
- train111 - Friday, Nov 19, 21 @ 9:50 am:
“Some people just gotta be angry all the time. I just don’t get it.”
We are a consumer society. News, religion, and politics can all be ’sold’ to consumers at a profit.
Nothing pushes people to ‘buy’ or ‘contribute’ more than pushing their emotional buttons. Outrage gets people to plunk down money faster than any of them.
People are angry all the time because a whole lot of peoples’ livelihoods, jobs, money depend on keeping their fellow citizens that way.
- Flyin' Elvis'-Utah Chapter - Friday, Nov 19, 21 @ 9:51 am:
Just Me 2-
I’ve got a 80+ year old father who draws a public pension, Social Security, and is on Medicare…and will gripe at the drop of the hat about “socialism”.
The man has more disposable income that at any time in his life, and all he ever is is mad.
There’s a certain generation that just don’t get it and never will.
- H-W - Friday, Nov 19, 21 @ 9:53 am:
Two thoughts: == Under the proposal, teachers and other staff could still be exempt from getting the vaccine if they have a medical issue or strongly held religious beliefs. ===
Wouldn’t this mean students (parent-led students) can also opt out of vaccines, in the context of the goose and gander?
=== Some people just gotta be angry all the time. ===
And mean-spirited. The hyper-masculinity or aggressiveness expressing itself throughout our communities is just horrible. We seem to be a Nation lost at seek, and panicked by the people in our raft. We have lost any semblance of community or compassion or caring for others. At least, such voices are being amplified today.
As a soon to be elder, what helps me keep faith is the knowledge that we used to at least respect others in public forums, and so we surely will do so in the future. I simply hate that we seem to have committed ourselves to this level of meanness for as long as we have, without “waking” from our bipolar wokeness.
- Watchful eye. - Friday, Nov 19, 21 @ 9:55 am:
The issue is parents feel out of the loop on curriculum. Angry? Maybe. But this issue put a Republican Governor in a blue state a couple weeks ago. This coupled with the parental notification overreach by the Dems will be a problem in the burbs. And did you notice the Dem legislators doing a press conference with a law and order Republican State’s Attorney in Des Plains yesterday?? Dems gong too far left
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- Rich Miller - Friday, Nov 19, 21 @ 9:58 am:
=== And did you notice===
The press release was posted here Tuesday.
- TheInvisibleMan - Friday, Nov 19, 21 @ 10:10 am:
“So, the letter was not only too late, it was unnecessary.”
That depends on what you think the purpose of the letter was.
“if you feel compelled to donate to the cause as our legal bills may go over our budget, you are more than welcome to do that.”
- Pot calling kettle - Friday, Nov 19, 21 @ 10:13 am:
From the OED: woke
/wōk/
adjective
1. alert to injustice in society, especially racism
Rep. Neimerg, what, exactly, is wrong about teaching our children to be “alert to injustice in society, especially racism”?
I would like to see this question to every politician that complains about “woke” people and ideology.
- NonAFSCMEStateEmployeeFromChatham - Friday, Nov 19, 21 @ 10:13 am:
==The Illinois State Board of Education hopes to approve a new rule that would further cement Gov. JB Pritzker’s executive order mandating that Illinois teachers, staff and school contractors be vaccinated against COVID-19 or go through weekly testing to be inside schools.==
Or better yet, fire them all and strip their benefits and pension “promises.”
- Oswego Willy - Friday, Nov 19, 21 @ 10:19 am:
===a couple weeks ago.===
A year is an eternity in politics.
Wait til abortion rights is in play in 2022
- Oswego Willy - Friday, Nov 19, 21 @ 10:26 am:
===in a blue state===
Your eye isn’t very watchful.
The past 2 of 3 legislature makeups had GOP majorities in the House, it’s state senate GOP controlled…
But don’t ruin your watchful eye thoughts with realities.
- Numbers matter - Friday, Nov 19, 21 @ 10:27 am:
Roe will be preserved and Texas nonsense shot down by June. Issue will be parental choice, not abortion,
- Numbers matter - Friday, Nov 19, 21 @ 10:31 am:
Having lived in Virginia when it was a red state I take exception to your over simplified analysis But as always I’ll keep an eye out,
- Oswego Willy - Friday, Nov 19, 21 @ 10:32 am:
=== Roe will be preserved===
Got the lottery numbers too?
The Clarence Thomas Court is 5-4, and is designed to a want to wade into Roe.
I have no idea how they will rule, but ignoring abortion as a 2022 issue is wishing.
- Jibba - Friday, Nov 19, 21 @ 10:46 am:
If I were a Vandalia resident, I’d be steamed that the school board is spending 100K of my tax dollars on a lawsuit that is motivated solely by their personal politics rather than science or even logistics, since the mask mandate is easy to comply with. But it probably plays well in Vandalia.
