Today’s quotable
Wednesday, Apr 27, 2022 - Posted by Rich Miller
* WGEM…
The elimination of cash bail is fast approaching for Illinois following the passage of the SAFE-T act in January 2021. Some judges have even begun the transition to no cash bail, but prosecutors are saying no cash bail will make their job a lot harder.
One state’s attorney spoke out against the elimination of cash bail today. He argued in some situations, having an offender out on the street because there was no bail will harm victims and make them afraid.
“It’s not like we lock people up who are innocent, awaiting trial,” Will County State’s Attorney James Glasgow said. “I do everything I can to make certain that if I can’t prove a case beyond a reasonable doubt, I dismiss it.”
…Adding… From comments…
Is this the same James Glasgow who sent a police officer to jail for six days on murder charges only to dismiss charges AFTER an investigation proved his alibi, which resulted in Will County having to settle a lawsuit with the wrongfully jailed, innocent cop?
Because if it is the same James Glasgow, he’s literally locked up an innocent person (a cop no less) awaiting a trial that never happened.
References…
* Will County panel OKs settlement over wrongful arrest in ‘honeybee’ case: Will County officials are nearing a settlement with a Lynwood police officer who spent six days in jail on murder charges that were later dropped.
* Another fumble for Will County: “You can’t make the problem, clean it up and then act like a hero,” Carlson said. “He’s the one who charged him. He knew the evidence and now he’s acting like he’s trying to save the world. There’s only one person who charged Brian Dorian, that’s Jim Glasgow. There’s only one person who’s now claiming that he fixed it and that’s Jim Glasgow. He can’t have it both ways.”
…Adding… Want more? Here you go…
* Charges Dropped After Giant Meth Seizure By Will County Sheriffs: A 47-year-old California man who had nearly 23 lbs of methamphetamine seized from his car by the Will County Sheriff’s Office last September was the subject of an illegal and improper search, Will County Judge Vincent Cornelius ruled. On Wednesday morning, Assistant Will County State’s Attorney Tom Bahar appeared in Courtroom 404 informing Cornelius that Henry Duenas is being released from custody at the Will County Jail and his two Class X felonies are being dismissed. Duenas was in the Will County Jail for more than six months, facing a $1 million bail. Last week, Cornelius announced the search was illegal, and the evidence was inadmissible. On Sept. 27, the Will County State’s Attorney’s Office of Jim Glasgow charged Duenas with two Class X felonies, unlawful possession of methamphetamine with intent to deliver and unlawful possession of methamphetamine.
* Charges dropped against father in Riley Fox case: Prosecutors had promised to seek the death penalty against Kevin Fox. Now, they are back to where they were almost a year ago, with no named suspects and a development that has stunned even prosecutors. It turns out DNA from the crime scene doesn’t match the man they had in jail. Kevin Fox is free after prosecutors concede there is now considerable doubt about his guilt. “It was a nightmare, and I don’t want to relive it right now. I’m happy. I’m excited,” said Fox. Will County Prosecutor James Glasgow and Sheriff Paul Kaupas dropped the charge, but offered no apology and few answers about why law enforcement was so convinced Fox was their man.
* 1st Degree Murder Charges Dropped For Joliet 19-Year-Old: On Friday morning, an angry Joliet criminal defense attorney Jeff Tomczak raised his voice before Will County Chief Judge Dan Kennedy, insisting that 19-year-old client Rasean Stokes has no criminal culpability in the Feb. 8, 2020 gunshot homicide along Joliet’s Republic Avenue that ended the life of 17-year-old Jeremiah Frazier. Tomczak implored Judge Kennedy reduce his incarcerated client’s bail from $750,000 to $5,000, but the judge was not willing to make a decision on the bail at Friday’s hearing. Instead, Kennedy took the matter under advisement and put the case back on the court docket for Tuesday, Feb. 2. However, the judge did agree to dismiss both first-degree murder counts against Tomczak’s client during Friday’s hearing. As relatives of his client were seated in Will County Courtroom 403, Tomczak was livid, pointing out that Stokes has already spent an entire year in the Will County Jail “on a bad murder charge.”
