* Marni Pyke…
Bailey opposes abortion including in cases of rape or incest. However, “I have no problem when it comes to the point of saving the life of the mother … I don’t consider that an abortion.”
Bailey would seek to end taxpayer funding of abortion and try to repeal a new law that ended required parental notification when minors get abortions.
But he supports the idea of making “abortion unnecessary. Let’s empower churches and civic groups and religious organizations to offer real help and hope to pregnant women.” […]
Democrats have warned the Supreme Court will next act to reduce access to contraceptives or restrict same-sex marriages.
“I believe in biblical marriage between a man and a woman,” Bailey said. But in Illinois, “currently with same-sex marriage, it’s the law. Illinois decided to make it a law, I understand the reasons. I will not be seeking to mess with that; we have bigger problems to deal with.”
I’m so old I remember when the Democrats nominated a southern Illinois gubernatorial candidate with those very same beliefs (Glenn Poshard, 1998).
* Pritzker campaign…
As Pride month comes to an end, Darren Bailey wasted no time reminding voters that he cannot and will not be a governor for all of Illinois. In an interview Thursday, Bailey said that he “believe[d] in biblical marriage between a man and a woman.”
In his concurring opinion on the Roe decision, Justice Clarence Thomas signaled the Supreme Court may revisit marriage equality. At a time of great uncertainty for LGBTQ+ and marginalized communities, Illinoisans need a leader who will proudly fight for their rights––not one who doesn’t even recognize they exist.
“Every day Darren Bailey shows us just how extreme he really is,” said JB for Governor Spokeswoman Natalie Edelstein. “Marriage equality is the law of the land and all Americans, regardless of gender or sexual orientation, can exercise their right to marry. Illinois deserves a governor who will not just “say gay,” but who will march alongside them at Pride, protest with them for Black Trans Lives, support queer-owned small businesses, and above all else ensure their rights are protected.
Meanwhile, Governor Pritzker expanded the Illinois Human Rights Act to include LGBTQ+ residents as a protected class and expanded infertility insurance to cover LGBTQ+ families. From inclusive LGBTQ+ curriculums in schools, to expanded Medicaid coverage for gender affirming surgery, to requiring single occupancy restrooms be designated as gender neutral––Governor Pritzker has made great strides in affirming that Illinois is a place where everyone can feel supported.
*** UPDATE *** Sen. Bailey was on WGN with Lisa Dent and Steve Bertrand yesterday…
Q: There’s an ad against you on TV right now that says you would support an abortion ban, including when it comes to incest or rape. Is that true or not true?
A: No, that’s not true…
Q: But they show you agreeing with it? Did they edit it? Or what?
A: I said ‘at this time,’ and that was early on in my candidacy and the laws of Illinois have changed since then abortion has been codified into a law as a medical procedure.
Q: So, what would you support as governor, the state of Illinois when it comes to abortion?
A: I’ve been very clear about that during this entire campaign. And since then, I’ve said that, number one, we must end taxpayer funded abortion, there’s people residents of Illinois have no stomach or desire to be paying for abortions, let alone this increase that Governor Pritzker wants to bring in. We need to restore parental notification. And because parents need to have they need to be able to make choices for their young children, 12 year old girls that this is ridiculous. And then finally, an idea that was picked up in some of the churches on the Southside of Chicago that I’ve been presented with and I’ve been working on is this idea to make abortion unnecessary. And we do that by making adoption easier. We will do that by partnering with churches, civic groups and religious organization to make sure that pregnant women get the true care and opportunities that they deserve. I’m having to make a choice. Do I get an abortion or not?
Q: If the legislature would have passionate abortion ban, would you sign it?
A: Well, that’s not going to happen.
Q: We just, [crosstalk] I want to know what, but I just want to, Senator I want to zero in on where you stand in your position on it. If they were, and I agree with you it’s very unlikely, would you sign it?
A: Right now, my stance is that I have said that banning abortion is not a solution. We have got to work together. So hopefully, hopefully, I can work together with many groups in the Chicago area, to come to some terms and present some real options where government can partner with organizations to offer true hope and choice to pregnant women. That is the goal, so there’s, that’s your answer.
* More…
Q: Representative, are you going to support the LGBTQ community?
