Look, I knew how it was going to end and decided I didn’t need to witness it and that the leaders weren’t going to force me to stay awake all darned night, so I went home and woke up after a few hours when they finished and then posted stuff here and then had a nice lunch with some of my hippie friends, came home and napped in the afternoon and then went out for an enjoyable and QUIET dinner on the lake.
- The Opinions Bureau - Monday, Apr 11, 22 @ 8:54 am:
Nope.
- West Side the Best Side - Monday, Apr 11, 22 @ 9:08 am:
What if Bailey had showed up with a shotgun to add his bit to an informed discussion on the budget? You would have missed all that. But I guess you figured even he wouldn’t have been that crazy running statewide.
What if Bailey had showed up with a shotgun to add his bit to an informed discussion on the budget? You would have missed all that. But I guess you figured even he wouldn’t have been that crazy running statewide. - Whatever lines in the budget that were hit by the buckshot would have been where he cut the budget.
==It really is a blur. and if it stays that way, the Dems will not have the advantage they thought they would have with the public. ==
The public doesn’t pay attention to floor action, anyway. The Dems were always going to need the ads- including those they forced onto gas pumps and grocery receipts, lol- and the checks themselves to tell the public what happened.
“I doubt the public really pays that much attention to what goes on in Springfield.”
The celebrations have already broken out in our area over the emergency relief, in the form of $100-200 tax relief that the state is dispensing….in ‘late summer or early fall’. /s/
It was beyond hilarious watching Bourne, Mazzochi, McCombie and Wilhour running their mouths at 5:30 AM Saturday screaming their doom and gloom, all is lost, Dems are killing Illinois, thinking anyone was listening to them beside people who had to be listening.
They bring nothing to the table, they add nothing to the discussion they have no ideas other playing to low information Trumpers. They lack public policy chops and will never be remembered for anything other than gradstanding.
If they are are the future of the GOP in Illinois, there is no future for the GOP in Illinois.
==If they are are the future of the GOP in Illinois, there is no future for the GOP in Illinois. ==
Nothing fails like failure. After several cycles of national candidates that were just abysmal fits for Illinois, almost all of the Republicans with genuine crossover appeal have been drummed out of office.
I do think Milhiser has it (as a prosecutor, he’s been a little protected from national headwinds), and Demmer has a little that could go a long way against a weak opponent. Irvin would probably have it, but seems intent on wasting it to chase the right wing vote in the primary.
I can’t get over how hilariously nonsensical the Republican arguments were. “The budget is only balanced because of the federal money, which will be gone soon…so we should use it for PERMANENT tax cuts rather than one-time relief.”
And- “The only thing that’ll stop crime is repealing a law that hasn’t taken effect yet. The status quo during this rise in crime MUST be preserved.”
Dems always have a messaging problem. There are good things from the National level and good things from the session that finished here. But translation into soundbites is the key. If a tree falls in the woods….
===If they are are the future of the GOP in Illinois, there is no future for the GOP in Illinois.===
For me, and likely *only* for me, I look at Bourne and Demmer, very specifically, and wonder aloud…
“How many budgets did you ever vote for as legislators?”
“How many times did you vote against your districts for a party leader holding you and the state hostage?”
“How often were you pounding that desk but pressing that Green button, unwilling to just be part of something but instead being against anything?”
It’s not that I have never thought well of either of them, quite the contrary to those I’ve shared other thoughts…
… it’s the realistic thing that both fell into something that stifled all that is (and was in their beginnings) good on them and their leadership qualities, and the intangibles to lead a state, let alone a party.
The irony is neither will be back in the GA come 2023.
If either (or both) win, they stay on the stage, my hope is they realize their gifts and hone them, not sharpen partisan rhetoric and divisive thoughts.
If either (or both) lose, they leave one part of the stage, and who knows what that means in any career, maybe a “good” recalibration.
I’ve been hard, some might say needlessly and pointedly, on them both, but “there’s nothing worse than wasted talent”
It’s a sin. They have been letting themselves down. My hope is they can rise to occasions and be who they could be, not who others require them to be
I kept one eye on things, do my “recovery” is obviously far-far different to those who actually toiled, be it reporters, Staff, lobbyists, the electeds, I’m grateful to all doing the work, and acknowledge how hard the work is for all.
