* Newly appointed State Superintendent of Education Tony Sanders was interviewed this week on the 21st Show…
Q: As you no doubt know, the schools have become a sort of, what would you say, a flashpoint in the culture wars? Every week there are these stories where school administrators and teachers are being protested, people yelling at school board meetings. We’re actually having a conversation on the program later this week about school board candidates across the state espousing right-wing rhetoric. How do you address that? Or has it been ever thus? Right? How do you think about the idea that the schools have become this flashpoint in the so called culture wars in America?
Supt. Sanders: It saddens me actually, schools are apolitical. Schools are places where students go to learn critical thinking skills. This debate over CRT, which some think is critical race theory, and others say CRT is culturally responsive teaching, two entirely different things. But unfortunately, they get confused by the general public. And we do want culturally responsive teaching practices within our schools. At the same time, critical race theory is not something that’s introduced to students until they are working either on a master’s or a doctorate. And so I think it’s unfortunate that the general public makes the schools the center politics when it should not be.
Q: On that note, Illinois has implemented a number of new teaching requirements. There’s Black history, Asian history. Some say, particularly in the Republican Party in Illinois, that it’s too much, it’s too much meddling from the state in what is happening in individual classrooms. What do you think about that?
Supt. Sanders: So I think that our curriculum should uplift every child in the state of Illinois before these other bills that you just referenced, that were enacted into legislation to teach about African-American history or Asian American history. For decades, we’ve had a state law that says that we have to teach about the Irish famine. We’ve had laws that talk about Mexican deportation. So in terms of curricular mandates, there’s about 40 to 50 curricular mandates that have been on the books for years that are appropriate, and the right things for kids to be learning. I see no difference with adding these latest curriculum requirements. And I don’t even think they should be requirements. I think it’s just something that school districts need to do as part of their work, is to make sure that we’re uplifting everybody’s culture within our curriculum. Who among us doesn’t want to see their culture representative the curriculum?
Please pardon all transcription errors.
* WBEZ had a recent story centered on a Barrington school board slate…
Their plan to raise scores, the candidates said, is to scrutinize what is taught in schools. They contend that certain lessons, such as Illinois’ social-emotional learning and sex ed standards, are based on harmful ideologies and are distracting students from academics.
“Education isn’t political,” said one candidate, Leonard Munson. “We’ve got to get back to Christian values.”
Munson and the two other Action PAC-endorsed candidates, Katey Baldassano and Matt Sheriff, also said they worry about local tax dollars, noting that between 50% and 60% of property taxes go to schools. They want to look for opportunities to maximize efficiency and cut the budget. […]
In several Chicago suburbs, slates of candidates have been telling a similar narrative about their districts: wasteful spending, plus lower test scores caused by distracting ideological lessons on sex, gender, mental health and diversity. In Barrington and a few other suburban districts, they also have the support of well-funded political action committees with multiple contributions of over $1,000.
Awake Illinois, a statewide conservative parent group, is leading the charge on many of these issues, opposing Illinois’ sex ed standards to prevent students from becoming what it calls “sexualized illiterate radicals.” This fall and winter, it hosted candidate training sessions led by the Leadership Institute, a Virginia-based organization that trains conservative candidates around the country. Awake Illinois says it has identified over 75 candidates for potential endorsements.
Illinois Families for Public Schools has compiled a list of a lot of groups that are pushing school board candidates. Click here if you’re interested.
* From the Richard Uihlein-funded 1776 Project PAC…
* Daily Herald…
Pritzker’s effort to influence school board races has drawn criticism from Republican leaders, including Lake County Republican Party Chair Keith Brin.
“Our school boards shouldn’t be partisan, and our schools shouldn’t be political,” Brin said. “Gov. Pritzker is forcing partisan politics onto our local schools while trying to force his ideology onto local communities who ought to be able to set their own priorities for their schools.”
The Lake County Republican Party held a candidate training session for prospective school board members earlier this year. Back to the Daily Herald…
Mark Cramer, running for reelection to the Palatine-Schaumburg High School District 211 board, is one of four candidates endorsed by the local conservative group Citizens for Kids Education (C4KE). He also received a $6,000 donation from Richard Uihlein last year, and another $6,000 this year from Palatine Township GOP leader David Prichard. […]
“Pritzker is trying to define any Republican as a radical right-winger,” Cramer said. “He wants to drive the wedge. He wants this culture war to continue.”
