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*** UPDATED x2 *** Breen makes budget demands on abortion funding

Tuesday, May 29, 2018

* Some background is here. From Illinois Review

The Illinois General Assembly is once again focused on putting together a state budget - one that should be considered before the end of May. If voted on after the last hour of May 2018, the vote requirements will change for passage. For the first time, Illinois will consider whether the state’s taxpayers should be forced to fund abortions for girls and women on Medicaid or on the state’s payroll.

State Rep. Peter Breen (R-Lombard) appealed to his House colleagues Tuesday morning to “take off the table” the taxpayer funding of abortion by eliminating the line item from consideration with the rest of the state’s budget.

Um, no. Medicaid and state employee group health insurance aren’t appropriated like that. No disrespect intended because I’m just using this example for illustrative purposes, but you won’t find a line item for costs due to treating broken bones, either. There are some specific Medicaid approps for grants, but this wouldn’t fall under that topic.

I suppose you could insert a line and give it a $0 value, but state law now requires abortions to be funded, so, if we learned anything during the impasse, we know the judiciary will undoubtedly step in and force the state to follow the law it just passed. The law says fund abortions for Medicaid recipients and state employees, so the state has no choice but to fund them unless and until that statute is repealed.

* From Rep. Breen’s comments

If there is a majority of members who wish to fund these abortions, then go ahead and take a vote on it.

We who are pro-life are not going to be complicit in your plan to terminate 30,000 innocent little lives next year. You go to the people of this state, and you explain how you raised taxes, to make sure there was money to pay for your 30,000 elective abortions every year. But, if there is no such majority here for taxpayer funded abortion, then let’s get the abortion funding off the table and out of the budget right now.

The General Assembly did take a vote on this topic last year when it passed HB40, which mandated this funding. So, a majority already exists. And it’s now the law of the land. Like it or hate it, the state has to fund it.

* Unless they separate those two approps out of the main budget bill and put them on a stand-alone bill, the only option Rep. Breen really has is to vote against the budget and all budgets moving forward unless something happens to HB40. He could also work to gin up opposition to the budget, but he’s a member of House GOP leadership - and the last floor leader who worked hard against Leader Durkin on a budget is retiring in January.

And, by the way, there’s sharp disagreement over HB40’s actual cost. It’s been on the books since January 1st, so I suppose we could probably get an estimate soon.

*** UPDATE 1 *** Media advisory…

Bipartisan Lawmakers to Voice Objections to State Funding of Elective Abortions in the FY 2019 Budget

Springfield, IL – On Tuesday, May 29 at 2:30 PM, a bipartisan coalition of House members will formally voice their objections to any FY 2019 budget that includes state funding of elective abortions. The media is invited and encouraged to attend.

*** UPDATE 2 *** Text from Rep. Breen…

Hey Rich, respectfully contend that we can split out parts of Medicaid in an appropriations bill. The practice of combining many billions into one large line item allocated generally for a wide variety of services under the Public Aid Act, CHIP Act, Covering All Kids, etc., is certainly not required by our state constitution. Instead, there is broad authority to fund or not fund programs, within appropriations bills. (e.g., Wirtz v. Quinn & Warrior v. Thompson). If anything, it would make more sense to split out programs like elective abortions, which are entirely unreimbursed by the federal government, instead of combining them with core reimbursable services. As for the courts, there’s no constitutional or statutory basis for a court to require us to fund elective abortions—especially when federal statute bars that funding.

Finally, even if there’s no appetite for a separate vote on an elective abortion appropriation (which tells you something about the level of support for such funding in the GA), then why not allow a separate vote on the Medicaid approp? In FY 2015, there were something like 20 appropriations bills, so splitting out appropriations is certainly well within recent precedent. Best regards, Peter

The idea of splitting out the approp into a stand-alone looks like where this demand is heading.