- H-W - Friday, Nov 19, 21 @ 10:49 am:
=== Roe will be preserved ===
Perhaps, but I believe it will be preserved in a different form. I can easily imagine this court saying (a) yes, women have a right, and (b) 15 weeks is a long-enough time.
I can easily imagine this court saying “viability” is a social construct from the 1970-era, but not a Constitutional construct.
I fear that Mississippi will prevail, and allow states to limit access to abortions further, without addressing the other hurdles that states are creating (e.g., doctor with standing, etc.).
- Annonin' - Friday, Nov 19, 21 @ 10:50 am:
All the whack job hand wringing about schools is a hoot. Too bad the media can’t dig info about how involved these whacks have been in their darlings education…guessing they would be non performers.
- Oswego Willy - Friday, Nov 19, 21 @ 10:52 am:
===Mississippi===
This is the one that could change a scope of abortion.
How PNA in Illinois, (to bring it back to IL) could be framed in 2022 will have a big element of these rulings baked in.
- Numbers matter - Friday, Nov 19, 21 @ 11:14 am:
Agree. So long as Roe is preserved it becomes less of an issue. Most voters against late term (partial birth) and dems in a bad spot defending abortion beyond viability marker. Again, the issue in Illinois will be parental notification which polls about the same as partial birth. Too far left for Illinois
- Pundent - Friday, Nov 19, 21 @ 11:19 am:
=Again, the issue in Illinois will be parental notification which polls about the same as partial birth.=
So the ILGOP is going to undertake a nuanced campaign on abortion and will ride that issue to victory? Well what are they waiting for?
- Oswego Willy - Friday, Nov 19, 21 @ 11:19 am:
=== So long as Roe is preserved===
That’s not how it will be framed, however.
Anytime abortion rights are gonna to be curtailed, that’s a threat to Roe, we’ll hear about the slippery slope, and “Republicans are dangerous to women’s health”
It’s already started, this framing.
===will be parental notification===
That’s a want, it’s not a truth.
If you ignore any curtailing of Roe as being nothing, you’re not grasping how pro-choice advocates will message that curtailing.
- Oswego Willy - Friday, Nov 19, 21 @ 11:24 am:
===Well what are they waiting for?===
This is top shelf stuff.
Nary a peep about how Republicans stood up for PNA.
Nope.
Voters don’t do nuance, but they can understand Republicans “blocking abortion”, “we don’t want to be Mississippi, Texas”
- OMG - Friday, Nov 19, 21 @ 11:38 am:
Just Me 2 and Flyin’ Elvis’-Utah Chapter
I feel like the both of you just posted my story. My old man has dialed back the Fox News in recent years, but the damage has been done. I don’t recognize the man who raised me, who has more money than ever, more guns than ever, and steadily regurgitates the rightwing rhetoric of aggrievances. We barely talk anymore.
- Oswego Willy - Friday, Nov 19, 21 @ 11:45 am:
I point to this…
=== “Come election time,” (Terry) Cosgrove (of Personal PAC) told me, “voters will completely and unmistakably understand that those who want to put the health and lives of Illinois’ young women at risk are the same people supporting the outrageous Texas law and seeking to make abortion illegal in Illinois, even in cases of rape and incest.”===
I have no idea if it’ll work, or the climate come 2022, but this will be the thought, at least in Illinois.
We’ll see.
To bring it back to the post, the social agenda, be it education, or the core curriculum, micro or macro, there is a socially angry movement going on, and education, all education, being challenged, and beliefs and passion leading the way for many.
- thoughts matter - Friday, Nov 19, 21 @ 11:54 am:
== I feel like the father I grew up with has died. My poor mother says he watches it from the moment he wakes up until dinner, and then he spends all evening ranting about what FOX told him during the day. She is actually thinking about divorcing him because he won’t stop watching and getting angry every day.==
This is so sad. It’s also an accurate picture of families and friends all over the country in the last few years. I used to laugh at the jokes about families and politics at holiday dinners. I don’t laugh any more. There are people that I thought were close that I may never see again. Their deepest thoughts are on Facebook for me to see. They aren’t very deep and they sure aren’t based in facts. Thoughts that I never dreamed they would have. Some hide their bigotry behind religion. Some just follow one leader as if he leads their religion.
Where do we go from here? I really don’t know. Could we see a repeat of the 1860s? Am I crazy to think we could?
