Capitol - Your Illinois News Radar » The people are with him
SUBSCRIBE to Capitol Fax      Advertise Here      Mobile Version     Exclusive Subscriber Content     Updated Posts    Contact
To subscribe to Capitol Fax, click here.
The people are with him

Monday, Jul 15, 2013

* From my weekly syndicated newspaper column

Years ago, Gov. Pat Quinn told a friend of mine that Illinois voters were pretty easy to understand. Illinoisans love populism, Quinn explained, so doing populist stuff was the way to win their hearts.

And if a recent Capitol Fax/We Ask America poll is correct, then Quinn has done just that with a line-item veto of legislative salaries and benefits. At least, for now.

Earlier today,” 1,217 registered Illinois voters were told the evening of July 10, “Governor Pat Quinn used his veto powers to suspend the salaries of state senators and representatives until they come up with what he thinks is an acceptable solution for the state’s pension crisis. The governor said he did so because he was tired of waiting for legislators to fix the problem, although options available are controversial and may be unconstitutional. Some called the action a ‘publicity stunt,’ while others said they hoped the governor’s plan spurred legislators to action.”

A very strong 66 percent of respondents said they approved of the governor’s action. Just 23 percent disapproved and 11 percent were uncertain. The poll had a margin of error of +/- 2.8 percent and 28 percent of the automated calls were made to mobile phones.

The results were pretty even, with 66 percent of women and 68 percent of men approving, while 65 percent of Republicans, 64 percent of Democrats and 69 percent of independents approved. Disapproval was in the low to mid 20s for all.

The survey found that 80 percent of suburban Cook County residents, 74 percent of Collar County denizens and 68 percent of Chicagoans backed the governor’s action. The only comparative weakness was among Downstaters, but a majority of 52 percent still approved with 34 percent disapproving. I’d take those numbers any day.

Lots of folks were quoted in the media last week comparing Quinn’s move to the Rod Blagojevich legislative wars. They’re right to an extent. Blagojevich and Quinn have played from many of the same populist playbooks. The difference is, Quinn really believes in this stuff.

And keep in mind that Blagojevich was elected governor twice. He successfully played that populist card to the hilt. Battles with the General Assembly are popular outside the Statehouse.

So, we can probably expect more of this from Quinn. The public just eats it up and because his personal polling numbers are so bad and because he’s failed at so many things it’s his only clear path to political victory.

But win or lose, this veto will come with a huge legislative pricetag. Legislators have, indeed, been dragging their feet on a pension reform deal for a very long time. But they have their reasons and they understandably hate being publicly embarrassed like this. Quinn has now made some very serious and long-lasting Statehouse enemies. He probably doesn’t care. But governance — and therefore the state — is gonna suffer.

Subscribers have full crosstabs.

I’ll post the rest of the column in a separate thread.

- Posted by Rich Miller        

  1. - wordslinger - Monday, Jul 15, 13 @ 10:02 am:

    I’m curious about the Downstate numbers. Could it be that there are a greater percentage of public workers Downstate, so they’re less inclined to look favorably on Banana Republic tactics to cut pensions?

  2. - Downstater - Monday, Jul 15, 13 @ 10:08 am:

    =Quinn has now made some very serious and long-lasting Statehouse enemies. He probably doesn’t care. But governance — and therefore the state — is gonna suffer.=
    Like it can get a lot worse in Illinois!!!

  3. - CircularFiringSquad - Monday, Jul 15, 13 @ 10:10 am:

    Anyone want to venture a guess on poll numbers if the opening of this question were used on any other topic…school funding…carry…maybe even marriage equality?

    “Governor PQ used his veto powers to suspend the salaries of state senators and representatives until they come up with what he thinks is an acceptable solution for …….”

    Might have also been fun for questions like:
    1. Who is governor?
    2. Should government workers get pensions?
    3. Has PQ offered any specifics? A. NO
    4. Has PQ persuaded any one? A. NO
    5. Has anyone said they will change their position because PQ is extorting the salaries.

  4. - Anonymous - Monday, Jul 15, 13 @ 10:11 am:

    “But governance — and therefore the state — is gonna suffer.”

    Honestly, Rich, how can it be any worse than his “governance” to date anyway? Whether people like it, hate it, or are ambivalent about it, I just don’t see it having any effect whatsoever on the pension policy. The Legislature will deal with or not– more likely not– on its own just as it has every other leadership decision since the Ryan administration.