- Posted by Rich Miller        

62 Comments
  1. - wordslinger - Tuesday, May 29, 18 @ 12:33 pm:

    Gee, why doesn’t Breen ask Rauner use his veto powers and “line-item” the fictional Medicaid abortion line in the budget.

    What’s that line-item at right now, Rep. Breen, in the discussion among lawmakers?

    So is Breen ignorant or dishonest in this matter? Which would he prefer?


  2. - Oswego Willy - Tuesday, May 29, 18 @ 12:38 pm:

    ===The General Assembly did take a vote on this topic last year when it passed HB40, which mandated this funding. So, a majority already exists. And it’s now the law of the land. Like it or hate it, the state has to fund it.===

    LOL, exactly.

    Mr. Breen is an utter phony.

    Mr. Breen supports Bruce Rauner who signed HB40.

    If you are fooled by Mr. Breen here that he thinks any of this matters, understand… Mr. Breen supports Bruce Rauner, the man who signed, arguably, the most liberal state abortion bill in America.

    That’s who Mr. Breen is. Be fooled at your own accord.

    It’s just show business.


  3. - Annonin' - Tuesday, May 29, 18 @ 12:42 pm:

    Amazin’ Breen lets himself look so dumb AND remind the world GovJunk sold the right wingers down the rived with HB40. Couldn’t happen to 2 of IL’s biggest big brains.


  4. - Precinct Captain - Tuesday, May 29, 18 @ 12:45 pm:

    ==- wordslinger - Tuesday, May 29, 18 @ 12:33 pm:==

    He doesn’t have to be just one or the other


  5. - ste_with a v_en - Tuesday, May 29, 18 @ 12:52 pm:

    https://bit.ly/2sm7QZ6

    Fiscal Note (Dept. of Healthcare & Family Services)
    There would be zero cost to the Department of Healthcare and Family Services; Offset savings were overlooked in the first note filed.

    There you go Mr. Breen. Cost neutral.


  6. - Anonymous - Tuesday, May 29, 18 @ 12:52 pm:

    Those who disagree with Breen can’t come up with a single argument because what he said is true, so you attack him personally. Ad hominem attacks. This is a powerful speech that will resonate with the majority of Illinoisians.


  7. - The Dude Abides - Tuesday, May 29, 18 @ 12:52 pm:

    This is nothing more than election year grandstanding by Breen. He has to know that it’s not as simple as just cutting it from the budget. What a phony.


  8. - Oswego Willy - Tuesday, May 29, 18 @ 12:55 pm:

    If you’re Pro-Life…

    Peter Breen supports Bruce Rauner for governor, even after Rauner signed HB40… even after the “Manefesto”, Mr. Breen supports Bruce Rauner.

    It’s a head scratcher.

    Mr. Breen wants to fool you. It’s all show business.


  9. - Rich Miller - Tuesday, May 29, 18 @ 12:57 pm:

    ===can’t come up with a single argument===

    I came up with several. Try a reading comprehension course.


  10. - Gone Through This - Tuesday, May 29, 18 @ 1:01 pm:

    ====Like it or hate it, the state has to fund it.====
    I have to disagree with your blanket statement that because it says the state shall fund it that they have to pay. But I do agree the courts PROBABLY would force them to pay because of the subject matter. Not to compare the two issues but the law says that the state shall pay to the horse race tracks a certain amount each year called recapture. They paid it once about 15 years ago but never again. And many lawsuits later the state just ignores the law.


  11. - wordslinger - Tuesday, May 29, 18 @ 1:05 pm:

    –Those who disagree with Breen can’t come up with a single argument because what he said is true, so you attack him personally.–

    There’s nothing to “agree” with him about. What Breen said about the “line-item” in the budget for abortion was either ignorant or dishonest, since it does not exist.

    Either he doesn’t know that (ignorant) or he does and is just spinning (dishonest; perhaps you prefer lying).

    Nothing ad hominen about it.


