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Gun bill roundup: Is Gov. Rauner in another trick bag?

Thursday, Mar 1, 2018

* Let’s go back to Speaker Madigan’s gun bills press release. He included a list of what passed and I then added the bill status as of about 10 o’clock this morning…

* House Bill 1465, which raises the minimum age to purchase an assault rifle from 18 to 21. [Passed the House 64-51 and is in the Senate]

* House Bill 1467, which bans the sale of bump stocks and other modifications like those used by the Las Vegas shooter to turn an arsenal of semi-automatic rifles into fully automatic machine guns. [Passed the House 83-31 and is in the Senate]

* House Bill 1468, which requires a 72-hour “cooling off” period on all assault rifle sales. [Passed the House 79-37 and is in the Senate]

* Senate Bill 1657 [Passed the House 64-52 and goes to the governor] and House Bill 1273 [House concurs 64-51-3 and goes to the governor], which ensure gun shops will comply with these and other state and federal laws by creating a gun dealer licensing system. These bills will hold gun dealers to the same standard as many other licensed professions including car dealerships, real estate agencies, and even beauty salons, to ensure gun shops meet basic levels of security and training.

* On to some of the coverage. Tribune

Facing pressure to tighten gun laws after a Florida high school shooting and the slaying of a Chicago police officer, Illinois House lawmakers led by Democrats on Wednesday voted to create new rules for gun shops, ban the sale of “bump stocks” and restrict purchases of assault weapons.

The votes at the Capitol came as hundreds of gun control advocates including Cardinal Blase Cupich and Chicago police Superintendent Eddie Johnson called for action, while opponents argued that Democrats in control of the legislature were exploiting tragedy to score political points in an election year.

Even so, some Republican lawmakers broke with most of their party, particularly suburban lawmakers who said the changes represented a reasonable response to violence.

Republican Gov. Bruce Rauner largely has avoided weighing in on specific gun proposals, saying it’s a matter for the federal government. He may have to soon, though, now that the House voted Wednesday to put on his desk a bill that would require gun retailers to get state licenses. Once the legislation arrives in Rauner’s office, he will have 60 days to act. That means he will not have to make a decision until after the March 20 primary election in which he faces Rep. Jeanne Ives of Wheaton, who voted against the bill.

* Wednesday Journal

The proposed law requires background checks for gun dealers and their employees; allows the Illinois Department of Financial and Professional Regulation to inspect businesses that sell firearms; and requires gun dealers to undergo training on conducting background checks, identifying straw purchasers, and properly storing firearms to prevent theft. […]

Harmon said he has received no indication from Gov. Bruce Rauner on whether he will sign the bill if approved by state lawmakers.

“I think the governor would be foolish to not embrace this bill, but he has a habit of surprising me,” Harmon said. “There have been no commitments, but there have been no threats to veto either.”

* Sun-Times

The day began with a plea to lawmakers from the influential leader of Chicago’s Catholic Archdiocese to pass “sensible” gun control measures in the name of “murdered children” in Parkland, Florida, and Newtown, Connecticut.

As the day wore on, Cardinal Blase Cupich’s call was echoed in emotional pleas from gun control advocates, many who have lost family members to violence, at rallies outside the Capitol.

And it ended with controversial legislation being sent to Gov. Bruce Rauner’s desk that would require gun dealers to be licensed by the state, and not just the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco & Firearms. […]

The House, however, is still working to gain support on other measures, including one named after Chicago Police Cmdr. Paul Bauer, who was shot and killed while responding to an armed robbery in the James R. Thompson Center in the Loop earlier this month. The bill would ban the sale of body armor and high-capacity gun magazines to anyone other than police officers, licensed security guards and members of the armed forces. Shomari Legghette, charged with the murder, was allegedly wearing body armor and using a gun with an extra-capacity magazine when he is accused of shooting Bauer. Legghette also is a four-time felon.

* Related…

* Cardinal Cupich calls on lawmakers to act to combat gun violence

* Collection of gun control bills passes out of Illinois House

* Illinois gun control legislation is moving forward. See how your representatives voted

* Illinois House OKs assault-weapon age-limit, bump-stock ban

* Chicago sees drop in gun violence in February

- Posted by Rich Miller        

69 Comments
  1. - ItsMillerTime - Thursday, Mar 1, 18 @ 10:40 am:

    Looks it’s time for the Gov to lie to the Cardinal again.


  2. - Oswego Willy - Thursday, Mar 1, 18 @ 10:41 am:

    Yep. The trick bag.