  5. - Cassiopeia - Monday, Jul 15, 13 @ 10:12 am:

    Quinn ignores the fact that legislators have a lot of foot soldiers that will not be going door-to-door on his behalf come March and this can have a serious impact.

    I expect that voters will also be barraged with a lot of ads pointing out how incompetent, irresponsible and ineffective he has been as governor. The people may laugh at the antics of the clown but in the end they are not easily fooled, especially after falling for Blago twice.

  6. - lincolnlover - Monday, Jul 15, 13 @ 10:15 am:

    We downstate public employees don’t like the legislature any more than those who live in Chicago. It isn’t just that they can’t fix the pension problem, its that they can’t fix ANY problem. They waste their time making silly, fluffy laws instead of handling real issues like tax reform and public safety. I doubt that not paying them will make them work any harder, but, seriously, if I did my public job as badly as they do theirs, I would have been fired long ago, union or not.

  7. - Rich Miller - Monday, Jul 15, 13 @ 10:15 am:

    ===Honestly, Rich, how can it be any worse===

    Did you sleep through Rod’s reign?

  8. - Esquire - Monday, Jul 15, 13 @ 10:15 am:

    Illinois has not produced a solid Populist since William Jennings Bryan and he moved to Nebraska!

  9. - Levi - Monday, Jul 15, 13 @ 10:30 am:

    Don’t overlook, too, that Quinn has put AG Madigan between a rock and a hard place, as she’s asked to weigh in on the constitutionality of his move. If she sides with him, she gives him more gravitas and approbation and erodes some of the rationale for a run of her own. If she sides against him and with the General Assembly, she only adds support to the chief wariness that threatens her candidacy even in the germ, which is that she is in her father’s back pocket and is unable to be independent. Pols and professionals may not like him, but Quinn didn’t get to be governor by being an idiot, and he didn’t just fall off the turnip truck yesterday.

  10. - ZC - Monday, Jul 15, 13 @ 10:43 am:

    …. If only we’d voted for Mike Kelleher , back in 2002 ….

  11. - Fed up - Monday, Jul 15, 13 @ 10:44 am:

    As hard as it is for me to say. Quinn might of made a smart move here. Pension reform was going to get done anyways it probably won’t be constitutional but will get done. Now Quinn gets to act like it is his actions that caused the legislature to act.

  12. - Oswego Willy - Monday, Jul 15, 13 @ 10:47 am:

    Is there enough of a feel out there in the entire state that a Robin Kelly type of campaign could evolve into one or two issues that poll very well and allow a Populist to get re-elected, again, like Rod got elected, and re-elected under the guise of these populist ideas …statewide … given downstate’s feelings on CCW.

    Given the climate, how much weight can you put into a polulist campaign to win, given the other factors that are effecting this governor negatively in a re-elect?

    I guess that is why you poll things…

  13. - Stones - Monday, Jul 15, 13 @ 10:51 am:

    It does no good to bully elected officials in this fashion. The constitution would prohibit this but imagine reducing / eliminating a Judge’s salary following an unpopular ruling. To me, it just smacks of a stunt from someone who doesn’t know how to play in the sandbox.

  14. - MrGrassroots - Monday, Jul 15, 13 @ 11:03 am:

    It is not so much that this “populist” move by Quinn is wildly popular, as much as it sucks the oxygen out of Bill Daley’s campaign. Note the one-line reaction by Bill Daley’s campaign to the biggest news story of the past two to three days.

  15. - Madison - Monday, Jul 15, 13 @ 11:03 am:

    Does anybody know if the AV is a constituitional remedy by the governor or simply a process introduced by an act of the legislature? If so, it needs to be taken away from kids they they don’t hurt themselves or somebody else.

  16. - Madison - Monday, Jul 15, 13 @ 11:05 am:

    So they…

  17. - Norseman - Monday, Jul 15, 13 @ 11:08 am:

    The problem with the Blago/Quinn years is that too many decisions have been made on what is smart politically for the man instead of how to best govern the state.

  18. - RNUG - Monday, Jul 15, 13 @ 11:08 am:

    Madison @ 11:03 am

    The AV was put in place by the 1970 IL Constitution

  19. - RNUG - Monday, Jul 15, 13 @ 11:14 am:

    As someone who doesn’t trust government, even my own party members, Quinn’s move plays well on my “throw all the SOBs out” sentiment.