  12. - Macbeth - Tuesday, May 29, 18 @ 1:11 pm:


    This is a powerful speech that will resonate with the majority of Illinoisians.

    I think you meant to say “only a scant minority” not “majority”.


  13. - Oswego Willy - Tuesday, May 29, 18 @ 1:14 pm:

    ===This is a powerful speech that will resonate with the majority of Illinoisians.===

    So Rauner signing HB40 went against what a majority of Illinoisans think or believe?

    I’m pretty sure Rauner thinks otherwise.


  14. - Amalia - Tuesday, May 29, 18 @ 1:18 pm:

    well, I guess you have to play each hand that is dealt to you. election politics, fighting against funding for something, whatever. it’s all either so offensive against or tentative in support when it comes to women’s reproductive rights. Could be worse. We could be Arkansas.


  15. - 47th Ward - Tuesday, May 29, 18 @ 1:19 pm:

    ===This is a powerful speech that will resonate with the majority of Illinoisians.===

    Relax Anonymous, it’s just show biz.


  16. - Demoralized - Tuesday, May 29, 18 @ 1:20 pm:

    ==This is a powerful speech that will resonate with the majority of Illinoisians.==

    Those voters will have to take it up with their individual legislators. We’ll see just how much it resonates at the ballot box.


  17. - 47th Ward - Tuesday, May 29, 18 @ 1:21 pm:

    ===Could be worse. We could be Arkansas.===

    It could be better. We could be Ireland.


  18. - For Life - Tuesday, May 29, 18 @ 1:22 pm:

    “I’ve noticed that everyone who is for abortion has already been born.”

    ― Ronald Reagan


  19. - DarkDante - Tuesday, May 29, 18 @ 1:22 pm:

    ==”The media is invited and encouraged to attend.”==

    In case we worried that this was just show biz.


  20. - wordslinger - Tuesday, May 29, 18 @ 1:24 pm:

    ===This is a powerful speech that will resonate with the majority of Illinoisians.===

    How about this one from Breen, for the guy who signed HB40?

    –The people have spoken. They gave Gov. Bruce Rauner the edge. Gov. Rauner stated in the media that he’s heard the message, and I believe he has. Gov. Rauner is our party’s nominee, and I support him 100%. –

    100% includes everything, right?


  21. - Dance Band on the Titanic - Tuesday, May 29, 18 @ 1:26 pm:

    ===This is a powerful speech that will resonate with the majority of Illinoisians.===
    The majority of Illinoisians don’t read Illinois Review. Nor do they agree with the opinions found on IR.


  22. - Oswego Willy - Tuesday, May 29, 18 @ 1:27 pm:

    ===Bipartisan Lawmakers to Voice Objections to State Funding of Elective Abortions in the FY 2019 Budget

    Springfield, IL – On Tuesday, May 29 at 2:30 PM, a bipartisan coalition of House members will formally voice their objections to any FY 2019 budget that includes state funding of elective abortions. The media is invited and encouraged to attend.===

    If a phony like Mr. Breen is there, and is still supporting Bruce Rauner who signed HB40, arguably the most liberal state abortion bill ever signed… then the show business will be embarrassing to the truths… of those supporting Bruce Rauner.


  23. - Oswego Willy - Tuesday, May 29, 18 @ 1:31 pm:

    Mr. Breen…

    ===Gov. Rauner is our party’s nominee, and I support him 100%===

    … also… Mr. Breen…

    ===In the face of overwhelming evidence of Rauner’s inability to competently administer the Illinois government, inability to stand up to Mike Madigan effectively, and inability to keep his word and his commitments, I can no longer support him.===

    LOL.

    Mr. Breen likes it both ways, he supports Bruce Rauner, but felt he couldn’t?

    If you’re fooled by Mr. Breen now… that’s on you.


