Capitol - Your Illinois News Radar » COVID-19 roundup
SUBSCRIBE to Capitol Fax      Advertise Here      About     Exclusive Subscriber Content     Updated Posts    Contact Rich Miller
To subscribe to Capitol Fax, click here.
COVID-19 roundup

Wednesday, Nov 3, 2021 - Posted by Rich Miller

* For the umpteenth time, I would like to hear someone explain why taking a weekly test is a violation of their conscience

Two Springfield District 186 teachers who have refused to provide proof of COVID-19 vaccinations or submit to weekly testing now have until Nov. 10 to follow the directives of a state mandate issued by Gov. JB Pritzker in August.

* Center Square

The vaccine rollout for 5 to 11 year olds is nearing and some are wondering if a school vaccination mandate in Illinois will follow. […]

In other states, Republican lawmakers have banned COVID-19 vaccine mandates for college students and school children.

“Here in Illinois that requirement is something that would go through the legislature as others have,” said Gov. J.B. Pritzker after receiving a COVID-19 booster shot Tuesday. “We require lots of vaccinations when kids go to school already.”

Vaccine mandates by states have been around for more than a century. In the 1850s, Massachusetts became the first state to mandate a smallpox vaccination for school children. By the early 1980s, all 50 states had vaccination laws covering students first entering school.

* Press release…

The Illinois Department of Public Health (IDPH) is adopting the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention’s (CDC) recommendation for children ages 5 through 11 years to receive the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine. The announcement comes following the U.S. Food and Drug Administration’s (FDA) expansion of the emergency use authorization for the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine for children on October 29, 2021.

Previously, the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine was authorized for use in individuals ages 12 years and older. The vaccine for children ages 5 through 11 years is a smaller dose (10 µg), a third of the dose for individuals 12 years and older (30 µg). The Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine is administered as a series of two doses, 3 weeks apart, for all eligible individuals.

“I encourage parents who may have questions about COVID-19 vaccines for their children to talk with a pediatrician or family doctor,” said IDPH Director Dr. Ngozi Ezike. “Medical experts and scientists have reviewed the data, which included clinical trials with more than 3,000 children receiving the vaccine, and have recommended the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine for children. While most children do not suffer severe COVID-19 illness, some do. We also know children are great transmitters and can unknowingly infect people who could suffer severe illness. We need as many people as possible, including children, to be vaccinated to stop the spread of the virus and end this pandemic.”

COVID-19 vaccinations for those 5 years and older will be available at local health departments, many pharmacies, pediatrician offices, Federally Qualified Health Centers, and from other providers who offer the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine. IDPH has requested all COVID-19 vaccine providers watch the Pfizer-BioNTech training video for administering the pediatric doses of vaccine. Approximately 2,200 pediatric providers in Illinois have enrolled in the State immunization registry and can administer COVID-19 vaccine to their patients. Additionally, IDPH continues to work with schools to set up vaccination clinics and more than 1,200 youth vaccination events have been held or are scheduled.

In clinical trials, the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine was found to be more than 90% effective in preventing COVID-19 in children ages 5 through 11 years. Side effects commonly reported in children, although less frequent compared to adolescents and adults, were generally mild to moderate and included injection site pain (sore arm), redness and swelling, fatigue, headache, muscle and/or joint pain, chills, and fever. Side effects occurred within two days after vaccination and went away within a day or two.

Pfizer Inc. will continue to monitor the safety of the vaccine and will be required to report to the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System, along with providers, all serious adverse events, cases of Multisystem Inflammatory Syndrome, cases that result in hospitalization or death, and vaccine administration errors.

Both the Moderna and Johnson & Johnson (Janssen) COVID-19 vaccines are authorized for use in individuals 18 years and older and will continue to be available to adults.

* More…

* Here’s what to know about kids’ COVID-19 vaccines in Illinois, and where appointments can be scheduled

* Walgreens, CVS® to Begin Offering COVID Vaccines for Kids Under 12 This Weekend

* CPS ‘test-to-stay’ pilot would reduce number of students in quarantine, CEO says

* CDC finds immunity from vaccines is more consistent than from infection, but both last at least six months

* Everyone’s Making Up Their Own Post-booster Rules


  1. - Suburban Mom - Wednesday, Nov 3, 21 @ 12:40 pm:

    I’ve got appointments scheduled for my youngest two, and I can’t wait for them to come home today and hear that their shots are finally, finally going to happen. My kindergartener has been asking every single day.

