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Tuesday, Mar 28, 2017

* From the St. Louis Regional Chamber…

* The Question: Outlook?

- Posted by Rich Miller        

  1. - Anon - Tuesday, Mar 28, 17 @ 2:52 pm:

    Magic 8-ball says, “Outlook not so good.”

  2. - Michelle Flaherty - Tuesday, Mar 28, 17 @ 2:55 pm:

    So you’re saying there’s a chance?

  3. - A guy - Tuesday, Mar 28, 17 @ 2:57 pm:

    You just don’t know til you know. And even then you might not know, you know.

    The lower end of “maybe” is where it looks to be at this very moment.

  4. - Henry Francis - Tuesday, Mar 28, 17 @ 2:59 pm:

    Not sure one can expect anything other than continuation of the status quo.

    I don’t see anythin changing until after the election.

  5. - Cubs in '16 - Tuesday, Mar 28, 17 @ 2:59 pm:

    Grim; as in Reaper.

  6. - Anonymous - Tuesday, Mar 28, 17 @ 3:00 pm:

    A grand bargain is challenging, therefore the outlook is so unlikely that it is on life support.

    Well, we can just check back in a few months - soap operas are like that; you can skip a few months without really missing anything.

    Mr. Kelly, a new Republican governor? Who do you see challenging Rauner in the primary?

  7. - illini - Tuesday, Mar 28, 17 @ 3:05 pm:

    Outlook? Very improbable, but maybe there is hope if he can sell his TAA in Cairo and Alexander County.

    And @Anonymous@3:00 - get a nickname.

  8. - Earnest - Tuesday, Mar 28, 17 @ 3:08 pm:

    Outlook: no hope. What Rauner wants not to happen, Rauner gets not to happen.

  9. - SOIL M - Tuesday, Mar 28, 17 @ 3:09 pm:

    Two chances. Slim and None. Slim left town a few weeks ago

  10. - Norseman - Tuesday, Mar 28, 17 @ 3:09 pm:

    Grimm, with monsters and everything!

  11. - Ray del Camino - Tuesday, Mar 28, 17 @ 3:11 pm:

    Not bloody likely . . .

  12. - Oswego Willy - Tuesday, Mar 28, 17 @ 3:15 pm:

    If this was a “Magic 8-Ball”… It would be too cloudy to see the single dice arbitrarily being random to the “turn”, all the while leaking “blue” liquid as its being shook…

    That’s the outlook.

    To the “question” itself,

    Here’s the rub for me. This is the only thing I can see where action, reaction, and a result occurred.

    Leader Radogno got close enough with President Cullerton to find a Grand Bargain and but significant heat/pressure on Speaker Madigan with one chamber finding headway, and agreement, to end the hostage taking.

    Rauner stepped in, undercut Leader Radogno, actually “spoke” for her caucus, through the Office of the Governor.

    If I want to believe that anyone here is close for a good outlook, I need to look past intention sabotage to process.

    I’m not ready to do that, but I’m behind President Cullerton’s efforts, and I’m squarely, 100% behind Republican Leader Radogno and her unwavering commitment to get a Grand Compromise.

    That’s where I am, show me intentional sabotage is over, then I’m all in.

  13. - @MisterJayEm - Tuesday, Mar 28, 17 @ 3:15 pm:

    I gave up on making predictions a few months back.

    – MrJM

  14. - Ducky LaMoore - Tuesday, Mar 28, 17 @ 3:18 pm:

    How many old, white people does it take to get to the center of the budget problem? The world may never know….

  15. - Il annoyed - Tuesday, Mar 28, 17 @ 3:19 pm:

    I think the political situation needs to shift dramatically before a GB is possible. But, that can happen fast.

    To me some of the key questions are:
    1.Do Republicans decide associatin with Rauner is more toxic than his money is lovely. In this case, perhaps some show independence and vote for a GB.

    2.Does the prospect of Eastern, Western, CSU, NEIU, and SIU Carbondale goin belly up (and they will without money soon) move lawmakers to budget? It would seem that there’d be huge political damage to wrecking those institutions.

    3. Does Rauner figure that he needs a “win” of some sort and/or decide that he doesn’t want to head into an election cycle without a budget or a single accomplishment.

    Other things that could change the current path?

  16. - 47th Ward - Tuesday, Mar 28, 17 @ 3:23 pm:


    To use the Governor’s analogy, the fight over the Grand Bargain feels something like Gallipoli. Maybe Verdun if it lasts much longer. A war of horrible, needless attrition.

  17. - (un)Happy - Tuesday, Mar 28, 17 @ 3:23 pm:

    At least BVR is bein’ honest and not stringin’ ‘em along…oh wait.

  18. - JoanP - Tuesday, Mar 28, 17 @ 3:24 pm:


    Look out!

  19. - Baloneymous - Tuesday, Mar 28, 17 @ 3:32 pm:

    That grand bargain has as much a chance as Morrie’s wig not fallin off when choked by Jimmy.