  24. - Oswego Willy - Tuesday, May 29, 18 @ 1:34 pm:

    ===Finally, even if there’s no appetite for a separate vote on an elective abortion appropriation (which tells you something about the level of support for such funding in the GA)==

    Yeah… about that…

    HB40 passed. Both Chambers. Sent to Governor. Public Act.

    But, please, Mr. Breen, do another magic trick.


  25. - JS Mill - Tuesday, May 29, 18 @ 1:51 pm:

    =We who are pro-life are not going to be complicit in your plan to terminate 30,000 innocent little lives next year.=

    Breen’s speech was not powerful, it was dishonest. Especially the line that I copied above.

    Breen had no compunction about increasing the suffering of hundreds of thousands when he was complicit in a stalemate and supported cutting funding to social services, yet he acts as if he cares about 30,000 lives?

    Please, spare me you dishonesty fella. Breen is a liar and a fraud and he proved it with his speech and his actions.


  26. - Skeptic - Tuesday, May 29, 18 @ 1:55 pm:

    “100% includes everything, right?” Well, some people do manage to give it 110%.


  27. - Da Big Bad Wolf - Tuesday, May 29, 18 @ 2:03 pm:

    I got news for Mr. Breen. Those 30,000 innocent little lives are going to be terminated no matter what he does.


  28. - Anonymous - Tuesday, May 29, 18 @ 2:40 pm:

    Da Big Bad (nice name) - you don’t know that. More than half of women aborting say they felt coerced or pressured to do so. When it’s free, it’s easier to force it, than when the guy has to at least cough up the money.


  29. - JS Mill - Tuesday, May 29, 18 @ 2:43 pm:

    And you know..Breen, when he says something, it is a rock solid, take it to the bank, lead-pipe lock.

    He never walks anything back or changes his mind. /s


  30. - A guy - Tuesday, May 29, 18 @ 2:44 pm:

    ==I got news for Mr. Breen. Those 30,000 innocent little lives are going to be terminated no matter what he does.==

    What a remarkably thoughtful thing to say…


  31. - Fixer - Tuesday, May 29, 18 @ 2:47 pm:

    Anonymous @240, half of all made up statistics on the internet are fake.

    Breen is reaching to try to get back the Ives voters back into the federal led. Nothing more, nothing less.


  32. - A guy - Tuesday, May 29, 18 @ 2:52 pm:

    ==But, please, Mr. Breen, do another magic trick.==

    Gee Willy, it appears Mr. Breen provided Rich with a process that includes some precedent. So, I guess he’s not as ignorant or dishonest as your narrative requires.

    While you’ve been in Oswego doing whatever it is you do there; he’s been in Federal Courts all over the country defending life. Maybe you don’t agree? Your prerogative. I do agree and I absolutely don’t want to fund a procedure I find immoral. The Feds won’t take a share in this. Illinois is well beyond broke and can’t afford so many worthwhile things now; but this…this…gets pushed up the payment ladder?? It’s impractical on every level. This procedure is legal. The only real consequence at this point is that someone has to come up with the money. Is that too much to ask for this? Did we all participate in the process of being in this difficult situation?

    If you spent any time with Mr. Breen, I believe you’d learn in a hurry that Phony is the last thing he is.

    He’s stuck with a nominee the people chose. Get over it.


  33. - A guy - Tuesday, May 29, 18 @ 2:54 pm:

    ==Breen had no compunction about increasing the suffering…===

    Yep JS, and those Superindendents aren’t piling on now either, are they? Are they ready to get in line behind all those social service needs?

    I’ll require some proof.


  34. - Norseman - Tuesday, May 29, 18 @ 2:57 pm:

    Will the Minion leaders follow Breen and the other anti-abortion legislators down the primrose path by holding up a budget agreement that includes such funding?


