Capitol - Your Illinois News Radar » Behind the grandstanding
SUBSCRIBE to Capitol Fax      Advertise Here      Mobile Version     Exclusive Subscriber Content     Updated Posts    Contact
To subscribe to Capitol Fax, click here.
Behind the grandstanding

Wednesday, Jul 31, 2013

* Missed in all the hoopla over the lawsuit filed to stop Gov. Pat Quinn’s legislative salary veto was this report from WUIS’ Brian Mackey

The 10-members of the bipartisan conference committee have been meeting for more than a month. A good chunk of that time has been waiting for actuaries to analyze the various proposals — seeing how much of Illinois’ nearly $100 billion in unfunded pension liabilities might be eliminated.

“We sent a — hopefully — a final round of scoring back to the actuaries to come up with some solution,” says Sen. Bill Brady, R-Bloomington.

He says there’s been “a great deal of compromise” among his fellow pension committee members.

“I’m hopeful that our work and effort will bring the conference committee to a consensus resolution, and then we can employ the legislative leaders to help us pass a bill,” he says.

So, they’ve been compromising and they may be on their final draft.

* And maybe the governor ought to be asked about this salient point at the Chicago presser he’s holding today to cut yet another ribbon…

Like other members of the committee, Brady says he hasn’t heard from Gov. Pat Quinn — or anyone on the governor’s staff — since Quinn vetoed lawmakers’ salaries as punishment for not passing pension legislation.

Quinn has not changed a single legislative mind on pension reform. They’re making progress despite his grandstanding, not because of him.

- Posted by Rich Miller        

  1. - Stones - Wednesday, Jul 31, 13 @ 9:29 am:

    And whatever final document comes from the committee (assuming it passes through the legislature and is signed by the Governor) must pass muster with the Court. It should be an interesting ride the next few months.

  2. - Anon. - Wednesday, Jul 31, 13 @ 9:30 am:

    ==He says there’s been “a great deal of compromise” among his fellow pension committee members.==

    I feel so much better knowing that the wolves are resolving the issue of which sheep gets eaten first in a spirit of compromise rather than confrontation.

  3. - Oswego Willy - Wednesday, Jul 31, 13 @ 9:35 am:

    The mere fact that Quinn is absent, and progress is being made without him explains WHY Quinn needs to grandstand, so Populist Pat Quinn can inject Governor Pat Quinn into the narrative, even at the cost of an Unconstitutional move and an attempt to redefine the seperation of powers and extortion.

    A “governor” would be working with the Conference Committee, working the levers, so when this rolls out, a sahre of the pats on the back, a share of the blame for the compromise, and a share of the “cover” needed for passage can ensure… jst that … passage of a Constitutional Pension Plan, passing muster on al levels, and allowing a claim of voctory for all ….ALL.

    That… is what a “governor” does.

  4. - wordslinger - Wednesday, Jul 31, 13 @ 9:36 am:

    Quinn’s in full election mode. I’m sure he’s enjoying having the support of the sideshow barkers like the Tribbie edit board and Kass. Beats governing, but it’s way too early if you’re a serious governor.

  5. - Small Town Liberal - Wednesday, Jul 31, 13 @ 9:57 am:

    I know when I want an honest answer about Pat Quinn, my first source is Bill Brady.

  6. - Anonymous - Wednesday, Jul 31, 13 @ 10:15 am:

    Quinn has been a gadfly, and a very competent one at that, for the last 40+ years. He has honed those skills to virtually an art form. Kudos to him.

    But gadflying and governing require two radically different skill sets. Those who govern immerse themselves into negotiations and details as does any good manager. Those who become gadflies flit from issue to issue, touching down to tell us what should be done and then moving on to the next.

    We have learned over the years that gadflies cannot govern. Forgetting for a moment about the Tribune, why should any of us be surprised that Governor Gadfly cannot govern?

