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Pritzker administration tries to push back on Wirepoints migration report

Friday, Apr 28, 2023 - Posted by Rich Miller

* Wirepoints…


* From the governor’s office…

This is not migration data – it’s data for where people file taxes compared to prior filing periods – its scope is limited and there are a lot of caveats. The census report is the standard for determining domestic migration.

The IRS calls it “migration data.” But the governor’s office referred me to these points in the IRS data user guide

The address shown on the tax return is a mailing address that may not reflect the taxpayer’s actual residence. […]

Data do not represent the full U.S. population because many individuals are not required to file an individual income tax return.

* Meanwhile, budget pressures keep increasing

Lead poisoning from consuming contaminated water can cause irreversible brain damage in children. But too many Illinois childcare facilities have old lead pipes carrying water into their buildings.

Ask Governor Pritzker and the General Assembly to dedicate $104.3 million in the FY2024 budget to eliminate lead water pipes from licensed childcare facilities.

* Press release…

Supportive Housing Providers Association (SHPA) Executive Director David Esposito testified before the Senate Health & Human Services Appropriations Hearing Wednesday night. SHPA and its partner organizations are requesting a funding Increase for Supportive Housing Program Services Supports to be included as part of the FY24 budget. SHPA continues to be grateful for the commitment to funding for supportive housing services by the Illinois General Assembly in the FY23 budget, however, the need to respond to the social and economic fallout from the COVID-19 pandemic continues. “Everyone needs and deserves safe, decent, stable housing. For some of the most vulnerable people in Illinois — people with mental illness, chronic health conditions, histories of trauma, and other struggles — a home helps them to get adequate treatment and start on the path toward self-sufficiency. But some conditions make it difficult for people to maintain a stable home without additional help. Supportive housing, a highly effective and proven strategy that combines affordable housing with intensive coordinated services, can provide that needed assistance.,” said Mr. Esposito, he went on to say, “The issues of affordable housing and homelessness have been made even more urgent by the economic impacts of the COVID-19 pandemic. Specifically, when it comes to homelessness, this is a challenge not just happening in Illinois, but across the nation, and it has deep and immediate impacts on the lives of all it touches,”

Supportive housing providers are experiencing the largest workforce crisis in decades, program cost increases and are struggling to meet increased demand for services from individuals who, but for the support of providers such as the those that are SHPA members, would be homeless or institutionalized, and facing steep barriers to housing, health and behavioral healthcare, and human services. Instead, they’d rely on hospital emergency rooms, jails, and prisons to meet their immediate needs.

    · 10,431 Illinoisians are Homeless Tonight- 47.5% have a disabling condition- 20% are experiencing chronic homelessness.
    · Illinois had the 5th highest increase in the rate of chronic homelessness in the nation.
    · 17,684 Supportive Housing beds are currently dedicated to Illinoisians who have experienced homelessness or unnecessary institutionalization
    · 40,749 Additional Illinoisians need Supportive Housing now-
    · 8 times higher for Black/African Americans households to experience homelessness in Illinois.

SHPA is requesting the General Assembly to appropriate a total $57,095,130 (increase $14.5 million) to supportive housing services in the FY24 state budget (breakdown as follows): General Revenue:

    · $ 28,060,180 Supportive housing MI Housing (IDHS-Division of Mental Health)
    o $ 2,271,380 increase for 10% cost of living increase for all current homeless and supportive housing grantees to offset increased program related costs.
    o $ 3,075,000 increase to support services to 308 new unit development between 2022 & 2023.
    · $ 25,314,200 to Supportive Housing Services (IDHS-Bureau of Homeless Services)
    o $ 1,649,010 increase a 10% cost of living increase for all current homeless and supportive housing grantees to offset increased program related costs.
    o $ 7,175,000 increase to support services to 718 new unit development between 2022 & 2023.

State Grants:

    · $ 3,720,750 to Supportive Housing Mental Health Services and a $ 338,250 increase to for a 10% cost of living increase for all current supportive housing grantees to offset increase program related costs.

