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Lip service

Thursday, Jul 6, 2017 - Posted by Rich Miller

* Nice rhetoric…

Keep in mind as we move forward that Facebook allows users to automatically block profanity and specific words in comments.

* Earlier today, I posted this from the group’s Facebook page

* A few examples from comments on that post, with expletives edited by me

Jarrod Dowell: I think we’re beyond respect now. Look at the complete lack of respect these piece of sh*t scum bags have while claiming to “serve” the citizens. F*ck them! Maybe it’s time to water the tree of liberty.

Paul Sr Cappetta Eat sh*t Madigan!

Eric Quesada: I have a lot of respect for this page but I think it’s being on threats, these f*ckers are steeling tha people’s money, I think it’s time to go to war and get rid of them, just my opinion

Hallene Brooks: Respect is earned as it is given, these scumsucking Springfield parasites do not deserve one iota of respect, for what?? For spewing lies in order to get elected over & over again, to continue to blatantly extort the actual WORKING citizens of this sorry-*ss state?? Screw them & the golden taxpayer-funded horse they rode in on, they have no respect for their citizens, they get none, they’d prbly try to tax us for that too, thieving b*stards…..

Tim Mangia: Respect???
Since when has Madigan and his crones respected anybody but themselves!!! F*ck Madigan!!! He deserves to be b*tch slapped!!! This is exactly why our good Trump was elected! The hardworking middle class is sick and tired of getting spit on and kicked in the gut, (metaphorically speaking!), while the lower class gets more money every month and a sh*t ton of tax credits, and food stamps while driving around in cadillac escalades that have rims that cost more than my whole d*mn car!!! F*ck Madigan and any politician that votes to undo Rauner’s veto!!! It’s f*cking time the middle class gets what we have earned!!!

Reese Hartman: *sshats temp. Raised it before. What happened to all that money?? Madigan is a piece of sh*t that needs to go! GONE! f*cking clowns are completely ruining this state if they haven’t done so already

Carmine Coglianese: See thats the thing we don’t respect crooks and cronyism. A good old Lynch mob used to clear this sort of thing up QUICK! To H*LL with the Madigan’s, to h*ll with corruption, special interests and lobbyists. Here’s to term limits and running the scum out of office!

Teresa Hutchens Jimenez is a lying cow, Chad Hayes is a coward and Madigan is a money mongering *sshat. He has been the author of the downfall of a once great state. He is concerned with nothing but his lucrative pension while the taxpayers he is supposed to help and protect are dying without their medical care and starving. I squarely out the blame on those who re-elected the murderer.

Christopher O’Connor: so are pitch forks and torches respectful? I think it is about time for a lynch mob in springfield.

Tom Sye: Hey you f*cking lawmakers do you mother f*cking jobs you worthless pieces of sh*t. You all should be put to death for f*ck the Illinois citizens over! We citizens should be able to have you in a locked room with each of you *ssholes. That would be justice. You should pay back Illinois with those fat pensions you will be steeling from us.! You talk about respect you pr*cks you earn it oh boy you have not. So take this the wrong way when I tell you to go f*ck yourselves

Chuck Clifton: Why should we give a sh*t about them they don’t give a sh*t about us receiving threats well yeah I guess so me personally I hope he has a heart attack and dies

Paul Hart: You mean I shouldn’t say madigan go f*ck yourself. Is eat sh*t and die ok?

Dave Langenhorst: How about rope and tree for Madigan!!

And, remember, these were under a post supposedly designed to encourage civility.


  1. - Slippin' Jimmy - Thursday, Jul 6, 17 @ 11:11 am:

    Adjective/adverb challenged/limited?

  2. - Oswego Willy - Thursday, Jul 6, 17 @ 11:12 am:

    If IPI won’t, themselves, police the page they allow for comments, how do I take IPI seriously that they want better discourse?

    It’s rhetorical.

  3. - Highland Il - Thursday, Jul 6, 17 @ 11:12 am:

    These comments are much different then a local Bank VP here posted on facebook recently. Take a deep breath folks.

  4. - George - Thursday, Jul 6, 17 @ 11:12 am:

    Maybe the IPI can pass out some more Madigan t-shirts, but this time put some of these comments on the back. It would really promote their brand.