    As someone who also understands the constitutional issues, I see Quinn’s AV as a major threat to the entire representational process.

  20. - My thoughts... - Monday, Jul 15, 13 @ 11:16 am:

    Bravo to Rich and Eric Zorn. Since Quinn’s press conference announcing the salary freeze they are the only voices in the media expressing concern about the slippery slope the Guv is on with this move. I can’t believe the Sun-Times editorial board is okay with this. The Tribune’s position is no surprise…but still, aren’t the editorial boards supposed to be the adults in the room during big policy debates? Even the more ideological editorial boards usually advocate reasonable, middle-ground solutions and leave the p.r. histrionics to the politicians.

    Of course, the Tribune not only enthusiastically approved Quinn’s stunt, they begged him to do it a couple of weeks ago. That illustrates just how personally invested some of their editorial board members are in the pension debate. That’s fine — it’s obviously well within their right. But they should be careful about what they’re giving up. First, they’ve surrendered any moral authority to criticize Quinn or any other governor who suspends the General Assembly’s pay in the future, or for that matter, the General Assembly if they do the same thing to the governor. You really can’t maintain your credibly and be okay with ignoring the most basic tenant of American government — the separation of powers — “just this one time.”

    But more importantly, the Tribune is chipping away at whatever influence and integrity they have left as an editorial board. By going “all-in” in support of a showboating gimmick by the governor, they have finally given up on any pretense of serving as determined-but-sober advocates of pension reform. They look like emotional partisans, which will erode their “brand” in the long term. People might pay a little more attention to their editorials given all the arm waving they’re doing — and in the internet age that might be a good marketing strategy by the Trib. Maybe there are more page views in that. But by giving up their traditional, intellectually honest position on the center-right of the public debate, they’re becoming less of a factor in influencing policy and elections.

  21. - Anonymous - Monday, Jul 15, 13 @ 11:20 am:

    Did I sleep through Rod’s reign? No, sadly, I had to endure working in it. But Quinn is every bit as ineffectual as Blago, just less criminal.

    Cass says it well here:
    “I expect that voters will also be barraged with a lot of ads pointing out how incompetent, irresponsible and ineffective he has been as governor. The people may laugh at the antics of the clown but in the end they are not easily fooled, especially after falling for Blago twice.”

  22. - Oswego Willy - Monday, Jul 15, 13 @ 11:20 am:

    ===I see Quinn’s AV as a major threat to the entire representational process.===

    The fact that the GA overrode the Amendatory Veto so quickly, with limited discussion, makes me take solace in the fact that representative government is working in Illinois.

    The broad powers of the Executive to AV legislation, which sometimes leads to a comnplete re-writing of what was passed, led to the GA to use its powers to override the specific Veto, all the while leaving that broad power of the Executive the same as it was before Quinn used the AV.

    Watching the sausage get made makes even the most weathered observers queasy.

  23. - walkinfool - Monday, Jul 15, 13 @ 11:24 am:

    Word: Or could it be that many downstaters just cannot bring themselves to give Quinn any credit at all?

  24. - RNUG - Monday, Jul 15, 13 @ 12:02 pm:

    Oswego Willy,

    I was referring to Quinn A/V lining out the GA’s salaries … don’t believe that has been overridden yet.

    I agree with your remarks re CCW.

  25. - Anonymous - Monday, Jul 15, 13 @ 12:11 pm:

    - RNUG -,

    Apologies on my confusion.

    To the salaries, yeah, tough to think representative government might be compromised by if the legislators are paid for being good or bad to a governor, but I guess Madigan not pushing the override is allowing the whole situation to fester, leaving Quinn with fewer opportunities to have tools available to grandstand(?)

    That may be the “lead”, buried in all of this; Madigan not overriding leads to what?

    All good, - RNUG -, apologies.

  26. - Oswego Willy - Monday, Jul 15, 13 @ 12:13 pm:

    Stupid “smart” phone …

    Above was me.

  27. - Demoralized - Monday, Jul 15, 13 @ 12:16 pm:

    ==Does anybody know if the AV is a constituitional remedy by the governor or simply a process introduced by an act of the legislature?==

    It’s in the state Constitution. Illinois has a very powerful governor in terms of his abilities to do things under the state Constitution.