- Perrid - Wednesday, Apr 27, 22 @ 9:12 am:
Uh, they are innocent actually, until they’re convicted. They are presumed innocent until proven guilty, that’s kinda the whole point.
- Who else - Wednesday, Apr 27, 22 @ 9:16 am:
“It’s not like we lock people up who are innocent, awaiting trial,” Will County State’s Attorney James Glasgow said.
Oopsies.
- Judge Dredd - Wednesday, Apr 27, 22 @ 9:17 am:
“I am the law.”
- MisterJayEm - Wednesday, Apr 27, 22 @ 9:19 am:
“It’s [literally] like we lock people up who are innocent, awaiting trial,” Will County State’s Attorney James Glasgow said.
Fixed it for ya.
– MrJM
- Oswego Willy - Wednesday, Apr 27, 22 @ 9:21 am:
===“It’s not like we lock people up who are innocent, awaiting trial,” Will County State’s Attorney James Glasgow said.===
So if someone is charged or indicted, they are guilty and should await a trial to, “basically”, reaffirm what is already thought?
I dunno if our judicial system works that way.
- Matthew - Wednesday, Apr 27, 22 @ 9:21 am:
Wow. That’s a law degree that should be revoked.
- Original Anon - Wednesday, Apr 27, 22 @ 9:24 am:
There is an argument for cash bail, but that is not it. The federal system has retained cash bail as a potential pretrial condition. The difference is that judges here use cash bail reflexively or as a de facto detention. Feds employ it less often and where the bail serves as incentive for the defendant to appear and behave. The feds are far more willing to outright detain when appropriate. Its a structure we should have modeled.
- Da big bad wolf - Wednesday, Apr 27, 22 @ 9:24 am:
Well keep the rich criminals in jail too then.
Why was this only a issue when poor people might be able to wait for their trials at home the way rich people have been able to do? Where is your quote saying no one should have bail?
- A Reasonable Man - Wednesday, Apr 27, 22 @ 9:24 am:
Ummm, so maybe we should just do away with our entire system of justice and let Jim Glasgow decide who has to go to jail.
- Homebody - Wednesday, Apr 27, 22 @ 9:27 am:
The perversion of “end cash bail” into “no one gets pre-trial detention” is so weird to me, largely because the pushback on that narrative seems so minimal. For all the work that was done to pass the bill, every article seems bereft of any quotes from any of the proponents of it.
Judges still have the ability to detain people, just not based on money any more.
- TNR - Wednesday, Apr 27, 22 @ 9:31 am:
Glasgow has always been more than a little goofy.
@Original Anon is 100 percent correct. The federal system works well on this. We should have just adopted that fix rather than the experiment we’re going to begin Jan 1.
- Donnie Elgin - Wednesday, Apr 27, 22 @ 9:31 am:
“There is an argument for cash bail”
Yeah, the fact that 49 states still use it.
USA Today
Illinois set to become first state to eliminate cash bail under sweeping criminal justice reform law…
“Illinois to become the first U.S. state to do so. Other states, including New Jersey and New York, have limited the use of cash bail but not eliminated it entirely”
- JS Mill - Wednesday, Apr 27, 22 @ 9:35 am:
The whole “we can’t keep dangerous people detained” argument is pure dishonesty. The change in cash bail means someone that didn’t pay a ticket or did some shoplifting, you know…non violent offenses does not have to be locked up for a year while waiting trial. Especially for something that may not even lead to incarceration upon conviction.
They all know they can keep dangerous and violent offenders in jail until trial if they cannot meet bail.
Glasgow is a fool.
- Leap Day William - Wednesday, Apr 27, 22 @ 9:37 am:
== Yeah, the fact that 49 states still use it. ==
And at various points in the past, only one state recognized/allowed other rights we now take as granted. Same-sex marriage, women’s suffrage, civil rights, integration, medical marijuana, recreational marijuana, etc.
This isn’t the slam-dunk argument you think it is.
- Oswego Willy - Wednesday, Apr 27, 22 @ 9:37 am:
- Donnie Elgin -
Do you agree with the quote in this post?
Why or why not?
