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While we wait for the debate: PPP Poll has a one-point governor’s race

Wednesday, Oct 20, 2010

* While we wait for the start of tonight’s 7 o’clock debate [click here for the ABC7 livestream], let’s take a quick look at the new Public Policy Polling poll….

42% Bill Brady
41% Pat Quinn
6% Scott Lee Cohen
1% Lex Green
3% Rich Whitney
6% Undecided

* I asked PPP to check Speaker Madigan’s fave/unfaves and they did…

Do you have a favorable or unfavorable opinion of Michael Madigan?
18% Favorable
52% Unfavorable
30% Not sure



October 14-16, 2010 Survey of 557 likely voters. The survey’s margin of error is +/-4.2%.

* Please help us live-blog tonight’s debate in comments. Y’all did an excellent job last night. Let’s try it again. Click here for the livestream. The debate begins at 7 pm.

* 7:00 pm - And here we go…

* The Chicago Tribune’s Clout St. blog is also liveblogging. And IL Public Media is live-Tweeting. So is ABC7 and NBC5.

* Brady gets to early release, um, early in the debate. Just a quick mention, but a nice pivot.

* After months of ignoring Sen. Dan Kotowski’s budget reform proposal, Quinn has finally started using it in debates, including twice tonight. It also helps that Brady voted against the proposal - because it was attached to a budget bill.

The same goes for legislator furloughs, which Quinn just mentioned. It was in a budget-bill. Brady voted against the bill, so he voted against all that other stuff as well.

* LOL. Quinn has constantly used the phrase “perish the thought” whenever he mentions the possibility that Brady could be elected. Brady just said: “Governor, perish the thought that you’d tell the truth.” The man understands pivots. Very crucial in debates if people are watching.

* Brady: “Gov. Quinn has used the social issues to divide Illinois.”

* Andy Shaw: “Sen. Brady let me see if I can get an actual answer to the question.” Asks about social issues. Brady says he supports “parental notice,” 2nd Amendment. Tries to be as innocuous as possible.

* “Leaders lead, they don’t punt. Gov. Quinn has punted on issue like he has punted” on everything else, Brady said about death penalty reforms. He’s clearly getting the better of the guv.

* Brady again brings up the allegation that Illinois is deemed to be one of only 7 states to be in a recession. That was on MSNBC a while ago. I’ll be doing a fact check tomorrow on this.

* Quinn brings up George W. Bush and Brady’s support for him in yet another debate. Talks about rail car company that’s expanding and Groupon. Nippon and Groupon, if you’re keeping score at home.

* From Clout St…

Quinn claimed Brady voted against a bill that would have barred spouse abusers from having guns. Do not have a bill number to verify at this point.

So, I asked the Quinn campaign…

Brady Voted Against Denying Domestic Abusers Guns. Brady voted against a bill that required applicants for firearm owner’s ID cards to certify that they had not been convicted of domestic battery or similar offense. It also allowed the police to deny or revoke ID cards if the holder had been convicted of such crimes. [HB 127, Adoption, 92-22, 5/31/97]

There you go.

* Brady: “If you want an Illinois that looks more like an Indiana or a Tennessee…” vote for me. [Miller: Look, man, it’s not that I hate Indiana and Tennessee, but I don’t want to be like them.]

* Quinn shout-out to Lisa Madigan on how he’s working with her on transparency. LM is the most popular person in politics these days, so that can’t hurt. Also, third mention of Sen. Kotowski’s “budgeting for results” bill.

* Brady again brings up an audit. I wonder if anyone showed Quinn the quote from the auditor general about whether he knew what a “business audit” of the state would be. His response? “No.” Apparently not because Quinn didn’t mention it in his response. He used to read this blog. Maybe he’s just too busy now.

* Brady: “You’ve racked up record deficits and debt. $13 billion.” “Slashed” public safety. “I never said I’d slash Veterans Affairs.”

* From Ward Room

“It doesn’t matter how many times you’ve cut $3 billion it’s still not true.”

* Quinn brings up the “drive through deliveries” bill that mandated more than 24 hours hospital time for new moms, but doesn’t explain it very well at all.

* It’s a good thing that this debate isn’t being watched by a majority of the voters or the guv would be toast.

Keep that in mind, by the way. We’re watching, but not a huge number of people are. This isn’t like a presidential debate.