A: Well, I believe that, you know, in biblical marriage, that marriage is between a man and a woman. But I can tell you this, I don’t, law has been created. I embrace and love everyone as Jesus loves them. I don’t intend to hinder and get in their way at all. So, as a matter of fact, one of my best friends in the House that I consider a friend that I’ve been able to work with is a Representative Greg Harris, we’ve had an amazing the two years that I served in the Senate and in the House and now in the Senate, I’ve been able to refer to him to help get things done and to bring some ideas to him and to partner with him on some bills. So, so no, this whole, Governor Pritzker twisting all this nonsense trying to make this election about to abortion, this, is a problem. And this us going to be on Governor Pritzker’s head and that’s why we’re going to win in November because the true problems in Illinois encompass everyone, and that is crime, high taxes and unsafe schools. We’re going to get those six, we’re going to bring opportunity up to Illinois. That’s what people are worried about.
- Excitable Boy - Friday, Jul 1, 22 @ 10:30 am:
- Let’s empower churches and civic groups and religious organizations to offer real help and hope to pregnant women. -
What’s stopping them, Darren?
- very old soil - Friday, Jul 1, 22 @ 10:35 am:
For some, I think the answer is hate
- Levois J - Friday, Jul 1, 22 @ 10:36 am:
Abortion and marriage are the least of my worries. I wonder if kitchen table issues will resonate more in this election. People paying for food and gas in addition to other everyday issues that are more critical.
- Our Joe - Friday, Jul 1, 22 @ 10:40 am:
And Glenn is still running for governor…of southern Illinois.
- Shibboleth - Friday, Jul 1, 22 @ 10:40 am:
=But he supports the idea of making “abortion unnecessary. Let’s empower churches and civic groups and religious organizations to offer real help and hope to pregnant women.”=
It’s interesting how the solutions for “making abortion unnecessary” are always treating the symptoms, not the cause.
I also want to make abortion unnecessary. Free contraception, comprehensive sex ed, better access to family planning resources, and research towards non-abortive ways to terminate a pregnancy are all viable strategies; not forcing someone to complete a pregnancy and assisting them in the
aftermath. We should reach a point where little to no pregnancies are unwanted.
- Marky - Friday, Jul 1, 22 @ 10:42 am:
- Let’s empower churches and civic groups and religious organizations to offer real help and hope to pregnant women. -
- What’s stopping them, Darren?
Listen, churches are suffering from the same crushing tax burden as everyone else in… oh wait, nevermind.
- Google Is Your Friend - Friday, Jul 1, 22 @ 10:42 am:
- Levois J - Friday, Jul 1, 22 @ 10:36 am:
Like how you are going to pay for the food for the child Republicans are going to force women to have?
- Shibboleth - Friday, Jul 1, 22 @ 10:43 am:
=I wonder if kitchen table issues will resonate more in this election.=
‘Nearly one in four women in the United States (23.7%) will have an abortion by age 45, according to a new analysis by Guttmacher Institute’
Abortion may not be a kitchen table issue, but I don’t think it’s fair to say it’s not an everyday issue. It may not be discussed, but I guarantee that many women in your life keep it in the back of their mind. Given the frequency at which it is needed, and the high costs associated with pregnancy, childbirth, and the raising of children, it’s still a pocketbook issue, in addition to a moral and personal choice one.
- Jocko - Friday, Jul 1, 22 @ 10:44 am:
==”I believe in biblical marriage between a man and a woman,” Bailey said.==
Nevermind that David had 8 and solomon 700.
- walker - Friday, Jul 1, 22 @ 10:47 am:
““currently with same-sex marriage, it’s the law. Illinois decided to make it a law, I understand the reasons. I will not be seeking to mess with that; “”
Where have we heard the “settled law” deflection before?
- Ron Burgundy - Friday, Jul 1, 22 @ 10:47 am:
- Let’s empower churches and civic groups and religious organizations to offer real help and hope to pregnant women. -
aka let’s mandate that religious groups can proselytize to women who want no part of them instead of letting them get actual medical care.
-“I believe in biblical marriage between a man and a woman,”-
How nice for you. However, we are talking about government here, not your church. That Constitution thing says they are supposed to be separate. Sorry for the inconvenience.
- Oswego Willy - Friday, Jul 1, 22 @ 10:48 am:
The tent revival aspects of the Bailey campaign framing will face considerable pushback from Democrats and those requiring Bailey not retreat from cultish type allegiance to Trump and his religious base that won’t want a passive take towards social agenda items.
Here I thought moving towards the middle was the hard part.
- Roadrager - Friday, Jul 1, 22 @ 10:49 am:
==- What’s stopping them, Darren?