- Sue - Wednesday, Apr 27, 22 @ 9:40 am:
Applaud the insanity but this issue as much as people’s inflation concern will result in Speaker McCarthy and Leader McConnell come January- too bad so many crime victims need to pay for the stupidity
- SWIL_Voter - Wednesday, Apr 27, 22 @ 9:40 am:
“There is an argument for cash bail”
Yeah, the fact that 49 states still use it.”
If 49 other states jumped off a bridge would you want illinois to jump too?
- ArchPundit - Wednesday, Apr 27, 22 @ 9:42 am:
===Yeah, the fact that 49 states still use it.
Why is posting money the best way to ensure people show up? We’ve seen plenty of programs that do quite well getting people to show up by reminders and contact with the accused. Often these programs are more successful than using cash bail because for most people accused of a crime, the challenges aren’t because they won’t show up, but that they have a chaotic life that makes it hard to keep track of when dates are and they are battling poverty often.
Cash bail is just a way to allow those with resources to face a very different justice system than those without resources.
Any system of pre-trial detention should be focused on clear danger to society which the law allows for such people to be detained.
- Nefarious Veneer - Wednesday, Apr 27, 22 @ 9:42 am:
Is this the same James Glasgow who sent a police officer to jail for six days on murder charges only to dismiss charges AFTER an investigation proved his alibi, which resulted in Will County having to settle a lawsuit with the wrongfully jailed, innocent cop?
Because if it is the same James Glasgow, he’s literally locked up an innocent person (a cop no less) awaiting a trial that never happened.
https://www.chicagotribune.com/suburbs/ct-honeybee-killer-lawsuit-met-20141211-story.html
https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-xpm-2010-10-14-ct-met-brian-dorian-hearing1014-20101013-story.html
I beg google can find more.
- Bruce( no not him) - Wednesday, Apr 27, 22 @ 9:43 am:
“It’s not like we lock people up who are innocent, awaiting trial,”
I’d really like to have a 100% success rate like this guy obviously has. /S
- Al - Wednesday, Apr 27, 22 @ 9:43 am:
Some people will be better fed inside the prison than living on the street. How many will forget their appointment in Court?
- TheInvisibleMan - Wednesday, Apr 27, 22 @ 9:43 am:
Nice to see the Will County SA openly admit he sees himself as both judge and jury, as well as prosecutor.
- ArchPundit - Wednesday, Apr 27, 22 @ 9:43 am:
===Especially for something that may not even lead to incarceration upon conviction.
This is an excellent point. Many people face more time in pre-trial than they might get with a conviction. A system like this is designed to create guilty pleas not justice.
- Nick - Wednesday, Apr 27, 22 @ 9:43 am:
Glasgow’s quote is a perfect example of why a lot of people don’t trust the justice system, bravo
- MidState Anon - Wednesday, Apr 27, 22 @ 9:44 am:
Let’s go back and read the content of the law and some of the public policy with which it’s being aimed. It abolishes long-term pretrial incarceration of those who are presumed innocent who are poor and/or unable to procure funds (then losing barely viable employment while being held)
However, It could very well spell financial headaches for some counties that relied on using bond/bail as their main source of fine payments.
And, I see where SAs and judges are a bit chafed at the presumption they are using the system for financial gain.
Now that I think about it, my AAA bond cards are about to expire…
- ArchPundit - Wednesday, Apr 27, 22 @ 9:46 am:
====too bad so many crime victims need to pay for the stupidity
What crime victims are paying for this law? If an accused person is a danger, the law allows for pre-trial detention.
So you want to hold people who don’t have resources to get out even though they might have stolen a ladder or drove on a suspended license?
- Pot calling kettle - Wednesday, Apr 27, 22 @ 9:46 am:
So, does this mean that Will County State’s Attorney James Glasgow opposes bail as well? I’m guessing that if we check the record, we will find plenty of these “guilty” people running around while out on bail in Will County.
- Original Anon - Wednesday, Apr 27, 22 @ 9:47 am:
New Jersey is a great comparison. Cash bail is available, but is almost never used (as in near 0%). To get there New Jersey: (1) formed a massive working group that studied pretrial measures (2) created a pilot program (3) spent millions to modernize and unify criminal court vomputer systems, (4) established a statewide pretrial unit to do assessments, and (5) amended their constitution to expand the ability of judges to detain people.
