* The Senate Republicans picked up one (Erica Conway Harris defeated appointed Sen. Kris Tharp), maybe two (Sen. Michael Hastings trails by a sliver) seats. So, the SDems’ super majority goes from 41 down to 40 40 or possibly 39. With that in mind…
Senate Republican Leader Dan McConchie released the below statement following a productive night for the Senate Republican Caucus:
“Thousands of voters across the state have said ‘enough’ to the Democrats’ call for more power. Thanks to their resiliency, the Illinois Senate will be adding to the strength of the Caucus and will continue to serve as strong voices for the people of Illinois, who are dissatisfied with the failed policies that have come out of Springfield and want to see change.
“Unfortunately, the Democrats’ rigged system, which created some of the most gerrymandered districts we’ve ever seen, disproportionately benefits them and leaves thousands across the state without a real voice in their elections. To those people who were silenced, we will fight for you. We will be your voice when you weren’t given one. We haven’t given up, neither should you.
“The Senate Republican Caucus is ready to work on behalf of the people of this great state and will continue to advocate for policies that root out corruption, help families and businesses thrive, and keep our communities safe.”
- Thoughts - Wednesday, Nov 9, 22 @ 10:48 am:
Who was left without a voice? As far as I can tell, the only people without a voice are those who didn’t show up at the polls. This cycle had more competitive races than any other in modern history. Many of the races somewhat close. That’s democracy in action.
- Ok - Wednesday, Nov 9, 22 @ 10:50 am:
He might be happier in Florida as well, where the rigged system rings red.
- Ron Burgundy - Wednesday, Nov 9, 22 @ 10:52 am:
“The system is rigged against us giving the people of Illinois what they don’t want.” - Dan McConchie, probably.
- Oswego Willy - Wednesday, Nov 9, 22 @ 10:52 am:
This is why the ILGOP is an utter and complete (statewides, Congressional seats, Supreme Court, both ILGA chambers)
Election deniers lost yesterday. We run fair and free elections.
This is disgraceful
- Just Me 2 - Wednesday, Nov 9, 22 @ 10:55 am:
I unfortunately have to agree with his complaint about gerrymandering. With the benefit of technology the carving of districts is obscene. Both parties do it when they can, and it is gross both ways.
Legislators should not be able to go into a “secret” room in the Stratton building and then use a mouse to instantly re-draw their own boundaries. I honestly can’t think of anything more corrupt than that.
I know a legislator who bragged to me he was able to re-draw his district to bring in a local business away from the neighboring district (that was represented by a freshman) so he could ask that business to donate money to his campaign fund. How is that okay?
- Arsenal - Wednesday, Nov 9, 22 @ 10:55 am:
You look at all the MAGA guys who conceded without issue last night and even all the talking heads who readily admitted that this was a problem for Republicans and you can see that McConchie has a problem zigging when everyone else is zagging.
- Rabid - Wednesday, Nov 9, 22 @ 10:55 am:
Still searching for the silent majority
- SouthwestSoccerDad - Wednesday, Nov 9, 22 @ 10:55 am:
Substance is there messaging style is not. Going off about gerrymandering is fair but making it sound like you’re an election denier is not cool. By all accounts Sheehans run a hard fair race and is accepting the results whether he wins or lose so I advise McConchie to do the same.
- One Trick Pony - Wednesday, Nov 9, 22 @ 10:56 am:
The first part of resolving a problem is admitting that you have one.
- Pundent - Wednesday, Nov 9, 22 @ 10:57 am:
=Unfortunately, the Democrats’ rigged system, which created some of the most gerrymandered districts we’ve ever seen=
Democratic candidates won statewide races by double digits on average. You can’t blame that on a map. And McConchie should see the results and narrow victory of his own race as a wake-up call. Seems like he’s not quite ready to learn the lessons that yesterday’s results should dictate.
- MisterJayEm - Wednesday, Nov 9, 22 @ 10:57 am:
The important thing is that Dan McConchie and his party not learn a damn thing from last night’s election results.