  28. - Anonymous - Monday, Jul 15, 13 @ 12:28 pm:

    i think the poll reflects general disgust w govt, esp state govt, from top to bottom. quinn is playing to that w the AV. the public eats it up, but in the meanwhile very few, other than rich and zorn, suggest it is a bad way to go. it is difficult/impossible for legislators to defend themselves.

    so this round goes to quinn. but payback is a “witch”. anything quinn wants or needs from the GA is DOA. if he does manage to get anything, he will pay a pound of flesh.

    meanwhile, on the campaign trail, every candidate will be piling on Q. deservedly so. if the election were this november, he might divide and conquer. but we have 16 months to go. if this is his only play, it will be long forgotten.

  29. - dupage dan - Monday, Jul 15, 13 @ 2:04 pm:

    The Tribune must be looking at these numbers and lamenting the fact that they can’t seem to get all those folks to buy their paper despite the fact that the paper has seemed to have bought the whole populist view that Quinn has.

    Dr Pavlov would be have given Quinn an A++++++.

  30. - Woodpecker50 - Monday, Jul 15, 13 @ 5:13 pm:

    Good luck trying to sell newspapers after siding with the Squeeze. I admit I never subscribed and never will. The paper and Squeeze are doomed.

  31. - Just The Way It Is One - Monday, Jul 15, 13 @ 8:20 pm:

    Fabulous, insightful Column…thanks for the free Read and reflection!

  32. - Flan - Tuesday, Jul 16, 13 @ 8:03 am:

    I have to ask, why do you go with the rest of the media herd and call it “pension reform”? Reform means the system is broken. The pension system isn’t broken, it’s underfunded and has been for years. “Patent reform” is an accurate term, since our patent system in this country is utterly broken and needs repaired.

    This is pension reduction. It is not reform. Please stop confusing the two terms.

Sorry, comments for this post are now closed.

* Reader comments closed for Thanksgiving
* Campaign miscellaneous
* Question of the day
* Rauner's appointees kept Illinois in Crosscheck
* Illinois Policy Institute's lobbying arm got $2.5 million last year from group that bankrolled Merrick Garland fight
* There's more to Springfield than horseshoes
* Pritzker unveils opioid plan
* *** UPDATED x1 - Mendoza responds *** Rauner admin: "There can be no assurance that a budget will be enacted in future fiscal years"
* New Proft TV ad claims Durkin and Madigan "like Illinois state government just as it is"
* Rauner: "Illinois is at the edge of disaster"
* Shimkus won't endorse in gubernatorial primary
* Pritzker is taking a page from Rauner's 2014 campaign (in a good way)
* Biss wants more tax return details
* *** UPDATED x5 - Pritzker, ILGOP, Pritzker, Rauner, ILGOP respond *** Pritzker clarifies tax stance after Crain's interview
* Sen. Murphy endorses Silverstein challenger
* State GOP again demands that Durbin and Duckworth give away their Franken money
* Yesterday's stories

Visit our advertisers...





* Illinois governor's race: 'Are we going to have.....
* McCaleb: Reasons to be thankful in tax-and-spen.....
* Gubernatorial race coming to a polling place ne.....
* GUEST COLUMN: Legislating responsibly in regard.....
* Ex-Buffalo Grove Mayor Ends 59th District State.....
* GEORGE WILL: 2018's most important, expensive, .....

* Philanthropy earns Howard Buffett spot on Wall of Fame
* Police to target shoppers abusing handicapped parking spots
* Man stabbed to death in Carbondale, girlfriend charged
* TransCanada: Over 24K gallons of oil recovered from spill
* Court: Stress no grounds for rescinding guilty pleas
* Fire at Metra station in Wheaton
* Report says multiple DCFS workers in Illinois attacked
* 3 charged in April slaying of Chicago area Lyft driver
* Operative in Mexican drug cartel appears in Chicago court
* Sexual harassment lawsuit against Rutherford dismissed

* Laura Campbell suspended from IDOT job for interviewing friend for job
* Sex-harassment lawsuit against Rutherford dismissed
* Hunters take 51,365 deer during first firearm weekend
* House task force to review sexual harassment
* Electric cars, better fuel efficiency spell doom for Illinois gas tax
* Springfield wants out of legislation limiting payments for 5G antennas
* Fact check: Are Gov. Rauner's grandparents immigrants?
* Londrigan accused of attacking Davis for 'opposite' of remarks
* Gov. Rauner signs sex harassment legislation
* Under the Dome Podcast: Governor's race, sexual harassment, Rodney Davis

