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Thursday, Jul 20, 2023 - Posted by Isabel Miller

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  1. - Oswego Willy - Thursday, Jul 20, 23 @ 7:55 am:

    Congrats to Lou Mitchell’s. It’s a joint you need to visit, even if it’s to punch a ticket of Chicago places.

    Still, they serve some good diner food.


  2. - Steve Rogers - Thursday, Jul 20, 23 @ 8:24 am:

    Sorry to hear of Judge Mills’s passing. He was a great guy and judge.

    One of his more significant cases dealt with the removal of “The “World Needs God” sign on the Montgomery County courthouse.

    Condolences to the family.


  3. - JoanP - Thursday, Jul 20, 23 @ 8:56 am:

    I used to work on West Jackson and Lou Mitchell’s was one of our frequent lunch spots. Glad to know they are doing well but sad they are no longer handing out Milk Duds.

    That’s a great story about the O’Rourke sisters. It would be nice if one of them won the Mac, but even without that, it’s a lovely way to honor their family history. (I’m sure it’s sheer coincidence that in 1923 THREE Jackson Park Yacht Club boats were disqualified and a CYC boat became the winner. /snark/)


  4. - Anyone Remember - Thursday, Jul 20, 23 @ 9:02 am:

    Pension Reform, HB 4098 (from WAND story). Anywhere close to 60, 30, 1 (& 4)?


  5. - H-W - Thursday, Jul 20, 23 @ 9:16 am:

    Re: WGN story

    Good on Chicago city council for taking up eliminating sub-minimum wage. The cost of doing business includes treating all workers as deserving a guaranteed standard of living that keeps them fed, housed, and rested. Putting that burden on customers is immoral.


  6. - Lurker - Thursday, Jul 20, 23 @ 9:48 am:

    I’m simply at a loss people that fight against diversity and equity. I am guessing that McDonald’s story is one of many as most large firms, government agencies, etc are finally making needed progress on diversity. That story with the last story got me thinking, are HBCU in trouble? I am sure someone will say they cannot be biased and select as they have historically. I hope not but things are getting quite inane.


  7. - Old IL Dude - Thursday, Jul 20, 23 @ 10:31 am:

    “Basically, it would give restaurants two years to get all tipped workers up to the city’s minimum wage — which is currently at $15.80 per hour, plus any tips they earn.”

    There won’t be any tips earned. I won’t feel bad about not providing a tip when I go out to eat or have a drink at a bar in Chicago, and won’t leave my standard minimum $5 tip for housekeeping when I stay at a Chicago hotel. Will also make sure others know that tipping is no longer required in Brandon Johnson’s Chicago.


  8. - Oswego Willy - Thursday, Jul 20, 23 @ 10:37 am:

    ===tipping is no longer required===

    Huh…

    Tipping is *never* required.


  9. - Oswego Willy - Thursday, Jul 20, 23 @ 10:39 am:

    ===Tipping is *never* required.===

    Granted that many a location will automatically add a gratuity to large groups, but I’m sure that also isn’t in place because folks are over-generous


  10. - JS Mill - Thursday, Jul 20, 23 @ 10:41 am:

    =A bill mandating fentanyl education in Illinois high schools is now on Governor J.B. Pritzker’s desk=

    Another in a growing and impossibly long list fo requirements that schools should not be handling. This is a job for IDPH or county health departments. Schools are not hospitals or medical clinics and should not be.

    I get the idea, and know the subject is important, but schools cannot be the place to stick things “because somebody needs to do it”. We are struggling to address the increasing instructional needs and now we are devoting, by my math within our district, 25% of our day on medical issues we are not qualified to address.

    =I’m simply at a loss people that fight against diversity and equity.=

    I am about equality. Equity entered the lexicon a few years ago and I have yet to hear a consistent description, which hurts the effort to achieve equality. I will fight for equality every day.


  11. - Old IL Dude - Thursday, Jul 20, 23 @ 10:56 am:

    ===Tipping is *never* required.===

    ===Granted that many a location will automatically add a gratuity to large groups, but I’m sure that also isn’t in place because folks are over-generous====

    In the US, if you go out to eat at a restaurant (other than fast-food), the understanding is that you tip your server. Usually the same thing for services like housekeeping, hair salons, food delivery, livery services. It’s not a requirement, but it’s a social understanding.

    You know this.


  12. - Friendly Bob Adams - Thursday, Jul 20, 23 @ 10:59 am:

    Many people choose tipped occupations because they can make a lot more money than in other jobs. This proposed action would likely result in a pay cut for those workers.