* Brady: “Let me remind you, governor, that it was you who introduced the bill to cut education by a billion dollars.” Zing.

* Quinn now trying to explain those three Brady “conflict of interest” votes. Actually, it wasn’t much of a “try.” The governor doesn’t seem to know the specifics. Bizarre.

Brady brings up the AFSCME deal in response. “Ethically challenged?” he asks before each point, including “secret pay raises.”

* Moderator asks Brady to explain the votes. Brady glosses over them.

Quinn, however, still doesn’t explain what the three votes were, except to say they were published by the Tribune. For crying out loud, somebody tell the governor to read the gosh-darned Tribune story. Sheesh.

* If your Quinn drinking game word was “Groupon,” you’re plastered by now. Please, don’t comment. You might embarrass yourself.

* Clout St…

*Quinn has ripped Brady twice for not going to a campaign forum sponsored by an African-American advocacy group.

* Mike Flannery

Brady offers lamest defense/explanation yet of 3 votes he cast in Genl Assembly to spend tax dollars to benefit his interests nr Champaign

Yeah, but Quinn’s explanation was even lamerster. (OK, my drinking game word was “budgeting for results,” so I may be getting a bit tipsy too.)

* Latina panelist Rebecca Sanchez asks Brady about a story I wrote for subscribers a few weeks ago regarding a fundraiser attended by two former Rod Blagojevich cronies. Brady says he doesn’t know what she’s speaking of. She says Juan Ochoa and Dean Martinez. Brady says they’re “good people.” Quinn points out that he fired Martinez. That ought to push the story into the mainstream if anyone is paying attention.

* Brady: “Governor, you didn’t even have the backbone to stand up to Mike Madigan and John Cullerton” on your own reform commission’s ideas.

* Quinn talks about companies “taking” jobs from Indiana and Missouring and “bringing them to Illinois.” This was in context of Brady not paying taxes, believe it or not.

* Quinn uses Bush again in his closing statement. From Clout St…

*Brady closing statement: Illinois is a crossroads, but we need new leadership. Quinn has run state into the ground the past two years. Jobs lost. If you want to continue down that path, vote for Pat Quinn. If you want a difference, lower taxes and more jobs, vote Brady.

*Quinn closing statement: He stabilized government on ethics when he took over. Blamed Bush killing economy. Said he’s creating jobs. Important to have a governor with a heart.

And it’s over.


- Posted by Rich Miller        

  1. - Amalia - Wednesday, Oct 20, 10 @ 6:33 pm:

    anyone have a Madigan mask for Halloween?

  2. - ChuckT - Wednesday, Oct 20, 10 @ 6:40 pm:

    Great news on the Quinn/Brady poll. I hope the trend continues.

  3. - Hershey - Wednesday, Oct 20, 10 @ 6:43 pm:

    Quinn has peaked too soon. There are still 59% against the accidental incumbent. He is almost at his ceiling.

  4. - steve schnorf - Wednesday, Oct 20, 10 @ 6:47 pm:

    so it comes down to a gotv election?

  5. - steve schnorf - Wednesday, Oct 20, 10 @ 6:52 pm:

    Which will be worth more, fervor or organization? Who has the most of either one?

  6. - (618)662Dem - Wednesday, Oct 20, 10 @ 6:57 pm:

    And it’s over. Quinn wins, maybe not even that close of a race now. Chicago Dems coming home. I project Quinn by 4 percentage points.

  7. - shore - Wednesday, Oct 20, 10 @ 7:03 pm:

    the debate is also on cspan tv and

  8. - Oswego Willy - Wednesday, Oct 20, 10 @ 7:03 pm:

    I think Jerry Clarke and company are in for a long 12 days … Quinn never should have caught Brady in any polls. Quinn has made more blunders than Mr. Furley hitting on girls at the Regal Beagle … They should throw caution to the wind and send Jason Plummer out there and spread the message to the dozens!

    I can not believe my party might blow this whole thing!

  9. - shore - Wednesday, Oct 20, 10 @ 7:03 pm:

    shaw again. will he come clean on his ties to obama?