  5. - Just Me - Thursday, Jul 6, 17 @ 11:13 am:

    When the President of the United States says it is okay to beat up your political enemies and their supporters, this is bound to happen.

  6. - weary - Thursday, Jul 6, 17 @ 11:14 am:

    What was the point of posting these examples?

  7. - Ducky LaMoore - Thursday, Jul 6, 17 @ 11:15 am:

    I just can’t understand why more decent, family-oriented and thoughtful people don’t want to be legislators. /s

  8. - Anon - Thursday, Jul 6, 17 @ 11:15 am:

    ===I think it is about time for a lynch mob in springfield.===

    They are perhaps unaware of the history of lynch mobs in Springfield.

  9. - Oswego Willy - Thursday, Jul 6, 17 @ 11:16 am:

    You can be a rabid partisan page and go “next level” and allow “next level” comments to be seen…

    You can be a thoughtful partisan page allowing the strength of the arguments be the reason(s) you stand by your arguments and positions.

    You can’t be both.

  10. - ipiLie - Thursday, Jul 6, 17 @ 11:16 am:

    All that dark money to IPI to gin up the blind trolls has worked. IPI- represententing billionares and hatemongers since 2002.

  11. - Ducky LaMoore - Thursday, Jul 6, 17 @ 11:16 am:

    ===What was the point of posting these examples?===

    I would try to explain for Rich. But if the question needs to be asked, I doubt you will understand the explanation.

  12. - 360 Degree TurnAround - Thursday, Jul 6, 17 @ 11:16 am:

    Maybe the Governor could respond to some of those comments and threats to legislators. I do applaud the IPI for, I guess showing some decorum. The Governor should come out against these threats against members of his party.

  13. - Come on man! - Thursday, Jul 6, 17 @ 11:16 am:

    A silver lining- clearly our schools are effectively teaching proper syntax and grammar. /s

  14. - Camolotay - Thursday, Jul 6, 17 @ 11:16 am:

    Christofer “John and Robert Kennedy” Kennedy has the answers folks. Ask not what your state can do for you. Ask what you can do for your state.

  15. - Willie Hears Ya, Willie Don't Care - Thursday, Jul 6, 17 @ 11:18 am:

    Making threats that can be screen capped under your real name…sounds like a brilliant bunch.

  16. - Anonymous - Thursday, Jul 6, 17 @ 11:20 am:

    Just so everyone remembers, the last act of actual political violence by a person from Illinois was perpetrated by a Bernie Sanders Democrat.

  17. - Badisometry - Thursday, Jul 6, 17 @ 11:20 am:

    == What was the point of posting these examples? ==

    The IPI could and should have deleted them. They put out a call for ‘civility’, but they clearly didn’t mean it.

  18. - sensen - Thursday, Jul 6, 17 @ 11:23 am:

    Stagnation of the past 30 years (especially the past 10 years) is causing people to say, and sometimes do, these things. Sad, but true.

  19. - JohnnyPyleDriver - Thursday, Jul 6, 17 @ 11:23 am:

    The problem seems to be that many outlets wouldn’t exist, or wouldn’t have influence if they didn’t have a foaming at the mouth base. The rhetoric is a required element. If all I read was IPI, I’d probably think Madigan was the devil incarnate and the sole source of every problem in Illinois too. And obviously IPI needs that level of hostility to do what they do. Propaganda works, which is why it’s been done for so long

  20. - Pot calling kettle - Thursday, Jul 6, 17 @ 11:24 am:

    It’s one thing to post such material anonymously. These folks find it completely acceptable to attach their names and links to all kinds of information about themselves. That they feel this is perfectly acceptable makes this all the more disturbing.

    Commenters making threats of physical violence should probably be visited by the ISP.

  21. - FormerParatrooper - Thursday, Jul 6, 17 @ 11:24 am:

    I am so proud that after millions of years of evolution, the development of language and writing, and the technological advances that allow us to communicate over vast distances and we have arrived at the day when people can post such stupid thoughts, act uncivilized and make threats over a very small tax rate. Here is too the advances of the next million years of evolution…..