* And

Dear Leaders Harmon, Welch, McCombie, and Curran:

Thank you for your continued support and recognition of Illinois’ Community Health Centers (FQHCs) as a longstanding bipartisan solution to the primary care access problems facing our state. As you proceed with the Fiscal Year (FY) 2024 appropriations process, we respectfully request that you include $100 million ($50 million GRF + $50 million federal match) within the Department of Healthcare and Family Services’ budget to increase reimbursement rates for Illinois’ Community Health Centers (FQHCs).

       

18 Comments
  1. - Fav Human - Friday, Apr 28, 23 @ 3:03 pm:

    data for where people file taxes compared to prior filing periods

    Missing the point - those people USED to pay taxes to IL, NOW they pay taxes to some other state.

    Where they actually sleep most nights is interesting but not quite so relevant. I’m not sure how you pay taxes to another state but live in IL most of the time.


  2. - TheInvisibleMan - Friday, Apr 28, 23 @ 3:10 pm:

    – I’m not sure how you pay taxes to another state but live in IL most of the time.–

    When did the IRS have anything to do with Illinois income taxes?

    That’s the IL Dept of Revenue, which conveniently isn’t mentioned anywhere in the pointy wires propaganda piece.

    But if you’ve ignored the IRS data user guide that this data is from, which clearly says mailing addresses aren’t residency addresses, then why not ignore everything else? It’s not like you were going to make an honest argument in the first place.


  3. - Rich Miller - Friday, Apr 28, 23 @ 3:12 pm:

    ===I’m not sure how you pay taxes to another state but live in IL most of the time. ===

    You ever heard of remote work?


  4. - Back to the Future - Friday, Apr 28, 23 @ 3:15 pm:

    So I can believe Team Pritzker or the IRS.
    Thinking I will go with the IRS numbers.
    Of course not a scientific poll here, but a lot of dear old friends and their children have left Illinois. I think a lot of folks who get older move out because of the weather, but high taxes and being one of the most corrupt states in the USA are not big pluses.
    Personally I like living in Chicago. It is a beautiful city with a lot of things to do that you just can not find in other parts of the country.


  5. - ToddF - Friday, Apr 28, 23 @ 3:17 pm:

    ==I’m not sure how you pay taxes to another state but live in IL most of the time==

    Easy. Live in Chicago, but work in Gary; live in Antioch, but work in Kenosha; live in Galena, but work in Dubuque; live in Belleville, but work in St. Louis; live in Vienna, but work in Louisville.


  6. - Oswego Willy - Friday, Apr 28, 23 @ 3:24 pm:

    When the folks at Wirepoints finally leave, that’ll be news.

    Proft, Kass, they must be laughing at the grifters still in Illinois…

    … or maybe Wirepoints is both the mark and the vertical integration tool.


  7. - Candy Dogood - Friday, Apr 28, 23 @ 3:25 pm:

    In Illinois one pays Illinois income tax on Illinois sourced income. Unless someone completely divests from Illinois when the move they’re still paying income tax. The wealthier someone is or the bigger a business’ footprint is, the less likely that changing their address is going to dramatically reduce or even change how much tax they owe to Illinois.

    The federal government does not care which state you earned the income. Wirepoint’s post isn’t based off of data that would be valid for making the claim that they seem to be trying to imply.

    The Governor’s response also isn’t great — which is unusual for his social media team.


  8. - Sue - Friday, Apr 28, 23 @ 3:47 pm:

    JB’s response brings to mind a famous saying- “Who are you going to believe, me or your lying eyes”. It is incontrovertible that Illinois is losing billions of income as people are moving taking their income. And next year- Griffin’s lost income should show up which will add 2 billion to the income number and neatly 100 million in lost tax revenue


  9. - Oswego Willy - Friday, Apr 28, 23 @ 3:52 pm:

    - Sue - worshipping the wealthy is always a treat, that Illinois would be “better with Griffin”… because “money”

    - Sue -,

    Griffin doesn’t believe in the things needing funding, like state government.

    You do realize you’re being played, right, LOL

    It makes me laugh so much, this true worship of a man who, if here, sees funding government is bad.