  7. - dupage dan - Wednesday, Jul 31, 13 @ 10:17 am:

    This issue could likely end up in the background as the presses are being warmed up to print out the latest screeds regarding the lawsuit filed by Madigan and Cullerton.

    I have to admit I was skeptical of this “blue ribbon committee” coming up with anything substantive. While we haven’t seen their final report yet, it does appear they are grappling with the issue given Brady’s comments.

    I can see the sideshow barkers now - “this way to the great egress”.

  8. - horseracer - Wednesday, Jul 31, 13 @ 10:32 am:

    The conference committee was Pat Quinn’s idea. Never forget.

  9. - Anon - Wednesday, Jul 31, 13 @ 10:36 am:

    If progress could have been made without the Governor’s veto of salaries, why didn’t a bill pass during regular session? Why can’t the general assembly do their job without being poked and prodded. The GA is full of mushrooms, and they begged to be in this position through their talk and inaction.

  10. - RNUG - Wednesday, Jul 31, 13 @ 11:07 am:

    Anon @ 10:36am,

    The GA as a whole couldn’t make much progress because they didn’t want to face the real, legal, solution to the pension problem - raising more revenue to actually make the needed level of payments.

    It will be interesting to see what the committee actually comes up with. If it is just a bunch of the recycled diminishment ideas, the issue will be in court for the next year. Based on the public hearings, the committee was also listening to revenue enhancement possibilities and that might be part of the package. There might also be a new ‘Tier 3′ path forward for new hires and a choice for existing employees to switch plans.

    Whatever the committee comes up with, I hope they make every part severable from every other part, because it is likely that unconstitutional actions will be part of the whole package. I would hate to see whatever real progress there is derailed by tying it all into one unseverable package.

  11. - Truth teller - Wednesday, Jul 31, 13 @ 11:28 am:

    The criticism of Quinn is simply trying to pass the buck. The paycheck-withholding move was foretold when Quinn warned the legislature there would be consequences for non-action if they didn’t pass pension reform.

    Put simply, the legislators are now pinned down and need to pass something — anything — because the general public now understands who has been holding up the process. And that includes both GOP and Dem legislators.

  12. - ILPundit - Wednesday, Jul 31, 13 @ 11:30 am:

    In fairness, everyone mocked Quinn when he called for the conference committee in the first place. The same people are mocking him for the salary move. But it seems to me that — in the larger analysis — both moves kept the heat on the issue where in past sessions it would have quietly faded as an issue due to lack of media oxygen.

    He may not be changing minds, or adding to the policy debate, but he should get credit for keeping the fire stoked and hot on this issue.

  13. - A guy... - Wednesday, Jul 31, 13 @ 12:08 pm:

    OW is on target as usual. Whether it’s in spite of or because of, it matters little. Different folks will be motivated in different ways. The issue is “budging” now. I think the law suit yesterday is part of this. No matter where the heat is coming from, it’s hot enough to inspire progress. If the Gov. would currently sign either of the bills stuck in the legislature, he’d certainly sign one that is a compromise. It’s probably better the Governor’s people aren’t in there right now.

  14. - Les - Wednesday, Jul 31, 13 @ 12:19 pm:

    What are the chances the salary veto HURTS pension reform… Would another
    Il Supremes ruling that constitutional guarantees can not be touched by the
    legislative process halt any Con Cmtte proposals?

  15. - Truth teller - Wednesday, Jul 31, 13 @ 1:30 pm:

    Les: Doing nothing now on pension reform would be cutting off their nose (re-election) to their face (Quinn).

    Yes, the legislature will do everything in their power to make it “appear” Quinn’s actions did not move them to action (if indeed any “action” occurs). But again, the ball is in their court: Either they play ball or risk the wrath of the electorate.

    And yes, OW is right: If the Gov. was involved in the conference committee meetings, they’d simply attack him as opposed to working on the issue.