- ArchPundit - Wednesday, Apr 27, 22 @ 9:47 am:
===And, I see where SAs and judges are a bit chafed at the presumption they are using the system for financial gain.
It’s not a presumption though. Counties do use this for raising money and more importantly, they do it to encourage plea deals. Either we are committed to fair trials or not. Pre-trial detention’s primary effect is to get people to plea out their case regardless of guilt.
- Oswego Willy - Wednesday, Apr 27, 22 @ 9:50 am:
=== Some people will be better fed inside the prison than living on the street.===
So you’re advocating the cheaper homeless shelters versus more prisons? Better fed and all.
===How many will forget their appointment in Court?===
So you lock them up so they can prove their innocence, which might be the opposite of how our system is suppose to work?
Two odd sentences
- Nick - Wednesday, Apr 27, 22 @ 9:50 am:
To the greater argument around cash bail, I’ll fully admit to not getting it.
Find me a single criminal who has ever been dissuaded from committing a crime because of the cash bail system. Or a reason for why the accused’s risk of committing another crime, their danger to the public, chances fleeing the state, o forth should be measured against their ability to pay a fine. Then I’ll see the light.
But until then it genuinely just sounds like some officials are mad they can’t soak up money from poor people as well anymore.
- Quibbler - Wednesday, Apr 27, 22 @ 9:51 am:
== Yeah, the fact that 49 states still use it ==
Only two countries in the world use cash bail. The other is the Philippines. Illinois is joining the vast majority of humanity in recognizing that no one deserves to be jailed based on whether they can buy their freedom.
- Oswego Willy - Wednesday, Apr 27, 22 @ 9:52 am:
===too bad so many crime victims need to pay for the stupidity===
So… you and Glasgow, trials are a formality… “maybe”
- DTAG - Wednesday, Apr 27, 22 @ 9:54 am:
State’s Attorneys like cash bail because it makes it more likely poor defendants who can’t afford to bail out will accept a plea. No cash bail will make their job harder plain and simple and that’s why they don’t like it.
- Donnie Elgin - Wednesday, Apr 27, 22 @ 9:56 am:
Glasgow should have responded with data/insight that NBC5 highlighted last year
Argument Rages Over Release of Offenders Awaiting Trial…
The Utah study concluded that after bail reforms were implemented in Cook County, the number of released defendants charged with new crimes increased by about 45%, and those charged with new violent crimes went up by about 33%…”Clearly a significant percentage of people who are charged with crimes are guilty of those crimes, and if you release them, I think it’s just common sense that they’re going to create risk to the public,” he said. “So you have to strike a proper balance between protecting the public, and protecting individual liberties in the course of pre-trial detention.”
https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/argument-rages-over-release-of-offenders-awaiting-trial/2549380/
- ArchPundit - Wednesday, Apr 27, 22 @ 9:56 am:
===Some people will be better fed inside the prison than living on the street. How many will forget their appointment in Court?
Yes, only homeless people are arrested. If nothing else, why not spend a little money on pre-trial reminders instead of a lot of money on incarceration?
- Lucky Pierre - Wednesday, Apr 27, 22 @ 9:59 am:
States are the laboratories of Democracy
Why do Illinois Democrats want to replicate and expand failed experiments?
The New York Governor wants to change their cash bail law after a steep rise in violent crime.
After a steep rise in violent crime in Illinois, Democrats want to double down on their failed policies that have obviously failed in Cook County
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/17/nyregion/bail-reform-hochul-ny.html
- TheInvisibleMan - Wednesday, Apr 27, 22 @ 9:59 am:
As someone in Will County, I could give you a direct example of the SA office choosing to not even file charges against obvious criminal activity, despite multiple reports and de facto evidence already contained in other state agencies records.
To get an actual resolution, the issue had to be escalated by local residents to the Attorney Generals office - and also the IRS for the fraud happening.
Those two offices quickly addressed the activity, that Glasgows office knowingly refused to address and even appeared to be protecting, for almost 3 years.
A perfect example of his office playing judge,jury, and prosecutor - as his quote here confirms. But since he didn’t file any charges to start with, there’s no local paper trail.