  13. - Oswego Willy - Thursday, Jul 20, 23 @ 11:02 am:

    ===It’s not a requirement, but it’s a social understanding.===

    So now you will be stopping AND tell others to stop too?

    Like I said.

    Huh.


  14. - Jibba - Thursday, Jul 20, 23 @ 11:07 am:

    Old dude must not know that servers in nicer Chicago restaurants typically make far more than 15/hr, which is why they are usually opposed to changes in compensation that involve reducing tips.


  15. - H-W - Thursday, Jul 20, 23 @ 11:17 am:

    === Many people choose tipped occupations because they can make a lot more money ===

    I understand that argument and appreciate it. However, I worked in the restaurant industry from 16 to 26.

    The reality is cooks and dishwashers and line workers and servers are poorly paid. And suffice to say, many servers are paid poorly, even with the tips.

    If a minimum wage is set at $15+ per hour, we know that all workers will earn about $30,000 annually, if they work full time, full year. That is an adequate base wage. Below that is sinful. For single moms, that would make work less precarious, and earnings more predictable.

    === I won’t feel bad about not providing a tip when I go out to eat or have a drink ===

    You shouldn’t feel compelled to give cash to employees, because employers do not pay a living wage.

    On the other hand, I anticipate I would still tip exceptional service, but not feel compelled to tip all service.


  16. - cermak_rd - Thursday, Jul 20, 23 @ 11:29 am:

    I will still tip.It’s just good manners to do so. Also $15 is not all that much. And yes, waiters at fancier places make a lot more than that but this is not about them, it’s about making sure the guy who waits tables at establishments with custom that is less well feathered gets a decent wage.
    I have never tipped because Edna gets paid subminimum so I need to make up the difference. I have always tipped because Edna served me well (or at least adequately I’m a pretty easy to please person) and so I leave a tip to say thank you.


  17. - Captain Obvious - Thursday, Jul 20, 23 @ 11:38 am:

    Eliminating the sub minimum wage for restaurant workers is a fine example of gevernment “help” that is likely to hurt a goodly number of the “helpees”.


  18. - Old IL Dude - Thursday, Jul 20, 23 @ 11:47 am:

    ===I will still tip.It’s just good manners to do so. Also $15 is not all that much. ===

    The point of tipping was to ensure good service but also to help keep the service provider’s costs lower. I will expect that restaurants will raise the cost of their menu items to cover their workers wages, so I’m not going to pay more out of my pocket for someone paid to do their job. This is what unions wanted out of Brandon Johnson and Preckwinkle, and now they got it.

    I also don’t tip at Menards, or at Walgreens, or at the service station. Why would I tip those workers, or any worker?


  19. - Oswego Willy - Thursday, Jul 20, 23 @ 11:57 am:

    ===was to ensure good service===

    Never-ever be “that guy”. I mean… whew

    I once had a small dinner with someone very high up in a group like “Lettuce Entertain You” kind of thing, top type person and they told me this;

    “Never be ‘that guy’ that needs a minimum of coffees like ‘Mr Pink’ or hold a tip over the servers. You come off smug and likey will get that minimum experience. What servers dred is the generous tip with the 5 minute discussion with their GM on how poor they were… and the GM seeing the tip left. That hits home”

    Always stuck with me when folks “decide” a worth.


  20. - Oswego Willy - Thursday, Jul 20, 23 @ 12:01 pm:

    ===I also don’t tip at Menards, or at Walgreens, or at the service station. Why would I tip those workers, or any worker?===

    If you can’t honestly decipher the differences between all these workers, but I think you can…and you’re using an excuse to be merely “less inclined” in understanding restaurants and servers likely “see you coming”?


  21. - Rich Miller - Thursday, Jul 20, 23 @ 12:03 pm:

    ===The point of tipping was to ensure good service but also to help keep the service provider’s costs lower. I will expect that restaurants will raise the cost of their menu items to cover their workers wages, so I’m not going to pay more out of my pocket for someone paid to do their job.===

    Reasonable. When I lived in Germany, tipping was considered an insult.

    I belonged to the now-defunct Sangamo Club. The club years ago added a service charge to orders, but I always tipped on top of that. You could choose to do the same or be petty. Lemme guess…


  22. - Old IL Dude - Thursday, Jul 20, 23 @ 12:09 pm:

    So, paying the list price of an item, as set by the owner, is now considered being petty? Do you tip your pharmacist? Or the guy working at 7-11? Lemme guess…


  23. - Oswego Willy - Thursday, Jul 20, 23 @ 12:12 pm:

    ===So, paying the list price of an item, as set by the owner, is now considered being petty?===

    Counterpoint.