  16. - Arthur Andersen - Wednesday, Jul 31, 13 @ 1:36 pm:

    As others note, this committee was Quinn’s idea. STL, nice cheap shot, but there is zero upside for Brady, his Party, or the Committee in making false statements about what is happening there, especially when they are easily refutable.

    What is most likely going on is some combination of actuarial work dragging on, members not liking the results, and/or logistics associated with the fact it’s late July.

  17. - Small Town Liberal - Wednesday, Jul 31, 13 @ 2:20 pm:

    - there is zero upside -

    Are you kidding me?

  18. - A guy... - Wednesday, Jul 31, 13 @ 3:51 pm:

    Very possible they are examining the numbers from a few (3 or more)actuaries on this. Whatever the savings are ?, they’re going to want to be as accurate and united in thought as possible. Could be we’re waiting on a fight between guys throwing slide rules, calculators and protractors at each other right now.

  19. - RNUG - Wednesday, Jul 31, 13 @ 4:03 pm:

    Assuming there is a proposed ‘Tier 3′ and it will be a optional choice for existing employees, the arguments are probably over what percentage would switch. It’s easy to rate things when it is either/or; it’s tough when it is maybe/maybe not.

    Either that, or the committee has a firm “savings target” they want to hit, and the choices they’ve sent off to be scored haven’t hit that number yet.

  20. - Rudy - Wednesday, Jul 31, 13 @ 5:11 pm:

    If PQ hadn’t demanded a conference committee, there wouldn’t be one. The legislature would be home, waiting for fall session. They are making progress because the Governor demanded they stay at it.

  21. - Rich Miller - Wednesday, Jul 31, 13 @ 5:14 pm:

    ===If PQ hadn’t demanded a conference committee, there wouldn’t be one.===

    Perhaps not, but that doesn’t mean there would’ve been no summer talks. Don’t delude yourself.

  22. - Rich Miller - Wednesday, Jul 31, 13 @ 5:16 pm:

    Also, don’t kid yourself into thinking that the governor has changed a single legislative mind on this issue.

  23. - Michelle Flaherty - Wednesday, Jul 31, 13 @ 6:04 pm:

    If Brady can’t be trusted because he’s a candidate, then nether can Quinn.

  24. - wordslinger - Wednesday, Jul 31, 13 @ 6:08 pm:

    –If Brady can’t be trusted because he’s a candidate, then nether can Quinn.–

    I was surprised Brady accepted the assignment, given the heat.

    But if the committee comes back with a bipartisan agreement that passes both chambers, he’ll get loads of good press and a real boost to his campaign.

    The Supremes will weigh in further down the road, of course, but that’s a story for another day.

  25. - Yabadaba - Wednesday, Jul 31, 13 @ 6:44 pm:

    it’s like three Nero’s playing their fidle while Rome burns.
    Although the GA has taken entirely too long to do pension reform including some cost shift tot he real employers who dtermine salaries, they appear to be on the cusp if the so-called Governor was paying attention at all. instead all he does is throw occasional bombshells (his whole career) arther than be at the table every day with th e legislators fashioning a solution. his actions have only delayed the state’s needs.

  26. - Norseman - Wednesday, Jul 31, 13 @ 10:19 pm:

    I’m going with the thought that Quinn’s stunt will end up delaying a pension reduction bill, not hasten it. Again, I’ll give him props for a good political re-election stunt, however, this further marginalizes him as a government leader. Unfortunately, political prowess and governmental incompetency has been the hallmark of the Blago/Quinn years.

  27. - Budget Watcher - Thursday, Aug 1, 13 @ 7:31 am:

    For the most part, I agree that the pension negotiations are moving despite Quinn’s grandstanding actions, not because of them. However, if grandstanding is his way of publicly calling out the General Assembly, his way of keeping the harsh spotlight on their work, then it may end up being an effective method. I’m not saying I admire or support the concept of shaming or embarrassing your partners, but if that’s all you have and it yields some progress, then I guess you say it worked.