  20. - The Real Just Me - Tuesday, Mar 28, 17 @ 3:48 pm:

    Outlook bad. As the Governor said earlier today, the Grand Bargain is just duct tape. The Governor knows that he cannot have put the State through almost 3 years of torture to get the incrementalism of the Grand Bargain. The Governor needs something much Grander to warrant the misery he has caused.

  21. - Biscuit Head - Tuesday, Mar 28, 17 @ 3:49 pm:

    Sounds like the SW Illinois Delegation completely wasted a day in Springfield.
    Hope lunch was good.
    Enjoy the drive back.

  22. - Joe Bidenopolous - Tuesday, Mar 28, 17 @ 3:56 pm:

    “On life support” feels like a generous description. I feel like they’ve taken the patient off the machines but it hasn’t expired just yet.

  23. - tobias846 - Tuesday, Mar 28, 17 @ 4:08 pm:

    What disturbs me about all of the “Grand Bargain is dead” talk coming out of Springfield is the shrugging, whaddaya-gonna-do tone. The vast collateral damage to the state is almost never mentioned. It’s as if they’re talking about a TV show getting canceled, or a sports team’s losing season.

  24. - Last Bull Moose - Tuesday, Mar 28, 17 @ 4:14 pm:

    The use of military language like “trench warfare” speaks to the Governor’s mindset. He is not negotiating with fellow citizens. He is at war with an enemy.

    The only hope for the state is a revolt among the Senate Republicans. I don’t see that as likely.

    The Grand Bargain is dependent upon Senate Republicans moving against Rauner. I wish they would, but do not expect them to do so.

  25. - wordslinger - Tuesday, Mar 28, 17 @ 4:16 pm:

    The guy who runs the GOP caucuses and has the veto pen thinks he’s winning trench warfare and is running self-serving, dishonest image spots.

    Given that, I’d say the outlook is more of the same.

  26. - Juvenal - Tuesday, Mar 28, 17 @ 4:24 pm:


    An upcoming episode of The Walking Dead is entitled “The Grand Bargain.”

    I am sure Vandermyde’s Facebook takedown will be legend.

  27. - Cubs in '16 - Tuesday, Mar 28, 17 @ 4:24 pm:

    ===The Governor needs something much Grander to warrant the misery he has caused.===

    Not sure what that would be. Certainly isn’t the Turnaround Agenda. The Governor’s own ROI numbers demonstrated the entire agenda wouldn’t begin to warrant the misery he’s caused.

  28. - Gooner - Tuesday, Mar 28, 17 @ 4:31 pm:

    The odds of a grand bargain are similar to where we were on conceal carry a few years ago — nothing was possible until a court issued a ruling scaring the heck out of one side.

    The Governor, House and Senate will not do something on their own. Cullerton may be the only one with both the desire and the political power to push his side. Senate Republicans may want a a deal but are terrified of the Gov. who does not want a deal. I have no idea where the Speaker really stands and don’t really care where House Republicans stand.

    They all need fear of a court decision to make it happen and unfortunately, I don’t see any basis for a suit that will force anybody’s hand.

    I just don’t see any resolution until Rauner leaves office. If somehow he wins another term, that would be four additional years of no deal. He will see it as a mandate to stay the course.

  29. - Markus - Tuesday, Mar 28, 17 @ 4:38 pm:

    Unless the courts stop employee paychecks or rule entering into contracts without appropriations is illegal, nothing on a full budget until after the 2018 elections when a new governor and hopefully a new speaker are elected. Adding K-12 to the hostage list with the 2018 campaign underway is now off the table.

  30. - Responsa - Tuesday, Mar 28, 17 @ 4:58 pm:

    ==I don’t see anythin changing until after the election.==

    That’s what people said in 2014 as I recall. Aand? I predict the exact same change/non-outcome after 2018. The citizens of IL are being hosed by both party’s unwillingness to govern.

  31. - peon - Tuesday, Mar 28, 17 @ 5:12 pm:

    Outlook - blather, stopgap, repeat. New governor in 2019.

  32. - RNUG - Tuesday, Mar 28, 17 @ 5:16 pm:

    == Other things that could change the current path? ==

    A major disaster with lethal results that can be directly laid on the Governor’s doorstep.

  33. - RNUG - Tuesday, Mar 28, 17 @ 5:18 pm:

    == rule entering into contracts without appropriations is illegal ==

    That is probably more likely than peace in our times …

  34. - Lucky Pierre - Tuesday, Mar 28, 17 @ 5:29 pm:

    Democrats- compromise unlikely

    Rauner- Challenging

    cue Democrats outrage for Rauner being unreasonable

  35. - tobias846 - Tuesday, Mar 28, 17 @ 5:34 pm:

    ==A major disaster with lethal results that can be directly laid on the Governor’s doorstep.==

    I’ve had exactly the same thoughts. If there are deaths directly attributable to the impasse—and I think it’s inevitable that there will be—Rauner won’t be able to blame Madigan or wave it off with talk of reforms (although he’ll certainly try).