  2. - Treefiddy - Wednesday, Nov 3, 21 @ 12:49 pm:

    ===I would like to hear someone explain why taking a weekly test is a violation of their conscience===

    There was a witness during last week’s committee hearing that quoted the Bible in their defense against weekly testing, saying something along lines of ‘God does not want you to seek medical care if you’re not sick.’ I leave that here without further comment…

  3. - LakeCo - Wednesday, Nov 3, 21 @ 1:06 pm:

    Signed up my kid for his vaxx appt and am thrilled

  4. - DuPage Saint - Wednesday, Nov 3, 21 @ 1:22 pm:

    Well if they will not tell why it is a violation of conscience I wish they would tell me what else is a violation of their conscience

  5. - Steve Polite - Wednesday, Nov 3, 21 @ 1:32 pm:

    ‘God does not want you to seek medical care if you’re not sick.’

    That’s nonsense. There is no bible verse that supports this concept. It was either taken out of context or used in a way that did not fit the original intent or message. That would mean no annual physicals, no blood work or urinalysis to test for various medical conditions during a preventive check up, no mammograms, no prostate exams, pelvic exams, colonoscopies, or the myriad other testing done regularly as preventive measures. Many diseases or medical conditions don’t have symptoms early on especially many types of cancer.

  6. - Rich Miller - Wednesday, Nov 3, 21 @ 1:33 pm:

    ===It was either taken out of context or used in a way that did not fit the original intent or message===

    Same with these HCRCA complaints, so it wouldn’t surprise me.

  7. - Oswego Willy - Wednesday, Nov 3, 21 @ 1:51 pm:

    === pushing this nonsense on your kids===

    Vaccinations aren’t nonsense. Thinking they are is curiously odd.

  8. - Demoralized - Wednesday, Nov 3, 21 @ 1:52 pm:

    Would someone please stop using my name. This person needs to be banned.

  9. - Amalia - Wednesday, Nov 3, 21 @ 1:55 pm:

    good point to ask for someone to explain. I don’t understand how police think their civil rights are violated with these measures. they must have their kids vaccinated for school, right?

  10. - LakeCo - Wednesday, Nov 3, 21 @ 2:04 pm:

    =kids have never been a serious risk=
    The parents of the 600+ kids who have died of COVID will be happy to hear this.
    Also the people who have caught COVID from kids.

  11. - fly over - Wednesday, Nov 3, 21 @ 2:10 pm:

    “someone explain why taking a weekly test is a violation of their conscience…”

    1. Damage to the amygdala*, via the deep intrusion of the swab, is rumored to be a feature not a bug in this procedure by those not wanting to nasal test.
    2. As far as the spit test, there are others that feel there is too much genetic sample collection happening and don’t want there body fluids collected.
    3. There are also those that don’t want to be on a government list as being non-compliant.
    4. As far as religious and conscience non-compliance, those seem to be based on the birth right of an unaltered immune system.

    It’s a good guess that anyone refusing the testing is thinking along one of these lines. Now, the question of whether any of that is rational…

    *The amygdala is an interesting part of the brain, accessible through the nose– “Shown to perform a primary role in the processing of memory, decision making, and emotional responses (including fear, anxiety, and aggression), the amygdala are considered part of the limbic system.”

    There is a procedure called “amygdalohippocampotomy” that can affect behavior.

  12. - John Lee Pettimore, III - Wednesday, Nov 3, 21 @ 2:19 pm:

    I belong to the Church of Because I Don’t Want To.

  13. - TiredOfIt - Wednesday, Nov 3, 21 @ 2:20 pm:

    -I would like to hear someone explain why taking a weekly test is a violation of their conscience…-

    Luke 5:31 “Jesus answered them, “It is not the healthy who need a doctor, but the sick”

    It is there. Open to interpretation but to say it is not in Bible is disingenuous.

  14. - Ron Burgundy - Wednesday, Nov 3, 21 @ 2:22 pm:

    I am generally supportive of the way the state has handled things in terms of the mask mandates, vaccinations, etc. However, I am starting to hear frustration from friends who are not knee-jerk “But muh freedom” right-wingers that the state now seems to be “winging it” with regard to the current mask mandate. Few states have them now, and there doesn’t seem to be a path or objective measure to easing it. I’ll continue to abide by it, but I sense the frustration growing.

  15. - Oswego Willy - Wednesday, Nov 3, 21 @ 2:24 pm:

    ===It is there. Open to interpretation but to say it is not in Bible is disingenuous.===

    You must be wholly anti-vaccine?

    Do you honestly think Jesus, in context, as talking about medical health or spiritual guidance?