Listen, churches are suffering from the same crushing tax burden as everyone else in… oh wait, nevermind==
Look, let’s be fair here, the Catholic Church has a lot of money it is legally obligated to spend *cough* elsewhere for *coughs harder, clears throat* reasons.
- Levois J - Friday, Jul 1, 22 @ 10:53 am:
- Google Is Your Friend - Friday, Jul 1, 22 @ ====10:42 am:
- Levois J - Friday, Jul 1, 22 @ 10:36 am:
Like how you are going to pay for the food for the child Republicans are going to force women to have?===
Wow! You don’t really believe that do you? Anytime I see anything like that it reminds me of how extreme that debate can get. Good grief!
- 47th Ward - Friday, Jul 1, 22 @ 10:54 am:
===I’m so old I remember when the Democrats nominated a southern Illinois gubernatorial candidate with those very same beliefs (Glenn Poshard, 1998).===
Yes, I remember it too. And as I recall, Poshard won the nomination with about 37% of the vote. I like to think his views on gay rights and abortion were in the minority among Democrats.
Flash forward and a lot of those Poshard voters are quite comfortable voting for Bailey.
- G'Kar - Friday, Jul 1, 22 @ 10:56 am:
==Here I thought moving towards the middle was the hard part.==
“currently with same-sex marriage, it’s the law. Illinois decided to make it a law, I understand the reasons. I will not be seeking to mess with that;” IS his effort to move to the middle. /s
- TheInvisibleMan - Friday, Jul 1, 22 @ 10:58 am:
“Let’s empower churches”
Just so we are all clear on what he means here. He means funneling public tax money into churches. Specifically his.
- Friendly Bob Adams - Friday, Jul 1, 22 @ 11:00 am:
The next interviewer should as Bailey if he intents to codify all of Leviticus.
- hisgirlfriday - Friday, Jul 1, 22 @ 11:06 am:
Can an enterprising reporter double check if he is getting his concept of “biblical marriage” from the Old or New Testament?
- H-W - Friday, Jul 1, 22 @ 11:06 am:
I haven’t read comments yet.
A few days ago, OW suggested he believes Abortion might not be “on the ballot” in November. I have to disagree. I agree that property taxes, crime, the economy, etc. will all be on the ballot. But I am firmly convinced this election will be framed around the culture war as well. Perhaps, even more so. I look at this exchange and see Bailey leading that charge as if he wants to be defined as the leader of the culture war. I also see Pritzker saying, okay, lets go down that road so as to position himself as the moderate going against the radical right.
I also am convinced that the abortion issue is not a political weapon, but instead a serious gender issue for women in our state, and in America. I think it will motivate women to the polls, and may produce a few surprises in terms of winners and losers.
The abortion issue today reminds me of the Illinois Constitutional Convention of 1824. Historical buffs may recall that the legislature removed one senator and replaced him with another so as to put slavery on the ballot (amend the Constitution). All records indicate oOne third of the voters (men) wanted to add slavery to the Consitution; one third of the voters (men) wanted to keep slavery out of the Constitution; and one third of the voters (men) did not care one way or the other.
When the final vote was cast, Illinois voters overwhelmingly voted to not amend the Constitution through a Convention. I have always assumed that the reason the anti-slavery people prevailed was because of women, not morality. I believe the women of Illinois told their husbands and sons (only men could vote), that if the voted for slavery, it would be a cold day in hell before they would forgive them. Women were the ones who attended church and listened to abolitionist sermons, not men. Men stood outside and drank with each other while women attended services.
Women put down the called for Constitutional Convention of 1824 by telling men what the would and would not accept. I believe this. And I also believe between now and November, women will be schooling mean on why people like Bailey and Mitch McConnell and Josh Hawley cannot be elected.
But I am only guessing, right?
- Odysseus - Friday, Jul 1, 22 @ 11:07 am:
Thank you, @Shibboleth.
- Jibba - Friday, Jul 1, 22 @ 11:08 am:
===People paying for food and gas in addition to other everyday issues===
Inflation isn’t really in the Governor’s control, so I don’t see prices as real issues in the race except for those who are just unhappy and won’t be voting for JB anyway. Abortion and the other hot-button social issues are state-related and it is hard to dismiss them when they are upheld by Illinois laws that can get changed.
- Papa2008 - Friday, Jul 1, 22 @ 11:09 am:
Shibboleth - You have it right. Couldn’t agree more. Well said.