  36. - wordslinger - Tuesday, Mar 28, 17 @ 5:35 pm:

    LP, Rauner’s actions in sabotaging any movement in the Senate toward a deal, including threatening to primary GOP senators according to the troncs, speak much louder than his words and the ones he programs for you.

  37. - Huh? - Tuesday, Mar 28, 17 @ 6:17 pm:

    The National Weather Service has issued a severe tornado warning for the State of Illinois. A slow moving tornado with winds in excess of 200 miles per hour is moving towards the State and is expected to hit in the very near future. The tornado is accompanied by severe thunderstorms with rainfall in excess of 12 inches per hour and golf ball to plum size hail. Damage and flooding will be wide spread and severe. Loss of life is expected. The NWS urges residents of low lying areas near streams and rivers to evacuate immediately to higher ground. Residents must take evacuate immediately to secure storm shelters.

    Residents are urged to be prepared to fend for themselves for the duration of the storm aftermath. Residents should not expect to receive any help from their local government, police, fire, or any social service agency for the foreseeable future.

  38. - Yeah - Tuesday, Mar 28, 17 @ 6:25 pm:

    Budget no. But the forecast for the state issuing billions in tax free municipal bonds is certain in the near to medium term. The cash burn has got to be close to operating solvency failure. Or in Rauner case insolvence success.

  39. - blue dog dem - Tuesday, Mar 28, 17 @ 6:27 pm:

    Huh. You have me scared. Let’s raise income tax levels to 7% and pull PTEL for local property taxes. While we are at it, let’s boost sales tax another couple %. Now I will be able to sleep at night.

  40. - PublicServant - Tuesday, Mar 28, 17 @ 6:38 pm:

    Tonight dark, continued dark until morning, where there will be scattered light.

  41. - Anonymous - Tuesday, Mar 28, 17 @ 6:43 pm:

    Wallflowers. Either wear a tie right or dont, but you look like you just came out of a bar at 3:00 am.

  42. - Anonymous - Tuesday, Mar 28, 17 @ 8:33 pm:

    So the Speaker would approve the Grand Bargain Wordslinger and not wring any more concessions?

    You make quite an assumption the Grand Bargain had the votes to pass. Pensions did not remember?

    That was before the deal blew up. Senator Radogno said they were still negotiating

  43. - Oswego Willy - Tuesday, Mar 28, 17 @ 8:38 pm:

    ===So the Speaker would approve the Grand Bargain Wordslinger and not wring any more concessions===

    One chamber at a time.

    Passing it thru the Senate puts tremendous pressure on Speaker Madigan. If you think Madigan deserves the blame and the pressure, the best way to get that squarely on Madigan is to… pass it thru the Senate.

  44. - Lucky Pierre - Tuesday, Mar 28, 17 @ 8:40 pm:

    Just like the Senate passing a budget put tremendous pressure on Speaker Madigan to do nothing until Senator Cullerton proposed a stop gap.

  45. - Oswego Willy - Tuesday, Mar 28, 17 @ 8:44 pm:

    ===Just like the Senate passing a budget put tremendous pressure on Speaker Madigan to do nothing until Senator Cullerton proposed a stop gap===

    No, the discussion is squarely on the Grand Compromise. Rauner decided to undercut Leader Radogno. You know this because daily you have to be “reminded” what is actually going on. Leader Radogno herself made clear that Rauner doesn’t speak for the Senate Caucus, even as Rauner continues to undercut Leader Radogno and the Grand Bargain.

    This is real. Your comments refuse to see truth(?)

  46. - Lucky Pierre - Tuesday, Mar 28, 17 @ 8:50 pm:

    The Governor, Leader Radogno and Leader Durkin all said in the past few days they want a deal.

    Leading Democrats including Senator Harmon, Senator Biss and Tim Mapes all said no budget is possible.

    Yet you guys only blame the Governor

  47. - Oswego Willy - Tuesday, Mar 28, 17 @ 8:54 pm:

    ===The Governor, Leader Radogno and Leader Durkin all said in the past few days they want a deal===

    Words… Actions…

    Rauner’s own actions make clear, no deal.

    ===Leading Democrats including Senator Harmon, Senator Biss and Tim Mapes all said no budget is possible===

    When a governor undercuts the last deal, purposely against his own senate leader. What would make any senator comfortable with a governor ruining workable agreements. You wouldn’t be comfortable.

    ===Yet you guys only blame the Governor===

    Again, Rauner undercut Leader Radogno, and only Rauner. Who else undercut Leader Radogno, she seems to think it’s only the Governor. Do I believe you or Leader Radogno?

  48. - Lucky Pierre - Tuesday, Mar 28, 17 @ 9:27 pm:

    Yes I believe she wants a deal. This is the first we have heard from the Speaker’s spokesman who says no deal possible 1/2 way through a the session.

    Why we have a Speaker who doesn’t speak is a mystery to me

  49. - RNUG - Tuesday, Mar 28, 17 @ 11:48 pm:

    == The Governor, Leader Radogno and Leader Durkin all said in the past few days they want a deal. ==

    Actions speak louder than words. Based on past actions, Cullerton and Radogno I believe.

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