- Nuke the Whales - Friday, Nov 19, 21 @ 11:57 am:
==There was a time when Republicans opposed activist judges dictating policy rather than trying to get the policy right to begin with.==
“We hear a lot about judicial activism when politicians are running for office and when they talk about what kind of judge they want on the court. Well, it seems that their definition of an activist judge is one who votes differently than they would like.” -Al Franken
Their issue has never been activist judges. It has been not getting their way in court decisions. A key tenant of modern day conservatism is a belief that they are above reproach. Relying on some sort of judicial monarchy to bless their legislation as court precedent is just an extension of this.
- Pot calling kettle - Friday, Nov 19, 21 @ 12:08 pm:
==If I were a Vandalia resident, I’d be steamed that the school board is spending 100K of my tax dollars on a lawsuit that is motivated solely by their personal politics rather than science or even logistics==
Keep in mind that the Tort Fund is an uncapped fund; so, they don’t need to get donations, they can pass the full cost directly on to the tax payers.
- Numbers matter - Friday, Nov 19, 21 @ 12:16 pm:
And they also understand liberal democrats telling me how to raise my kids. If Roe is preserved so is abortion. Deny parents the right have input in their children’s health care decisions or at least know will always trump a decades long debate on fetal viability. ( in a state where tattooing a minor was a class c misdemeanor) Nobody better than Terry but they overreached this time.
- Oswego Willy - Friday, Nov 19, 21 @ 12:18 pm:
=== understand liberal democrats===
They already have old, angry, white in-law uncles.
Women and abortion rights, polling… welp…
- Oswego Willy - Friday, Nov 19, 21 @ 12:20 pm:
=== Nobody better than Terry===
Or a woman?
Hmm.
- sal-says - Friday, Nov 19, 21 @ 12:20 pm:
If there was any significant discussion of public health/student&staff safety in all this, I musta missed it.
- JS Mill - Friday, Nov 19, 21 @ 12:21 pm:
Roger Eddy is a former superintendent and state rep. He served both roles at the same time which means he didn’t do either well. He is shirking his responsibility.
As for the miller letter et al- what a bunch of Buffon’s.
Vandalize should be taken over by the state.
- Oswego Willy - Friday, Nov 19, 21 @ 12:22 pm:
===Deny parents the right have input===
“Republicans want to force 12 year old children to have children. Republicans are dangerous to women’s health rights”
Unless all of a sudden these parents’ rights folks magically became pro choice?
- Pundent - Friday, Nov 19, 21 @ 12:30 pm:
=Nobody better than Terry but they overreached this time.=
So is the Republican argument we’re opposed to any expansion of abortion rights OR we’re pro choice but this is too far?
- ArchPundit - Friday, Nov 19, 21 @ 12:37 pm:
===The issue is parents feel out of the loop on curriculum. Angry? Maybe.
And yet every school district has both meetings and documents that people can access at any time. It’s almost like they don’t care about change and want to be angry.
- ArchPundit - Friday, Nov 19, 21 @ 1:00 pm:
===The FBI is still “tagging” parents they deem threatening at school board meetings,” Miller said. “I believe that Illinois parents and families should play a central role in their children’s education, not the federal government.”
The FBI is investigating people who make threats. Being a parent doesn’t mean you get to make threats of violence against elected officials. There is no suggestion or evidence the FBI is targeting anyone for disagreeing or protesting.
- Norseman - Friday, Nov 19, 21 @ 1:02 pm:
=== The outrage isn’t just over the NSBA letter. It’s the fact that the DOJ was ready to act on this. ===
Ginned up outrage by immoral politicians who misrepresent the legitimate concern about violent threats to school board members, teachers, public health professionals and parents concerned about the health of students, their families and the community.
- ArchPundit - Friday, Nov 19, 21 @ 1:33 pm:
====Coming on the heals of Loudon County School board having a parent arrested for complaining about his child being a sexual assault victim, that said school board was covering up, educational leaders have not covered themselves in glory of late.
He was arrested for disorderly conduct along with others. Oddly, you aren’t allowed to disrupt public meetings with yelling, demonstrations, using profanity, and acting threatening to board members and other parents.
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/28/opinion/loudoun-county-trans.html
“According to the local newspaper Loudoun Now, he’d been swearing loudly at another parent and leaning toward her with a clenched fist when the police tackled him and pulled him outside. He’d eventually be convicted of disorderly conduct and resisting arrest and given a suspended 10-day jail sentence.”
I think people behaving as Mr. Smith did should be arrested? Do you not? The Prosecutor also received threats.
The assault wasn’t because of transgendered bathroom policies, but an ongoing relationship where the boy just sexually assaulted the girl. There was no cover-up.
- Watchful eye. - Friday, Nov 19, 21 @ 1:44 pm:
My kid can’t get an aspirin at school without permission from
me but she can get an abortion without me even knowing. Yeah. That’s extreme and bad politics in Illinois suburbs.