    Rauner could easily turn on 2A downstaters, like pro-life voters and sign logical gun control legislation that will be taken as an affront to 2A rights, and Rauner turning his back on 2A loyalists to the GOP.

    Rauner could use his signature, like with HB40, to turn his back on the zealot GOP 2A voters and use their anger to try to garner more suburban voters and younger voters too.

    According to that silly little book I got, Diana Rauner will make that final call for Bruce.


  3. - Arsenal - Thursday, Mar 1, 18 @ 10:49 am:

    My understanding of the timing is that Rauner does not have to decide on this until after the primary- but if he signs on after that, he could give conservatives a hell of a case of buyer’s remorse, and maybe even invite McCann to pull the trigger on his kamikaze mission.

    A veto would seem like poison in the suburbs…right now. In two months, maybe the gun control crowd is no longer so energized, though.


  4. - Louis G. Atsaves - Thursday, Mar 1, 18 @ 10:54 am:

    What gun retail outlet did Legghette purchase his weapon? What retail outlet did Legghette purchase his body armor? He pumped multiple shots into Commander Baur while both were in a staircase outside of a building (State of Illinois) clearly marked “Gun Free Zone” and across the street from Chicago City Hall/Cook County Building clearly marked “Gun Free Zone” and across from the Richard Daley Courthouse clearly marked “Gun Free” Zone.

    I am in favor of finally digging in and coming up with real solutions to end slaughters of children in schools, individuals in public buildings and concerts, and other areas of public assembly. The “feel good” measures trouble me, like “gun free zones” which in my mind are invitations for slaughters, and I am also troubled by allowing guns into concerts, bars, schools and public buildings.

    I generally support these proposed bills in Springfield although the 18 to 21 age bump solves little in my mind. But would they have prevented multiple violent felon Legghette from arming and armoring himself? Not in my mind. So what is being solved by rushing these bills through?

    They will look nice on campaign flyers. None of them make me feel any safer.


  5. - logic not emotion - Thursday, Mar 1, 18 @ 11:08 am:

    Feel good, do bad legislation. Sad and disgraceful.

    One would like to think that our legislators would seek and sponsor real solutions to violence instead.


  6. - Demoralized - Thursday, Mar 1, 18 @ 11:10 am:

    Bump stocks should have never been legal in the first place. There is no legitimate need for those.


  7. - walker - Thursday, Mar 1, 18 @ 11:30 am:

    Yes. If he signs any of these bills and he sets his HB40-driven “betrayal of conservatives” narrative in concrete. No amount of dogs and gun photos will suffice.

    But Republican moderates in the suburbs mostly think these are good bills.


  8. - RNUG - Thursday, Mar 1, 18 @ 11:35 am:

    The bills passed so far don’t do a lot of harm but they don’t do a lot of good either. Now you’ll just have to wait as long to buy an AR-15 as you do a pistol. Banning bump stocks most people can support.

    The bill with the biggest negative effect is the State licensing of gun shops. I see it as just duplicative cost and paperwork since they ate already Federally licensed. Will just drive up costs and run the really small hobbyist dealers out of business.

    What they didn’t pass was a bill to compel enforcement of the existing laws by state and local authorities … something that might actually make a difference.


  9. - Blue dog dem - Thursday, Mar 1, 18 @ 11:35 am:

    Dem. Agreed. As well as magazines over 10 rounds.


  10. - Honeybear - Thursday, Mar 1, 18 @ 11:37 am:

    I’m thinking the Millennial staffers at Ounce have parents on “all the best nonprofit boards”. Those folks are more important to Diana. I haven’t seen her care one ounce about downstate. Plus I imagine that Diana has had quite enough of this stuff. Her work is done on the mansion and she’s probably looking to her next venture.
    I use as supportive evidence the fact that non-profits all over the state didn’t say a peep as whole swaths of the social safety net were destroyed. Wholesale destruction. How? Bruce locked up the media into integrated fashion. Diana locked up nonprofits in the same way. Nonprofits are run by boards folks. Boards filled with wealthy, privileged, and elite (don’t want to forget the academic elite and Unitarians). People just like the Rauners.
    I truly believe that had those board members started harumphing after year one about the damage, we wouldn’t have made it to year two without a budget. But Diana, I believe had them locked up tight. You know “business decisions”.


  11. - Anonymous - Thursday, Mar 1, 18 @ 11:42 am:

    “The bill would ban the sale of body armor and high-capacity gun magazines to anyone other than police officers, licensed security guards and members of the armed forces.”