  16. - Ron Burgundy - Wednesday, Nov 3, 21 @ 2:25 pm:

    -Luke 5:31 “Jesus answered them, “It is not the healthy who need a doctor, but the sick”-

    A passage where Jesus is explaining why he dines with tax collectors and sinners. A passage about repentance that has nothing to do with medicine. These folks are just as bad at being religious scholars as they are amateur doctors and lawyers.

  17. - Jocko - Wednesday, Nov 3, 21 @ 2:25 pm:

    Damage to the amygdala? The birth right of an unaltered immune system? Those have to be the thinnest straws ever drawn.

    Just be honest and say “Don’t wanna.”

  18. - Oswego Willy - Wednesday, Nov 3, 21 @ 2:27 pm:

    “Then Levi held a great banquet for Jesus at his house, and a large crowd of tax collectors(AA) and others were eating with them.

    But the Pharisees and the teachers of the law who belonged to their sect(AB) complained to his disciples, “Why do you eat and drink with tax collectors and sinners?”

    Luke, 5:29,30

    Is a Covid infection an infection of one’s soul?

    I’m done. Theology to science and Covid is based on phony interpretations

  19. - Anonymous - Wednesday, Nov 3, 21 @ 2:31 pm:

    -Is a Covid infection an infection of one’s soul?-

    Not but it is a symptomatic one and if someone is not symptomatic and has not been in contact with anyone who has had it, what would the purpose be? Do explain…

    Also the Bloomberg article this week has stated vaccinated individuals are just as likely to spread Covid. Should they test as well then? Would you submit to a test every week as a vaccinated person?

  20. - Captain Obvious - Wednesday, Nov 3, 21 @ 2:32 pm:

    Testing is a perfectly reasonable trade off to avoid being forced to vaccinate. Especially if it is at the employer’s expense, which it should be.

  21. - Oswego Willy - Wednesday, Nov 3, 21 @ 2:35 pm:

    ===employer’s expense, which it should be.===

    Employer’s expense?

    It’s bad enough having a Covidiot working and possibly infecting others. Now you’re advocating the employer to pay for Covidiocy?

  22. - Demoralized - Wednesday, Nov 3, 21 @ 2:36 pm:

    ==but it is a symptomatic one==

    Not necessarily. You can be asymptomatic and have Covid.

    And, you are significantly less likely to catch Covid if you have been vaccinated.

    Two easy answers that you could have found yourself.

  23. - OneMan - Wednesday, Nov 3, 21 @ 2:40 pm:

    Luke 5:31 “Jesus answered them, “It is not the healthy who need a doctor, but the sick”

    When I got my selective service board training a few years back, they not surprisingly spent a fair amount of time on the conscientious objection concept.

    One of the big concepts is that they had to demonstrate consistency in their actions to show that the belief wasn’t new and it is strongly held.

    I guess if you demonstrated you refuse to get blood tests and other medical procedures (like having your BP taken) and have for a while I guess you might have a case. But and I object to this test, but I get a lipid panel once a year is going to be a hard sell.

    Again, I think I have an objection to a test is going to be a hard sell to a court.

  24. - Manchester - Wednesday, Nov 3, 21 @ 2:47 pm:

    I truly do not understand the hesitancy to take the vaccine. I have a cousin who believes it is the “mark of the beast”. I kid you not. Even her own sister, who is ever bit as religious as her sister, thinks that’s crazy.It’s frustrating that there seems to be no way to convince people that are simply not rational.

  25. - Anyone Remember - Wednesday, Nov 3, 21 @ 2:47 pm:

    Luke 5:32: “I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners, to repentance.”

    Luke 5:31 is a metaphor, not literal.

  26. - JS Mill - Wednesday, Nov 3, 21 @ 2:54 pm:

    = Especially if it is at the employer’s expense, which it should be.=

    Suddenly, you have been won over by the working man? LOL.

    What is your position on drug testing to receive public aid? How about requiring id’s to vote?

  27. - Publius - Wednesday, Nov 3, 21 @ 2:56 pm:

    I feel like people have been watching this movie too much based on some comments from above.

  28. - Stoney - Wednesday, Nov 3, 21 @ 2:57 pm:

    I’m sure all of the people citing scripture as their reasoning for refusing the vaccine or any testing are also tithing 10% of their earnings to their church.

  29. - ArchPundit - Wednesday, Nov 3, 21 @ 3:03 pm:

    ===Now you’re advocating the employer to pay for Covidiocy?

    The thing is that might be the key to the state and AFSCME agreeing to the policy. While it’s not my first choice, I’ll take it if it moves the requirement forward.