  10. - anon - Wednesday, Oct 20, 10 @ 7:06 pm:

    Going to be a long hour… One, just One… answer one question

  11. - Just The Way It Is One - Wednesday, Oct 20, 10 @ 7:07 pm:

    Hershey, You must not have ever spent a lot of time in the hills or mountains of life; the point is, neither Quinn or Brady have peaked. It’s a tie; it’s pretty much even/flat, like the Prairie State should be (especially in politics–that’s what makes living here so much fun)! And with a prairie, ya just can’t see what’s at the end of it until ya walk it through to the end. And as I’ve been sayin’ (out in the desert it seems, though no one would seem to listen) for months now, folks, this one’s goin’ down to the wire, so get out your “photo finish” cameras. And, lastly, as to the PQ naysayers, some of you may not yet heard about one of his ancient Quinnisms at a time like this in the campaign (and why ya NEVER count him out ’till all of the votes are counted)…there are 13 days left until Election Day…26 if ya don’t sleep! (Translation, of course, you can safely bet (and history shows, e.g. when he trailed Dan Hynes at this juncture with only days until Election Day) he and his staff and volunteers will be workin’ their backsides off until the final vote is counted). Yeah, he may lose, but just don’t you all think you’re all in the Twilight Zone on 11-3 (or weeks later after any necessary recount) if once again, the “Mighty Quinn,” (as the old 60’s song is entitled) squeaks by again–cuz he and his folks just plain work hard, real hard, and seem to have a way of gettin’ it done….

  12. - shore - Wednesday, Oct 20, 10 @ 7:08 pm:

    debate is the opposite of the senate debate. here the republican is the more telegenic shallow cliche ridden candidate.

    quinn is wearing the infamous purple tie again. clearest sign he is the anti-blago-he doesn’t spend big on clothing.

  13. - shore - Wednesday, Oct 20, 10 @ 7:09 pm:

    one of the moderators is from something called “extra”

    why are the city’s best journalists-greg hinz ect not asking the questions?

  14. - Rich Miller - Wednesday, Oct 20, 10 @ 7:10 pm:

    shore, ABC7 likes to promote its “partners” in these things.

  15. - shore - Wednesday, Oct 20, 10 @ 7:11 pm:

    brady is decking quinn hard.

  16. - shore - Wednesday, Oct 20, 10 @ 7:13 pm:

    either you are a news organization doing public service or you are a private company trying to make a buck.

  17. - Wally - Wednesday, Oct 20, 10 @ 7:13 pm:

    What did the polls show in the governor races 2 weeks before the primary?

  18. - anon - Wednesday, Oct 20, 10 @ 7:14 pm:

    Brady clearly staying with his rehearsed lines

  19. - CircularFiringSquad - Wednesday, Oct 20, 10 @ 7:14 pm:

    whenever NoTaxBill pivots he throws the ball out of bounds Yikes

  20. - shore - Wednesday, Oct 20, 10 @ 7:14 pm:

    if last night was a seinfeld debate about nothing this one is more about the choice between the 2. brady is actually answering questions.

  21. - shore - Wednesday, Oct 20, 10 @ 7:20 pm:

    groupon getting a lot of play.

  22. - shore - Wednesday, Oct 20, 10 @ 7:22 pm:

    lots of recycled questions from previous debates and ed boards. alexi really screwed himself last night by not preparing answers to questions he got earlier in the campaign and couldn’t answer. brady clearly learned from his mistakes.

  23. - shore - Wednesday, Oct 20, 10 @ 7:25 pm:

    quinn says hes not a career politician. the extra woman looks like sarah palin. oof.

  24. - bored now - Wednesday, Oct 20, 10 @ 7:26 pm:

    steve schnorf: this was always going to be a gotv election. the tea party has been preparing for gotv since spring; democrats for probably longer.

    your question about fervor or organization is sort of interesting. one *could* argue that democrats are better organized, but that would be assuming that democrats have one, monolithic organization. it’s not exactly like all democrats are working together towards a common goal, even in this election.

    having said that, i’d rather be a democrat than a republican here in illinois when an election is dependent on gotv.

  25. - bored now - Wednesday, Oct 20, 10 @ 7:28 pm:

    i can’t believe that bill brady wants illinois to be like indiana (or kentucky or tennessee)?!?! who wants to be a backward, hick state? i’ve never heard people in taylorville (or mount vernon) express a desire to be like indiana, kentucky or tennessee.

    why is bill brady ashamed of illinois???