“As long as I can remember” commenting here, I’ve wondered aloud this too…
“If Dems are so bad at getting the message out in Illinois, how can the GOP, the legislative crews, the political apparatuses, all those who toil at *that* trade of politics, continually find themselves marginalized, figuratively and actually, be it seats, statewides, all aspects… lose to “poor messaging”
Now, before this turns into “it’s a blue state” or “it’s stacked against…”, keep in mind, fine congressional seats are not lust seats, not because of any map, but because surrender, even to message, occurred.
Before Kirk and Rauner, statewide was possible, a formula proven.
Is that formula being utilized? Statewide, is still statewide.
I’ve given my own thoughts, some readily say “ad-nauseum”, and I appreciate that, I embrace it, but this idea that the GOP is prepared to pounce on poor messaging, “watch what does happen” is where I’m at.
Can the GOP recover given all that could aid it in a midterm?
Saw Sun Times article saying Willie Wilson is getting into the race for mayor. Wonder if his recent gas buying spree could be construed as vote buying.
Dems success hasnt been because of good messaging, its been because the other side went crazy with candidates that didnt appeal to its moderate suburban base any longer. This started in 1992 with Pat Buchanan’s insurgent candidacy, to Alan Keyes and has continued through Trump.
If the GOP is able to get back to statewide candidates that can appeal to suburban voters again, and if there is enough displeasure with Dems because of crime and inflation, watch out.
Irvin is the guy that would give the GOP hope of reclaiming many of its legislative suburban seats. Would it be enough to give them majorities? Doubtful but could get them much closer.
===Saw Sun Times article saying Willie Wilson is getting into the race for mayor. Wonder if his recent gas buying spree could be construed as vote buying.===
Rauner was passing out checks to legislators “campaign funds” just before they were voting on a bill he wanted, and said there was more where that came from. It looked suspicious to me, but that is just me. Nobody did anything about it so it must have been unethical but not illegal.
==Dems success hasnt been because of good messaging, its been because the other side went crazy with candidates that didnt appeal to its moderate suburban base any longer.==
Right. Messaging is just one piece of the puzzle. The only reason it gets talked about so much is that it’s a very visible piece of the puzzle and all the people who cover politics have comms backgrounds.
- West Side the Best Side - Monday, Apr 11, 22 @ 8:48 am:
Rich - You stayed awake so we didn’t have to. Thanks.
- Monday morning - Monday, Apr 11, 22 @ 8:51 am:
I feel like the boxer ready to charge back into the fight only to realize he has been knocked out; fight is over.
- Rich Miller - Monday, Apr 11, 22 @ 8:53 am:
===You stayed awake so we didn’t have to===
Nope.
Look, I knew how it was going to end and decided I didn’t need to witness it and that the leaders weren’t going to force me to stay awake all darned night, so I went home and woke up after a few hours when they finished and then posted stuff here and then had a nice lunch with some of my hippie friends, came home and napped in the afternoon and then went out for an enjoyable and QUIET dinner on the lake.
- The Opinions Bureau - Monday, Apr 11, 22 @ 8:54 am:
Nope.
- West Side the Best Side - Monday, Apr 11, 22 @ 9:08 am:
What if Bailey had showed up with a shotgun to add his bit to an informed discussion on the budget? You would have missed all that. But I guess you figured even he wouldn’t have been that crazy running statewide.
- Rich Miller - Monday, Apr 11, 22 @ 9:10 am:
===You would have missed all that===
And thanking my lucky stars. lol
- Torco Sign - Monday, Apr 11, 22 @ 9:10 am:
Don’t worry, Rich–it’s not like it’s suddenly campaign season or anything
- Gruntled University Employee - Monday, Apr 11, 22 @ 9:14 am:
I too tend to need a nap after “lunch” with my hippie friends.
- chicagofun - Monday, Apr 11, 22 @ 9:15 am:
What if Bailey had showed up with a shotgun to add his bit to an informed discussion on the budget? You would have missed all that. But I guess you figured even he wouldn’t have been that crazy running statewide. - Whatever lines in the budget that were hit by the buckshot would have been where he cut the budget.
- Amalia - Monday, Apr 11, 22 @ 9:20 am:
It really is a blur. and if it stays that way, the Dems will not have the advantage they thought they would have with the public.