Discuss.
- Demoralized - Tuesday, Mar 14, 23 @ 10:23 am:
==We’ve got to get back to Christian values==
Not in my kids school they don’t. Anything involving religion doesn’t belong in their school.
==He wants this culture war to continue==
Umm, no. That would be you are your ilk who want to continue to drive the culture wars with your continued efforts to tell us all that you know what’s best for my kids and that you’ll decide what they can and can’t read.
- Grandson of Man - Tuesday, Mar 14, 23 @ 10:29 am:
“Pritzker is trying to define any Republican as a radical right-winger”
Pritzker’s job is easy. Republicans are doing it to themselves. This party is radical right wing.
- Steve - Tuesday, Mar 14, 23 @ 10:30 am:
When JB gives a million dollar campaign contribution to a Supreme Court nominee: it’s just being public spirited. When right wingers give money to school board races in Illinois they will be treated a little differently than JB.
- Oswego Willy - Tuesday, Mar 14, 23 @ 10:31 am:
===When right wingers give money to school board races in Illinois they will be treated a little differently than JB.===
No.
In some instances Pritzker and Dems are then donating to candidates
Keep up
- Demoralized - Tuesday, Mar 14, 23 @ 10:32 am:
==When right wingers give money to school board races in Illinois they will be treated a little differently than JB==
Another victim heard from.
- Oswego Willy - Tuesday, Mar 14, 23 @ 10:35 am:
Two points;
This 1776 project and the Oswego candidates have been brought to my attention, recently.
I’ll be voting… Accordingly.
Second,
===“Education isn’t political,” said one candidate, Leonard Munson. “We’ve got to get back to Christian values.”===
Cultists that require religion when this country was founded on a freedom of religion, a separation of church and state… the religious zealots that require children to have pregnancy go to term…
It’s these instances, this one with school… the cult that tells you to worry about extremist… are in fact the extremists.
If a candidate sees the book banning in “Field of Dreams” as a want, they are not good for education.
- Steve - Tuesday, Mar 14, 23 @ 10:36 am:
When CTU and AFT give money to political races: it’s for the children.
- Demoralized - Tuesday, Mar 14, 23 @ 10:36 am:
Still playing the victim I see.
- Oswego Willy - Tuesday, Mar 14, 23 @ 10:38 am:
===When CTU and AFT give money to political races: it’s for the children===
And?
Anything else?
- Jocko - Tuesday, Mar 14, 23 @ 10:39 am:
==get rid of their woke school boards==
In court, DeSantis’s lawyers defined woke as “The belief there are systemic injustices in American society and the need to address them.”
I won’t hold my breath waiting for apologies from AWAKE and Uihlein.
- Give Me A Break - Tuesday, Mar 14, 23 @ 10:40 am:
They just can’t be satisfied getting their clocks cleaned on a statewide level, now they want to have the same fun at the local level.
These are the same type of people who when I was in HS would show to school board meetings yelling about the metric system and the “new math” being communism.
- Jerry - Tuesday, Mar 14, 23 @ 10:40 am:
I’m sure the folks who want “Christian values” want books by the author who wrote “The Art of the Deal” to be banned. I believe this author has publicly sexualized their own child. Certainly NOT “Christian” values!
- Jerry - Tuesday, Mar 14, 23 @ 10:42 am:
I thought CRT meant Cathode Ray Tube. Are these Anti-Christian?
- Steve - Tuesday, Mar 14, 23 @ 10:43 am:
-Cultists that require religion when this country was founded on a freedom of religion-
Religion has been an important issue in U.S. education. Especially, when reading scores were much higher. The bible used to be read in many school districts until the early 1960’s.
https://www.amazon.com/Bible-School-Constitution-Church-State-Doctrine/dp/0199827907
- Oswego Willy - Tuesday, Mar 14, 23 @ 10:43 am:
To Oswego, since in the graphic 308 is listed,
Keep in mind the “Tom Cross Era” of GOPers driving the bus, including school buses, take a look-see who in the GA represents Oswegoland and our schools, and how many were, recently and in the past, unopposed.
Here’s a hint… it’s Blue out here. It’s not an accident.