    Of course, the long term impact of working with you partners is forever damaged. But then again, his relationship was already incredibly poor, so what has he really lost?

Sorry, comments for this post are now closed.

* Madigan taps Maggie Hickey for independent investigation of House
* New photos of the Executive Mansion, and some vintage ones
* Question of the Day
* Wisconsin gerrymandering case punted by Supreme Court
* Morrison defends his handling of SVP arrested twice for child sex crimes
* Rauner campaign launches two new initiatives
* Adventures in data governing
* Higher ed group to continue working this summer
* *** UPDATED x4 *** State Senate candidate once dressed up in blackface for Halloween
* Brady says GOP leveraged balanced budget from nervous Dems
* Politifact rates Rauner Legionnaires' claim 'False'
* Former 'Chicago Tonight' host Elizabeth Brackett has died
* Yesterday's stories

Visit our advertisers...






* Dale Gardner Veterans Memorial Bridge plaque un.....
* Rauner campaign launches two new initiatives..
* Illinois to fund Medicaid preventative dental s.....
* Vote in the Scott Stantis cartoon caption contest..
* State, Lake County Resolutions Critical Of Foxc.....
* History buffs may want to consider a trip to Sp.....
* Instagram posts from Aurora's first ever ga.....
* State, federal governments push for overdose pr.....
* Brady says GOP leveraged balanced budget from n.....
* Illinois Budget Bill Makes Few Tax Changes exce.....

* Canadian man identified in fatal Illinois skydiving accident
* Correction: Skydiver Death-Illinois story
* Records: Trump Tower failed to follow fish protection rules
* Illinois to fund Medicaid preventative dental services
* Mother of man fatally shot by central Illinois police sues
* Search continues for 2 after southern Illinois jail escape
* Indiana residents oppose development of waste facility
* Cleanup of massive central Illinois rock slide begins
* Midwestern states endure flash flooding, heat wave
* New organization that honors black firefighters to open

* Chatham man wins Illinois Bicentennial coin design contest
* Rauner to consider allowing medical cannabis for opioid patients
* Bipartisan work yields gun bills, fate rests with Rauner
* Rauner names Justin Blandford curator of Governor's Mansion
* Rauner names Williamsville woman interim HFS director
* Both Rauner and Pritzker have donated to Mansion renovations
* Both candidates for governor have donated to Mansion renovations
* Illiopolis boy helps push bill to cover hearing aids for kids
* Under the Dome Podcast: AFSCME lawsuits everywhere, #MeToo fallout, governor ad war
* Rauner says more ads coming like one featuring other Republican governors

* Here's what Walgreens' new downtown digs will look like
* Trump: Sanctuary cities order should be limited to Chicago
* Trump administration seeks Supreme Court order on sanctuary cities
* Michigan Avenue penthouse sells for $8 million
* Show us your office!

* At start of LeGrier trial, cop who fired fatal shot defended as ‘reasonable’
* Second driver identified in fatal wrong-way crash on I-57
* Barry Trotz resigns as Capitals’ coach after Stanley Cup win
* Rahm joins parade slamming Trump policy to separate families at US-Mexico border
* FBI’s Wray, Justice Dept. grilled over Clinton email investigation report
* Disney issues seizure warning about ‘Incredibles 2’ for fans with epilepsy
* Emanuel says Amazon ‘really liked’ two Chicago sites
* Chicago, look to the future and go ahead with Elon Musk’s tunnel to O’Hare
* Slave owners and Nazis quote Romans 13 to justify immorality, too
* Body found in burned vehicle in Gary

* Cubs' Javier Baez out against Dodgers, Kris Bryant bats leadoff
* Emanuel: Amazon 'really likes' two Chicago sites
* Hundreds of immigrant children are being held in fenced cages at border facility
* Divided District 64 board seeks committee to weigh in on school resource officer program
* JetBlue founder looks to start new low-cost U.S. airline, reports say
* Porter County cop accused of exposing himself to women
* Trial opens in 2015 police shooting in which bat-wielding teen and bystander killed
* Turano Baking seeks new office building in south Oak Park
* A day before his father sent to prison in Turkey, Knicks' Enes Kanter talked democracy in Mount Prospect
* Rocker Tommy Lee's drama with son Brandon gets ugly on Father's Day