  22. - Ducky LaMoore - Thursday, Jul 6, 17 @ 11:25 am:

    ===Just so everyone remembers, the last act of actual political violence by a person from Illinois was perpetrated by a Bernie Sanders Democrat.===

    Once again, if you think that violence is okay depending on who commits it or who receives it, you are part of the problem.

  23. - weary - Thursday, Jul 6, 17 @ 11:25 am:

    == But if the question needs to be asked, I doubt you will understand the explanation.==

    You’re right. I wouldn’t understand the explanation, because in my opinion there was no good reason to repost stuff like that on a website that is supposedly above that. Very inflammatory if you ask me.

  24. - Norseman - Thursday, Jul 6, 17 @ 11:26 am:

    The extremely frustrating thing is that social media and propagation of partisan pseudo-media is feeding this hatred.

  25. - BigDoggie - Thursday, Jul 6, 17 @ 11:26 am:

    Just Me - give me a break. Are you shooting for irony here, when it was shown that any violence on the actual campaign trail was perpetrated by Robert Creamer and his hooligans? You know, the husband of Jan Schakowsky?? When he paid people to cause violence at Trump rallies? Certainly you’ve read about this.

  26. - Montrose - Thursday, Jul 6, 17 @ 11:27 am:

    IPI is fear-based. That is their strategy. Stoke fear. Fear of government. Fear of “tax eaters.” They use this fear to try to keep politicians in line.

    Those comments above? Those are the desired result of years of stoking fear.

    This isn’t a “how were we to know people would act like this?” It is “Our organizing strategy is going according to the plan.”

  27. - Taxpayer - Thursday, Jul 6, 17 @ 11:27 am:

    This is so far from what is most important today. The state is about to be downgraded to junk and a $5 billion tax hike could go into law in a few hours. People cursing at each other on social media hardly seems critical.

  28. - wordslinger - Thursday, Jul 6, 17 @ 11:27 am:

    If IPI doesn’t condone threats of violence, why do they maintain a forum for them?

    Actions vs. words.

  29. - Flip357 - Thursday, Jul 6, 17 @ 11:28 am:

    And hence why I stopped using Facebook. Networks like this provide a level of anonymity and unaccountability that some users abuse. Seeing those comments in a form of impersonal published media provides some form of endorsement for that language and rhetoric (however flawed it may be) which signals to others that this kind of abuse is not only okay, but encouraged.

    It’s bad apples, the reason we don’t want them in the bushel is because they cause rot in the rest of the bushel.

  30. - Pot calling kettle - Thursday, Jul 6, 17 @ 11:29 am:

    ==Just so everyone remembers, the last act of actual political violence by a person from Illinois was perpetrated by a Bernie Sanders Democrat.==

    When politicians of any stripe allow violent rhetoric to go unchallenged or, worse yet, encourage it, there is no way to know who will end up acting out that rhetoric. Since no one would accuse Sanders of fomenting this type of behavior, this seems to be a pretty good example of backlash. That’s one of many reasons why it needs to be condemned, not encouraged.

  31. - 47th Ward - Thursday, Jul 6, 17 @ 11:29 am:

    When you stir the pot for decades, simmering the class and racial resentments that serve political purposes, this is a predictable result. And while we will see a lot of fair-minded folks say that both the Left and the Right are guilty of using loaded language to gin up the emotions of their supporters, and I agree that both side do this, one side has made it a central tenet of its political organizing.

    Black Lives Matter, Occupy Wall Street and other groups on the left have endorsed, either tacitly or explicitly, violent language. It is wrong when they do it, and it’s wrong when others on the left do it or are silent when it happens.

    But c’mon, it’s not even close. How many talk radio stars became famous for using the most vitriolic language to build and hold an audience? Limbaugh, Beck, Hannity, Savage, Ben Shapiro, Dennis Miller, and on and on and on.

    The left has who? Bill Maher?

    The point is, there is a huge audience for right wing talk radio that is spoon fed a daily dose of victim-hood. It’s a way to keep poor whites from uniting with poor black and brown people with whom they share most economic interests. And make no mistake, it is part of a concerted, long term political strategy to exploit racial divisions. Because if all poor folks voted their economic interests, the GOP would cease to exist.