    It never fails to amaze me how police unions want to make certain items illegal, except for themselves. If body armor and extended magazines are “bad” then why not ban them for police as well? How about removing decommissioned military equipment from police agencies, like the Army Humvee owned by the Whiteside County Sheriff’s office? Militarization of police in America is the greatest threat to the rule of law we face.

    The other thing that never fails to amaze me is the stupidity of NRA & ISRA members. They were so grateful to get any sort of concealed carry bill in 2013 that they let NRA lobbyist Todd Vandermyde stuff Rep. Brandon Phelps crummy carry bill with everything the police unions wanted that could get armed citizens killed: criminal penalties for every violation and Duty to Inform, because gun owners are “the good guys” and “on the same side” as the police. Please.

    NRA & ISRA would go out of business tomorrow if they weren’t stuffed full of suckers and rubes at the carny show who can’t figure out that police unions are not their friends.


  12. - Anonymous - Thursday, Mar 1, 18 @ 11:46 am:

    Some of these bills were rushed through, and are in need of amendment. The Democrats didn’t want to wait, and just wanted to pass “something”. That’s a problem. A veto message noting such problems is a middle route


  13. - Last Bull Moose - Thursday, Mar 1, 18 @ 11:46 am:

    I guess I would be considered a socially liberal Republican. The gun control legislation that has passed seems ok, though I have not read them in detail.
    Don’t like the body armor ban. Bullet proof/resistant clothing is currently about $500 million per year in sales. I expect it to get cheaper and more popular. Wearers are likely to be executives and couriers. Are we going to check people at O’Hare? I think not.


  14. - Anonymous - Thursday, Mar 1, 18 @ 11:50 am:

    ==Bump stocks should have never been legal in the first place.==

    The devil is in the details of these bills. Saying you’re banning bump sticks sounds ok to most people (including the NRA). But when you rush bills and end up defining “bump stocks” to potentially including “devices” like belts, without thoroughly vetting that question, that’s an issue.


  15. - wordslinger - Thursday, Mar 1, 18 @ 12:03 pm:

    At least these proposals respect due process of law, unlike the government gun-grabber idea proposed yesterday by the nation’s senior GOP officeholder.


  16. - Anonymous - Thursday, Mar 1, 18 @ 12:05 pm:

    ==What they didn’t pass was a bill to compel enforcement==

    Some of those issues have been filed, some have been sitting waiting for a chance to be called. But they’re effective but not flashy, vs these bills that are flashy but flawed and not effective. Of course they would choose to pursue that latter route. It’s election season, after all


  17. - NobodysAccountable - Thursday, Mar 1, 18 @ 12:08 pm:

    Not one of the bills proposed would have prevented the shooting in Florida. But thats not the agenda of the Democrats. If they ate going to propose not allowing a person to buy an AR15 until they are 21 maybe those same individuals shouldn’t be allowed to shoot one in the military until they are 21. Think that through for a moment.

    Chicago has the most stringent gun laws on the books now. How do those stricter laws correlate with gun crime activity.

    The most disturbing aspect of these knee jerk reactions is the multiple failures by the FBI, local police/SRO, faculty among others now facilitates the government to erode individual freedoms. What incentive does the government have to address the real issues if it can create an environment where it gains more control over it’s citizenry.


  18. - Oswego Willy - Thursday, Mar 1, 18 @ 12:14 pm:

    Oh boy…

    === If they ate going to propose not allowing a person to buy an AR15 until they are 21 maybe those same individuals shouldn’t be allowed to shoot one in the military until they are 21.===

    It’s a military grade weapon, used by the military, used in war. Soldiers, Sailers, Airmen, Marines are armed with these weapons in the charge of their oath, and in the defense of America.

    ===Think that through for a moment.===

    I think I just did.

    The age of 21 for non-military ownership is not unlike a drinking age or tobacco purchase.


  19. - Anonymous - Thursday, Mar 1, 18 @ 12:18 pm:

    ==It’s a military grade weapon, used by the military, used in war.==

    No, it’s not. It’s a relatively low caliber rifle with minimal recoil, that “looks” like an automatic. It’s not. Good grief.


  20. - justpeachy - Thursday, Mar 1, 18 @ 12:20 pm:

    Honeybear @11:37…you must not have been listening very closely as I heard many NFPs screaming and yelling to no avail…some even as they were forced to go out of business. Many are still not sure if they will recover from that debacle. So Diane may control some NFP but certainly not the ones that lost funding.