Honestly, I don’t know what the local SA office does around here anymore other than attend charity fundraisers and events.
- Lucky Pierre - Wednesday, Apr 27, 22 @ 10:09 am:
James Glasgow has a distinguished record serving on and off since 1992.
As of 2016 his a conviction rate was higher that any States attorney in Illinois- 15% higher than his closest competitor
Why do the good people in Will county keep re-electing him if he is doing such a terrible job?
https://patch.com/illinois/joliet/james-glasgow-longest-serving-states-attorney-will-county-history
- Google Is Your Friend - Wednesday, Apr 27, 22 @ 10:10 am:
- Nefarious Veneer - Wednesday, Apr 27, 22 @ 9:42 am:
Glasgow’s record of misconduct is long.
Botching the Riley Fox case and relying on a coerced confession: https://abc7chicago.com/archive/7465493/
Multiple exonerations of people he prosecuted, including for murder:
https://www.law.umich.edu/special/exoneration/Pages/detaillist.aspx?View={FAF6EDDB-5A68-4F8F-8A52-2C61F5BF9EA7}&FilterField1=ST&FilterValue1=IL&FilterField2=County%5Fx0020%5Fof%5Fx0020%5FCrime&FilterValue2=Will
- Oswego Willy - Wednesday, Apr 27, 22 @ 10:15 am:
===Glasgow should have responded…===
That’s not what I asked, - Donnie Elgin -
I asked, “Do you agree with the quote in this post?”
Why or why not?
===As of 2016 his a conviction rate was higher…===
Is it at 100%
See, here’s why I ask such a question;
===“It’s not like we lock people up who are innocent, awaiting trial,” Will County State’s Attorney James Glasgow said.===
So there’s a guilt thing, even before a trial occurs, so is that at a 100% rate?
- Arsenal - Wednesday, Apr 27, 22 @ 10:22 am:
==The perversion of “end cash bail” into “no one gets pre-trial detention” is so weird to me, largely because the pushback on that narrative seems so minimal. For all the work that was done to pass the bill, every article seems bereft of any quotes from any of the proponents of it.
Judges still have the ability to detain people, just not based on money any more. ==
Thank you. I’m quoting this in its entirety because it can’t be said enough.
- Montrose - Wednesday, Apr 27, 22 @ 10:24 am:
Lucky-
Per usual, you did an amazing job mentioning the subject of the conversation (James Glasgow) without actually speaking to topic at hand. What he said was dumb and counter to basic functioning of our judicial system. Whether or not he has been re-elected has nothing to do with it.
- Arsenal - Wednesday, Apr 27, 22 @ 10:30 am:
==Yeah, the fact that 49 states still use it.==
It’s actually 50- Illinois’ elimination of cash bail has not gone into effect yet- but the spike in crime nonetheless occurred, and it’s occurred in all those states that didn’t even consider eliminating cash bail, too. Yet you insist that this failed system must continue.
==Why do Illinois Democrats want to replicate and expand failed experiments?==
They don’t, you’re the one insisting that we have to keep a failed system in place. Cash bail is law in all 50 states, including Illinois. Crime has nonetheless spiked in all of them, including IL. You and Donnie Elgin are the ones insisting that we must keep this failed system in place.
You’ll forgive us for noting that your insistence on continuing a failed system rather completely betrays your insincerity about crime. If you actually cared about it, you wouldn’t want to continue a failed system. But here we are.
- Arsenal - Wednesday, Apr 27, 22 @ 10:37 am:
==Why do the good people in Will county keep re-electing him if he is doing such a terrible job?==
This is the dumbest spin you’ve ever attempted, and that’s saying something.
Let’s change two nouns in there, huh? let’s change “Will County” to “the 27th State Rep district” and “him” to “Justin Slaughter”. Now, let’s see if you agree with the statement:
“Why do the good people in the 27th State Rep keep re-electing Justin Slaughter if he is doing such a terrible job?”
Do you agree with that statement, LP?
- Red Ketcher - Wednesday, Apr 27, 22 @ 10:38 am:
Knowledge limited to small counties where it is believed that the Cash Bail system has generally worked properly and as designed.