    And when that rhetoric comes home to roost, immediate calls are made for both sides to tone down the violent imagery. As if. Yes, both sides do it, but one side has perfected the Pavlovian reflex among its supporters so much so that comparisons aren’t fair. The right wing does this professionally, systematically, with a purpose and with follow-up and coordination. The history of talk radio for the past thirty years is a case study in right wing resentment and victim-hood politics. And they’ve made a lot of money doing it.

    The left has NPR. Lol.

  32. - Matt Miller - Thursday, Jul 6, 17 @ 11:30 am:

    Apparently none of you commenters here have ever spent any time on an Indivisible page or some like minded page. This isn’t a left/right thing. This is a human thing. Everyone has resorted to rhetorical violent language.

  33. - Grandson of Man - Thursday, Jul 6, 17 @ 11:31 am:

    “Making threats that can be screen capped under your real name…sounds like a brilliant bunch.”

    Exactly. It’s stupid to use a real name and make comments like that, assuming some of these people are not trolls with fake identities. Those comments could get them fired from their jobs, depending on the employer. Some employers may not want those images for their companies.

  34. - Honeybear - Thursday, Jul 6, 17 @ 11:31 am:

    As reigning monarch of hyperbole and empassioned rhetoric,

    I can tell you that it is possible to be ardent without threatening.

    That being said IPI doesn’t have the good moderating of Rich Miller to control my “intemperate” moments.

  35. - Anon - Thursday, Jul 6, 17 @ 11:32 am:

    Real comments from the heart of real people

  36. - Montrose - Thursday, Jul 6, 17 @ 11:33 am:

    Weary - Sometimes you have to see the ugly to believe it is real. Rich did what he needed to do to demonstrate IPI’s fake call for civility was just that - fake.

  37. - 360 Degree TurnAround - Thursday, Jul 6, 17 @ 11:34 am:

    Matt Miller, what is the vast majority of political violence that you speak of? There was the softball shooting which everyone thought was horrific. What else?

  38. - Anonymous - Thursday, Jul 6, 17 @ 11:36 am:

    The re-post was perfect for the purpose of showing the IPI for what it does best - agitate, which often leads to hateful rhetoric, which too often theses days leads to actual violence. The cynical disclaimer had to have the authors chuckling - ‘this should get us off the hook”….Rich isn’t giving them hell, he’s just showing what they spew, and they think that’s hell.

  39. - Three-Finger Brown - Thursday, Jul 6, 17 @ 11:37 am:

    Anonymous @ 11:20: “Just so everyone remembers…”

    Kind of irrelevant. Unless you’re saying that he was egged on by The Atlantic or something.

  40. - Norseman - Thursday, Jul 6, 17 @ 11:37 am:

    Just reading the comments for this post we see a major reason things are so bad. People are more focused on defending their own “tribe” than in addressing the unacceptable behavior. Your side is more guilty of engaging in vitriol than mine.

    We must get to the stage where we recognize that unacceptable behavior is prevalent among all sides. It’s important to join together and say no more.

  41. - George - Thursday, Jul 6, 17 @ 11:38 am:

    ==Just so everyone remembers, the last act of actual political violence by a person from Illinois was perpetrated by a Bernie Sanders Democrat.==

    Enough with this pox on both houses line of argument. It was wrong when Bernie’s started shooting. It’s wrong with the IPI’s comments are talking about lynching. It’s all wrong.

    The point of this post isn’t “Republicans are bad.” The point is that in this particular point in time, the IPI is fanning flames of violence and is only giving lip service to calming passions. For that, at this time, they deserve to be criticized. When a democratic or left wing group does this next, everyone should call them out for it too. But because someone else did something bad doesn’t mean this isn’t bad.

  42. - Demoralized - Thursday, Jul 6, 17 @ 11:39 am:

    ==How can you explain the vast majority of political violence is coming from the left today==

    Just. Stop. You’re fanning the flames. Hatred knows no political boundaries. This hyper-partisan nonsense has to stop.

  43. - Montrose - Thursday, Jul 6, 17 @ 11:40 am:

    What George said x1000.

  44. - 47th Ward - Thursday, Jul 6, 17 @ 11:40 am:

    ===the vast majority of political violence is coming from the left today===

    You heard that on talk radio, didn’t you? Jk.