  21. - Rich Miller - Thursday, Mar 1, 18 @ 12:24 pm:

    ===It’s a relatively low caliber rifle with minimal recoil===

    And is deadly as heck.


  22. - Oswego Willy - Thursday, Mar 1, 18 @ 12:29 pm:

    ===No, it’s not.===

    The United States military doesn’t use AR-15s?

    If they don’t…


  23. - Henry Francis - Thursday, Mar 1, 18 @ 12:30 pm:

    Honeybear - following up just peachy, many of the NFP’s filed a lawsuit against the Guv. One of the 64 plaintiffs was Ounce.

    https://tinyurl.com/ybr6uedz


  24. - Last Bull Moose - Thursday, Mar 1, 18 @ 12:36 pm:

    OW. I think the military version can go full automatic. Only to be used if being overrun as it will burn out the barrel. Been a long time since I fired an M-16.


  25. - Anonymous - Thursday, Mar 1, 18 @ 12:40 pm:

    Saying an AR 15 is the same military weapon as an M16/M4 is like saying the Toyota down at the dealership is he same car they us in NASCAR


  26. - Oswego Willy - Thursday, Mar 1, 18 @ 12:41 pm:

    ===…I think the military version can go full automatic.===

    *Enter Bump Stocks*

    My delving into this, (usually I’m not a prolific 2A commenter, much more of a reader of these posts), is the age restriction element of making a purchase at 18, and moving that age to 21, isn’t thwarted by the “in the military” argument.


  27. - wordslinger - Thursday, Mar 1, 18 @ 12:43 pm:

    ===It’s a relatively low caliber rifle with minimal recoil===

    Sure does the trick for all your mass murder needs.


  28. - Mason bornh - Thursday, Mar 1, 18 @ 12:57 pm:

    Rich,

    The .223/5.56 typically standard in an AR isn’t particularly powerful for a centerfire rifle. It’s about as low as it will go. Pretty much any centerfire rifle will do as much if not more damage. Luckily rifles are very rarely used in crimes. (Before someone screams i’m comparing the 252 or so homicides with rifles to the 9616 total in 2015)

    For a numbers comparison;
    a .223 has 1282 ft-lbs of force
    A .308 has 2648 ft-lbs
    .30-06 has 2913 ft-lbs
    A 30-30 has 1799 ft-lbs
    .45 acp has about 412 ft-lbs
    .357 (smallest deer legal) has 768 ft-lbs

    The damage that rifles do is massive just as a function of their physics, luckil.y they’re rarely used for crimes outside of these horrible occurances.


  29. - Mason born - Thursday, Mar 1, 18 @ 1:00 pm:

    Willy

    The AR-15 isn’t used by the military the M16/M4 are. A rough comparison would be a Mustang w a V6 to one with a V8 they look almost identical but perform differently.


  30. - Northsider (the original) - Thursday, Mar 1, 18 @ 1:10 pm:

    The Governor needs to sign these bills as soon as they hit his desk.


  31. - Rural Stuff - Thursday, Mar 1, 18 @ 1:11 pm:

    Is there not some hypocrisy in the age limit provisions? We don’t feel you are emotionally or physically mature enough to have access to alcohol or a semiautomatic weapon prior to 21, but we do think you you are old enough to make the decision to enlist where you might get access to such things.


  32. - wordslinger - Thursday, Mar 1, 18 @ 1:17 pm:

    –Is there not some hypocrisy in the age limit provisions? –

    Not hypocrisy so much as inconsistency. That’s been around on the age of adulthood question long before this proposal came up this week.


  33. - Former Hillrod - Thursday, Mar 1, 18 @ 1:23 pm:

    == sure does the trick for all your mass murder needs==

    So do semi-automatic handguns.

    See Cho, Seung-Hui


  34. - wordslinger - Thursday, Mar 1, 18 @ 1:28 pm:

    == sure does the trick for all your mass murder needs==

    So do semi-automatic handguns.–

    Yes.


  35. - Former Hillrod - Thursday, Mar 1, 18 @ 1:32 pm:

    Bump stocks do not turn semi-auto rifles into machine guns. Bump stocks do help the shooter pull the trigger really,really fast. That being said, I’m really surprised the ATF allowed them in the first place.


  36. - Blue dog dem - Thursday, Mar 1, 18 @ 1:38 pm:

    I failed at my google attempt to find when bump stucks were legalized. Can someone help old blue out?