- Socially DIstant Watcher - Friday, Jul 1, 22 @ 11:10 am:
==I don’t consider that an abortion==
Two ways to play this, one that he’s going back on his word and conservatives can’t trust him, try to suppress enthusiasm, and the other to say that he still takes anti-choice views on other topics, try to minimize his gains with this very slight leftward shift.
Wanna bet the Democrats do both?
- JS Mill - Friday, Jul 1, 22 @ 11:10 am:
=- Let’s empower churches and civic groups and religious organizations to offer real help and hope to pregnant women. -
What’s stopping them, Darren?=
Exactly. And which civic organizations is he talking about because I suspect none is the reality. He wants more public money (welfare) to go to his religious organizations of those aligned with his thinking as opposed to the “others”.
I don’t hear him talking about properly funding health departments or university health clinics either. Color me shocked. /s
- XonXoff - Friday, Jul 1, 22 @ 11:16 am:
// I’m so old I remember… //
I’m so old I remember hearing of coat hanger abortions among schoolmates. One girl nearly died.
- Lefty Lefty - Friday, Jul 1, 22 @ 11:17 am:
I came across this twitter thread a little while ago and bookmarked it. It deserves a read by everyone but especially anti-choice men.
(Caution - it speaks frankly about sex. I think we’re all adults here but I figured I should mention that.)
TL;DR - men need to get their acts together, and they need to own their sexual relations.
https://twitter.com/designmom/status/1040363431893725184
- Pundent - Friday, Jul 1, 22 @ 11:19 am:
=I will not be seeking to mess with that=
Bailey has one of two options. He can double down with his base, or tell him I was just kidding.
- Excessively Rabid - Friday, Jul 1, 22 @ 11:20 am:
Thank you for reminding me how much I dislike Poshard.
- Amalia - Friday, Jul 1, 22 @ 11:22 am:
Biblical marriage. your religion, dude. not that of many others. I’m so totally for a system like France. You must get married in a civil court and then you can get married in a religious ceremony. religious rule is not what we need. unless you think the Taliban are cool.
- Excitable Boy - Friday, Jul 1, 22 @ 11:42 am:
To the update, Bailey is struggling with trying to follow talking points. He’d be better off just sticking to his guns.
- Ron Burgundy - Friday, Jul 1, 22 @ 11:44 am:
Nutshell version: He would ban those things if he could. Make no mistake. He is asking people to vote for him because our current law and makeup of our legislature would prevent him from exercising his actual beliefs.
- Jocko - Friday, Jul 1, 22 @ 11:45 am:
==one of my best friends in the House==
“The Odd Couple - Illinois edition” coming this fall /s
- Ron Burgundy - Friday, Jul 1, 22 @ 11:46 am:
-one of my best friends in the House that I consider a friend that I’ve been able to work with is a Representative Greg Harris,-
Paging Greg Harris for a statement… something like Darren Bailey was pleasant to me but I am certain he would take away my rights if given the chance.
- Oswego Willy - Friday, Jul 1, 22 @ 11:47 am:
To the update;
It’s crystal clear if one reads/hears/sees…
The Bailey GOP in Illinois hold minority polled positions in every social agenda item.
There’s not one social agenda item where Bailey can stay pat to his red meat takes.
All that said, this update is great news for the Pritzker Crew, as Bailey says out loud what I’m typing here…
… Bailey’s positions pre-Tuesday… they are not only hurtful in November, those pre-Tuesday positions sink Bailey before he even leaves port.
- Oswego Willy - Friday, Jul 1, 22 @ 11:49 am:
===I consider a friend that I’ve been able to work with is a Representative Greg Harris,===
If Bailey gets Harris to support him over Pritzker, especially on social issues… that would be news.
- New Day - Friday, Jul 1, 22 @ 11:54 am:
One of my best friends in the House is Greg Harris and everyone knows he’s gay so I’m ok…
Oh good God. The man is a walking caricature. Dude, just own your bigotry. It’s easier than pretending to be something you’re not. Or did you learn nothing from the Richard Irvine fiasco???
- dbk - Friday, Jul 1, 22 @ 11:54 am:
“Let’s empower churches and civic groups and religious organizations to offer real help and hope to pregnant women.”
He might like to confer with survivors of the Magdalene Laundries about that one.
Bailey’s doing his level best to turn this into a one-issue election/campaign.
He’s succeeding with me, though not in the way he imagines.