    - Sue -, Griffin won and still left… you’re still here.

    And you’re laughing at Pritzker?


  10. - Candy Dogood - Friday, Apr 28, 23 @ 3:53 pm:

    ===Griffin’s lost income should show up which will add 2 billion to the income number and neatly 100 million in lost tax revenue===

    GOP Daddy Kenny G is an incredibly rich person. I would find it hard to believe that he would be paying zero Illinois income taxes in 2023.

    The whole time he was living here we also would have been giving him credit for income taxes he paid to other states, too. The GOP Daddy isn’t earning all or most of his income on W2s from a desk job and that’s not going to change just because he went out for milk and didn’t come back after the GOP nominated Darren Bailey.


  11. - Ebenezer - Friday, Apr 28, 23 @ 3:53 pm:

    In theory, Wirepoints has a point. A high income taxpayer can substantially increase their after tax income by moving from CA (12.3%) to TX(0%). You can go from a marginal rate of 53% to 41%, which is about a 26% increase in what you keep.

    The remarkable fact is how few people actually move. Wirepoints neglected to point out that CA had 1.7 trillion in AGI in 2020, so 29 billion is rounding error. That 1.7T is up from 940 billion in 2010, so it doesn’t seem to be hurting their tax base much.
    IDOR doesn’t make it easy to find the comparable IL info, but in 2022 Taxable income exceeded $500 billion. so $10 billion is not huge.

    In the long run, the tax rates are not nearly as important as whether you are getting value for money. Focus on making it a good place to live, for more and more companies, the jobs will go where people want to live.


  12. - Sue - Friday, Apr 28, 23 @ 4:01 pm:

    OW- what you and others forget is that one must assume folks make rational self interested decisions. So although advocates of progressive Blue State policies always say that Red states have it all wrong- those states are gaining in population movement. Progressives might cheer the exodus but the exits leave behind budget issues- just ask JB as he tries to finance his newly enacted programs with less resources


  13. - Oswego Willy - Friday, Apr 28, 23 @ 4:04 pm:

    ===what you and others forget===

    tl:dt

    The gist is you are still worshiping a man who won a right to keep regressive taxing… and still left.

    What you forget, is you got played if you’re still here…


  14. - TheInvisibleMan - Friday, Apr 28, 23 @ 4:15 pm:

    –It is incontrovertible that Illinois is losing billions of income–

    Not from this data it isn’t. Again, this is the IRS, not the IL Dept of Revenue.

    I paid income taxes to NJ a few years back. I lived in Illinois. I no longer pay income taxes to New Jersey. Did I move out of New Jersey? No, but using the IRS data alone like you are for this story, you would say right to my face that I moved out of New Jersey.

    I get the sense none of the facts of how this works will change your mind. If you are glossing over something as major as the IRS not having anything to do with IL income taxes, then you are going to ignore everything.


  15. - Nate - Friday, Apr 28, 23 @ 4:30 pm:

    ===I’m not sure how you pay taxes to another state but live in IL most of the time. ===

    ==You ever heard of remote work?==

    Yes, data from 2021 filings of 2020 income tax filings are a very *interesting* choice of data set from which to extrapolate “trends.”


  16. - Nate - Friday, Apr 28, 23 @ 4:31 pm:

    Oops, proofreading is important

    ===I’m not sure how you pay taxes to another state but live in IL most of the time. ===

    ==You ever heard of remote work?==

    Yes, data from 2021 filings on 2020 income are a very *interesting* choice of data set from which to extrapolate “trends.”


  17. - State revenues - Saturday, Apr 29, 23 @ 12:52 pm:

    After tax day last year IL reported the highest state tax revenues ever. This year is going to be second highest. Those are straight up facts about how much money IDOR collects. Seems like that is the more important news. If we want to examine how we could generate more revenue let’s put our entire tax system on the table and see how we can make it more fair to people at lower income levels and generate more money.


  18. - Whistlers Mother - Monday, May 1, 23 @ 10:24 am:

    Whistling past the graveyard.


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