Capitol - Your Illinois News Radar » Dealing with Pat Quinn’s mess
SUBSCRIBE to Capitol Fax      Advertise Here      Mobile Version     Exclusive Subscriber Content     Updated Posts    Contact
To subscribe to Capitol Fax, click here.
Dealing with Pat Quinn’s mess

Thursday, Aug 27, 2015

* Sun-Times

Tim McCarthy, the chief of the southwest suburban Orland Park Police Department, said he formed a 12-officer Crisis Intervention Team about a year ago and will add five officers to the team in October.

The closing of the Tinley Park Mental Health Center in 2012 by former Gov. Pat Quinn has led to a spike in emergency calls about people with mental illness, he said. In 2014, his department was involved in 160 involuntary committals of people for mental health treatment, up from only four in 2011.

“That tells me the mental health system is failing,” he said in an interview. “Sheriff Dart is calling on restoring more funding to the state budget to support mental health, and we would totally agree.”

- Posted by Rich Miller        

  1. - Austin Blvd - Thursday, Aug 27, 15 @ 9:19 am:


  2. - Phenomynous - Thursday, Aug 27, 15 @ 9:19 am:

    But, Rauner.

  3. - anon - Thursday, Aug 27, 15 @ 9:23 am:

    Quinn did whatever the Trib told him to do–worked out well for him don’t you think?

  4. - Austin Blvd - Thursday, Aug 27, 15 @ 9:27 am:

    When the great pundits start calling the current situation “Rauner’s Mess”? Can’t even pay the bills and logging up more.

  5. - Weltschmerz - Thursday, Aug 27, 15 @ 9:28 am:

    McCarthy is wrong. Quinn re-directed the monies to community organizations that did early intervention.

  6. - Mama - Thursday, Aug 27, 15 @ 9:37 am:

    Do private & public insurance companies not cover the cost of treating mental illness?

  7. - siriusly - Thursday, Aug 27, 15 @ 9:55 am:

    Thanks for the abstract, but I won’t click to read the whole article even though I want to. sun times website is un readable.

    The policing vs treatment statement is powerful.

  8. - Give Me A Break - Thursday, Aug 27, 15 @ 9:58 am:

    Mama: The issue of private insurance covering MI has been a subject going back to the first “insurance parity bill” (HB 0111, 89th General Assembly).

    There have been steps made but for too long, MI treatment was not a mandated coverage insurance providers had to provide.

  9. - walker - Thursday, Aug 27, 15 @ 10:00 am:

    ==In 2014, his department was involved in 160 involuntary committals of people for mental health treatment, up from only four in 2011.==

    That’s quite a statistic, which needs more understanding.

    Is it that people who were formerly institutionalized long term, and are now in local community settings are being encountered by his team? Could that possibly account for all of this difference? There’s got to be more.

  10. - Amalia - Thursday, Aug 27, 15 @ 10:01 am:

    yes policing vs. treatment is a powerful statement. but this, like the issue with criminals, is often a discussion of who should be locked away. community intervention on both the criminal and mental health end is not always the answer. we have become a country that thinks first of the civil liberties of the homeless, the mentally ill, and criminals and second about dangers and problem solving. while I loathe Rauner, the problem with mental health treatment in this country started down a slippery road in the 1970s. sometimes people really are a danger to themselves and others.

  11. - Mama - Thursday, Aug 27, 15 @ 10:09 am:

    “There have been steps made but for too long, MI treatment was not a mandated coverage insurance providers had to provide.”

    Why? That law makes no sense because MI is as treatable as many illnesses that are covered. People need to come out of the dark ages on MI.

  12. - Mama - Thursday, Aug 27, 15 @ 10:13 am:

    Not requiring insurance coverage for Mental Illness must mean the insurance companies are lining the politicians pockets.

  13. - Give Me A Break - Thursday, Aug 27, 15 @ 10:16 am:

    Mama: The fight was an intense battle between mental health providers and advocates and the groups like the Illinois Chamber and NFIB who said forcing employers and insurance providers to cover MH treatment would cost jobs and lead to employers dropping all coverage.

    At the time, the Illinois Insurance Code stated plans did not have to cover MH treatment at the same levels of other treatments.

    We have made progress, but issues like access to community level care, cutting edge medications, cuts to state MH services and involuntary treatment continue to impede many from seeking or obtaining treatment.