  37. - Former Hillrod - Thursday, Mar 1, 18 @ 1:42 pm:

    2010 I believe.


  38. - Blue dog dem - Thursday, Mar 1, 18 @ 1:43 pm:

    Hillrod. Thanks……wait a minute….Trump wasnt.president then. Are you sure?


  39. - Former Hillrod - Thursday, Mar 1, 18 @ 1:45 pm:

    I don’t believe bump stocks were ever illegal. If I remember correctly they were reviewed by the feds in 2010 and not deemed against the law because they don’t modify the gun.


  40. - Former Hillrod - Thursday, Mar 1, 18 @ 1:47 pm:

    Welp, I guess not everything is the fault of DJT. :)


  41. - wordslinger - Thursday, Mar 1, 18 @ 1:58 pm:

    –I failed at my google attempt to find when bump stucks were legalized. –

    If you had actually gone on the google, you would have discovered in 20 seconds that bump stocks have never been regulated. Millions of hits with that information.


  42. - Mason born - Thursday, Mar 1, 18 @ 1:59 pm:

    BDD

    Bump stocks haven’t been banned mainly because of the letter of the law. The lae calls out things that let the gun fore automatically i.e. hold the trigger down it keeps firing. Bump stocks don’t actually make it “automatic” in that thd triggef is pulled every time. I think it has to be a legislative fix, & i’m fine w that as long as it’s narowly focused.


  43. - A Jack - Thursday, Mar 1, 18 @ 2:02 pm:

    The M16 uses the same round as an AR15 as does a mini 14 by Ruger. The M16 can shoot single rounds or a three round bursts. It hasn’t been full automatic since the Vietnam era.

    Rarely do soldiers use the three round burst since that wastes ammo.

    Eighteen year old soldiers can shoot automatic weapons, which I don’t think anyone is advocating for the general public. So the age argument is not valid between soldiers and civilians. They can also set explosives, drive tanks and a whole host of other things the public can’t do.


  44. - Oswego Willy - Thursday, Mar 1, 18 @ 2:06 pm:

    - Mason born -

    Thanks, appreciate it.

    - Last Bull Moose -

    Thank you too.

    What drug me in this was this thought that military service by an 18 year old, and the purchasing of an AR-15 by an 18 year old should be considered a “same” thing.

    Considering an age raising or not due to military service age when alcohol, and in some cases tobacco, has a different age of purchase is a discussion I wouldn’t mind exploring.


  45. - Blue dog dem - Thursday, Mar 1, 18 @ 2:07 pm:

    Thanks Mason and Hillrod. Ya’ll are helpful and kind. Some people that post are just mean spirited.


  46. - Mason born - Thursday, Mar 1, 18 @ 2:11 pm:

    Willy & BDD

    My pleasure.


  47. - Mike Cirrincione - Thursday, Mar 1, 18 @ 2:12 pm:

    I support the entire 2nd Amendment, even the part about “A Well Regulated Militia”. It’s in the Constitution. The one our Lawmakers SWORE an oath to uphold.


  48. - anon2 - Thursday, Mar 1, 18 @ 2:19 pm:

    Rauner’s got to be asking himself this question Would a veto of the gun bills help or hurt me in the general?


  49. - A Jack - Thursday, Mar 1, 18 @ 3:01 pm:

    One other consideration is that 18 year old soldiers are trained to use those weapons safely and are given psychological tests during their initial physical. The public has neither of those requirements.


  50. - Anonymous - Thursday, Mar 1, 18 @ 3:18 pm:

    - Blue dog dem - Thursday, Mar 1, 18 @ 11:35 am:
    Dem. Agreed. As well as magazines over 10 rounds.
    ————————————-
    The Florida shooter Cruz did all of his carnage with 10 round magazines. The average age of the perp in last 150 mass shootings is ~33. Feel good legislation. Feeling groovy.


  51. - Anonymous - Thursday, Mar 1, 18 @ 3:19 pm:

    Forgot the link…
    http://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/community/broward/article202486304.html


  52. - Blue dog dem - Thursday, Mar 1, 18 @ 3:23 pm:

    Anony. I know. But I still dont believe in.bump stocks and large mags. Speaking of useless legislation. How about the effectiveness of the FOID card(or lack therein)?


  53. - Anonymous - Thursday, Mar 1, 18 @ 3:34 pm:

    ===I support the entire 2nd Amendment, even the part about “A Well Regulated Militia”. It’s in the Constitution. ===

    Nobody wants to take your militia away from you.