    Do you have any evidence to document that assertion? Do we know there has been an uptick in violence?

  45. - pete - Thursday, Jul 6, 17 @ 11:42 am:

    you think the way Rich is denying my post he worked for CNN I don’t know maybe that is his goal. but news is a two way street you have the truth and then there is what you only want printed

  46. - So tired of political hacks - Thursday, Jul 6, 17 @ 11:42 am:

    =George =


  47. - Mouthy - Thursday, Jul 6, 17 @ 11:43 am:

    The IPI wants angry people. It’s as simple as that.

  48. - Streator Curmudgeon - Thursday, Jul 6, 17 @ 11:44 am:

    Two things stand out here.

    First, people are legitimately frustrated at the actions of elected officials who got us into this mess. I, personally, didn’t cook any books in Springfield or mismanage pension funds. I did, however, re-elect some incumbents who helped cause this fiasco.

    Second, civility and good manners are hard to find on the Internet, Cap Fax being an exception. The country is spiraling out of control, and it’s not going to get better.

  49. - short memory - Thursday, Jul 6, 17 @ 11:45 am:

    I don’t remember this kind of anger when the 5% tax was passed? There was anger, yes, but I don’t recall the “string ‘em up” vitriol. I am trying to figure out what has changed since then?

  50. - Anonymous - Thursday, Jul 6, 17 @ 11:45 am:

    All that over 1.2¢ per taxable dollar…The growl is much worse than the bite.

  51. - Demoralized - Thursday, Jul 6, 17 @ 11:47 am:

    Umm, Pete. First of all stop being a child. Second of all, no idea what you mean with your comment about having the “truth.” This is about the mean and nasty nature of political dialogue these days.

  52. - illini97 - Thursday, Jul 6, 17 @ 11:47 am:

    I’m with George.

  53. - Montrose - Thursday, Jul 6, 17 @ 11:49 am:

    =I don’t remember this kind of anger when the 5% tax was passed? There was anger, yes, but I don’t recall the “string ‘em up” vitriol. I am trying to figure out what has changed since then?=

    One reason is that neither IPI nor Rauner were players back then.

  54. - Skeptic - Thursday, Jul 6, 17 @ 11:54 am:

    A public Thank You to Rich for keeping the lid on this place.

  55. - northsider (the original) - Thursday, Jul 6, 17 @ 11:54 am:

    I used to think that people who spewed hate and violence from behind their keyboards were harmless fools. Sticks and stones & all that. And easily ignored if you avoided certain sites.

    Recently I’ve changed my mind. The guy driving up from Carolina to DC to shoot up the pizza place really scared me. It was a preposterous rumor that the guy fervently believed because he ‘read it on the internet’ and so damn many people were retweeting and commenting on it. The fable had reached critical mass on social media.

    The lies, the violent rhetoric and the guns have created a bad, bad nexus where the crazies are stimulated by people who know better but either don’t understand or don’t care that their rhetoric has evil consequences.

  56. - Actual Red - Thursday, Jul 6, 17 @ 11:55 am:

    Matt Miller–
    There is undoubtedly violence from the left, but its ludicrous to say its anything close to a majority. The killings in Portland and New York by white supremacists, for example, come to mind, as does the rampant violence by “Alt-Right” and NeoNazi groups any time they make an appearance. Right wing terror in the US has a long history, from the KKK to Oklahoma city, and it hasn’t gone away.

    Most terror attacks in the US are carried out by non-Muslim right wingers. Even neglecting Islamic terror, which is arguably a different form of right wing ideology, right wing violence positively dwarfs violence from the left.

  57. - Matt Miller - Thursday, Jul 6, 17 @ 11:59 am:

    To all of you seemingly concerned at my assertion that political violence is on the rise from the left, check out Portland or California. Check out what Antifa is up to. Check out what Black Lives Matter has been up to. I’m not just speaking about someone shooting at Republicans. I’m talking about groups that have organized violent riots or “gatherings.” These groups are associated with the left.

  58. - 47th Ward - Thursday, Jul 6, 17 @ 12:03 pm:

    Matt, please. The plural of anecdote is not data. Provide some independent analysis, if you can, then we can discuss.

    Otherwise, to quote the Dude, well that’s just your opinion, man.