  14. - downstate commissioner - Thursday, Aug 27, 15 @ 10:17 am:

    Believe that some insurance policies only cover 50% of mental illness treatments, and/or have a total cost cap.

  15. - Mama - Thursday, Aug 27, 15 @ 10:21 am:

    ==In 2014, his department was involved in 160 involuntary committals of people for mental health treatment, up from only four in 2011.==
    Considering how many people live in IL, 160 is a very small percentage of the population, but how many MI people who should have been committed, but were not - due to no treatment center to send them?

  16. - Cassandra - Thursday, Aug 27, 15 @ 10:21 am:

    I thought MI treatment was one of the essential benefits under the ACA.

    I’m sure there are lots of aspiring state bureaucrats who would love to see a return to large long-term institutions for those suffering from mental illness. Lots of govt patronage associated with those behemoths, not to mention plenty of lush contracts for those who know the right pols. Not so great for the residents, of course.

  17. - Rich Miller - Thursday, Aug 27, 15 @ 10:23 am:

    ===Considering how many people live in IL, 160 is a very small percentage of the population,===

    We’re talking Orland Park here, not the entire state.

  18. - Menard Guy - Thursday, Aug 27, 15 @ 10:23 am:


    I’m assuming you’re joking? Early intervention has little to do with mental illness. McCarthy is absolutely right. Tom Dart will tell you that the Cook County jail is the nation’s largest mental health center. And involuntary committals by the police are only done when someone is threatening suicide. It has nothing to do with more officers being trained. Cause and effect is just as McCarthy says. I’m afraid the sequel to “Escape from New York” will soon be “Escape from Illinois.”

  19. - Mama - Thursday, Aug 27, 15 @ 10:24 am:

    If Mental Illness was wiped out with treatments, who would the NRI blame the next time there is a mass shooting?

  20. - Daniel Plainview - Thursday, Aug 27, 15 @ 10:25 am:

    Nonsense. Keeping antiquated institutions open isn’t the solution for this problem, and Pat Quinn recognized that.

    More money for community based care is needed, but bring that up with those currently in office.

  21. - Mama - Thursday, Aug 27, 15 @ 10:29 am:

    Sorry Rich, I should have said Orland Park instead of IL. The point is, there are not enough places (including hospitals) equipped to treat the serious MI population.

  22. - Mama - Thursday, Aug 27, 15 @ 10:30 am:

    You are correct that antiquated institutions are not the answer for treating MI, but throwing the MI people out on the streets is not the answer either.

  23. - Truthteller - Thursday, Aug 27, 15 @ 10:48 am:

    The average stay at Tinley Park was less than thirty days. Individuals were stabilized there and returned to their communities. Now they are not being stabilized, creating havoc for themselves and for their communities.
    You can thank liberals who have a bias against these facilities and right-wingers who have a bias against any government spending.Quinn does not stand alone on this policy debacle

  24. - Anyone Remember - Thursday, Aug 27, 15 @ 10:49 am:

    While institutions may not be the best for most MI, Illinois does not have enough beds for those who truly need it.

  25. - VanillaMan - Thursday, Aug 27, 15 @ 10:55 am:

    “That tells me the mental health system is failing,”

    That also tells everyone that there is NO mental health “system”.

  26. - Precinct Captain - Thursday, Aug 27, 15 @ 11:07 am:

    The Tinley Park MHC site was and is a disaster. The building is filled with asbestos, the land is littered with buried fuel tanks, and the soil has lead contamination.

  27. - Precinct Captain - Thursday, Aug 27, 15 @ 11:07 am:

    By the way, the Sun-Times story leaves out all that context around Chief McCarthy’s comments.

  28. - Loop Lady - Thursday, Aug 27, 15 @ 11:29 am:

    On average, how many homeless mentally ill folks do you see on the streets on a daily basis where you live/work?