– MrJM
- Suburban Operative - Wednesday, Nov 9, 22 @ 10:59 am:
Big words coming from a “leader” who just barely survived an election himself (possibly still tentative given VBM’s).
- Old time Independent - Wednesday, Nov 9, 22 @ 11:00 am:
-OW- so here’s what else is wrong the biggest election denier is Cook County GOP Chairman and Commissioner Sean Morrison. Since he’s been in office every single elected Republican in Cook has lost re-election. He got $200,000 from a Griffin fund 2 months ago courtesy of Mike Z and instead of helping other R’s get elected he kept it all.
The problem starts at the top with all the leaders in the Illinois GOP.
- Chicago Republican - Wednesday, Nov 9, 22 @ 11:00 am:
well, the maps are rigged….so there is that…
- Oswego Willy - Wednesday, Nov 9, 22 @ 11:00 am:
===Democratic candidates won statewide races by double digits on average.===
Ball game.
The rejection was on many tiers. Thinking a nap at this point is where this sits is a play to big pocket donors willing to give cash to McConchie or give it to Proft… or throw it in a fireplace by the tens of thousands.
Is McConchie making a case that the ILGOP didn’t lose on their policy or political thoughts?
- Oswego Willy - Wednesday, Nov 9, 22 @ 11:02 am:
===Cook County GOP Chairman and Commissioner Sean Morrison. Since he’s been in office every single elected Republican in Cook has lost re-election.===
Fioretti and Peraica… I mean… is Morrison even trying? I thought Cook County would embrace “law and order” types. Recruitment is quite the fail. Checks are still nice for the leaders
You’re on it.
- Suburban Operative - Wednesday, Nov 9, 22 @ 11:03 am:
I’m sure Hastings will pull it off with the VBM’s still coming in. Election isn’t certified for another two weeks.
- Techie - Wednesday, Nov 9, 22 @ 11:05 am:
Clearly Illinoisians as a whole were not having it with the GOP this election.
That said, gerrymandering is a problem, but I think it will remain one until there is some kind of a national solution. Expecting a dominant party, such as the Dems in IL, to forego partisan gerrymanders when Republicans in FL will not forego partisan gerrymanders is a completely unrealistic expectation.
- NIU Grad - Wednesday, Nov 9, 22 @ 11:07 am:
My man just declared victory after picking up one seat.
- Old time Independent - Wednesday, Nov 9, 22 @ 11:15 am:
-OW- is he even trying? Great point and my answer to that is obviously not. JMO he wants to be the only voice left standing in the Cook GOP. The question begs to be answered how does the other 79 Cook GOP Committeeman let it happen?
- Streator Curmudgeon - Wednesday, Nov 9, 22 @ 11:21 am:
Like Democrats are the only ones guilty of gerrymandering? When they can, Republican-dominated states do it too.
Pot, meet kettle.
- Excitable Boy - Wednesday, Nov 9, 22 @ 11:21 am:
- which created some of the most gerrymandered districts we’ve ever seen, disproportionately benefits them and leaves thousand -
A map that gave you back one, possibly two, seats? You ever think maybe this is a you problem?
- Oswego Willy - Wednesday, Nov 9, 22 @ 11:21 am:
===The question begs to be answered how does the other 79 Cook GOP Committeeman let it happen?===
The Chicago GOP endorses Democrats for Chicago mayor.
That sums up quite a bit.
Be well.
- Honeybear - Wednesday, Nov 9, 22 @ 11:21 am:
The charge of “rigged” is so so corrosive to free and fair elections and democracy itself.
Look, at some point, I hope every American learns Murray Bowen’s concept of “ self differentiation”. These election deniers and rigged evangelists are poorly self differentiated individuals. Thus when their political party loses, it’s as if their very sense of self is being called a looser. To escape this they deny fairness to psychologically give themselves an out. This is a psychological malady we’re talking about here. The same goes for the rampant usage of whataboutism and gaslighting. Those are the actions of poorly self differentiated people.