  59. - Lake Wolf - Thursday, Jul 6, 17 @ 12:05 pm:

    Profanity is always the crutch of a man (or woman) with a limited vocabulary, little will power and low intelligence.

    Particularly when you can hide behind social media

  60. - Someone you should know - Thursday, Jul 6, 17 @ 12:06 pm:

    Antifa, what a hilarious buzzword, and to think former State Reps were complaining of “Victimization”


  61. - ChitownOpine - Thursday, Jul 6, 17 @ 12:07 pm:

    ==All that over 1.2¢ per taxable dollar…The growl is much worse than the bite.==

    In reality, yes, 1.2 cents more per dollar. To some, it might be the difference between eating ramen noodles and not. But it’s not like when you go to do you taxes it completely vanishes. You won’t get all that 1.2 cents per dollar back, but you will get some of it back. For every $10k you make, it amounts to $120 more in taxes a year. $10 less a month on your paycheck. The 32% the tax mongers tout makes it sound like they’re taking 32% more from you if you *don’t* just do the simple math. Just more How to Lie with Statistics Boogyman smoke and mirrors. I hope they someday revert it back to 3.75% for all of our sake.

  62. - Rich Miller - Thursday, Jul 6, 17 @ 12:08 pm:

    I’ve been busy with other stuff and just checked in to this post to see how it was going. Get back on topic, people. Banishments will follow. This is a blog about Illinois politics and government. Keep it to that or leave.

  63. - Wensicia - Thursday, Jul 6, 17 @ 12:08 pm:

    “we don’t condone hate or threats”

    Um, yes, you do.

  64. - Ed Higher - Thursday, Jul 6, 17 @ 12:12 pm:

    Wow. Looks like BR’s “gentle folksyness” earned him a pass from these people, at least according to IPI.

  65. - Amalia - Thursday, Jul 6, 17 @ 12:19 pm:

    I’m happy that I’m still shocked by such postings. And, no, they are not exclusively on one side of the political equation. But it appears that there are many many more on one side. A side where people use racist imagery often. and a side with a president who posts a violent video against the media. it’s all very scary, any such violent commentary. call it all out. Thanks for doing that Rich.

  66. - Anon221 - Thursday, Jul 6, 17 @ 12:44 pm:

    Rauner, as leader of the Illinois GOP, should be appalled at this level of incivility. At the very least he could Tweet or FB a message condoning what is going on on IPI’s website with these vitriolic comments. If he stays silent, that in itself just seems to reinforce the Saputo’s comment from 2015. This is not “listening to the people”. These are threats, and should be condoned and treated as such. The sidelines are no place for the Executive of Illinois to be right now, no matter how mad he may be at the moment.

  67. - @MisterJayEm - Thursday, Jul 6, 17 @ 12:59 pm:

    in my opinion there was no good reason to repost stuff like that on a website that is supposedly above that. Very inflammatory if you ask me.

    This is very much like when a fat man gets peeved at his scale.

    – MrJM

  68. - Dublin - Thursday, Jul 6, 17 @ 1:19 pm:

    These IPI tweets are beyond childish. They represent their base very well.

  69. - cc - Thursday, Jul 6, 17 @ 1:21 pm:

    I am an “independent” person and purposely used lower case in spelling independent. I do not identify myself with an “Independent organization”. I know what I believe and I know which officials with whom I agree or disagree. I vote for a person and that person who votes most closely to my ideals. My most problematic issue is having to declare a party affiliation in order to vote in a primary election and I think there are many others that feel much the same way. I believe, but have no proof, that more “independant” folk out there than those that identify with one “Political Party”.

  70. - Quizzical - Thursday, Jul 6, 17 @ 1:25 pm:

    Ironically, these vitriol bombs show how we got to this fiscal mess in the first place. When choosing between biting the bullet to raise taxes to pay for the cost of government or kicking the can down the road, politicians with imperfect constitutions chose to avoid the flood of anger and kicked the can. I pray that no one chooses to act out their violent fantasies. I would also ask that everybody who says that this tax raise isn’t necessary, including the governor, specify what real expenses they would cut to avoid the hike.

  71. - Generic Drone - Thursday, Jul 6, 17 @ 1:32 pm:

    Great time to run for office or become a state employee/ teacher. Anyone wanna sign up?