    Obamacare cant help these folks, and it looks like the State can’t/won’t either…

  29. - DuPage - Thursday, Aug 27, 15 @ 11:30 am:

    Tim McCarthy is right. Same thing happened in Elgin decades ago. New medicines came out that would cure the mental illness, but only as long as they were taking it every day. The patients were given a bottle of pills, and let out the front gate. No follow up. The patients would forget to take their meds, lose the meds, or someone would steal the meds from them. Within a few days, their condition is back, and they end up homeless. They wander the streets carrying all their possessions in shopping carts. Sometimes the police would pick them up and give them a ride back to the state hospital and drop them off to get their meds. Sometimes that helped, sometimes after waiting for hours, the patients forget what they are doing and wander off. Sometimes the police try to find help elsewhere for the patients. They found a homeless man suffering from PTSD and acute alcoholism, they took them over to a VA hospital and were told “we would admit him, but we can’t because he has no address”.
    Police have a lot of other things to do and these budget cuts end up costing a lot of police time turning them into social workers of last resort.

  30. - @MisterJayEm - Thursday, Aug 27, 15 @ 11:37 am:

    Without a doubt, one of Pat Quinn’s biggest mistakes.

    – MrJM

  31. - Wordslinger - Thursday, Aug 27, 15 @ 11:40 am:

    Did they just push them out the door in Tinley Park? Was there no placement?

  32. - Tinley park facts - Thursday, Aug 27, 15 @ 12:02 pm:

    Quinn closed Tinley as part of the state’s bigger deinstitutionalization movement. The place was an antiquated dump and its daily census was down to about 2 dozen patients when it closed. The state replaced that bed capacity by entering into contracts with several area hospitals to rent beds on their mental health floors. At least initially, the state was spending about the same amount on the private hospital plan as it spent on Tinley Park.

    The problem is that the mental health safety net was inadequate when Tinley was open and it still is now. Blaming the problem on the closing of Tinley is just convenient.

    A bigger problem might have been Rahm closing most of the city’s neighborhood mental health clinics. Quite a few suburbanites used those facilities. The Chicago public health folks, to their credit, didn’t turn them away.

  33. - Juice - Thursday, Aug 27, 15 @ 12:05 pm:

    Thanks for posting this Rich, because it is a perfect example of what Willy has been saying for months.

    Here’s some history. In the FY ‘12 budget, Governor Quinn proposed funding the Tinley Park Mental Health center for the full year. The General Assembly, led by the House, on a bi-partisan vote, cut the appropriation specifically for Tinley Park by 50%. Quinn then announced that he was closing it, and portions of the GA and the public lost their collective minds. The administration then got money restored in FY 12 so that the facility could be closed in a more deliberate way, but there was still an understanding that it would be closed, which was part of the agreement to get those approp a restored in FY 12. But yes, this is Quinn’s mess, because as OW says, Governor’s own.

  34. - anon - Thursday, Aug 27, 15 @ 12:09 pm:

    deinstitutionalization-nice word for budget cutting–this is all about Quinn’s unwillingness to pass the required revenue needed (with a democratic legislature_ to fund democratic priorities–good riddance–the guy was a complete and utter disaster–

  35. - Shawshank Red - Thursday, Aug 27, 15 @ 12:19 pm:

    Is this the same gentleman who was wounded back in 1981 during the attempt on President Reagan’s life? If so, I believe he is a completely credible source about the need to bolster mental health.

  36. - stateandlake - Thursday, Aug 27, 15 @ 12:30 pm:

    Yes, that’s him.

  37. - Mama - Thursday, Aug 27, 15 @ 12:52 pm:

    The MI problems were around long before Quinn was the governor. My old brain doesn’t remember the year or the governor, but the MI deinstitutionalization movement started before Quinn.

  38. - Formerly Known As... - Thursday, Aug 27, 15 @ 1:28 pm:

    ==In 2014, his department was involved in 160 involuntary committals of people for mental health treatment, up from only four in 2011.==


    Many people warned Gov Quinn this is what would occur. There is no excuse.

  39. - Tournaround Agenda - Thursday, Aug 27, 15 @ 2:41 pm:

    @DuPage, there’s no such thing as a medication that just magically “cures” mental illness so long as you take it consistently. Medication can be an effective tool when coupled with therapy and other treatment, but it’s oversimplifying things to simply say taking meds will keep mentally ill people off the streets.

  40. - Jeff Park Mom - Thursday, Aug 27, 15 @ 2:48 pm:

    Word - It was a short term stay mental health hospital, not a residential facility. As funding was cut - see Juice @ 12:05 - staff was laid off and beds were no longer available to people who needed care.
    Tinley Park “Facts” - Again see Juice - the low bed numbers at the end were due to funding cuts, not reduced demand. And as was predicted during earlier attempts to close Tinley, private hospitals in the area didn’t want to serve the more disturbed patients Tinley helped, even with state money. Those are the folks in jails and prisons as a result.