» Illinois Bicentennial Coin Unveiled
» Austin Texas, Like Chicago, Is Struggling With Pedestrian Safety
» Push To Bridge Gender Wage Gap Continues
» Pediatrics For Transgender Kids; ‘Pay What You Can’ Yoga Studio; Illinois Politics
» Dad-isms: Jokes and Lessons Our Fathers Taught Us
» Parkland Survivors Join Chicago Youth, Celebrities At St. Sabina's Peace March
» Why Don’t Chicago Beaches Have A Poop Threshold?
» Furniture From Closed CPS Schools Ends Up In Surprising Places
» Students Go Back In Time To Record On Machine That Democratized Music
» State Week: AFSCME Contract; Abortion Court Fight; Former Madigan Staffer Responds To Accusations

* Chatham man wins Illinois Bicentennial coin design contest
* Rauner to consider allowing medical cannabis for opioid patients
* George Will: Congress suffers arthritic knees from genuflecting to presidential power
* Bipartisan work yields gun bills, fate rests with Rauner
* Bernard Schoenburg: Gov. Rauner owns Sangamon farmland — with somebody
* Bernard Schoenburg: Rauner owns Sangamon farmland — with somebody
* Angie Muhs: New reporter will focus on local business coverage
* Our View: City should not put competing township referendum on ballot
* Faith Coalition for the Common Good: Leaders impact lives of homeless
* Statehouse Insider: Illinois second to Missouri again

* St. Louis Children’s Hospital will show free screening of East St. Louis football doc
* Collinsville man charged with murder in fatal shooting of former neighbor
* Welcome to campus, Ayo
* Shots fired, body found, strange coincidence
* Chatham student designs winning Bicentennial coin
* Illinois to fund Medicaid preventative dental services
* Franklin County town hall to tackle opioid misuse
* BBB warns customers about Rural King, citing 'an underlying pattern of complaints'
* State police investigating after man shot dead by officer during domestic disturbance
* Fire calls

* What suburban members of Congress are saying about Trump immigration policy
* Correction: Skydiver Death-Illinois story
* Report: Shooting in Sweden leaves 4 injured
* H. Clinton: Separating families at border a 'moral crisis'
* Trump admin. asks high court to halt sanctuary cities ruling

* Apartment building with affordable units p...
* The Mothers and Offspring Mortality and Mo...
* Kelly likely to keep seat
* Conway Laments Migrant Family Separation &...
* Berthoud High School second semester honor...
* Luis Gutierrez: GOP Is Using Xenoph...
* How Donald Trump and Chuy Garcia Broke the...
* Lipinski to hold events for 3rd District r...
* Rep. Davis to host military family roundtable
* Peyton Reed Reveals If 'Ant-Man And Th...

* Rebellious Resistance Guide: How to Fight ......
* Monday, June 18, 2018...
* Lvm Capital Management LTD Decreased Its B......
* Great West Life Assurance Company Has Uppe......
* Trump tweets Dems and GOP should get toget......

* Rebellious Resistance Guide: How to Fight ......
* The Democrats' Myopic Reaction to the ......
* Tammy Duckworth for Senate Tammy......
* Our view: GOP group spot on in recent Blag......
* "Senator Tammy Duckworth …&quo......