- DuPage Saint - Wednesday, Nov 9, 22 @ 11:23 am:
Just because you lose does not mean election is rigged,stolen,hacked by Russians, bought by Soros or Uhlien, ballots stuffed or hidden. Some times you lose because candidate is bad. And last time I checked even though many so not like it Gerrymandering is legal and therefore Gerrymandered is not rigging but political
- ArchPundit - Wednesday, Nov 9, 22 @ 11:26 am:
Dems will end up +8 Seats in the Senate or so over Pritzker performance as a percentage which is not good, but it’s not as rigged as he suggests either. Illinois should reduce the gerrymandering, but it’s not as extreme as he would like to claim as the excuse for his performance.
- RNUG - Wednesday, Nov 9, 22 @ 11:27 am:
== Still searching for the silent majority ==
It’s an old adage, but probably still true: Republicans need to get out of the voter’s bedrooms and Democrats need to get out of voter’s wallets.
Whichever party that can do that successfully will likely find the moderate silent majority.
- Lucky Pierre - Wednesday, Nov 9, 22 @ 11:33 am:
Of course it’s a system rigged by Democrats
JB promised voters he would not sign a map drawn by politicians
The Map drawn by Democratic politicians was successful in disenfranchising Republicans
The Miller, Lahood and Bost Congressional districts combined margin of victory was 317,000 votes
The margin in the contested districts Democrats won
Underwood- 17 K
Budzinski- 19K
Foster- 29K
Krishnamoorthi= 25K
Casten- 20 K
King-8 K
total 118K
Mission accomplished!
- Mr. Middle Ground - Wednesday, Nov 9, 22 @ 11:37 am:
=== That said, gerrymandering is a problem, but I think it will remain one until there is some kind of a national solution.===
I agree this needs to be a bipartisan cause with leaders from both parties stepping up across the country. Obama and Holder have a great program called All On The Line. Granted it only targets Republican states but we have to start somewhere in this fight.
- Excessively Rabid - Wednesday, Nov 9, 22 @ 11:39 am:
I don’t like gerrymandering, but Republicans complaining about it in today’s environment is pretty rich. It might as well be one of their national platform planks. If the GA stays the course, they’ve been doing all right, and in four more years the state will be in much better shape. It would be good if they could coordinate better with JB, but that might be on him.
- Demoralized - Wednesday, Nov 9, 22 @ 11:40 am:
The Republicans will continue to remain in the minority with McConchie’s attitude. “We lost but it’s not our fault.” Republicans can never seem to learn anything in this state. They just whine when things don’t go their way instead of looking at how they can become more electable.
- Flying Elvis'-Utah Chapter - Wednesday, Nov 9, 22 @ 11:41 am:
“Democrats need to get out of voter’s wallets.”
Yeah, no.
Some of the biggest tax increases in U.S. history were signed by Reagan and Bush Sr.
One of the oldest tropes of the tired GOP is that they know what’s best for the economy.
- Big Dipper - Wednesday, Nov 9, 22 @ 11:43 am:
It’s always the loser who is clamoring for fair maps. If the GOP had won they would love the map.
- Excitable Boy - Wednesday, Nov 9, 22 @ 11:45 am:
- One of the oldest tropes of the tired GOP is that they know what’s best for the economy. -
Or that they’re in any way the party of fiscal responsibility.
- Elmo - Wednesday, Nov 9, 22 @ 11:47 am:
The Senate Democrats wisely and effectively used McConchie’s prior career as an anti-abortion activist against him and his candidates. They never stood a chance and he can never be a believable moderate. It wasn’t the map Dan, it was you. This is a weak response from a weak leader and McConchie should be the next to go.
- Hannibal Lecter - Wednesday, Nov 9, 22 @ 11:48 am:
=== I’m sure Hastings will pull it off with the VBM’s still coming in. Election isn’t certified for another two weeks. ===
And then what happens when he wins?
- Thomas Paine - Wednesday, Nov 9, 22 @ 12:03 pm:
I am so old, I remember when Bruce Rauner promised that Durkin and McConchie would be holding the gavel today.
Madigan is gone, the names of the billionaires filling GOP coffers have changed, but the outcome remains the same.