  26. - I'm Just Saying - Wednesday, Oct 20, 10 @ 7:31 pm:

    This Audit thing comes from Adam Andjrewski, it’s not going to work……. what exactly is a “Business Audit”

  27. - Just The Way It Is One - Wednesday, Oct 20, 10 @ 7:32 pm:

    Wally–One week before Primary Election Day, PPP, Public Policy Polling’s Poll showed the following: Hynes : 41% Quinn: 40%. And we now know PPP was right on given the final margin of only a few thousand votes….

  28. - shore - Wednesday, Oct 20, 10 @ 7:42 pm:

    brady clearly spent a lot more time preparing for this than quinn. He has forceful prepared answers for questions.

  29. - Publius - Wednesday, Oct 20, 10 @ 7:43 pm:

    GIM, did you say that Quinn is a crook or that Blago is a future federal felon? Blago already is a felon and Quinn is not going to prison for corruption anytime in this lifetime

  30. - shore - Wednesday, Oct 20, 10 @ 7:44 pm:

    question-will you appoint even 1 hispanic to a position.

    abc continues to embarrass itself.

  31. - bored now - Wednesday, Oct 20, 10 @ 7:44 pm:

    greg in monticello shows us exactly why illinois is such a corrupt state! he prefers someone who will immediately be under investigation by the feds for corruption from the moment he takes office (given his background in using government to line his pockets) over someone who is as honest as the day is long. it’s hard to fathom why anyone would want to see three elected governors in a row ending up in the federal penitentiary…

  32. - Rich Miller - Wednesday, Oct 20, 10 @ 7:44 pm:

    OK, easy, people. Easy.

  33. - shore - Wednesday, Oct 20, 10 @ 7:46 pm:

    this woman is awful, she can’t ask her own question.

  34. - wordslinger - Wednesday, Oct 20, 10 @ 7:46 pm:

    –* Brady: “If you want an Illinois that looks more like an Indiana or a Tennessee…” vote for me–

    I wasn’t going to, but I sure won’t know. Are you kidding me? Does this guy have no clue or pride?

    My blood pressure just went through the roof. If this guy has no respect for those from Illinois who came before him and all they’ve done to advance not only American but Western Civilization, then I don’t even want to know him.

    I like a lot of folks and places in Indiana and Tennessee. But they’re not even in the ballpark in significance or necessity as Illinois.

    Mr. Brady, you can go to…. Indiana or Tennessee.

  35. - Publius - Wednesday, Oct 20, 10 @ 7:48 pm:

    Is it me or does Brady sound like a robot tonight? Quinn is rambling on while Brady is just monotone and emotionless. It could be C-Span though

  36. - shore - Wednesday, Oct 20, 10 @ 7:49 pm:

    quinn does something alexi hasn’t really done which is to force quinn/kirk to decide between their base and the state on issues. in this case it was immigration. the clearest sign last night that kirk is scared out of his mind of his base was his total dodge on immigration. Alexi isn’t smart enough to do this (hoffman would have), but quinn just did.

  37. - shore - Wednesday, Oct 20, 10 @ 7:51 pm:

    quinn is a much scrappier debater than brady.

  38. - Wizzard of Ozzie - Wednesday, Oct 20, 10 @ 7:51 pm:

    Greg- Deeeeeep breaths please.

  39. - Responsa - Wednesday, Oct 20, 10 @ 7:52 pm:

    I’m waiting for Quinn to say “yada yada yada” to complete one of his rambles. He does not appear to have prepared very well for this one. People who are interested/wonky enough to be watching this debate really do expect more information than they are getting from him and want more than abbreviated stump speech generalities.

  40. - Give Me A Break - Wednesday, Oct 20, 10 @ 7:53 pm:

    Greg: You might want to ask the pension question to your fellow downstater, Gov. Edgar.

  41. - shore - Wednesday, Oct 20, 10 @ 7:54 pm:

    quinn is making the same false argument on training people equals jobs. there are a lot of educated people without jobs right now. that’s the problem.

  42. - Give Me A Break - Wednesday, Oct 20, 10 @ 7:54 pm:

    My cat just walked over the remote and killed the power on the TV, he has had enough of this it appears.

  43. - Jo - Wednesday, Oct 20, 10 @ 7:55 pm:

    Can’t wait for the Quinn commercials running on Chicago TV the next couple of weeks:

    “If you want an Illinois that looks more like an Indiana or a Tennessee… vote for me”

    Wow. Just wow. Haven’t seen anyone say something so clueless in a loooonnnng time. And that was a prepared line!