- int - Monday, Apr 11, 22 @ 9:26 am:
needs to be a law.. that they can’t go that late.. ridic
- Arsenal - Monday, Apr 11, 22 @ 9:27 am:
==It really is a blur. and if it stays that way, the Dems will not have the advantage they thought they would have with the public. ==
The public doesn’t pay attention to floor action, anyway. The Dems were always going to need the ads- including those they forced onto gas pumps and grocery receipts, lol- and the checks themselves to tell the public what happened.
- Murph - Monday, Apr 11, 22 @ 9:28 am:
Today is Sunday, right?
- Cheryl44 - Monday, Apr 11, 22 @ 9:34 am:
I doubt the public really pays that much attention to what goes on in Springfield.
- Oswego Willy - Monday, Apr 11, 22 @ 9:37 am:
===I doubt the public really pays that much attention to what goes on in Springfield.===
Voters pay attention when they feel aggrieved.
Voters pay attention if they feel they are under some “attack”
Voters need reminding, and re-reminding, when good “stuff” is done by government.
- Downstate - Monday, Apr 11, 22 @ 9:40 am:
“I doubt the public really pays that much attention to what goes on in Springfield.”
The celebrations have already broken out in our area over the emergency relief, in the form of $100-200 tax relief that the state is dispensing….in ‘late summer or early fall’. /s/
- Oswego Willy - Monday, Apr 11, 22 @ 9:45 am:
===The celebrations have already broken out===
Have you looked at the roll call(s) on some of these.
Pounding their desks, yet pressing Green buttons.
Maybe it’s you not realizing the show biz aspects versus the “for the record” voting?
- Give Me A Break - Monday, Apr 11, 22 @ 9:46 am:
It was beyond hilarious watching Bourne, Mazzochi, McCombie and Wilhour running their mouths at 5:30 AM Saturday screaming their doom and gloom, all is lost, Dems are killing Illinois, thinking anyone was listening to them beside people who had to be listening.
They bring nothing to the table, they add nothing to the discussion they have no ideas other playing to low information Trumpers. They lack public policy chops and will never be remembered for anything other than gradstanding.
If they are are the future of the GOP in Illinois, there is no future for the GOP in Illinois.
- Rabid - Monday, Apr 11, 22 @ 9:50 am:
Early release, GOP meddling for bailey to soften up Irvin
- Arsenal - Monday, Apr 11, 22 @ 9:52 am:
==Pounding their desks, yet pressing Green buttons.==
And only the second will really get noticed, if even that.
- Oswego Willy - Monday, Apr 11, 22 @ 9:55 am:
=== And only the second will really get noticed, if even that.===
Yep. Can’t be “Red” on the silly things that come back to bite.
Having it both ways, yet on the record, safely.
- Arsenal - Monday, Apr 11, 22 @ 9:56 am:
==If they are are the future of the GOP in Illinois, there is no future for the GOP in Illinois. ==
Nothing fails like failure. After several cycles of national candidates that were just abysmal fits for Illinois, almost all of the Republicans with genuine crossover appeal have been drummed out of office.
I do think Milhiser has it (as a prosecutor, he’s been a little protected from national headwinds), and Demmer has a little that could go a long way against a weak opponent. Irvin would probably have it, but seems intent on wasting it to chase the right wing vote in the primary.
- Arsenal - Monday, Apr 11, 22 @ 10:00 am:
I can’t get over how hilariously nonsensical the Republican arguments were. “The budget is only balanced because of the federal money, which will be gone soon…so we should use it for PERMANENT tax cuts rather than one-time relief.”
And- “The only thing that’ll stop crime is repealing a law that hasn’t taken effect yet. The status quo during this rise in crime MUST be preserved.”
- Amalia - Monday, Apr 11, 22 @ 10:02 am:
Dems always have a messaging problem. There are good things from the National level and good things from the session that finished here. But translation into soundbites is the key. If a tree falls in the woods….
- Oswego Willy - Monday, Apr 11, 22 @ 10:06 am:
===If they are are the future of the GOP in Illinois, there is no future for the GOP in Illinois.===
For me, and likely *only* for me, I look at Bourne and Demmer, very specifically, and wonder aloud…
“How many budgets did you ever vote for as legislators?”
“How many times did you vote against your districts for a party leader holding you and the state hostage?”
“How often were you pounding that desk but pressing that Green button, unwilling to just be part of something but instead being against anything?”
It’s not that I have never thought well of either of them, quite the contrary to those I’ve shared other thoughts…
… it’s the realistic thing that both fell into something that stifled all that is (and was in their beginnings) good on them and their leadership qualities, and the intangibles to lead a state, let alone a party.