All signs point to a very, very bad 2024 for McConchie and Ozinga unless the GOP comes up with a new game plan.
Enjoy your irrelevance and best of luck with your candidate recruitment, leaders.
- (618) Democrat - Wednesday, Nov 9, 22 @ 12:08 pm:
=Thousands of voters across the state have said ‘enough’ to the Democrats’ call for more power.=
Was McConchie looking at the Illinois election results or election results from another state?
- Norseman - Wednesday, Nov 9, 22 @ 12:08 pm:
McConchie shows that he’s not capable of learning. His use of “rigged” demonstrates he still wants to play the MAGA game.
- Bull Durham - Wednesday, Nov 9, 22 @ 12:10 pm:
The word “rigged” is now a trope with a vaguely Trumpian sound since he says it so frequently, the gist being that the election was manipulated or controlled by deceptive or dishonest means. Disadvantaging the opposition by mapmaking is neither. Frustrating, yes. Not in the state’s best interest, possibly. But neither dishonest nor corrupt.
- Roman - Wednesday, Nov 9, 22 @ 12:12 pm:
== Still searching for the silent majority ==
Seems to me they actually spend most their time catering to the opposite: the loud minority.
- Amalia - Wednesday, Nov 9, 22 @ 12:14 pm:
Yeah, my party created the districts so you can complain. but statewide you got crushed. why is that? because your party is filled with deniers, and outright haters, and those who would restrict the rights of women to decide their own bodily destiny. that statewide microphone affects things for you everywhere. sorry. not sorry.
- Franklin - Wednesday, Nov 9, 22 @ 12:15 pm:
JB is the rich kid who shows up to the soap box derby in a F1 car and then gloats about how his driving made the difference. No need to win hearts and minds when you can just buy them.
- Oswego Willy - Wednesday, Nov 9, 22 @ 12:18 pm:
===No need to win hearts and minds when you can just buy them.===
Are you saying that Bailey, a Trump supporter, pro-life, no exceptions, pro 2A with a video telling people to “move on” after a mass shooting…
Are you saying that candidate wins in Illinois?
If you’re not, then your grapes are quite sour
- Franklin - Wednesday, Nov 9, 22 @ 12:25 pm:
JB spent 50 million to get him through the primary. That could fund an entire F1 team. Pointing it out isn’t sour grapes. I’ll get off your lawn now.
- Joe Bidenopolous - Wednesday, Nov 9, 22 @ 12:33 pm:
Language matters and Dan’s language is unacceptable.
I will allow a fair map proposal after the first red state does it, never before.
But, if you want to see what happens when the pen is taken out of Republican’s hands, look no further than Michigan. They passed fair maps by referendum in 2018. This year, Dens took the house for the first time since 2010 and the senate for the first time since *1984*
- Oswego Willy - Wednesday, Nov 9, 22 @ 12:39 pm:
===JB spent 50 million to get him through the primary. That could fund an entire F1 team.===
It’s his money. He won. Winning is a better ROI.
I see you didn’t answer…
===Are you saying that Bailey, a Trump supporter, pro-life, no exceptions, pro 2A with a video telling people to “move on” after a mass shooting…
Are you saying that candidate wins in Illinois?===
Take your time, don’t hurt yourself.
- H-W - Wednesday, Nov 9, 22 @ 12:52 pm:
Here’s the problem with your logic, Mr. Leader.
You want two ideas to have equal voice and equal representation, when in fact those ideas are not equally prized.
A majority of the citizenry prefers one set of ideas over another. This has been demonstrated several times, enough now that it has produced a supermajority.
The ideas you wish to bring are not necessarily of no value. But they are not of equal value either.
If you truly wish to govern, and you truly wish for your ideas to be incorporated into the workings of our shared communities, then you must be willing to tease out what aspects of your beliefs and values will resonate with the majority’s beliefs and values.
Unfortunately, your approach only compels the majority of our citizenry to reject your ideas at face value, because you present them as alternatives, rather than possible additions to the views of the majority.
You cannot expect equal weighing of your ideas, when the people have consistently rejected your ideas at face-value.