  35. - Oswego Willy - Tuesday, May 29, 18 @ 2:58 pm:

    Oh - A Guy - LOL

    ===Gov. Rauner is our party’s nominee, and I support him 100%===

    … also… Mr. Breen…

    ===In the face of overwhelming evidence of Rauner’s inability to competently administer the Illinois government, inability to stand up to Mike Madigan effectively, and inability to keep his word and his commitments, I can no longer support him.===

    You…

    ===If you spent any time with Mr. Breen, I believe you’d learn in a hurry that Phony is the last thing he is.===

    LOL

    Mr. Breen is a complete phony.

    Just start there with his conflicting absolutes.

    Once I stop laughing at the mere thought Mr. Breen isn’t a phony, I’ll get to the rest of your ridiculousness.


  36. - Moira - Tuesday, May 29, 18 @ 3:01 pm:

    ==why not allow a separate vote on the Medicaid approp?==

    So Rep. Breen is willing to vote to cut off health care coverage to nearly half the kids in the state? That’s quite the “pro-life” commitment to children.

    http://www.chicagobusiness.com/article/20150303/BLOGS02/150309932/more-than-half-of-illinois-kids-get-medicaid-or-other-state-health-care


  37. - Amalia - Tuesday, May 29, 18 @ 3:06 pm:

    Ireland is abortion up to 12 weeks. that doesn’t sound as progressive as I would hope for. lots can go wrong past that point.


  38. - Oswego Willy - Tuesday, May 29, 18 @ 3:07 pm:

    ===he’s been in Federal Courts all over the country defending life.===

    Mr. Breen supports for governor, the person who signed, arguably, the most liberal state abortion bill in America.

    LOL

    Mr. Breen isn’t a phony to me. Mr. Breen is an absolute phony to himself.

    Because I mock and laugh at this… it’s on him.

    It’s who Mr. Breen is.

    But, you both go ahead and vote …and support Bruce Rauner…


  39. - A guy - Tuesday, May 29, 18 @ 3:15 pm:

    ==But, you both go ahead and vote …===

    I’ll take your plea under advisement. Because, you have it all figured out in that dome of yours. Not sure who you could vote for. We need to start the Willyite party. Bet you’d get 11-12 members.


  40. - Oswego Willy - Tuesday, May 29, 18 @ 3:15 pm:

    ===Mr. Breen provided Rich with a process that includes some precedent. So, I guess he’s not as ignorant or dishonest as your narrative requires.===

    I never claimed his ignorance was only towards process… I did nite, that his magic trick is ignoring that HB40 passed… and Mr. Breen’s candidate for governor that he supports 100%… signed it.

    But, let’s ignore that HB40… passed both houses, sent to governor, Public Act.

    lol


  41. - Oswego Willy - Tuesday, May 29, 18 @ 3:18 pm:

    ===We need to start the Willyite party. Bet you’d get 11-12 members.===

    Oh - A Guy -

    You stand for things until you don’t stand for things.

    The righteous indignation with Mr. Breen and then supporting Rauner is as phony as it gets.

    ===In the face of overwhelming evidence of Rauner’s inability to competently administer the Illinois government, inability to stand up to Mike Madigan effectively, and inability to keep his word and his commitments, I can no longer support him.===

    But, tell me about the hours spent in federal court, lol


  42. - Juvenal - Tuesday, May 29, 18 @ 3:26 pm:

    Let’s be clear about a few things here:

    1. Rep. Breen doesnt have a problem so much with abortions being funded, he just wants another roll call that says he is against it, and more importantly, he wants a clean roll call minus the Roe v Wade stuff that he can use to say that someone was solely for taxpayer funded abortions.

    2. The Catholic Church does not want the Medicaid bill vetoed, even with abortion funding in it, because Catholic hospitals are depending on Medicaid funding.

    3. Even if pro-life groups succeed in killing a Medicaid bill and employee group health insurance funding, those services will still be provided as required by law/court order. Not one less abortion will occur as a result.