Zealots are finding it difficult
- Friendly Bob Adams - Tuesday, Mar 14, 23 @ 10:50 am:
Pritzker is right to carry this fight. You can’t have unilateral disarmament. School boards are non-partisan but, since they are elected, definitely political.
And yes, the Awake Illinois group and their ilk are radical right-wingers. Don’t know much about the 1776 group but if Uihlein is funding them they are definitely not apolitical.
- Save Ferris - Tuesday, Mar 14, 23 @ 10:55 am:
Very glad none of my area schools are on this list. They tried two years ago and got their butts handed to them.
- Politix - Tuesday, Mar 14, 23 @ 10:58 am:
“Education isn’t political,” said one candidate, Leonard Munson. “We’ve got to get back to Christian values.”
Christian values call for ramming anti trans and white supremacist policies into the school curriculum. Huh. Interesting.
- Jerry - Tuesday, Mar 14, 23 @ 10:59 am:
A note to the folks at Awake: whatever you ban the kids will just look up on their cell phones. Hopefully none of them ever watch Mrs. Doubtfire!
- Lucky Pierre - Tuesday, Mar 14, 23 @ 11:03 am:
Pritzker and his millions are always in the right here even through the same crowd wants Citizens United overturned because it’s a threat to democracy
- Suburban Mom - Tuesday, Mar 14, 23 @ 11:04 am:
===They contend that certain lessons, such as Illinois’ social-emotional learning===
Basically the biggest predictor of whether freshman at Harvard succeed at Harvard is *how much social-emotional learning they got in early childhood and K-2*. More is better. SEL is an absolutely baseline requirement for students to be able to achieve at academics.
I know these people don’t care about facts or data or, you know, any form of objective reality, so it doesn’t matter to them that improving academic achievement means improving SEL. It’s just so frustrating that these people are like, “We want facts, not squishy feelings” and then you give them the facts and data, and they said, “No, wait, not those facts.”
- P. - Tuesday, Mar 14, 23 @ 11:09 am:
“When CTU and AFT give money to political races: it’s for the children.”
These groups are surely welcome to participate under the rule of law but they also shouldn’t be crying when their agenda is exposed and their candidates are flagged as book burners, extremists on LGBTQ and gender issues, religious zealots, or generally anti-public school. You take the money, own it. No one is obligated to cooperate with these loons’ plans to sneak onto local boards.
- Oswego Willy - Tuesday, Mar 14, 23 @ 11:13 am:
===Pritzker and…===
(Sigh)
I am of the belief… no limits, millions and millions.
But, no dark money, after that first nickel, all must be declared/reported by its source (person)
Let all the dollars flow. Just transparency.
- JoanP - Tuesday, Mar 14, 23 @ 11:15 am:
= “We’ve got to get back to Christian values.” =
Then send your kids to a private, Christian school.
- Demoralized - Tuesday, Mar 14, 23 @ 11:19 am:
==Pritzker and his millions are always in the right here ==
Look. We have another victim. Some of you need to grow up.
- Left of what - Tuesday, Mar 14, 23 @ 11:23 am:
I think people tend to forgot that the religious freedom that people wanted when the puritans came to America was a fundamentalist Christianity. They were the ones who were too weird for the the churches in Europe. That strain within American society has never gone away. This is the logical endpoint for the republican party.
- Jerry - Tuesday, Mar 14, 23 @ 11:33 am:
You are correct, Citizens United is a threat to democracy (including in Illinois). I just thought a bunch of folks threw some tea into the water to kick start the country.
I didn’t realize it was sponsored by some Multi-National conglomerate. Nothing about corporate personhood in any constitution including the one for this state.
- Norseman - Tuesday, Mar 14, 23 @ 11:37 am:
The culture wars is being fought by hypocrites who want to deprive others of the rights they claim for themselves.
- Jibba - Tuesday, Mar 14, 23 @ 11:38 am:
“Education isn’t political,” said one candidate, Leonard Munson. “We’ve got to get back to Christian values.”
The lack of self awareness is staggering.
- 48th Ward Heel - Tuesday, Mar 14, 23 @ 11:46 am:
I count four variations on “Schools shouldn’t be political, my political opponents are making them political,” one by an appointed official/ politician who appears to be speaking in relatively good faith and three by bomb-throwing activists who are raking in outside money.
The belated concern of the publication that was printing Proft’s fake newspapers about unfair and non-local influence is noted.