* Judge swears in new U.S. attorney for northern Illinois
* Get ready to pay more to keep the lights on . . .
* Get ready to pay more to keep the lights on—by turning power plants off
* Chicago is buying into bitcoin in a big way
* Correction

* Woman, 24, shot in Old Irving Park
* Georgia Nicols horoscopes for Nov. 24, 2017
* Dear Abby: Tenant misbehaves, blames sleepwalking
* 2 charged after running from stolen vehicle in Loop
* High school friends play 50th Turkey Bowl
* Lombard home uninhabitable after fire, no injuries reported
* Flynn lawyers make a break with Trump team
* Barton to go mum over disclosed photo, citing probe
* Sound heard in Argentine sub search was likely ‘explosion’
* Woman, 24, shot in Bronzeville drive-by

* Sound heard in Argentine sub search was likely 'explosion'
* Zimbabwe's ruling party assured Mugabe he wouldn't face prosecution
* 3 wounded in Chicago shootings, including 1 shot by security guard
* Man charged with robbing students in Grant Park, 2 others still sought
* Homeless man accused of stealing $50 from man who said he had no cash
* Man killed is among 6 shot: 'You have to hope that no one comes down the street shooting.'
* Odd holiday gifts for the Chicago sports fan in your life
* Man says, 'You deserved it,' shoots at slain man's grave: Prosecutors
* Blackhawks' John Hayden fined for second high-sticking penalty in three games
* Friday's matchup: Bulls at Warriors

» Cinderella Chicago Football Team Heads to State, Aiming For Repeat
» Senior Republican Congressman Declines To Endorse Gov. Rauner
» AT&T Pushing 'Small Cells,' But Some Cities Object
» Third-Party Candidates Want Rules Eased To Get On Ballot
» Third Party Candidates Want Rules Eased To Get On Ballot
» How Chicago’s New Budget Could Affect You In 2018 — And Beyond
» How A Chicago Cop Sentenced To Prison Could Affect The Jason Van Dyke Trial
» Illinois Lawmaker's Plan To Combat Opioid Abuse With Cannabis
» Black Lives Matter Takes On Hunger With New Food Box
» State Week: Are Voters Thinking About 2018?

* Laura Campbell suspended from IDOT job for interviewing friend for job
* Counterpoint: Car buyers lose when government tells them what to buy
* Point: US automakers are swept up in a global electric-vehicle rush
* Eugene Robinson: Congress should investigate Trump's alleged sexual misconduct
* Thumbs Up: To local football teams going to state tournaments
* Bernard Schoenburg: Lineup for 2018 to get going with filing
* Our View: Forget the excess, give thanks for simple needs being met
* Sex-harassment lawsuit against Rutherford dismissed
* Hunters take 51,365 deer during first firearm weekend
* Byron York: Six scenarios for GOP disaster in Roy Moore Senate race

* Belleville Thanksgiving 5K
* Belleville seeks to demolish 'dangerous' home
* Belleville woman gives emotional appeal to save home from demolition
* Crash claims another life
* Hundreds of volunteers, families turn out for busiest 'Mr. Thanksgiving' meal yet
* Carbondale native walks in 'Project Runway' season finale
* Third person dies after I-55 crash that killed Staunton sisters
* Belleville apartment building evacuated after Thanksgiving Day fire
* Holiday shopping kicks off in Decatur
* Road construction will mean detours in Davenport this week

* AP source: Flynn lawyers make a break with Trump team
* China reports breaking up gang that moved $3 billion abroad
* Bucket Bowl: Indiana, Purdue put postseason hopes on line
* Giants get 1 1st down, 47 yards in half, lose 20-10 to Skins
* Mississippi stuns No. 16 Mississippi State 31-28 in Egg Bowl

* US lawmakers urge Trump to prod Rody on dr...
* Republican tax overhaul plan gets mixed re...
* Mary Kramer is named group publisher of Cr...
* Geneva Chamber honors Gaines for 40 years ...
* DOJ to ban US lawmakers should Duterte ord...
* Panel encourages women to consider careers...
* US lawmakers to Duterte: 'Sovereignty does...
* Letter: Why I support Lauren Underwood - N...
* Hultgren and Ruppersberger: Protect infras...
* This RSS feed URL is deprecated

* This RSS feed URL is deprecated...