You need to learn to work with the majority, rather than working against it.
- Huh? - Wednesday, Nov 9, 22 @ 2:15 pm:
===No need to win hearts and minds when you can just buy them.===
And how much did uline spend attempting to buy hearts and minds?
Pot meet kettle.
- Franklin - Wednesday, Nov 9, 22 @ 2:28 pm:
Pox on both their houses.
- Capt O - Wednesday, Nov 9, 22 @ 2:32 pm:
== And then what happens when he wins?=
He’s a State Senator
- Lt Guv - Wednesday, Nov 9, 22 @ 2:33 pm:
The good leader needs to be reminded the House Ds won the chamber in ‘96 on a Pate gerrymandered map. Alas, knowing or learning history is inconvenient.
- Arsenal - Wednesday, Nov 9, 22 @ 2:43 pm:
==JB spent 50 million to get him through the primary.==
The only reason Bailey didn’t spend that much money is that no one wanted to give it to him.
- Hannibal Lecter - Wednesday, Nov 9, 22 @ 2:44 pm:
== And then what happens when he wins?=
=== He’s a State Senator ===
Thank you to the master of the obvious for pointing that out. The question is, what is Harmon going to do in term of committee chair appointments? How is he going to participate in the governing side of things and represent his district’s interest when he is effectively a persona non-grata.
- Louis G Atsaves - Wednesday, Nov 9, 22 @ 2:46 pm:
Gerrymandering districts is about as anti-Democratic as you can get. It affects decisions to run in a gerrymandered district, fundraising, and rounding up volunteers, which is worsened if the district is gerrymandered against you. Good, bright candidates will almost always take a pass on running against such headwinds. Others learn the hard way and vanish after the election, never to be seen or heard from again.
I’ve run campaigns in next to impossible to win districts, and in districts where the candidate has an advantage. Big difference in fundraising, volunteers and campaigning.
Pretending otherwise is pretty disingenuous.
In New York State where their version of their Supreme Court kicked back severely gerrymandered districts, Democrats accustomed to winning suddenly lost or were drawn into the same districts.
In Illinois, we giggle and pretend that gerrymandering is not an issue. Or we pretend that they stood a chance similar to winning the lottery that they could win.
Ask the great promiser who claimed that he would never sign a gerrymander bill into law, the current Governor of Illinois.
- Oswego Willy - Wednesday, Nov 9, 22 @ 2:54 pm:
Total lack of self awareness… total.
===In New York State where their version of their Supreme Court kicked back severely gerrymandered districts, Democrats accustomed to winning suddenly lost or were drawn into the same districts.===
So here, the Counselor not only is fine with Dems being “packed” and losing after first writing this… lol
===Gerrymandering districts is about as anti-Democratic as you can get. It affects decisions to run in a gerrymandered district, fundraising, and rounding up volunteers, which is worsened if the district is gerrymandered against you. Good, bright candidates will almost always take a pass on running against such headwinds. Others learn the hard way and vanish after the election, never to be seen or heard from again.===
So, let’s look at the glee about a court packing Dems, but the whine first at the process… it’s like self-awareness is a missing thought, in one paragraph.
But, let’s not forget the Counselor is a victim of circumstance, as always.
===In Illinois, we giggle and pretend that gerrymandering is not an issue. Or we pretend that they stood a chance similar to winning the lottery that they could win.===
… and yet in merely one paragraph separating his glee, the victimhood is real, it’s almost like two sides of one’s persona wrote it.
It’s embarrassing to put these three paragraphs as one thought.
It’s a flashing red light
“I’m a partisan masquerading as a concerned citizen. Ask me”
- Oswego Willy - Wednesday, Nov 9, 22 @ 2:59 pm:
===JB promised voters he would not sign a map drawn by politicians===
Voters overwhelmingly re-elected Pritzker. If it were a big deal, voters woulda said so.
I know you support the likes of Mary Miller, and other Trumpkin types, maybe some insurrection apologists, because you literally listed those you felt got a raw deal.
Did you vote for Bailey to punish Pritzker for signing the map?