- Rudy’s teeth - Tuesday, Mar 14, 23 @ 11:52 am:
Darren Bailey is hardly the spokesperson for education reform. As he mangles the pronunciation of E-La-noy, it is clear that he never learned to differentiate between short i and long e. That he aligns with education reform is laughable.
Can these folks who yap about educational standards construct a sentence with a subordinate clause, an independent clause, and a subordinating adverb to the mix.
As the teaching profession dwindles in numbers, students who depend on certified, credentialed teachers may never gain critical thinking skills and logic developed through daily classroom instruction.
Fringe groups which purport to impact school board races should have no seat at the table.
- Skokie Man - Tuesday, Mar 14, 23 @ 11:54 am:
Drilling down on one part of this article:
“Mark Cramer, running for reelection to the Palatine-Schaumburg High School District 211 board, is one of four candidates endorsed by the local conservative group Citizens for Kids Education (C4KE). He also received a $6,000 donation from Palatine Township GOP leader David Prichard.”
C4KE isn’t some independent “local conservative group”. It is 100% funded by David Prichard, executive board chair of Palatine Republicans.
According to campaign disclosure filings, he is the only donor to C4KE and he’s poured $2100 into the “group”. He’s also the only donor to a second supposedly independent “group” called “Parents for a Better 15″ that was created to support two right-wing candidates in the local elementary school board race.
More broadly, Republicans have directly shoveled money into local school board races and far-right donors and PACs have also sent a ton of dark money into these races. It would be foolish and dangerous for Pritzker and others to unilaterally disengage in the face of this onslaught.
- 47th Ward - Tuesday, Mar 14, 23 @ 11:55 am:
===Pritzker’s effort to influence school board races has drawn criticism from Republican leaders, including Lake County Republican Party Chair Keith Brin.===
===The Lake County Republican Party held a candidate training session for prospective school board members earlier this year.===
Reminds me of Boone and Otter, “hey, they can’t do that to our pledges. Only we can do that to our pledges.”
- Socially DIstant watcher - Tuesday, Mar 14, 23 @ 11:56 am:
==He wants this culture war to continue==
You can keep fighting until you declare victory, but it sounds like you just haven’t lost enough yet. Maybe a few more elections will help you see where most voters are.
It’s hard to accept that the voters are just plain against you, but that’s why there are elections.
- Oswego Willy - Tuesday, Mar 14, 23 @ 12:01 pm:
===Happening across the suburbs currently.===
Really? Where? Be specific.
- TheInvisibleMan - Tuesday, Mar 14, 23 @ 12:02 pm:
–These are the same type of people–
Well, in my area these *are* the same people as back then. I mean literally the same people, but older now.
In my days in school, they were handing out flyers to us in school(catholic school) about how every slang phrase used by kids was secretly a code word for devil worship.
Also, Dungeons and Dragons.
- unafraid - Tuesday, Mar 14, 23 @ 12:04 pm:
Hard to comment unless one actually knows what is being taught in the schools. Does it vary from school to school? And the issues that can be addressed are complex and seemingly rapidly growing in number.
Would not be surprised if many, on both sides, do not even know what is going on in their local schools as related to this overall issue.
Those running for school board seats could carefully outline their position on these matters so the public would be more informed about the direction they want the schools
to take. And that all positions would receive respect whether indviduals agree with them or not. Then vote.
Not counting on it.
- 48th Ward Heel - Tuesday, Mar 14, 23 @ 12:04 pm:
I heard Shermer High has a Black Panther Party now
- The Truth - Tuesday, Mar 14, 23 @ 12:06 pm:
==but schools are proudly using critical race theories in their student affinity groups, where you must identify as a certain race to participate in the club.==
this is literally not Critical Race Theory
- Jocko - Tuesday, Mar 14, 23 @ 12:09 pm:
==student affinity groups, where you must identify as a certain race to participate in the club.==
When they’re not hiding and/or changing the litter boxes being used by the furries./S
- unafraid - Tuesday, Mar 14, 23 @ 12:11 pm:
=I heard Shermer High has a Black Panther Party now =
You heard it, but can it be verified.