    4. Ironically, all of Rep. Breen’s pontificating about abortions in Illinois is certain to mean folks outside of Illinois are likely to learn/believe that taxpayer-funded abortions are available to them in Illinois. He might actually be doing more to promote abortion right now than he realizes.

    For fun, lets put Medicaid and state employees health insurance in a bill with all of the social services funding that all of the Catholic Charities rely upon and then see what happens.


  43. - A guy - Tuesday, May 29, 18 @ 3:32 pm:

    ===In the face of overwhelming evidence of Rauner’s inability to competently administer the Illinois government, inability to stand up to Mike Madigan effectively, and inability to keep his word and his commitments, I can no longer support him.===

    In a primary. Where there was another choice.

    Now in a General, where the choices are quite different.

    == I did note, that his magic trick is ignoring that HB40 passed…===

    It’s fundamentally dishonest to state this. He hasn’t ignored that bill passed. No one has. On either side of the argument.


  44. - Oswego Willy - Tuesday, May 29, 18 @ 3:37 pm:

    ===In a primary. Where there was another choice.

    Now in a General, where the choices are quite different.===

    LOL… No.

    ===In the face of overwhelming evidence of Rauner’s inability to competently administer the Illinois government, inability to stand up to Mike Madigan effectively, and inability to keep his word and his commitments, I can no longer support him.===

    “In the face of overwhelming evidence of Rauner’s inability to competently administer the Illinois government”

    Rauner now can be a good Administratior? Yeah, go with that one.

    “…inability to stand up to Mike Madigan effectively”

    So that changed too? When?

    “…and inability to keep his word and his commitments”

    I missed that turning around, LOL

    “I can no longer support him.”

    Yet, after the righteous indignation… he does.

    Mr. Breen is a phony.


  45. - Demoralized - Tuesday, May 29, 18 @ 3:40 pm:

    == I do agree and I absolutely don’t want to fund a procedure I find immoral.==

    Then take it up with the General Assembly who passed it and the Governor who signed it. It’s the law now. I wasn’t aware we all had to agree with everything the state funded. That’s life. In your words, get over it.


  46. - A guy - Tuesday, May 29, 18 @ 3:41 pm:

    ==For fun, lets put Medicaid and state employees health insurance in a bill with all of the social services funding that all of the Catholic Charities rely upon and then see what happens.===

    Hey Juvy, for more fun, figure out that the state relies upon Catholic Charities to provide those services at a vastly reduced cost, not the other way around.

    As long as we’re having fun, you know.


  47. - Oswego Willy - Tuesday, May 29, 18 @ 3:53 pm:

    ===figure out that the state relies upon Catholic Charities to provide those services at a vastly reduced cost===

    Heck, Rauner didn’t even pay them for two whole budgets.., and you supported Rauner then too… as did Mr. Breen.

    Yep. It’s fun, righteous indignation.


  48. - Soccermom - Tuesday, May 29, 18 @ 3:58 pm:

    Hey, Breen.

    Let me tell you about my abortion.

    They didn’t call it that, because I was losing a baby that I had prayed for for YEARS. I was having a very slow, very sad miscarriage, with a fetus that had stopped developing after just a few weeks.

    So the doctor gave me a choice: Go home and let “nature take its course,” with the knowledge that there was an outside chance that I would start bleeding uncontrollably, or have the miscarriage “completed surgically.” I went with the “let’s get this over with” option.

    Here’s the good news, by the way: You’re actually more likely to get pregnant in the first few months after a d & c. I got pregnant again a few months later, and the resulting Ivy Leaguer (oh yeah, I’m proud) just got on a flight back to New York.

    So what, exactly, did I do wrong? Any why, exactly, should I not have been covered by my State health plan if this sad little interlude had happened while I was working for the State?

    And why didn’t I see your name on the coalition list when we were fighting for a state
    budget that would fund social services and save lives?

    Or is that you don’t really care about the complexities of reproductive health, and you don’t give a damn about people in need who live in our state?