  30. - Skeptic - Wednesday, Nov 3, 21 @ 3:06 pm:

    “Luke 5:31 is a metaphor, not literal.” Not when you’re a literalist.

  31. - Nearly Normal - Wednesday, Nov 3, 21 @ 3:35 pm:

    AAron Rogers has tested positive for COVID and won’t play against Kansas City this weekend. Earlier in the season Rogers sort of implied that he had been vaccinated but not according to NFL rules. He told reporters in August that he was “immunized”, adding that he would not “judge” those who are not vaccinated.

    Just get your shots.

  32. - Joe Bidenopolous - Wednesday, Nov 3, 21 @ 3:47 pm:

    =the state and AFSCME agreeing to the policy=

    They don’t have to agree. Go to arbitration. The state will win.

    FWIW, my wife was a bulldog for our kids. They got vaccinated about two hours ago.

  33. - Ron Burgundy - Wednesday, Nov 3, 21 @ 3:51 pm:

    -Not when you’re a literalist.-

    Just like when Jesus took the Disciples to the Bass Pro Shop to become fishers of men.

  34. - thoughts matter - Wednesday, Nov 3, 21 @ 3:55 pm:

    There a lot of passages in the Bible that pertain to the time it was written. No refrigeration, so food spoils. So don’t eat old food. Certain animals carried diseases, so don’t eat those animals. No treatment available for those diseases. There was no preventative treatment back then. So healthy people would not have had a reason to be seen by a doctor. In addition. As someone said, the context of the passage didn’t even actually pertain to medical treatment.

    I have no sympathy for employees or airplane passengers who don’t want to get tested. They obviously have no consideration for my health. They are free to make their choices. So is their employer and transportation officials.

    Anyone else feel like we’ve gone Alice in Wonderland? The right wing was all about the rights of employers and big business, and was against employees joining together in unions( walking off the job in strikes). Now we have the right wing applauding mass employee sick-outs and people who refuse to follow employer demands.

  35. - Skeptic - Wednesday, Nov 3, 21 @ 4:03 pm:

    “when Jesus took the Disciples to the Bass Pro Shop” Exactly. I’m not a literalist (or even a believer for that matter), just pointing out that when you believe the Bible is the literal word of God (as some do), then there’s nothing metaphorical about it.

  36. - Oswego Willy - Wednesday, Nov 3, 21 @ 4:06 pm:

    ===then there’s nothing metaphorical about it.===

    Cherry picking words and passages out of context is the phony belief and hiding behind a Bible.

    With some in this category, it’s about the loopholes of faith which says more than any belief in the Bible.

  37. - Steve Polite - Wednesday, Nov 3, 21 @ 4:07 pm:

    “It is there. Open to interpretation but to say it is not in Bible is disingenuous.”

    Like I said, “It was either taken out of context or used in a way that did not fit the original intent or message.”

    “Same with these HCRCA complaints”

    Some of these people are so desperate they are grasping for straws in the middle of a flood rather than the life jackets.

  38. - Ron Burgundy - Wednesday, Nov 3, 21 @ 4:09 pm:

    -With some in this category, it’s about the loopholes of faith which says more than any belief in the Bible.-

    There will always be a subset that thinks that attendance in a building 1-2 hours a week insulates them from everything awful they do in life, starting with flipping off fellow members of the congregation on the way out of the parking lot.

  39. - Amalia - Wednesday, Nov 3, 21 @ 4:15 pm:

    I am a Christian but quit using the Bible as some rationale why your “right” should infringe on my right not to be infected and my right to have a society without a pandemic. y’all are just dense. and I mean y’all in the nicest, my family, sense.

  40. - Stix Hix - Wednesday, Nov 3, 21 @ 4:17 pm:

    ==Just like when Jesus took the Disciples to the Bass Pro Shop to become fishers of men.==

    RB at 3:51 p.m.

    Thanks for making me LOL. You get it.

  41. - Anonymous - Wednesday, Nov 3, 21 @ 4:19 pm:

    ==Damage to the amygdala*==
    Please review basic human anatomy. There is no point in the respiratory tract or nasal cavity where the brain is accessible. It is not possible to touch/access the brain with a nasal swab without drilling/breaking through through the cribriform plate.

  42. - NonAFSCMEStateEmployeeFromChatham - Wednesday, Nov 3, 21 @ 7:26 pm:

    ==They don’t have to agree. Go to arbitration. The state will win.==

    Or better yet, issue an EO mandating a “be vaccinated or be fired” policy for all state workers. With no testing exemptions. Those who refuse to comply will lose their pensions too in addition to their jobs as if they were felons. Maybe consider withholding raises for agencies with low vax rates as an alternative.