- Oswego Willy - Tuesday, Mar 14, 23 @ 12:14 pm:
===You heard it, but can it be verified.===
“My best friend’s sister’s boyfriend’s brother’s girlfriend heard from this guy who knows this kid who’s going with a girl whose school had a group or something with a panther. It sounds pretty serious”
- A. Lincoln, 1849
- Jerry - Tuesday, Mar 14, 23 @ 12:25 pm:
Laughing at OW at 1214. Well done.
- Demoralized - Tuesday, Mar 14, 23 @ 12:34 pm:
==And that all positions would receive respect ==
Why would I respect a position that advocates for banning books and being as hateful towards gay and transgendered kids as they can get? Don’t lecture me on being respectful. Because they are anything but respectful.
- Norseman - Tuesday, Mar 14, 23 @ 1:01 pm:
=== And that all positions would receive respect whether individuals agree with them or not. ===
Funny, it’s always the folks that want to attack the rights of others who demand respect. Their actions show their lack of respect for those to whom they disagree. They also want you to believe their opinions based on lies and misinformation disserves equal credibility.
Isn’t happening.
- 40,000 ft - Tuesday, Mar 14, 23 @ 1:30 pm:
The lack of respect for different values, religious beliefs, and ideologies in this thread is shocking.
What is wrong with people where they assert only their belief is the correct belief, while ridiculing other’s core beliefs?
Weird times.
- 48th Ward Heel - Tuesday, Mar 14, 23 @ 1:36 pm:
The guiding principle of “intellectual diversity” conservativism is that conservatism is always advocated as the serious option. Whether other positions are represented in a fair hearing, or at all, is their proponents’ problem. If you don’t like it, get your own network of dark money think tanks and SuperPACs.
- Oswego Willy - Tuesday, Mar 14, 23 @ 1:45 pm:
Pick a name or move on…
- Demoralized - Tuesday, Mar 14, 23 @ 1:54 pm:
==The lack of respect for different values, religious beliefs, and ideologies in this thread is shocking.==
==Weird times.==
Forgive me for not respecting a bunch of book banners. It is indeed “weird times” when someone thinks that what some of these people are peddling are legitimate beliefs. The lack of character of some of these people is what is shocking to me.
- Oswego Willy - Tuesday, Mar 14, 23 @ 2:08 pm:
(Tips cap to - Jerry -)
How can one say you want free speech, a voice heard, an opinion taken… and *still* be in favor of banning books, interjecting religion, and be intolerant?… it’s the empowering and emboldening of the worst elements that feel their cult-like religious “foundation of their Americanism” is the only America, and “we’re losing it”
Gotta push back against these folks.
- Norseman - Tuesday, Mar 14, 23 @ 2:11 pm:
=== The lack of respect for different values, religious beliefs, and ideologies in this thread is shocking. ===
This comment demonstrates the humongous lack of self-awareness by the cult warriors. If it wasn’t so sickening it would be hilarious. Again, they demand respect while denying that respect for the victims of their hate.
I will stand with those who truly respect those who believe in other religions and social beliefs and fight against efforts to have government restrict those persons.
- btowntruth from forgottonia - Tuesday, Mar 14, 23 @ 2:12 pm:
Education isn’t political,” said one candidate, Leonard Munson. “We’ve got to get back to Christian values.”
No.
No no no no no no.
The school is not a church.
- OneMan - Tuesday, Mar 14, 23 @ 2:16 pm:
== The lack of respect for different values, religious beliefs, and ideologies in this thread is shocking. ==
I grew up in the conservative flavor of Lutheranism (let’s say they are based out of Missouri) and was later an elder our denomiation did not think school prayer was a good idea because they didn’t think the schools would get it right.
You have strong faith, good for you, but some of us feel it shouldn’t be involved in public education.
Is there stuff that I might have wished my kid didn’t read in the school library (quite likely)? Do I think I should be the one setting that standard for every kid? Heck no.
I respect you enough to know that you and I may have different standards. That’s cool, that’s great. But in public education, I leave that up to the professionals and trust in them. There were places where what was taught diverted from what I believed, so I communicated and discussed that with my kids.
In many parts of this state, public schools are more diverse than the individual neighborhoods kids come from. I like that. I love that my kids got exposed to a fair amount of diversity in school, kids who had families from different cultures all over the world. Some of those cultures had dietary and other restrictions (along with other things) that I didn’t follow or agree with. Just like I wouldn’t want the schools to enforce those on all kids in terms of curriculum or what books are in the library, nor do I want to do that to them.