  54. - Anonymous - Thursday, Mar 1, 18 @ 3:43 pm:

    Bump stocks are a novelty that almost nobody will miss. I wouldn’t miss the FOID card if it went away. One thing the FOID card does do is identify the owner as being a felony free, background checked, non-domestic abuser.

    Then there’s everyone else. I couldn’t say that with any certainty about people who won’t or can’t get a FOID card of their own. In only costs $10 to find out which category one fits into.


  55. - RNUG - Thursday, Mar 1, 18 @ 3:54 pm:

    == . I wouldn’t miss the FOID card if it went away. ==

    Back when it was created, the FOID was the compromise alternative to having to register every single gun with the State. Given that choice, I’ll live with the FOID. It isn’t too much hassle; just used mine today.


  56. - RNUG - Thursday, Mar 1, 18 @ 4:03 pm:

    Talked with a gun shop owning friend today. He’s a little riled up that the bills are mostly feel good stuff that won’t make much difference.

    And even the State licensing won’t really bother him; already has all the requirements in place. The only real issues were (a) the vagueness of the fee language that it could change and (b) exempting big box stores from training their employees as required by the smaller shops.


  57. - Blue dog dem - Thursday, Mar 1, 18 @ 4:16 pm:

    RNUG. Current laws have a 24 or 72 hr waiting period. An FBI background check and 10 year documentation of gun purchase. Foid Cards good for ten years, so information collected at time of issuance is outdated and superseded the next day.


  58. - Anonymous - Thursday, Mar 1, 18 @ 4:37 pm:

    =Rauner’s got to be asking himself this question Would a veto of the gun bills help or hurt me in the general?=

    I think Rauner asks himself these kinds of questions a lot. And then he decides not to provide any answer. Except of course for “Madigan” that response works every time.


  59. - RNUG - Thursday, Mar 1, 18 @ 4:51 pm:

    == Foid Cards good for ten years, so information collected at time of issuance is outdated and superseded the next day. ==

    Some of us follow the law and update when we move.


  60. - RNUG - Thursday, Mar 1, 18 @ 5:38 pm:

    -blue dog-

    I’ve had background checks ran on me ever since I was 18. I think they know more than they want to about me. I know they’ve talked to various friends ranging from motorcycle gang members to a former IL Supreme Court Justice.


  61. - Blue dog dem - Thursday, Mar 1, 18 @ 8:07 pm:

    RNUG. The old widget factory reqd me to visit military installations throughout the world. Had top secret sevurity creds for nearly 15 years

    My only point. The FOIS CARD is outdated. It is a waste of state money. The fiscal conservative that I try to be tells me to save a million here or there.


  62. - wordslinger - Thursday, Mar 1, 18 @ 8:24 pm:

    –RNUG. The old widget factory reqd me to visit military installations throughout the world. Had top secret sevurity creds for nearly 15 years

    My only point. The FOIS CARD is outdated. It is a waste of state money. The fiscal conservative that I try to be tells me to save a million here or there. –

    Take a nap, secret agent man.


  63. - Blue dog dem - Thursday, Mar 1, 18 @ 8:33 pm:

    Aka . Napoleon solo.


  64. - Blue dog dem - Thursday, Mar 1, 18 @ 8:41 pm:

    Anybody rember man from uncle?


  65. - RNUG - Thursday, Mar 1, 18 @ 9:29 pm:

    SPECTRE … and to mix shows, CHAOS


  66. - RNUG - Thursday, Mar 1, 18 @ 9:37 pm:

    Couldn’t resist the wrong answers … there were a bunch of that genre back in the day.


  67. - Roger - Thursday, Mar 1, 18 @ 9:49 pm:

    Veto and make the Dems override. This is a Rahm deal never let a crisis go to waste. We continually punish the honest person but never the criminal who don’t care how many laws you write. Sort of like the opioid crisis, ban them and we can get the poor people who are hooked help. Really, what about people who have honest medical problems that get helped by the drugs, chronic pain, cancer and other serious illness, never mind them go after the source to cure the few.


  68. - wordslinger - Thursday, Mar 1, 18 @ 11:35 pm:

    –Some people that post are just mean spirited.–

    And some are just little boo-boos who think their sad s-kicker act is a government program they’re entitled to get them through their empty days.

    Try the google, Grandpa Jones. Ain’t hard.


  69. - Blue dog dem - Friday, Mar 2, 18 @ 6:27 am:

    Love is in the air….
    Good morning to all the friendly folks that hang out on the CapFax. And also to those not so friendly.


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