Believe that Prosecutors and Judges have applied it with appropriate discretion to assure appearance in Court, deter Flight , and
as needed Protect the Public.
Believe the Cash Bail system is sound.
Getting rid of Cash Bail is a misguided solution to human dysfunction in utilization of the system .
Instead eliminate the operator error.
- Leap Day William - Wednesday, Apr 27, 22 @ 10:39 am:
== Why do Illinois Democrats want to replicate and expand failed experiments? ==
[Insert Principal Skinner Meme]
Hmm, everyone else in the world had ditched cash bail except the US and a handful of other countries. Are Republicans so out of touch?
No, it’s the Democrats and the rest of the world who are wrong. *eyeroll*
- Arsenal - Wednesday, Apr 27, 22 @ 10:41 am:
==As of 2016 his a conviction rate was higher that any States attorney in Illinois- 15% higher than his closest competitor ==
Also, what’s your cite for this? The article you linked says that his conviction rate is 15% higher than *the average for Illinois State’s attorneys*, which is quite different than what you claim. And while you’ve amply demonstrated that you’re dishonest enough to conflate the two in your never-ending quest to insist that we must continue failed programs, I’m an optimist, so I would prefer to at least see if you’ve got a source.
- Rich Miller - Wednesday, Apr 27, 22 @ 10:44 am:
===Believe that Prosecutors and Judges have applied it with appropriate discretion to assure appearance in Court, deter Flight , and
as needed Protect the Public.===
OK, so how will that change? Judges can still keep them behind bars.
- Arsenal - Wednesday, Apr 27, 22 @ 10:46 am:
==Instead eliminate the operator error. ==
Making humans perfect sounds like a tall task.
But the bigger problem is that cash bail works under the premise that the more money you have, the more we’d like you to go free while awaiting trial. I don’t think that’s actually something we as a people believe, though, right? So it’s a flawed system to start with, even before we get to user error.
- charles in charge - Wednesday, Apr 27, 22 @ 10:46 am:
“I do everything I can to make certain that if I can’t prove a case beyond a reasonable doubt, I dismiss it.”
Should be easy enough to verify whether Glasgow’s office actually has a 100% conviction rate. Seems like a highly dubious claim.
- Pundent - Wednesday, Apr 27, 22 @ 10:51 am:
=As of 2016 his a conviction rate was higher that any States attorney in Illinois- 15% higher than his closest competitor=
So Glasgow is so good at his job that he’s not required to extend the constitutional presumption of innocence to a defendant?
- Oswego Willy - Wednesday, Apr 27, 22 @ 10:51 am:
===Also, what’s your cite for this?===
… and I hope it’s 100%, since…
===“It’s not like we lock people up who are innocent, awaiting trial,” Will County State’s Attorney James Glasgow said.===
Anything less, is a failure, on James Glasgow and a ruining of the judicial thoughts of innocent until proven guilty… not charged or indicted, locked up until innocence is proven.
It’s such a telling lil sentence, it says so much to the system and it’s own failure(s) to live up the the ideal of what justice can and should mean.
So… if we all can get that cite, then I know at least I’ll be put in my place with that 100% conviction rate, a rate based on the premise of guilt first, innocence needs proving… in Will County.
- TNR - Wednesday, Apr 27, 22 @ 10:56 am:
== Find me a single criminal who has ever been dissuaded from committing a crime because of the cash bail system ==
That’s not the purpose of cash bail. It’s to incentivize the defendant, while free from detention, to show up at his court dates. You don’t show, you surrender your bail. You do show, you get it back — or oftentimes, your family member who came up with the cash gets it back.
Having said that, judges here have abused cash bail and use it punitively with no consideration of a defendant’s ability to post it. The federal court system is much more deliberate in assessing pretrial detention and uses cash bail much less. Would have made more sense to adopt their system.