  41. - the q - Thursday, Aug 27, 15 @ 2:53 pm:

    I am curious about what effect the closure of Jacksonville Developmental Center had on the police in that city. Many of the individuals that lived there were transitioned into community living centers and not all were ready for that step.

  42. - Percival - Thursday, Aug 27, 15 @ 4:32 pm:

    The thing about the mentally ill is that if we don’t deal with them one way, we will have to in another. They don’t go away.

  43. - sal-says - Thursday, Aug 27, 15 @ 6:54 pm:

    Shocking. I say, shocking. Decisions have consequences. Cuts to programs have consequences. Everybody hates taxes. Shocking, I say.

Sorry, comments for this post are now closed.

* More shenanigans!
* Saturday campaign money report
* *** UPDATED x2 *** Shenanigans!
* Tribune drops bombshell on Biss running mate
* Reader comments closed for the weekend
* Rauner: "Madigan has rigged the Democratic primary for Pritzker"
* New Ives radio ad claims Democrats are trying to help Rauner, while Brady does Rauner robocall
* *** UPDATED x1 - DGA responds *** Elections board says DGA should file disclosure for Ives ad
* SUBSCRIBERS ONLY: Jones; IEA/IFT; Reis; Mitchell; Edgar
* ISRA, Drury both try to claim Raoul inserted "poison pill" into gun bill
* Pro-life group launches GOTV effort for Lipinski
* *** UPDATED x1 *** Rauner opens new online track against Ives
* Erika Harold still can't remember comments, but says "I was wrong"
* Rauner calls Madigan "a unified force of bad, of evil"
* Sen. Duckworth gets involved in another state central committee race
* *** UPDATED x2 *** Has Pritzker gone to ground?
* Illinois House Bill HB 4900 Wastes Government Resources
* McCann, barred from SGOP caucus meeting, claims Rauner threatened to "destroy you and your family"
* *** UPDATED x1 *** Caption contest!
* Obama mailer kerfuffle in Lipinski district
* Rauner attended Quincy campaign event after Quincy veterans' home presser
* After spending millions in Dem primary, Rauner accuses "Washington liberals" of "hijacking" the GOP primary
* Yesterday's stories

Visit our advertisers...








* Senate GOP leader talks guns, voter fraud..
* Here are the questions for Tuesday — the answer.....
* Why is the race for Cook County Assessor gettin.....
* Here are the questions for Tuesday — the answer.....
* Tom Kacich | Democratic early-voting turnout is.....
* Editorial: Don’t lose chance to frame debate; v.....
* Teams to monitor voting across Illinois for pri.....
* State Senators Pushing For High Speed Internet..
* Place your bets? Illinois preparing for legal s.....
* Final battle time for the Democratic civil war .....

* City of Chicago increasing security at Millennium Park
* Holcomb signs bill to replenish eroded NW Indiana beaches
* Illinois primary puts focus on security of state voter rolls
* EXCHANGE: Historian doesn't want hero's story lost
* EXCHANGE: Losing a limb has not handicapped Pekin bowler
* Illinois governor race more fierce, costly as primary nears
* Judge gives FBI more time in alleged serial killer case
* Michigan shipwreck hunters find schooner that sank in 1873
* Immigrant reunited with child months after separation by US
* SIU consolidating student housing to west side of campus

* As primaries loom, downstate Democrats look for a way back
* Pritzker defends putting $69.5 million of his fortune into campaign
* Illinois governor race more fierce, costly as primary nears
* Madigan backs Dem central committee incumbent in 13th
* Trump factor looms large in Illinois governor primary campaigns
* Ray LaHood brokers deal for O'Hare expansion
* McCann says Rauner threatened to 'destroy' him in 2015 over vote
* Rauner looking into state buying vacant nursing home in Quincy
* Luciano: What if Downstate dumped Chicago and formed new state?
* AP review: Push for gun laws faces resistance in most states

* Crain's tells the stories of women in business
* Like our roundup? Share it around.
* Amazon search team in Chicago next week
* Amazon HQ2 search team visiting Chicago March 21-22
* Pension mess? You'd hardly know it from 2018's gubernatorial candidates.