I respect your views; really, I do. I don’t want those views to be the deciding factor in picking library books for every kid in the district.
- Oswego Willy - Tuesday, Mar 14, 23 @ 2:28 pm:
Well said - OneMan -, Golden Horseshoe quality, bud.
- Penny - Tuesday, Mar 14, 23 @ 2:38 pm:
OneMan–And some of us don’t want your views picking books for our children’s libraries. Teachers are not more knowledgeable or expert at children than most parents. Teachers are not the only educated people in town.
- Rich Miller - Tuesday, Mar 14, 23 @ 2:40 pm:
===Teachers are not more knowledgeable or expert at children than most parents===
I have no words for this.
- Oswego Willy - Tuesday, Mar 14, 23 @ 2:42 pm:
===Teachers are not more knowledgeable or expert at children than most parents. Teachers are not the only educated people in town.===
Start your own school, just don’t ban or burn books at the public school.
- Penny -, you have this “I don’t think you experienced the 60s, I think you had two fifties and moved right into the seventies.” kind of banning books vibe.
- Oswego Willy - Tuesday, Mar 14, 23 @ 2:45 pm:
“Expert At Children” was a podcast done by triplets… they played Robby’s kids on “My Three Sons”
The third podcast episode was its best
- Penny - Tuesday, Mar 14, 23 @ 2:48 pm:
The education profession still speaks as if they are the only adults with college educations or are capable of understanding children or their needs.
- OneMan - Tuesday, Mar 14, 23 @ 2:50 pm:
== Teachers are not the only educated people in town. ==
Hey, I understand the rules of football, I should be able to decide if that was holding or not. Football officials are not the only people who know the rules of football!
I certainly know more about football than that dang coach. I played in HS, I watch football all weekend, and Timmy should be starting.
Where does that end? Should teachers be able to decide on punishment? If Timmy gets detention, should mom and dad be able to “override it”? If you don’t think they spent enough time on long division in math class, should the whole class spend more time on long division?
Where do your parental veto “rights” start and end? Especially for other kids? I want to know. Is the library? Is the math class?
- Demoralized - Tuesday, Mar 14, 23 @ 3:00 pm:
==And some of us don’t want your views picking books for our children’s libraries.==
You know how you fixt that? Don’t let your children read those books. You don’t fix it by telling me what my children should or should not have access to.
==Teachers are not more knowledgeable or expert at children than most parents==
You want to know what they are more knowledgeable in? Teaching.
Look, if you don’t like it then homeschool your kids or send them to a private school that fits in with your narrow mindedness.
- historic66 - Tuesday, Mar 14, 23 @ 3:03 pm:
===OneMan–And some of us don’t want your views picking books for our children’s libraries. Teachers are not more knowledgeable or expert at children than most parents. Teachers are not the only educated people in town.===
As a teacher, and as Rich said, I have no words for your belief.
I’m looking at this list of PAC1776 candidates and see my hometown of Marshall there, and again have no words, except to say I’m glad I moved away 16 years ago.
- JS Mill - Tuesday, Mar 14, 23 @ 3:05 pm:
=Teachers are not more knowledgeable or expert at children than most parents.=
You are right. They are more knowledgeable and expert than most parents when it comes to educating children. We have the pedigree to back that up.
- P. - Tuesday, Mar 14, 23 @ 3:12 pm:
Two parents: 1.5 children in a lifetime. Teachers: 25/yr but yes parents know how to teach children “better”
- Appears - Tuesday, Mar 14, 23 @ 3:13 pm:
Most teachers ARE parents.
- Amalia - Tuesday, Mar 14, 23 @ 3:17 pm:
Vallas contributors? I would check. Vallas seems to be using AWAKE language in his education platform. these are all people of the same twisted stripe. they don’t belong with their hands on power for schools.
- Rudy’s teeth - Tuesday, Mar 14, 23 @ 3:17 pm:
Did Penny of “teachers are not more knowledgeable or expert at children than most parents” fall off the tractor one too many times?
Might be time to wear a helmet to preserve what remains in the prefrontal cortex.
- Tim - Tuesday, Mar 14, 23 @ 3:50 pm:
=== The education profession still speaks as if… ===
Citation needed.
- Excitable Boy - Tuesday, Mar 14, 23 @ 5:41 pm:
- I have no words for this. -
Just spit out my beer.