  44. - shore - Wednesday, Oct 20, 10 @ 7:58 pm:

    quinn has mentioned bush repeatedly. alexi did not.

  45. - shore - Wednesday, Oct 20, 10 @ 8:00 pm:

    there was more substance in 5 minutes of this thing than there was all of last night. no games, no wishy washy stuff, no empty bs. 2 people who know who they are and what they want to do. that woman was a disgrace and there were no game changer questions.

  46. - Amalia - Wednesday, Oct 20, 10 @ 8:03 pm:

    Brady’s staffer prepping him for the debate:

    when they say abortion you say jobs…abortion….JOBS….abortion…JOBS!

  47. - Skeeter - Wednesday, Oct 20, 10 @ 8:03 pm:

    I must have read that wrong. Brady, the guy who will not reveal his secret budget plan until after the election, really accused Quinn of “punting”?

    No, there must be some mistake. Brady could not possibly have said that. It would be so utterly ridiculous, in the context, that even his friends and family would laugh at him for years. Around the dinner table they would say?: “Hey, remember that time that Bill accused somebody else of punting? He did it with a straight face — barely — but he did it! Yeah, that was pretty insane.”

  48. - Rich Miller - Wednesday, Oct 20, 10 @ 8:03 pm:

    ===that woman was a disgrace and there were no game changer questions. ===

    That’s because you understood neither the question nor the answer. It could be a game-changer if anyone bothers to pick up on it.

  49. - shore - Wednesday, Oct 20, 10 @ 8:06 pm:

    she didn’t seem to know what she was asking. It sounds very inside baseball to me.

  50. - (618) Democrat - Wednesday, Oct 20, 10 @ 8:06 pm:

    Quinn says Brady is a millionaire who doesn’t pay taxes. Brady wants to cut the minimum wage. Cutting $2000 from a minimum wage earner. The minimum wage earner pays more taxes than Brady.

    A fastball to the ribs! Brady can’t get outa the way! OUCH!

  51. - circularfiringsquad - Wednesday, Oct 20, 10 @ 8:07 pm:

    Slow no taxbill scorched on Juan. Blagoof kink raising cash yikes

  52. - Rich Miller - Wednesday, Oct 20, 10 @ 8:09 pm:

    shore, you have two very top Blagojevich insiders raising cash for Brady.

  53. - Wumpus - Wednesday, Oct 20, 10 @ 8:11 pm:

    I wsa in Louisville a week ago, I was amazed at the news. Positive stories, jobs created, good stuff., I come hom ean dhear about murders, etc. Kentucky may bot have the GDP of IL, but also don’t have many of the problems. That being said, it was a silly line.

    If Pat Quinn is not a lifelong politician, what is he?

    I can’t believe Pat Quinn is bringin up Bish, but forgetting he was LT Guv for Blago..2 times

  54. - ChuckT - Wednesday, Oct 20, 10 @ 8:13 pm:

    “They are good men and I look forward to their guidance,” Bill Brady referring to Juan Ochoa, former CEO of McPier and Dean Martinez, Rod Blagojevich’s Deputy Governor.

  55. - Publius - Wednesday, Oct 20, 10 @ 8:19 pm:

    I’m still wondering how can Brady dismiss the argument that he is not a career politician. I asked him once and he told me that being in the General Assembly does not count. What was he doing in the General Assembly all those years then? I don’t think he even knows, and Quinn needs to settle down and focus his statements. He likes to keep going and it turns people away

  56. - Jo - Wednesday, Oct 20, 10 @ 8:20 pm:

    Wumpus, Louisville has press release reporters… that’s why.

    Also, he said Tennessee. Further South.

  57. - Amalia - Wednesday, Oct 20, 10 @ 8:30 pm:

    turn Illinois into Indiana and Tennessee….no thanks!

  58. - Oswego Willy - Wednesday, Oct 20, 10 @ 8:33 pm:

    Brady’s Press Flacks/Debate “Preppers” I think made two errors that could be deemed fatal if not addressed, corrected, or reversed:

    Like Rich, if the press or Quinn can pick up on the follow-up of the female panelist …it will have serious legs ….

    The “Indiana-Tennessee” …in slamming Illinois as a prep for a debate is HORRIBLE. Someone tackle Brady the next time he compares IL.