* This RSS feed URL is deprecated...

* Can Chicago support more pro soccer? Does North Side want its own team?
* Refugee Families Celebrate First Thanksgiving At St Thomas Of Canterbury
* The Week In Chicago Rock
* What You Need To Know About The FCC's Plan To End Net Neutrality
* Happy Thanksgiving & Happy Holidays
* Thanksgiving – a holiday diminished?
* Watch Hanbun chef David Park turn a spicy, fermented condiment into dessert
* Restaurant Slated For Lawrence House Retail Space
* Thanksgiving in Chicago: best things to do
* Is it time to reimagine justice and accountability for sexual misconduct?

* Illinois Awarded Funds to Offer Advanced Training on Detecting Impaired Driving
* Illinois EPA Announces Upcoming Household Hazardous Waste Collection Events
* IEMA Highlights Emergency Preparedness for People with Access and Functional Needs in May - Ready Illinois website offers preparedness tips for people, caregivers
* First Lady Launches Illinois Family Connects
* Governor and Lt. Governor Unveil 2016 Journal of Local Government Shared Service Best Practices

* Razer Phone’s camera deemed “a dealbreaker,” but it will get better
* The Pocketnow Black Friday 2017 deals watchlist
* The Moto Z’s Alexa Smart Speaker is mostly useless
* [TA Deals] The Treblab X11 headphones are discounted more than 80%
* [Deal] Pick up some cheap SD cards from Amazon’s Black Friday sales
* Verizon quietly launches $30 and up Ellipsis 10 HD, offers free ZenFone V with new lines
* Pixel phones get instant access to Google Lens through Google Assistant

* Terrerobytes: Hall of Fame letter obscures Hall of Fame ballot
* Sox team with Chicago comedian vs. cancer
* MLB clears two offseason obstacles
* Black Friday sale: Take 25 percent off in Shop
* Take 25 percent off Shop orders $25 or more
* Climb machine: Eloy working way up to MLB
* First year of White Sox rebuild closing with 40-man maneuvering

Main Menu
Pundit rankings
Subscriber Content
Blagojevich Trial
Updated Posts

November 2017
October 2017
September 2017
August 2017
July 2017
June 2017
May 2017
April 2017
March 2017
February 2017
January 2017
December 2016
November 2016
October 2016
September 2016
August 2016
July 2016
June 2016
May 2016
April 2016
March 2016
February 2016
January 2016
December 2015
November 2015
October 2015
September 2015
August 2015
July 2015
June 2015
May 2015
April 2015
March 2015
February 2015
January 2015
December 2014
November 2014
October 2014
September 2014
August 2014
July 2014
June 2014
May 2014
April 2014
March 2014
February 2014
January 2014
December 2013
November 2013
October 2013
September 2013
August 2013
July 2013
June 2013
May 2013
April 2013
March 2013
February 2013
January 2013
December 2012
November 2012
October 2012
September 2012
August 2012
July 2012
June 2012
May 2012
April 2012
March 2012
February 2012
January 2012
December 2011
November 2011
October 2011
September 2011
August 2011
July 2011
June 2011
May 2011
April 2011
March 2011
February 2011
January 2011
December 2010
November 2010
October 2010
September 2010
August 2010
July 2010
June 2010
May 2010
April 2010
March 2010
February 2010
January 2010
December 2009
November 2009
October 2009
September 2009
August 2009
July 2009
June 2009
May 2009
April 2009
March 2009
February 2009
January 2009
December 2008
November 2008
October 2008
September 2008
August 2008
July 2008
June 2008
May 2008
April 2008
March 2008
February 2008
January 2008
December 2007
November 2007
October 2007
September 2007
August 2007
July 2007
June 2007
May 2007
April 2007
March 2007
February 2007
January 2007
December 2006
November 2006
October 2006
September 2006
August 2006
July 2006
June 2006
May 2006
April 2006
March 2006
February 2006
January 2006
December 2005
April 2005
March 2005
February 2005
January 2005
December 2004
November 2004
October 2004

Blog*Spot Archives
November 2005
October 2005
September 2005
August 2005
July 2005
June 2005
May 2005


RSS Feed 2.0
Comments RSS 2.0

Hosted by MCS SUBSCRIBE to Capitol Fax Advertise Here Mobile Version Contact Rich Miller