  43. - Jibba - Wednesday, Nov 3, 21 @ 9:36 pm:

    ==Those who refuse to comply will lose their pensions too in addition to their jobs as if they were felons. ==

    No can do. Any earned pension is kept. They are not felons, just fired (I’m with you about that BTW).

Sorry, comments for this post are now closed.

* Reader comments closed for the weekend
* New laws (Updated)
* SUBSCRIBERS ONLY - Campaign update: Circling the wagons
* Isabel's afternoon roundup
* Southern Illinoisan newspaper journalists say goodbye to their community after new owner fires all employees
* Report examines Illinois women’s political power
* Proposal to save suburban, Chicago public transit transit includes tax on services, parking and raising RTA sales tax
* AG Raoul, others file antitrust lawsuit against NCAA
* Question of the day: 2023 Golden Horseshoe Awards
* SUBSCRIBERS ONLY - Supplement to today's edition
* SUBSCRIBERS ONLY - Today's edition of Capitol Fax (use all CAPS in password)
* Open thread
* Isabel’s morning briefing
* Live Ed Burke Trial Coverage
* Live coverage
* Yesterday's stories

Visit our advertisers...



Main Menu
Pundit rankings
Subscriber Content
Blagojevich Trial
Updated Posts

December 2023
November 2023
October 2023
September 2023
August 2023
July 2023
June 2023
May 2023
April 2023
March 2023
February 2023
January 2023
December 2022
November 2022
October 2022
September 2022
August 2022
July 2022
June 2022
May 2022
April 2022
March 2022
February 2022
January 2022
December 2021
November 2021
October 2021
September 2021
August 2021
July 2021
June 2021
May 2021
April 2021
March 2021
February 2021
January 2021
December 2020
November 2020
October 2020
September 2020
August 2020
July 2020
June 2020
May 2020
April 2020
March 2020
February 2020
January 2020
December 2019
November 2019
October 2019
September 2019
August 2019
July 2019
June 2019
May 2019
April 2019
March 2019
February 2019
January 2019
December 2018
November 2018
October 2018
September 2018
August 2018
July 2018
June 2018
May 2018
April 2018
March 2018
February 2018
January 2018
December 2017
November 2017
October 2017
September 2017
August 2017
July 2017
June 2017
May 2017
April 2017
March 2017
February 2017
January 2017
December 2016
November 2016
October 2016
September 2016
August 2016
July 2016
June 2016
May 2016
April 2016
March 2016
February 2016
January 2016
December 2015
November 2015
October 2015
September 2015
August 2015
July 2015
June 2015
May 2015
April 2015
March 2015
February 2015
January 2015
December 2014
November 2014
October 2014
September 2014
August 2014
July 2014
June 2014
May 2014
April 2014
March 2014
February 2014
January 2014
December 2013
November 2013
October 2013
September 2013
August 2013
July 2013
June 2013
May 2013
April 2013
March 2013
February 2013
January 2013
December 2012
November 2012
October 2012
September 2012
August 2012
July 2012
June 2012
May 2012
April 2012
March 2012
February 2012
January 2012
December 2011
November 2011
October 2011
September 2011
August 2011
July 2011
June 2011
May 2011
April 2011
March 2011
February 2011
January 2011
December 2010
November 2010
October 2010
September 2010
August 2010
July 2010
June 2010
May 2010
April 2010
March 2010
February 2010
January 2010
December 2009
November 2009
October 2009
September 2009
August 2009
July 2009
June 2009
May 2009
April 2009
March 2009
February 2009
January 2009
December 2008
November 2008
October 2008
September 2008
August 2008
July 2008
June 2008
May 2008
April 2008
March 2008
February 2008
January 2008
December 2007
November 2007
October 2007
September 2007
August 2007
July 2007
June 2007
May 2007
April 2007
March 2007
February 2007
January 2007
December 2006
November 2006
October 2006
September 2006
August 2006
July 2006
June 2006
May 2006
April 2006
March 2006
February 2006
January 2006
December 2005
April 2005
March 2005
February 2005
January 2005
December 2004
November 2004
October 2004

Blog*Spot Archives
November 2005
October 2005
September 2005
August 2005
July 2005
June 2005
May 2005


RSS Feed 2.0
Comments RSS 2.0

Hosted by MCS SUBSCRIBE to Capitol Fax Advertise Here Mobile Version Contact Rich Miller