    Do some damage control big-time, and maybe Brady can get out of this thing in one piece!

    MAY be fatal, but lets see how much Quinn bangs on the Tennessee-Indiana (ad????), and “the” follow-up as it will be deemed …


  59. - shore - Wednesday, Oct 20, 10 @ 8:34 pm:

    and we have the worst economy since the great depression entering year 3. Do voters sit at the dinner table and say, where’s my job or why is my chicago government so corrupt? if the economy was better, corruption would be the issue. It’s not so its jobs.

  60. - Rich Miller - Wednesday, Oct 20, 10 @ 8:37 pm:

    shore, it rebuts the “Blagojevich/Quinn” stuff by Brady.

  61. - shore - Wednesday, Oct 20, 10 @ 8:48 pm:

    it makes him look like a fraud.

  62. - Rich Miller - Wednesday, Oct 20, 10 @ 8:56 pm:


  63. - jimmy james - Wednesday, Oct 20, 10 @ 8:59 pm:

    gim - me thinks anyone who refers to the potus as barack hussein obama has lost any credibility…shoo fly

  64. - Give Me A Break - Wednesday, Oct 20, 10 @ 9:03 pm:

    Thursday Headline: “Brady Using Blago Insiders As Advisors”.

  65. - Rich Miller - Wednesday, Oct 20, 10 @ 9:06 pm:

    I’ll bet a hunnert bucks that nobody writes that headline. Or even close.

  66. - Give Me A Break - Wednesday, Oct 20, 10 @ 9:07 pm:

    Well there goes my Pulitzer for this year.

  67. - Chris - Wednesday, Oct 20, 10 @ 9:08 pm:

    I don’t think the voting public will make the connection that two people who once gave money, or even raised money, for Blago is the same as being his Lt. Governor for six years and saying that he was an honest and decent man in 2006 — after feds were already investigating Blago.

  68. - CircularFiringSquad - Wednesday, Oct 20, 10 @ 9:09 pm:

    NoTaxBill uses Blagoof funders to pay for campaign
    Game Set Match PQ
    Fire,Aim, Ready

  69. - Jo - Wednesday, Oct 20, 10 @ 9:14 pm:

    two people who once gave money, or even raised money, for Blago

    You mean one person who was Blago’s Deputy Governor at the time he was arrested, and another person who was Blago’s appointed head of McPier.

    That actually is more significant than being his Lt. Governor.

  70. - RMati - Wednesday, Oct 20, 10 @ 9:15 pm:

    Brady/Blagojevich 2010

  71. - socratic - Wednesday, Oct 20, 10 @ 9:18 pm:

    Well, 2 things about Tn for certain. Statistically, your IQ goes down if you move there, as does your kid’s ACT scores.

  72. - ShadyBillBrady - Wednesday, Oct 20, 10 @ 9:19 pm:

    There Rich goes again … Betting the easy one. That’s called “budgeting for results” (and now youngetbto drink again … You’re welcome).

  73. - Oswego Willy - Wednesday, Oct 20, 10 @ 9:21 pm:

    “The” follow-up, and the Indiana-Tennessee ….

    This is like watching a hurricane off-shore …will “it” hit Brady … will it be devistating … or not even hit Brady?

    You created this hurricane … will it take you down, or just stay away and be an afterthought …

  74. - Jo - Wednesday, Oct 20, 10 @ 9:21 pm:

    I mean seriously… Indiana is our New Jersey…

  75. - Chris - Wednesday, Oct 20, 10 @ 9:23 pm:

    – That actually is more significant than being his Lt. Governor. –

    My point is that I don’t think the voters see this kind of inside baseball stuff. Don’t think they’ll make that connection. After SLC, Blago, G. Ryan, M. Madigan, I don’t give Illinois voters much credit for being the smartest lot out there.

  76. - Jo - Wednesday, Oct 20, 10 @ 9:24 pm:

    You might be right, Chris, but at least be honest that these were two high-level Blagojevich hacks.

    Not random donors.

  77. - Chris - Wednesday, Oct 20, 10 @ 9:36 pm:

    Sure. You’re right, Jo. But what is their role with Brady? Attending a fundraiser is nothing. How much did they give? Did the check have a comma? If not, this is all BS. Question is what level of involvement. Even if they are Brady’s top strategists, it’s still not the same as running with him TWICE and saying he was a decent and honest guy — in the eyes of the voters. Nothing will take that away from Quinn.