* Here are the questions for Tuesday — the answers are up to you
* Sean Bean on his many deaths and ‘Game of Thrones’ legacy
* Man shot in Gage Park
* Sun-Times/WBBM Religion Roundup: Anti-Semitic incidents in Illinois up sharply
* 2 wounded in shooting on Dan Ryan
* Man wounded in Portage Park drive-by shooting
* Man accidentally shot at Englewood apartment
* Man shot while standing on sidewalk in Homan Square
* 3 injured, 2 critically, in DeKalb crash
* Missing 76-year-old man last seen driving in Park Manor

* Turtle racing's had a long, slow burn in Chicago
* Annual Las Vegas homecoming renews Bryce Harper subplot for Kris Bryant
* Rocky toppled: Clayton Custer's do-or-die shot lifts Loyola over Tennessee and into Sweet 16
* NBC renews 'Will & Grace' for season 3, adds to season 2 episode order
* LeBron James' triple-double too much for Bulls as Cavs pull out 114-109 victory
* 'Saturday Night Live': John Goodman, Fred Armisen make surprise appearances
* Kyle Schwarber's improvements evident in spring training
* Russia votes but outcome is clear: 6 more years of Putin
* North Korean diplomat heads to Finland for U.S. talks
* Turkey says its forces take control of Syrian town of Afrin

» A Feisty Debate, Offshore Accounts — And Some Side-Eye
» WBEZ’s Chicago and Illinois News Roundup: March 16, 2018
» The Week in Review: Pritzker Slammed Over Offshore Holdings
» Web Extra, The Week in Review: American Airlines Changes Stance
» How Parking Ticket Debt Punishes Black Drivers In Chicago; The Best Illinois Movies
» State Week: Rauner's Gun Veto; Dem's Mean Debate
» #642 Songs About the Music Industry & Antibalas
» March 15, 2018 - Full Show
» Illinois Has Issues: Gov Candidates Talk Marijuana
» Rauner: Replace Legionnaires’-Stricken VA Home With New ‘Ultra-Modern’ Facility

* As primaries loom, downstate Democrats look for a way back
* Pritzker defends putting $69.5 million of his fortune into campaign
* Statehouse Insider: Sadly, the primary campaign is coming to an end
* Bernard Schoenburg: My predictions for Tuesday's primary election
* Our View: A recap of The State Journal-Register’s endorsements
* Bernard Schoenburg: Guessing who will be celebrating Tuesday night
* Madeleine Doubek: Time to end gerrymandering in Illinois
* United Way: Reporting results that matter
* Illinois governor race more fierce, costly as primary nears
* Madigan backs Dem central committee incumbent in 13th

* Alexander County enters utility deal with SmartWatt that could save the county
* The primary election is Tuesday. Here's what you need to know before you vote.
* Good cause, fellowship, food draws thousands to Mennonite Relief Sale
* Significant Structures: Burnham Athenaeum
* All-Area Girls' Basketball 2018
* Silver anniversary
* Few choices appear on primary ballot
* Decatur and Macon County Neighbors: Obituaries published today
* 'It is going to be extremely difficult': Southern Illinois leaders prepare for cuts from governor's proposed budget
* Daily Digest 3/18/18

* The reasons behind Blackhawks winger Patrick Kane's warmup tradition
* Indiana trail group wants Nickel Plate rail preservation
* Sevilla loses 2-1 to Leganes in Spanish league
* Philippine leader urges nations to exit international court
* Egypt censors play 'Before the Revolution,' author appeals

* Dem Intel Member: Lewandowski Avoided Trum...
* Endorsement: Quigley for the Democrats in ...
* Getting To Know Steve Schwartzberg
* Bernard Schoenburg: My predictions for Tue...
* Bernard Schoenburg: My predictions for Tue...
* Dem Intel Member: Lewandowski Avoided Trum...
* 14th District candidates agree: Global war...
* ICOs Draw Fire at US Congressional Hearing...
* What to Expect When Congress Talks ICOs To...
* 7 Democrats talk strategy for winning Tues...