The irony is neither will be back in the GA come 2023.
If either (or both) win, they stay on the stage, my hope is they realize their gifts and hone them, not sharpen partisan rhetoric and divisive thoughts.
If either (or both) lose, they leave one part of the stage, and who knows what that means in any career, maybe a “good” recalibration.
I’ve been hard, some might say needlessly and pointedly, on them both, but “there’s nothing worse than wasted talent”
It’s a sin. They have been letting themselves down. My hope is they can rise to occasions and be who they could be, not who others require them to be
- Michelle Flaherty - Monday, Apr 11, 22 @ 10:07 am:
– Dems always have a messaging problem –
Dems have supermajorities in both chambers.
- Flyin' Elvis'-Utah Chapter - Monday, Apr 11, 22 @ 10:21 am:
When you complain about receiving money from the gubmint is when you have officially gone ’round the bend…and you ain’t coming back.
By the by, they’re dancing at Shawnee School District. Emergency grant money from the big, bad, G is keeping their doors open, at least temporarily.
- Arsenal - Monday, Apr 11, 22 @ 10:30 am:
==Dems always have a messaging problem.==
And yet, they win often enough, especially in this state, that you have to wonder how much “good messaging” is really worth.
- Flyin' Elvis'-Utah Chapter - Monday, Apr 11, 22 @ 10:36 am:
What Arsenal at 10:30 said.
If supermajorities are “messaging problems” the ILGOP better hope the Dems never fix that “problem”.
- Oswego Willy - Monday, Apr 11, 22 @ 10:46 am:
Have I recovered?
I kept one eye on things, do my “recovery” is obviously far-far different to those who actually toiled, be it reporters, Staff, lobbyists, the electeds, I’m grateful to all doing the work, and acknowledge how hard the work is for all.
“As long as I can remember” commenting here, I’ve wondered aloud this too…
“If Dems are so bad at getting the message out in Illinois, how can the GOP, the legislative crews, the political apparatuses, all those who toil at *that* trade of politics, continually find themselves marginalized, figuratively and actually, be it seats, statewides, all aspects… lose to “poor messaging”
Now, before this turns into “it’s a blue state” or “it’s stacked against…”, keep in mind, fine congressional seats are not lust seats, not because of any map, but because surrender, even to message, occurred.
Before Kirk and Rauner, statewide was possible, a formula proven.
Is that formula being utilized? Statewide, is still statewide.
I’ve given my own thoughts, some readily say “ad-nauseum”, and I appreciate that, I embrace it, but this idea that the GOP is prepared to pounce on poor messaging, “watch what does happen” is where I’m at.
Can the GOP recover given all that could aid it in a midterm?
Dunno.
- Huh? - Monday, Apr 11, 22 @ 11:02 am:
Saw Sun Times article saying Willie Wilson is getting into the race for mayor. Wonder if his recent gas buying spree could be construed as vote buying.
- low level - Monday, Apr 11, 22 @ 11:16 am:
Dems success hasnt been because of good messaging, its been because the other side went crazy with candidates that didnt appeal to its moderate suburban base any longer. This started in 1992 with Pat Buchanan’s insurgent candidacy, to Alan Keyes and has continued through Trump.
If the GOP is able to get back to statewide candidates that can appeal to suburban voters again, and if there is enough displeasure with Dems because of crime and inflation, watch out.
Irvin is the guy that would give the GOP hope of reclaiming many of its legislative suburban seats. Would it be enough to give them majorities? Doubtful but could get them much closer.
- DuPage - Monday, Apr 11, 22 @ 11:39 am:
@- Huh? - Monday, Apr 11, 22 @ 11:02 am:
===Saw Sun Times article saying Willie Wilson is getting into the race for mayor. Wonder if his recent gas buying spree could be construed as vote buying.===
Rauner was passing out checks to legislators “campaign funds” just before they were voting on a bill he wanted, and said there was more where that came from. It looked suspicious to me, but that is just me. Nobody did anything about it so it must have been unethical but not illegal.
- Arsenal - Monday, Apr 11, 22 @ 3:29 pm:
==Dems success hasnt been because of good messaging, its been because the other side went crazy with candidates that didnt appeal to its moderate suburban base any longer.==
Right. Messaging is just one piece of the puzzle. The only reason it gets talked about so much is that it’s a very visible piece of the puzzle and all the people who cover politics have comms backgrounds.