- Donnie Elgin - Friday, Jul 1, 22 @ 12:00 pm:
“I’m so old I remember when the Democrats nominated a southern Illinois gubernatorial candidate with those very same beliefs”
Senate candidate Obama held those views in 2004…
“Marriage is between a man and a woman,” Obama says in an interview on Chicago public television during his U.S. Senate campaign, adding, “but what I also believe is that we have an obligation to make sure that gays and lesbians have the rights of citizenship that afford them visitations to hospitals, that allow them to transfer property to each other, to make sure they’re not discriminated against on the job.”
https://time.com/3816952/obama-gay-lesbian-transgender-lgbt-rights/
- DHS Drone - Friday, Jul 1, 22 @ 12:01 pm:
That link by Lefty Lefty is gold. I got a vasectomy. Mrs. Drone and I have the number of kids we want. Which is one. Relatively easy procedure. I’ve had dental visits that were harder. And I don’t consider myself especially brave or pain tolerant. It really was that easy. Vasectomies prevent abortions.
- JS Mill - Friday, Jul 1, 22 @ 12:03 pm:
To the update:
I never thought Bailey would be a good dancer and this interview proves me right.
bailey’s- I have a gay friend response was just pathetic. He will have the same lame answer when it comes to race issues.
- Dotnonymous - Friday, Jul 1, 22 @ 12:07 pm:
Farmer Darren Bailey is proving he’s good with a shovel.
- Cool Papa Bell - Friday, Jul 1, 22 @ 12:11 pm:
Bailey is now running to the center?
I need a time machine so I can read those comments to Bailey about 4 weeks ago and see if he would agree with any of them as he was seeking the GOP nomination.
Bailey is not a moderate, Bailey is not tolerant, Bailey is not telling the truth.
- Give Us Barabbas - Friday, Jul 1, 22 @ 12:16 pm:
All thru the eighties, DCFS sponsored a fostering and adoption project called;”One Church, One Child”. They would host an event at a church and bring out a kid like Jerry Lewis used to do on his telethons, and try to get a church member to come forward to adopt or foster.
I don’t think it was that effective.
- Pundent - Friday, Jul 1, 22 @ 12:17 pm:
Tent revival campaigns are a lot like churches. Parishioners (friends) tend to agree with you. It’s the reason that you were able to get them to show up in the first place. But that’s not how general elections work. Bailey is now tasked with taking his message from the mass to the masses. It’s something he’s never done before. And he’s got a formidable opponent.
- don the legend - Friday, Jul 1, 22 @ 12:26 pm:
Bailey will be interviewed multiple times a week, every week until the election. This poor fool will be so twisted in his double talk, lies and just plain babble.
Can’t wait.
- Homebody - Friday, Jul 1, 22 @ 12:28 pm:
Bailey is doing the normal conservative playbook: pretend everything is set in stone until you’re in a position to actually undo it. This is what the right wing has been saying and doing for decades.
Pritzker is right not only to hammer Bailey with it, but to tie him to the national right wing movement. There are numerous high profile examples that can be pointed to, including the very public confirmation hearings of multiple SCOTUS justices.
The right wingers will always say “oh that’s settled law” or “that won’t happen” and they will call you names or act personally offended when you suggest they are misleading.
- Huh? - Friday, Jul 1, 22 @ 12:28 pm:
What drone said x2
- Club J - Friday, Jul 1, 22 @ 12:32 pm:
I’m sorry this is so late. I’ve been dizzy after reading that interview with Darren Bailey. That man can talk in circles. Someone who doesn’t know him would think he’s in favor of the abortion laws and same sex marriage laws. My head still hurts.
- City Guy - Friday, Jul 1, 22 @ 12:34 pm:
Biblical Marriage? So he is in favor of polygamy, treating the wife as chattel, and banning divorce?
- Chicago Blue - Friday, Jul 1, 22 @ 12:37 pm:
Bailey is trying to do exactly what Rick Snyder did in Michigan with Right to Work. DON’T fall for it.
- Anonymous - Friday, Jul 1, 22 @ 12:37 pm:
“…..the true problems in Illinois encompass everyone,…” blank off Bailey. your dismissive attitude towards not just half of the population, but the entire population because reproduction takes two, is just stunning. blank off.
- Amalia - Friday, Jul 1, 22 @ 12:38 pm:
sorry, anonymous was me. I’m owning my anger. he is a horror show.
- DougChicago - Friday, Jul 1, 22 @ 12:43 pm:
As a Republican I honestly wish Senator Bailey well and will vote for him.
But he is already beginning to spiral out of control.
He honestly needs to take a little vacation time and sit down with his advisers and try and work some of this out.
Maybe have a surrogate or two try and get the word out about the kitchen table issues noted above (throw in a little about crime) and then reengage when you have better talking points.