- Demise - Wednesday, Apr 27, 22 @ 10:57 am:
What Glasgow said was absolutely incorrect. That said, I think the record should be set straight regarding Kevin Fox. It was Jeffrey Tomczak (quoted in that last story above complaining about his client’s incarceration) who was the Will County State’s Attorney when Kevin Fox was charged. Fox sued Tomzak: https://casetext.com/case/fox-v-former-will-county-states-attorney-tomczak
- Arsenal - Wednesday, Apr 27, 22 @ 11:16 am:
==That’s not the purpose of cash bail. It’s to incentivize the defendant, while free from detention, to show up at his court dates.==
That’s true, but it makes an even bigger hash out of the idea that there is a connection between the pending (but not yet realized) end of cash bail and the spike in crime.
- Red Ketcher - Wednesday, Apr 27, 22 @ 11:20 am:
“OK, so how will that change? Judges can still keep them behind bars.”
True can still keep them behind bars ,
But Change is the fact that possible forfeiture of Posted Cash Bail is no longer a tool to assure appearance , compliance with bond conditions and deter flight.
Loss of Bond Money ( often posted by others )
currently motivates compliance
Key of course is that the Cash Bail needs to be properly determined and applied .
Failures in determination and application appear to have misguided us to Get Rid of It.
- ArchPundit - Wednesday, Apr 27, 22 @ 11:20 am:
====Glasgow should have responded with data/insight that NBC5 highlighted last year
Cassell doesn’t publish in peer reviewed journals for a reason. Here is a fairly comprehensive take though still not peer reviewed: http://www.jfa-associates.com/publications/reduce/Cook_County_Bail_Report.pdf
- ArchPundit - Wednesday, Apr 27, 22 @ 11:25 am:
====Loss of Bond Money ( often posted by others )
currently motivates compliance
It does no better than pre-trial supervised release which is cheaper and more respectful of civil liberties.
- ArchPundit - Wednesday, Apr 27, 22 @ 11:28 am:
=== The federal court system is much more deliberate in assessing pretrial detention and uses cash bail much less. Would have made more sense to adopt their system.
That’s fine, but the federal system deals with primarily serious charges versus a state system that has everything including very minor misdemeanors.
- TheInvisibleMan - Wednesday, Apr 27, 22 @ 11:37 am:
My memory is drifting back to a comment on this very blog a few weeks ago, about how “Illinois Dems should follow the lead of Glasgow”.
I laughed at it then, and it’s probably that laughter making me remember the comment now.
- charles in charge - Wednesday, Apr 27, 22 @ 11:55 am:
==Cassell doesn’t publish in peer reviewed journals for a reason.==
Thank you. Folks need to quit citing his research as though it is anything other than ideological hackery.
- cermak_rd - Wednesday, Apr 27, 22 @ 12:22 pm:
The idea that victims need to be afraid of non-cash bail seems not to track with the fact that the elimination of cash bail went along with still keeping peple locked up if a threat. I mean, it seems like cash bail would cause the same issue, oh the stalker got a bailfunder to grant him bail.
I think a concern that SAs have with cash bail is that our whole system is futzed up so sometimes the SA will charge for a minor offense someone who they suspect is guilty of much worse things just to get them off the street. Why they can’t make the charge on the more serious issues has to do with not having a decent witness protection system among others.
- TheInvisibleMan - Wednesday, Apr 27, 22 @ 12:43 pm:
== Why do the good people in Will county keep re-electing him ==
There’s a hint in this very story.
Notice the byline. Springfield.
None of these reports or statements ever make it into the local news, where Will county voters will hear it. But there will probably be a story in the local Shaw newspaper about his next attended fundraiser.
Glasgow spends a lot of time making sure to befriend the local reporters, or what’s left of them. Right now, this is mostly how I get my local news - from other non-local cities news sources writing about my area.
- thisjustinagain - Wednesday, Apr 27, 22 @ 1:18 pm:
Glascow aside, the idea of releasing violent felons on ankle monitors (never mind the case bail) is dumb. There is often more than enough evidence to find the “release of the offender would pose a real and present threat to the physical safety of any person.” (IL Cons. Art. I, Sec. 9). Like a violent offense and a lengthy criminal history “rap sheet” with violent crimes isn’t enough??
- ArchPundit - Wednesday, Apr 27, 22 @ 2:20 pm:
===Glascow aside, the idea of releasing violent felons on ankle monitors (never mind the case bail) is dumb.
Those accused of violent crimes who are judged to be a danger can be held so what is it that you disagree with?