===The Map drawn by Democratic politicians was successful in disenfranchising Republicans===
Gotta be honest, 2-4 seats were not slam dunk wins.
But, you support those who are insurrection apologists or conspiracy theorists as your candidates, voters really don’t care about maps.
- Franklin - Wednesday, Nov 9, 22 @ 3:00 pm:
Holy smokes OW, your team won. Whatabout, whatabout, strawman, whatabout, strawman. You won. Take a break. Celebrate. You can go a few hours without having to shout down anyone who hurts your partisan fee-fees.
- Oswego Willy - Wednesday, Nov 9, 22 @ 3:03 pm:
===You can go a few hours without having to shout down anyone who hurts your partisan fee-fees.===
That’s adorable.
“Don’t challenge me, I got stuff to say”
LOL
My in-law uncle handles it better than you
- Louis G Atsaves - Wednesday, Nov 9, 22 @ 3:04 pm:
***Total lack of self awareness… total.***
The self awareness is coming out of Oswego, Illinois. Who thinks gerrymandering is the American way to Democracy and is appalled that courts in other states strike them down.
You have something against fair maps. Then explain why unfair maps are truly Democracy in action.
- Oswego Willy - Wednesday, Nov 9, 22 @ 3:08 pm:
===Who thinks gerrymandering is the American way to Democracy and is appalled that courts in other states strike them down.===
You just supported gerrymandering in NY.
I stated until there’s a national movement to have it for all states under the same parameters.
===Then explain why unfair maps are truly Democracy in action.===
“Asked and answered, counselor, twice”
Anything else?
- Louis G Atsaves - Wednesday, Nov 9, 22 @ 3:13 pm:
***You just supported gerrymandering in NY.***
I supported a court in the State of NY finding gerrymandering unconstitutional and forcing another map.
Pay. Attention. For. Once.
- Oswego Willy - Wednesday, Nov 9, 22 @ 3:15 pm:
===I supported a court in the State of NY finding gerrymandering unconstitutional and forcing another map.===
So you just favor “constitutional gerrymandering”
No further questions.
- The Velvet Frog - Wednesday, Nov 9, 22 @ 3:16 pm:
I’d love to see gerrymandering fixed at the national level. Democratic reps have been pushing for that for years. If you have a problem with it, tell the GOP folks to get on board.
If the GOP takes back the house, most of those flipped seats are coming from drawing new maps.
- Oswego Willy - Wednesday, Nov 9, 22 @ 3:17 pm:
- Louis G Atsaves -
Were these maps put in front of a judge that you are complaining about?
- Dysfunction Junction - Wednesday, Nov 9, 22 @ 3:19 pm:
The latest episode of “This American Life” covered this topic in painstaking detail, using the example of Ohio - where a non-gerrymandered map was actually mandated by their state supreme court. It’s painful to listen to the tricks lawmakers used to avoid making common-sense changes. TL:DR - R’s ran out the clock and the old gerrymandered maps were the ones used in yesterday’s election to ensure Ohio stayed red.
Anyone complaining about LP and Louis Atsave’s protests should give it a listen and hear how Dems say the same thing in other states. And LP and Louis should give it a listen just for the sake of self-awareness. Do you really want all states to do what you’re proposing for Illinois? Or do you sympathize with the Ohio Republican lawmakers featured in the story? Goose, meet gander.
- Oswego Willy - Wednesday, Nov 9, 22 @ 3:22 pm:
- Louis G Atsaves -
https://www.democracydocket.com/alerts/federal-court-upholds-illinois-new-legislative-maps/
“Pay. Attention. For. Once.”
- Lucky Pierre - Wednesday, Nov 9, 22 @ 3:25 pm:
How on earth did Mary Miller get a raw deal? She won 71% with a surplus of 120,000 votes
Mike Bost in District 12 won 75% with a surplus of 120,000 votes
It is the Republicans and Independents who got a raw deal in
District 17 where Eric Sorensen had 119,000 votes vs 110,000 for Esther Joy King
District 14 where Lauren Underwood received 124,000 votes and her opponent received 107,000 votes
District 13 where Nikki Budzinski received 129,000 votes and her opponent Regan Deering received 106,000 votes
- The Velvet Frog - Wednesday, Nov 9, 22 @ 3:28 pm:
I’m glad people are concerned about the problems with gerrymandering. While we’re at it, can we also deal with the rigged systems known as the electoral college and the senate?