It is a short campaign (relative to Illinois norms) but my god if he doesn’t hit pause for a moment he is going to blather himself into a hole so deep with these stupid radio interviews that there will be utterly no hope (and he has little hope to begin with).
- Just Sayin - Friday, Jul 1, 22 @ 12:50 pm:
==And Glenn is still running for governor…of southern Illinois.==
I wonder what percentage of Glenn’s voters in 1998 are planning to vote for Darren this year? Poshard was one of the last Democrat to carry many Eastern Bloc counties, back when some of those exact same areas may have even been Democratic strongholds (especially in southern Illinois).
- Rudy’s teeth - Friday, Jul 1, 22 @ 12:50 pm:
Bailey will struggle with interviews and questions in the weeks and months ahead. Steve Cochran’s interview was a train wreck for Bailey.
Bailey lacks the ability to speak extemporaneously and confidently about the issues facing Illinois. Bailey’s meet and greets were to his base. As the weeks move along, Bailey will crumple like a cheap suit.
- Oswego Willy - Friday, Jul 1, 22 @ 12:53 pm:
=== Maybe have a surrogate or two try and get the word out about the kitchen table issues noted above (throw in a little about crime) and then reengage when you have better talking points.===
Wholly ignoring that Pritzker will paint Bailey as dangerous to women’s health or Bailey’s religious takes towards other social issues… you own your words. Pritzker’s gonna make Bailey own words spoken weeks and months ago at a very expensive clip.
- Oswego Willy - Friday, Jul 1, 22 @ 12:56 pm:
=== A few days ago, OW suggested he believes Abortion might not be “on the ballot” in November. I have to disagree. ===
I never said, and have never said, any such thing.
If you missed snark, sorry.
Frankly, it’s the opposite, stating as early as March that I felt abortion would be a huge deal, maybe even in the primary.
You can make points without including me as your premise. Stand on your own thoughts, or please check more carefully to others.
Thanks.
- Oswego Willy - Friday, Jul 1, 22 @ 12:58 pm:
===Senate candidate Obama held those views in 2004…===
You could ask former President Obama when he’s next in town checking on his presidential library progress?
- Pundent - Friday, Jul 1, 22 @ 1:23 pm:
=He honestly needs to take a little vacation time and sit down with his advisers and try and work some of this out.=
I’m not sure how he’s going to work this out. Bailey has said some pretty bombastic things over the years and “biblical marriage” is only the tip of the iceberg. How’s he going to walk back his plans to have the rest of the state secede from Chicago because they don’t “share our values?”
Some things can’t really be unspun. And if the first 72 hours are any indication, I don’t think the Pritzker campaign has a vacation in their immediate plans. Bailey’s immediate goal is to avoid being swamped by his own words in the first week. Because if that happens he’ll spend the rest of his campaign explaining. And you know what they say about that.
- Ron Burgundy - Friday, Jul 1, 22 @ 1:28 pm:
Bailey is starting to experience a case of Irvin-itis. He now has to tell people he is something that he is not. Acting is hard.
- Strategy Geek - Friday, Jul 1, 22 @ 1:44 pm:
After a deep soul-searching session with his pastor and his pollster, Bailey has flip-flopped away from his support for a total abortion ban until after Nov. 8.
- filmmaker prof - Friday, Jul 1, 22 @ 2:21 pm:
No person who truly believes in Jesus Christ and his teachings would ever support Donald Trump for president.
This is simple stuff folks.
- H-W - Friday, Jul 1, 22 @ 3:04 pm:
Sorry about that, OW. I am mistaken.
- Proud Papa Bear - Friday, Jul 1, 22 @ 3:10 pm:
Not only does Darren Bailey have a gay friend, but he also once unapologetically performed the YMCA at a football game.
- Proud Sucker - Friday, Jul 1, 22 @ 3:40 pm:
Does Darren also have a black friend? Just wondering.
- Oswego Willy - Friday, Jul 1, 22 @ 3:42 pm:
- H-W -
All good, no harm, no foul.
You make excellent points on a great many topics, you don’t need me to express yourself as well as you normally do.
Be well.
- Rudy’s teeth - Friday, Jul 1, 22 @ 3:52 pm:
About the Full Armor Christian Academy, a K-12 school founded by the Bailey family…curious about the scholastic programs. Band orchestra, vocal music, speech and theater, IT, foreign language or AP classes for students.
Where do most students matriculate for college? Anyone, anyone.