* Durbin Slams Clinton for Remarks About 'Ba......
* US Senator Durbin: No government shutdown ......
* Senator Dick Durbin: No government shutdow......
* Congolese mother and child finally reunite......
* Congolese mother arrives in Chicago, still......

* Zinke defends use of Japanese word: How co......
* Congolese mother and child finally reunite......
* Schatz to convene field hearing on false m......
* Congolese mother arrives in Chicago, still......
* Duckworth on Zinke's improper use of Japan......

* This week.
* Tucker: Washington not worried about male wage crisis
* State of the Legal Industry: A Leading Innovator Concludes that Inefficiency Prevails
* Wednesday, March 14, 2018
* Monday, 3/12/2018
* Online University Programs and Microcredentials Enhance Professional Learning
* AI is the new electricity, says Coursera’s Andrew Ng
* Bolstering Academic Integrity in the Online Classroom
* Here’s 5 Reasons Why You Should Study An Online MBA In 2018
* 3 Technologies that Education Needs, But Have Not Been Created

* February Flooding Information
* IEMA Urges People to Prepare for Severe Weather
* Governor issues state disaster proclamation for flooding in Iroquois, Kankakee, Vermilion Counties
* Winter Storm Warnings for Areas Along and North of I-80
* IEMA Encourages People to Prepare for Earthquakes

* My bubble wrap phone case doubles as an audio experience
* Must read: top 10 Android stories
* Honor View 10 international giveaway!
* Stop whining, GDPR is actually good for your business
* Counterclockwise: the story of Galaxy S phones, part 2
* Cambridge Analytica’s use of Facebook data was a ‘grossly unethical experiment’
* Oculus Go standalone VR headset rumored to launch at F8 developer conference

* White Sox announce James Shields as Opening Day starter, because of...
* Cool with No. 2? Avi paces Sox 5-2 win
* Lefty Ross making case for bullpen spot
* Shields honored to be Opening Day starter
* Shields honored to be Opening Day starter
* Shields to start for White Sox on Opening Day
* Shields to start for White Sox on Opening Day

Main Menu
Pundit rankings
Subscriber Content
Blagojevich Trial
Updated Posts

March 2018
February 2018
January 2018
December 2017
November 2017
October 2017
September 2017
August 2017
July 2017
June 2017
May 2017
April 2017
March 2017
February 2017
January 2017
December 2016
November 2016
October 2016
September 2016
August 2016
July 2016
June 2016
May 2016
April 2016
March 2016
February 2016
January 2016
December 2015
November 2015
October 2015
September 2015
August 2015
July 2015
June 2015
May 2015
April 2015
March 2015
February 2015
January 2015
December 2014
November 2014
October 2014
September 2014
August 2014
July 2014
June 2014
May 2014
April 2014
March 2014
February 2014
January 2014
December 2013
November 2013
October 2013
September 2013
August 2013
July 2013
June 2013
May 2013
April 2013
March 2013
February 2013
January 2013
December 2012
November 2012
October 2012
September 2012
August 2012
July 2012
June 2012
May 2012
April 2012
March 2012
February 2012
January 2012
December 2011
November 2011
October 2011
September 2011
August 2011
July 2011
June 2011
May 2011
April 2011
March 2011
February 2011
January 2011
December 2010
November 2010
October 2010
September 2010
August 2010
July 2010
June 2010
May 2010
April 2010
March 2010
February 2010
January 2010
December 2009
November 2009
October 2009
September 2009
August 2009
July 2009
June 2009
May 2009
April 2009
March 2009
February 2009
January 2009
December 2008
November 2008
October 2008
September 2008
August 2008
July 2008
June 2008
May 2008
April 2008
March 2008
February 2008
January 2008
December 2007
November 2007
October 2007
September 2007
August 2007
July 2007
June 2007
May 2007
April 2007
March 2007
February 2007
January 2007
December 2006
November 2006
October 2006
September 2006
August 2006
July 2006
June 2006
May 2006
April 2006
March 2006
February 2006
January 2006
December 2005
April 2005
March 2005
February 2005
January 2005
December 2004
November 2004
October 2004

Blog*Spot Archives
November 2005
October 2005
September 2005
August 2005
July 2005
June 2005
May 2005


RSS Feed 2.0
Comments RSS 2.0

Hosted by MCS SUBSCRIBE to Capitol Fax Advertise Here Mobile Version Contact Rich Miller