- Oswego Willy - Wednesday, Nov 9, 22 @ 3:33 pm:
===How on earth did Mary Miller get a raw deal? She won 71% with a surplus of 120,000 votes
Mike Bost in District 12 won 75% with a surplus of 120,000 votes===
You’re glad they won, you suport them.
Why are you now skipping Casten’s opponent, and Foster’s opponent… don’t you support the likes of… Lauf… Pekau…
Of course you do.
- Arsenal - Wednesday, Nov 9, 22 @ 3:33 pm:
==She won 71% with a surplus of 120,000 votes==
What is the amount of votes than a winner is allowed to win by that does not constitute a “raw deal” for supporters of the loser?
- Oswego Willy - Wednesday, Nov 9, 22 @ 3:36 pm:
===the amount of votes than a winner is allowed to win by===
Democracy… but within an accepted win window…
lol
- Louis G Atsaves - Wednesday, Nov 9, 22 @ 3:37 pm:
Oswego, that federal case alleged racial gerrymandering. Federal Court. Not a State Supreme Court.
Nice try, though. Now try to keep up.
- Oswego Willy - Wednesday, Nov 9, 22 @ 3:39 pm:
===federal case alleged racial gerrymandering. Federal Court. Not a State Supreme Court.
Nice try, though. Now try to keep up.===
So, again, counselor… you want constitutional gerrymandering
Dude, you want what you want as long as your opponent can’t get what they get.
Hypocrite to the process.
I can keep up, pounding a table isn’t hard to follow, it’s amusing
- Oswego Willy - Wednesday, Nov 9, 22 @ 3:41 pm:
- Louis G Atsaves -
You against maps that are meet the constitutional hurdles of racial equity to voting?
Huh.
That’s an odd take.
You think the federal courts got it wrong?
- The Velvet Frog - Wednesday, Nov 9, 22 @ 3:56 pm:
SCOTUS has made it clear that they don’t have a problem with gerrymandering for the sake of politics. Racial gerrymandering is another issue but that may change as well with the new court.
I don’t like gerrymandering but if it’s legal then it’s hard to expect one side to not take advantage while the other side is.
- Norseman - Wednesday, Nov 9, 22 @ 5:24 pm:
=== I supported a court in the State of NY finding gerrymandering unconstitutional and forcing another map. ===
So, Louis, are you opposed to the independent legislature theory? You can’t crow about a state court ruling and then not be opposed to the MAGA GOP’s push for SCOTUS to adopt that theory. Otherwise, you’re showing your hypocrisy stripe.
- Mr. Middle Ground - Wednesday, Nov 9, 22 @ 9:39 pm:
=== If the GOP takes back the house, most of those flipped seats are coming from drawing new maps.===
FiveThirtyEight says Democrats came out slightly ahead on gerrymandering. Further, CNN has the house popular vote at 52-46% for Republicans. So no, if Republicans win a majority in the house it is because they won on issues (even if less than expected).
- Mr. Middle Ground - Wednesday, Nov 9, 22 @ 9:50 pm:
=== I can keep up, pounding a table isn’t hard to follow, it’s amusing===
Well Louis, I suggest you give up. This is what OW does when he’s lost the argument. Roughly the equivalent of when my daughter sticks her fingers in her ears and stamps her feet. No point in arguing. Partisans are going to partisan.
- Oswego Willy - Thursday, Nov 10, 22 @ 4:57 am:
===FiveThirtyEight says Democrats came out slightly ahead on gerrymandering. Further, CNN has the house popular vote at 52-46% for Republicans. So no, if Republicans win a majority in the house it is because they won on issues (even if less than expected).===
Cite please.