  72. - ArchPundit - Thursday, Jul 6, 17 @ 1:34 pm:

    ===This is very much like when a fat man gets peeved at his scale.

    Hey, that thing is out to get me.

  73. - 37B - Thursday, Jul 6, 17 @ 1:39 pm:

    “We don’t condone hate or threats. [We merely provide the forum.]”

    There. Fixed it.

  74. - Stormsw7706 - Thursday, Jul 6, 17 @ 1:42 pm:

    I’ve got a lot of respect for those legislators, particularly the Republicans, who had the courage to vote their conscience and not their party. Especially when they knew this rhetoric was coming. Kudos to you folks

  75. - G'Kar - Thursday, Jul 6, 17 @ 2:17 pm:

    I don’t know. I was going to quote Galatians, but I think this quote from Hosea should be looked at by IPI: “You have plowed wickedness, you have reaped injustice, You have eaten the fruit of lies. Because you have trusted in your way, in your numerous warriors,therefore the tumult of war shall arise among your people, and all your fortresses shall be destroyed”

  76. - A guy - Thursday, Jul 6, 17 @ 2:33 pm:

    They’ve breeded dogs. Attack dogs. Not trained properly, or by sheer animal instinct, they are now not in control of the animals they’ve nurtured. That’s a dangerous thing.

  77. - Huh? - Thursday, Jul 6, 17 @ 2:34 pm:

    The comments posted on the LIP website are the kind that should result in a visit from the State Police.

  78. - Macombian - Thursday, Jul 6, 17 @ 2:51 pm:

    cc: Don’t kid yourself. There’s no such thing as voting for the person. Legislators organize with other like-minded people to get things done. Still other like-minded individuals fund orgs. that lobby these like-minded people and attempt to get more like-minded people elected. You can claim to be independent if you like, but please don’t presume that your ‘independent’ vote is treated as such. Whenever you ‘vote the person’ you are voting for a vast network of entanglements (for either side). That’s why party matters. Join one and make a difference. Good luck. h

  79. - Albany Park Patriot - Thursday, Jul 6, 17 @ 2:55 pm:

    Everything should be in quotation marks with the “Illinois” “Policy” “Institute.” While technically true they are in Illinois, they don’t have Illinois’ interest at heart. They are not a real policy shop-they are Rauner’s henchmen. And they are not really an “Institute,” but more a “Fireplace in Which to Burn Rauner’s Money.” That they don’t see the consequences in their language is utterly laughable. These hacks know how the game is played.

  80. - Danaidh - Thursday, Jul 6, 17 @ 3:30 pm:

    With all due respect, the sentiments expressed on the IPI page are much closer to my own than those expressed on this page.

  81. - Oswego Willy - Thursday, Jul 6, 17 @ 3:31 pm:

    ===With all due respect, the sentiments expressed on the IPI page are much closer to my own than those expressed on this page.===

    Does that include the accompanying comments?

  82. - Papa2008 - Thursday, Jul 6, 17 @ 5:14 pm:

    Watch the first 10 minutes of the movie Idiocracy. That explains this type of behavior pretty well.

  83. - Stevebl - Thursday, Jul 6, 17 @ 5:37 pm:

    IPI need to have a mechanism so that unacceptable confrontational threatening comments are not published. And IPI needs to state emphatically that such is the case. And when one does appear it should be stricken.

  84. - sal-says - Thursday, Jul 13, 17 @ 4:34 am:

    – Mouthy - The IPI wants angry people. It’s as simple as that. ==

    Well, they got Raunner.

  85. - sal-says - Thursday, Jul 13, 17 @ 4:45 am:

    – G’Kar - I don’t know. I was going to quote Galatians, but I think this quote from Hosea should be looked at by IPI: ==

    Might be an idea for Raunner to read the quote, as well as ipi.

  86. - Veil of Ignorance - Thursday, Jul 13, 17 @ 5:34 pm:

    Wow, that’s some disturbing stuff…and such bad spelling and grammar too. Sad.

  87. - Tran Westall - Wednesday, Jul 26, 17 @ 1:30 pm:

    Nunca Tinha Observado esta forma de pensar Amei analise o meu blog

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