    ===In the US, if you go out to eat at a restaurant (other than fast-food), the understanding is that you tip your server. Usually the same thing for services like housekeeping, hair salons, food delivery, livery services. It’s not a requirement, but it’s a social understanding.

    You know this.===

    Lemme know how this argument with yourself works out.


  24. - Old IL Dude - Thursday, Jul 20, 23 @ 12:20 pm:

    Right now, servers do not make the minimum wage. With this new legislation, they will. But hey, what ever you have to do to make yourself look smart, right OW?


  25. - Oswego Willy - Thursday, Jul 20, 23 @ 12:23 pm:

    ===With this new legislation, they will.===

    Who won your argument, that’s all I wanna now.

    Be well. Be safe. Tip your waitress.


  26. - RNUG - Thursday, Jul 20, 23 @ 12:28 pm:

    RE Pension Reform

    CBTA’s response is just as predictable as IPI’s response.

    Other than a possible ramp reset, I don’t see anything happening. I expect Illinois will just muddle through like always.


  27. - RNUG - Thursday, Jul 20, 23 @ 12:29 pm:

    == even if it’s to punch a ticket of Chicago places. ==

    I think I’ve done that a few times


  28. - Lurker - Thursday, Jul 20, 23 @ 1:18 pm:

    Just an fyi, for places that pay the minimum wage, the tips go to the establishment. For example, here in Springfield, a few local car washes have tip boxes or you can add a tip when you pay with a credit card. The workers see none of that money. They get tips if you give them cash. The same is true at two restaurants in town (that I know of).


  29. - Demoralized - Thursday, Jul 20, 23 @ 1:37 pm:

    ==tipping was considered an insult==

    Where my wife is from tipping isn’t even a thing. But they pay their service workers well there. If a place wants to pay their workers well above the minimum wage then I might consider not tipping. But if that waitress is only making $13 an hour then you can bet I’m still tipping. There are simply far too many businesses that do not value their workers.


  30. - DuPage - Thursday, Jul 20, 23 @ 1:57 pm:

    About the CO2 pipeline…Illinois should not allow Illinois to be used as a dumping ground for other states. If the CO2 injected into the ground seeps into aquifers it could contaminate water wells over large areas. NO to CO2 disposal in Illinois.


  31. - Old IL Dude - Thursday, Jul 20, 23 @ 2:21 pm:

    The next time I go to Home Depot, I will make sure to tip the garden center guy for stacking the mulch and making sure the rubber hoses are rolled.


  32. - Oswego Willy - Thursday, Jul 20, 23 @ 2:22 pm:

    ===The next time I go to Home Depot, I will make sure to tip the garden center guy===

    Counterpoint…

    ===In the US, if you go out to eat at a restaurant (other than fast-food), the understanding is that you tip your server. Usually the same thing for services like housekeeping, hair salons, food delivery, livery services. It’s not a requirement, but it’s a social understanding.

    You know this.===

    I really do wanna know who wins your argument, “you” or “you”


  33. - Old IL Dude - Thursday, Jul 20, 23 @ 2:34 pm:

    OW, we know who continually loses, just sayin’…


  34. - Oswego Willy - Thursday, Jul 20, 23 @ 2:35 pm:

    ===we know who continually loses===

    Your future waiters and waitresses?


  35. - Demoralized - Thursday, Jul 20, 23 @ 3:13 pm:

    ==The next time I go to Home Depot==

    That’s clearly not what is being talked about you dolt. But you keep being an ignorant about it.


  36. - NotYourGramma - Thursday, Jul 20, 23 @ 10:19 pm:

    @JS Mill - I think of equity is recognizing that “the same” (or “equal”) isnt always what’s best or needed. If I have a big pizza and 3 people, equality says everyone gets a third. Equity says I look at everyone’s needs: turns out I have one little kid (who doesn’t need a third of a pizza), a regular adult (who is fine with a third of a pizza), and a guy who just ran a marathon (who could really use some extra calories). Equity tells me it’s ok to give the little kid less (who doesn’t need as much) and give the marathoner more (who needs more in this moment). No one is harmed because the servings aren’t equal. In fact, people might be better off: the kid doesn’t barf from over eating. The marathoner gets the extra he needs.

    It’s not the perfect metaphor for this. There’s flaws to my example. But just one way to start thinking about it.


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