* Windy City Ribfest Kicks Off July Fourth Holiday Weekend
* The nutty Trump trolls, the Korea agreement and Democrat cold-warriors.
* “They could be murderers and thieves.” Donald Trump.
* Survey: U.S. Public Skeptical That North Korea Will Get Rid of Nukes
* Judicial Watch Sues State Department for Obama-Era Records on Refugee Resettlement Site Locations
* LA Times: High cost of housing drives up homeless rates, UCLA study indicates
* Clark Co joins growing number of Illinois counties passing resolutions upholding Second Amendment
* Talking is better than war.
* Don Hellison.
* 50% oppose sanctuary communities in new Rasmussen poll

* 2017 Wabash County Tentative Multiplier Announced
* Liquor Control Commission Underage Compliance Report for Cook County
* Liquor Control Commission Underage Compliance Report for Will Count
* Multi-State Salmonella Outbreak Linked To Cereal

* Tronc to change name back to Tribune Publishing after years of ridicule
* YouTube Music and YouTube Premium are officially launching today, includes more countries
* KCC comes to confirm the existence of an LG smartwatch with Wear OS
* Microsoft says it’s ‘dismayed’ by child separations after criticism over ICE contract
* FCC filing hints at the Moto C2 Android Go smartphone from Motorola
* Google removes Uber integration in Maps with no explanation
* OnePlus’ Kyle Kiang talks OnePlus 6 and record sales

* Cleveland Indians vs. Chicago White Sox lineups for Monday, ...
* White Sox Minor League News and Notes, 6/11 to 6/17
* White Sox Weekly Minor League Update: Week 11
* White Sox Weekly Minor League Update: Week 11
* Robert returns from injury to make pro debut
* Dominguez leads DSL Orioles to 4-0 win over DSL White Sox
* Cleveland Indians: Previewing three-game series against the Whit...

Main Menu
Pundit rankings
Subscriber Content
Blagojevich Trial
Updated Posts

June 2018
May 2018
April 2018
March 2018
February 2018
January 2018
December 2017
November 2017
October 2017
September 2017
August 2017
July 2017
June 2017
May 2017
April 2017
March 2017
February 2017
January 2017
December 2016
November 2016
October 2016
September 2016
August 2016
July 2016
June 2016
May 2016
April 2016
March 2016
February 2016
January 2016
December 2015
November 2015
October 2015
September 2015
August 2015
July 2015
June 2015
May 2015
April 2015
March 2015
February 2015
January 2015
December 2014
November 2014
October 2014
September 2014
August 2014
July 2014
June 2014
May 2014
April 2014
March 2014
February 2014
January 2014
December 2013
November 2013
October 2013
September 2013
August 2013
July 2013
June 2013
May 2013
April 2013
March 2013
February 2013
January 2013
December 2012
November 2012
October 2012
September 2012
August 2012
July 2012
June 2012
May 2012
April 2012
March 2012
February 2012
January 2012
December 2011
November 2011
October 2011
September 2011
August 2011
July 2011
June 2011
May 2011
April 2011
March 2011
February 2011
January 2011
December 2010
November 2010
October 2010
September 2010
August 2010
July 2010
June 2010
May 2010
April 2010
March 2010
February 2010
January 2010
December 2009
November 2009
October 2009
September 2009
August 2009
July 2009
June 2009
May 2009
April 2009
March 2009
February 2009
January 2009
December 2008
November 2008
October 2008
September 2008
August 2008
July 2008
June 2008
May 2008
April 2008
March 2008
February 2008
January 2008
December 2007
November 2007
October 2007
September 2007
August 2007
July 2007
June 2007
May 2007
April 2007
March 2007
February 2007
January 2007
December 2006
November 2006
October 2006
September 2006
August 2006
July 2006
June 2006
May 2006
April 2006
March 2006
February 2006
January 2006
December 2005
April 2005
March 2005
February 2005
January 2005
December 2004
November 2004
October 2004

Blog*Spot Archives
November 2005
October 2005
September 2005
August 2005
July 2005
June 2005
May 2005


RSS Feed 2.0
Comments RSS 2.0

Hosted by MCS SUBSCRIBE to Capitol Fax Advertise Here Mobile Version Contact Rich Miller