===I suggest you give up. This is what OW does when he’s lost the argument.===
Friend, - Louis G Atsaves - is saying that he first believe the 14th Amendment isn’t a good measure for a court to say gerrymandering is ok, but says the NY state court that allows gerrymandering is fine.
Please stop. Maybe you should pay attention better and realize hypocrisy
But it sounds like you still respect me, LOL
- Oswego Willy - Thursday, Nov 10, 22 @ 5:08 am:
===Partisans are going to partisan===
Sure, Jan. I’m so partisan I want a national uniformed way for gerrymandering to work.
Here’s your 538 cite.
===Although Republicans went into the cycle with control over drawing more districts, the number of Democratic-leaning seats actually increased as a result of redistricting. The new maps have six more Democratic-leaning seats than the old ones and the same number of Republican-leaning seats. This is due to aggressive map-drawing by Democrats in states such as Illinois as well as court decisions overturning Republican gerrymanders in states like North Carolina.===
Six seats. That’s 1.3% seat advantage? Also pointing out “overturning Republican gerrymanders”… I guess that means North Carolina, as an example, was “worse”… Illinois’ held, federal court ruling, notwithstanding.
- Oswego Willy - Thursday, Nov 10, 22 @ 5:21 am:
===Republicans win a majority in the house it is because they won on issues (even if less than expected).===
LOL
It’s a midterm election.
What, you expected Dems to hold a slim House advantage?
If the Senate holds (statewide elections) at 50-50 or the Dems take a seat (51-49) are you going to say “well, you know, the states themselves must be gerrymandered, look at the House seats”?
You call me a partisan?
Physician, heal thyself.
- Louis G Atsaves - Thursday, Nov 10, 22 @ 9:44 am:
You needed three long postings saying nothing of substance in support of your gerrymandering positions other than name calling.
As you can tell in between your misplaced ridicule, I am anti-gerrymandering, period. I am anti-gerrymandering in Illinois, and I am anti-gerrymandering nationwide. I am anti-gerrymandering when Democrats do it, and I am anti-gerrymandering when Republicans do it.
I have given my reasons for it. I have run campaigns that were hopeless in gerrymandered districts and have concisely stated my position. Get over yourself for once.
- Oswego Willy - Thursday, Nov 10, 22 @ 9:51 am:
Oh - Louis G Atsaves -
LOL
Three separate points. It seems reading isn’t fundamental for some.
===As you can tell in between your misplaced ridicule, I am anti-gerrymandering, period. I am anti-gerrymandering in Illinois, and I am anti-gerrymandering nationwide. I am anti-gerrymandering when Democrats do it, and I am anti-gerrymandering when Republicans do it.===
If you actually read and keep up, you would’ve read, twice, counselor
===I stated until there’s a national movement to have it for all states under the same parameters.===
You also stated this.
===I supported a court in the State of NY finding gerrymandering unconstitutional and forcing another map.===
… while up in arms about the Illinois map meeting the VRA benchmarks.
===Get over yourself for once.===
You feel that the federal court got it wrong with an Illinois map netting VRA benchmarks… but are cool with NY ruling as they do.
Until it’s a national measure that equity is uniformed… this hypocrisy is normal, even for you.
- Midwestern - Thursday, Nov 10, 22 @ 10:22 am:
Yet another example of GOP electoral incompetence. Instead of focusing on actually beating Dem incumbents, McConchie whines about gerrymandering—about which nothing can be done to 2031.
People, and this includes voters, don’t like whiners. Time is better spent identifying what folks genuinely cat about and I don’t know, maybe explicate viable solutions.
- Louis G Atsaves - Thursday, Nov 10, 22 @ 10:43 am:
Here we go again. Mr. OW never, ever misbehaves. With that, this discussion is over. The gerrymander enabler can now crow over his perceived victory.
- Oswego Willy - Thursday, Nov 10, 22 @ 10:55 am:
===The gerrymander enabler===
Don’t be so tough on yourself.
You never answered… never… if the federal court got it wrong on the ruling with the Illinois maps.
It’s a nice day, hope yours gets better.
Be well