- ArchPundit - Friday, Nov 19, 21 @ 1:46 pm:
====My kid can’t get an aspirin at school without permission from
Yeah, that’s not a law, it’s an issue of liability for the school district and it’s a policy. Your kid can go into a store and buy aspirin.
- Oswego Willy - Friday, Nov 19, 21 @ 1:47 pm:
=== without me even knowing===
Are you going to require your child to see a pregnancy to full term?
- Watchful eye. - Friday, Nov 19, 21 @ 1:54 pm:
That’s not what notification means. But eitherway that child is my responsibility until she is 18 so it’s my right as parent to be notified. And for those limited times that kids are in danger of parental abuse in this situation there is a remedy with a judge. Go to any collar or suburban community and 80% of the room will agree with me. Too far left
- Oswego Willy - Friday, Nov 19, 21 @ 2:00 pm:
=== That’s not what notification means===
So you’d let your 12 year old have an abortion if they would want one, or will you require the child to have a child?
- Oswego Willy - Friday, Nov 19, 21 @ 2:02 pm:
=== 80% of the room===
Cite please.
According to a recent Washington Post / ABC News poll… By about 2 to 1, Americans say Supreme should uphold Roe v. Wade, and also by about 2 to 1 public opposes a Texas law banning abortion after 6 weeks of pregnancy.
If you’re denying, then you’re denying.
- Thomas Paine - Friday, Nov 19, 21 @ 2:07 pm:
=== but she can get an abortion without me even knowing ===
If your daughter is afraid to tell you that she is pregnant, than that means your daughter is afraid of you.
Why is your daughter afraid of you, and what are you doing to try to make her unafraid?
- Numbers matter - Friday, Nov 19, 21 @ 2:18 pm:
Experience and Virginia election results. The “denying’ argument borderline childish
- Numbers matter - Friday, Nov 19, 21 @ 2:19 pm:
And advocating that 12 year olds are competent to make decisions as significant as having an abortion, without parental involvement is a loser all day long
- Jibba - Friday, Nov 19, 21 @ 2:22 pm:
===they also understand liberal democrats telling me how to raise my kids===
The really only resonates with people who aren’t voting D anyway. The middle ground you think will stampede toward you will look at all the issues before deciding, including bad craziness, abortion, covid, etc.
- Oswego Willy - Friday, Nov 19, 21 @ 2:23 pm:
===Experience===
The in-law uncle defense, lol
If you know how in a year the climate will be, get lottery tickets.
===without parental involvement===
Forcing a 12 year old, a child, to have a child is not a great argument… otherwise we’d be hearing every day from Republicans about the repeal of PNA.
The argument is Republicans are dangerous to women’s health…
- Oswego Willy - Friday, Nov 19, 21 @ 2:26 pm:
=== competent to make decisions as significant as having an abortion===
First, it’s statutory rape, second, it could be an incest situation with a minor.
Something to think about as well.
If one is a person of the exception of rape, then underage children should be something one might have problems squaring if a parent opposes the abortion.
- Pundent - Friday, Nov 19, 21 @ 2:59 pm:
=Go to any collar or suburban community and 80% of the room will agree with me. Too far left=
Given how wildly unpopular this is then isn’t it political malpractice that the ILGOP has remained silent on the topic. Unless they see something that you and the “80%” don’t here. I wonder how our last governor feels about PNA? He got tied up in all kinds of knots on HB40. Maybe there’s a lesson in that?
- ArchPundit - Friday, Nov 19, 21 @ 4:01 pm:
====And advocating that 12 year olds are competent to make decisions as significant as having an abortion, without parental involvement is a loser all day long
Research suggests that teenagers do tell their parents when they can and when they cannot it is because they are afraid because in the case of a 12 year old it is going to most likely be a parent, family member, or other close person.
Of course, for those under 15, the highest rate was about 8 per 1,000 girls and is down to less than 2 per 1,000 girls. And the decline is less than other ages (abortion has been declining for years in all age groups) because it was already so low. From 15 to 17 it is now about 5.5 out of every 1,000 girls so this is under 1 percent of underage girls have abortions. These stats include all abortions whether parents know or not and include those for those where the girl may have medical reasons for needing an abortion.
Using 12 year olds as an example is done to get a reaction out of people and you fell for it even though it is very rare. Most of the abortions under 18 are by 15-17 year olds.
Medical personnel are mandatory reporters for any abuse of minors, btw, so there is a mechanism to investigate abuse which at that age is likely to be a family member. Not allowing 12 year olds to obtain abortions is more likely to lead to the abuser not being caught in such situations because they can then stop the child from telling the truth.