  49. - Monique7 - Tuesday, May 29, 18 @ 4:31 pm:

    Soccermom, that’s actually not an abortion. I’m sorry for your loss - I’ve had two miscarriages and the sorrow is always there. I had to have a D&E after the second miscarriage but again, the child had already passed. What we’re talking about is taxpayer funds paying to terminate the lives of unborn kids who are healthy and still alive.


  50. - Oswego Willy - Tuesday, May 29, 18 @ 4:38 pm:

    ===What we’re talking about is taxpayer funds paying to terminate the lives of unborn kids who are healthy and still alive.===

    Really?

    Is that what the statute says… “taxpayer funds paying to terminate the lives of unborn kids who are healthy and still alive”?


  51. - Oswego Willy - Tuesday, May 29, 18 @ 4:41 pm:

    - Monique7 -

    With sincere respect.

    ===What we’re talking about is taxpayer funds paying to terminate the lives of unborn kids who are healthy and still alive.===

    That struck me as cold to the whole discussion. That’s where I fell. That’s where my response stems from.

    Respectfully.

    OW


  52. - Soccermom - Tuesday, May 29, 18 @ 4:58 pm:

    Monique, you’ll want to share that with the Irish doctors who allowed a pregnant woman to die because they considered the “surgical completion” of her miscarriage to be an abortion.


  53. - Soccermom - Tuesday, May 29, 18 @ 5:00 pm:

    Also, is Breen making an exception for fetuses that are not healthy? Who is defining healthy?


  54. - Soccermom - Tuesday, May 29, 18 @ 5:02 pm:

    And my fetus had not “passed” yet. There just wasn’t any hope. But thanks for your kind thoughts. Much appreciated.


  55. - A guy - Tuesday, May 29, 18 @ 5:09 pm:

    ==So what, exactly, did I do wrong?==

    Absolutely nothing.


  56. - Da Big Bad Wolf - Tuesday, May 29, 18 @ 5:42 pm:

    Soccermom, sorry for your loss.


  57. - Amalia - Tuesday, May 29, 18 @ 5:54 pm:

    Oh, Soccermom, thank you for sharing that story, and sorry for your loss. and, yes, you are spot on to tell the story of the pregnant woman who was left to die in Ireland because they would not surgically assist her miscarriage. another sad example of a woman’s life not being valued against an attempt to bring another soul into the world.


  58. - Da Big Bad Wolf - Wednesday, May 30, 18 @ 6:10 am:

    ==You don’t know that==

    What is widely know is that in developed countries that pay for abortion, abortion rates are lower. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/03/12/AR2010031202287.html?noredirect=on


  59. - Da Big Bad Wolf - Wednesday, May 30, 18 @ 6:22 am:

    To clarify, not paying for abortions isn’t a barrier to people having abortions.

    So what is? Universal health care is the best barrier to abortions. Something Mr. Breen should use as a tool, since he cares so much (as I do) about decreasing abortions.


  60. - Anonymous - Wednesday, May 30, 18 @ 2:29 pm:

    We’re not talking about whether abortion is legal. We’re talkjng about who pays for it. That’s a huge difference. And the vast majority of Americans feel that if you want an abortion, you pay for it yourself. The government doesn’t pay for that.

    Another option: the abortion clinics pay. They already get a ton of government money for contraception, plus private donations.


  61. - Monique7 - Wednesday, May 30, 18 @ 2:32 pm:

    No offense taken. But just a reminder that Ireland is irrelevant here. We’re not talking about whether abortion is legal. It already is. We’re talking about who pays for it. That’s a huge difference. And the vast majority of Americans feel that if you want an abortion, you pay for it yourself. The government doesn’t pay for that. another option: abortion clinics pay. They already get a ton of government money for contraception, plus private donations.


  62. - Rich Miller - Wednesday, May 30, 18 @ 2:35 pm:

    ===And the vast majority of Americans feel===

    Elections have consequences.


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