  78. - RMati - Wednesday, Oct 20, 10 @ 9:42 pm:

    @Chris: Brady said he’ll welcome their advice. Advice. From ROD BALGOJEVICH’S right hand man. Get it?

  79. - Rich Miller - Wednesday, Oct 20, 10 @ 9:48 pm:

    Brady quote on Ochoa and Martinez: “I believe they are leaders in the Latino community. They did host a fundraiser for me… They are good people who care deeply about their community and their state. And i look forward to their guidance.”

  80. - Chris - Wednesday, Oct 20, 10 @ 9:49 pm:

    OK, point made. Still inside baseball. Hey, it’s a big tent over there in Bradyville. He’ll listen to them all.

  81. - Rich Miller - Wednesday, Oct 20, 10 @ 9:50 pm:

    Don’t kid yourself, man.

  82. - ShadyBillBrady - Wednesday, Oct 20, 10 @ 9:51 pm:

    So maybe Ochoa and Martinez illustrate why Brady wanted Quinn to fumigate more … He was headhunting for advisors and fundraisers.

  83. - james - Wednesday, Oct 20, 10 @ 9:51 pm:

    What makes this a story is the inherent contradiction between downstate Bill Brady’s fresh-start rhetoric and the revelation that he has welcomed two high-level Blago political operatives into his inner circle.

  84. - Chris - Wednesday, Oct 20, 10 @ 10:02 pm:

    Joke, Rich. I’m a GOPer who wouldn’t pass Brady’s purity test.

  85. - Oswego Willy - Wednesday, Oct 20, 10 @ 10:03 pm:

    ABC7 has “The” follow-up …. here we go

  86. - Wally - Wednesday, Oct 20, 10 @ 10:05 pm:

    The Democrat polling was listed in the primary, what was the Republicans 2 weeks prior to the primary?

    618Democrat, Brady does NOT want to reduce the minimum wage and who do you think paid more taxes the last 10 years, Quinn or Brady?

  87. - Oswego Willy - Wednesday, Oct 20, 10 @ 10:05 pm:

    NBC5 also had “THE” follow-up

  88. - StreetervilleSnookie - Wednesday, Oct 20, 10 @ 10:08 pm:

    There really are no profiles in courage anymore are there? Brady’s too cowardly to give specifics on his plans to cut the budget and Quinn’s too cowardly to stand up to AFSCME. I think Illinois deserves better than either one of these candidates.

  89. - Amalia - Wednesday, Oct 20, 10 @ 10:09 pm:

    There he is….Dean Martinez… photo on ABC7 news.
    Ahhhh, the combine lives on.

    plus, Brady doesn’t know any Hispanics but ones he picks up
    from Blago?

  90. - Kellen - Wednesday, Oct 20, 10 @ 10:30 pm:

    Brady made a mistake by not ramming Quinn harder on taking a dive for Rod in 2006 and in effect using all his dirty money to get re-elected.

    When Quinn started yammering about conflicts of interest tonight, Brady should have said: “You had the mother of all conflicts of interest—you could either be a person of principle and speak up about the rampant corruption or shut your mouth and get re-elected. You chose to serve yourself. You have therefore forfeited the right to lecture anyone on ethics.”

  91. - RandyLong - Thursday, Oct 21, 10 @ 12:33 am:

    Madigan’s number is irrelevant. Lt’s see how well his little girl does in her reelection race before making a judgement!

  92. - VanillaMan - Thursday, Oct 21, 10 @ 11:41 am:

    I don’t believe this poll.

  93. - Charlotte's Web - Friday, Oct 22, 10 @ 12:02 am:

    guys,you’re not getting the bigger picture here. Ochoa and Martinez held the fundraiser for Brady. They sent out invites with Martinez’s contact info. And it gets better, Alexi Giannoulias also used Ochoa to organize his fundraiser the night of the debate.

  94. - Charlotte's Web - Friday, Oct 22, 10 @ 12:07 am:

    I’ll be even more specific. Ochoa and Martinez are the gatekeepers. they sell their product as, “If you want Latinos behind you, we’ll make that happen, but once you’re in, its pay back.” This is how those guys got to previous positions. Do you think Blago put them there because he liked their smiles?

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