I have been thinking about Rich’s post yesterday, following up on the three readings rule issue.
It seems obvious that some choose to use the literal language of the law (rule) in order to abuse the intent (spirit) of the law. When they do and when allowed to do so by the body, they establish “precedent.” Soon thereafter, that precedent becomes the new “intent” of the previous law (rule).
This is why I suggested last week that the Parliamentarian role in the Legislature must take a more active role in preserve and protecting the rules of the Senate, the rules of the House. In the absence of an independent parliamentarian, the rule of law, the rules of the body, eventually become corrupted.
The three readings of the title rule implied and was understood always to imply that the title always references the same issue and the same legislation. When that same legislation adopts a fundamentally new agenda, it actually becomes the old and the new - and thereby violates another rule of the legislative body that obligates bills to be singularly focused.
Rich, your current thoughts about this problem are important, and I hope legislators and the parliamentarians address this at the beginning of the next legislative session. If not, they will by prove that Justice Holder-White is correct (which I believe she already is).
Abuse of the rules is unacceptable at the theoretical level. But at the practical level, it can sometimes become criminal. That is what Holder-White seems to suggest. We must have faith that those we elect to represent us will play by the rules. When they do not, faith in government is lost, and justly so.
Been wondering if this short heat wave is worse than the one back in July 2011 which was a bit less humid, BUT came in the middle of weeks of fairly hot temps.
A couple suggestions for my fellow commenters: Stay hydrated if you go outside today, folks. Also, be on the lookout for cars pulled over with their hazard lights on. There are folks who shouldn’t be out today going out anyway and having health issues due to the heat that you might be able to help.
drink water before you feel the need. staying hydrated means anticipating the acute need for hydration. think about your pets too. inside still need the hydration. outside affects the inside and AC makes you need water.
- Proud Papa Bear - Thursday, Aug 24, 23 @ 10:00 am:
I heard an interesting episode of the 21st show yesterday. Some of the Republicans on the panel still think their problem is the media painting them as extremists. Later in the day I read on CapFax the bill targeting trans Illinoisans.
If folks need a cooling center - head to your nearest library. Also, counties might have an emergency service-type website that lists all cooling centers…
Glad I had a TV antenna cable run into my basement. Wow, is it nice. Who needs air conditioning when you have a color TV and good sleeping couch in the basement.
This is a good time to figure out where to plant that Shade tree you have been meaning to plant. Maybe add ventilation to the attic. Maybe next time you get a roof get a white heat reflecting Energy Star shingles.
First time getting ghosted by a CTA bus that showed the wifi symbol on the tracker, and it happened when I was sitting in the sun on a hot as heck day. Ended up retreating halfway down the block to find shade while waiting for the next one.
For all of us office denizens, one of the signs of dehydration is that dull headache that comes on out of the blue. Coffee is questionable. Water is better.
@Papa2008, good note on coffee. i’ve read that iced tea pulls water from the body. so water really is the choice for hydration. my beloved iced tea will have to wait now.
- Joe Bidenopolous - Thursday, Aug 24, 23 @ 11:38 am:
=head to your nearest library*=
*as long as a definitely-not-extremist Republican doesn’t phone in a bomb threat
A few years ago, two retired conspiracy theorists in my hometown set up a “X Discussion Chat” for the town.
The group now has 3000+ members, in a town of just over 2600 people.
The admins and their friends post 4-5 anti-LGBT, anti-vaccine, etc posts every single day. They’ve increased this week as a local Pride page was set up, and because the founder made a critical comment on the main group. Now they’ve been banning most people who disagree that teachers are committing sexual misconduct to teach kids to be gay and trans.
Social media is far too effective at amplifying the worst of rural communities. I would no longer feel safe moving back.
== If folks need a cooling center - head to your nearest library ==
I had a discussion this morning with a neighboring community’s library trustee - in general, we were bemoaning the difficulties many small rural libraries are facing and the many services beyond just books that these rural libraries provide. In small towns across southern IL - the library is likely to be the only available “cooling center”.
Shibboleth wrote: Social media is far too effective at amplifying the worst of rural communities.
Amen to that. We have had a similar situation here in Macomb, IL, in which a Facebook page has guided hatred of others, and has viciously attached a member of the community, including the use of doxxing.
It seems in small towns, a loud voice becomes relatively louder, and thereby compels others to choose sides.
Technology enhances a lot of things, including hate and anger. But is small towns the effect can be bigger due to small numbers.
- Teacher Lady - Thursday, Aug 24, 23 @ 8:59 am:
It’s hot. Hot, Hot, Hot (banned punctuation)
What’s going on is everybody’s air conditioners.
- H-W - Thursday, Aug 24, 23 @ 9:03 am:
I have been thinking about Rich’s post yesterday, following up on the three readings rule issue.
It seems obvious that some choose to use the literal language of the law (rule) in order to abuse the intent (spirit) of the law. When they do and when allowed to do so by the body, they establish “precedent.” Soon thereafter, that precedent becomes the new “intent” of the previous law (rule).
This is why I suggested last week that the Parliamentarian role in the Legislature must take a more active role in preserve and protecting the rules of the Senate, the rules of the House. In the absence of an independent parliamentarian, the rule of law, the rules of the body, eventually become corrupted.
The three readings of the title rule implied and was understood always to imply that the title always references the same issue and the same legislation. When that same legislation adopts a fundamentally new agenda, it actually becomes the old and the new - and thereby violates another rule of the legislative body that obligates bills to be singularly focused.
Rich, your current thoughts about this problem are important, and I hope legislators and the parliamentarians address this at the beginning of the next legislative session. If not, they will by prove that Justice Holder-White is correct (which I believe she already is).
Abuse of the rules is unacceptable at the theoretical level. But at the practical level, it can sometimes become criminal. That is what Holder-White seems to suggest. We must have faith that those we elect to represent us will play by the rules. When they do not, faith in government is lost, and justly so.
- 10th ward - Thursday, Aug 24, 23 @ 9:08 am:
Jerry just hired Harold Baines as manager and Robin Ventura as 3rd base coach. /snark/
- Holding Back - Thursday, Aug 24, 23 @ 9:13 am:
Glenn Poshard has been making his book tour through my area.
- CT Guy - Thursday, Aug 24, 23 @ 9:19 am:
Been wondering if this short heat wave is worse than the one back in July 2011 which was a bit less humid, BUT came in the middle of weeks of fairly hot temps.
- Former ILSIP - Thursday, Aug 24, 23 @ 9:22 am:
A couple suggestions for my fellow commenters: Stay hydrated if you go outside today, folks. Also, be on the lookout for cars pulled over with their hazard lights on. There are folks who shouldn’t be out today going out anyway and having health issues due to the heat that you might be able to help.
- Rich Miller - Thursday, Aug 24, 23 @ 9:32 am:
===Stay hydrated if you go outside today===
Speaking from experience (yesterday) I must concur.
- TheInvisibleMan - Thursday, Aug 24, 23 @ 9:37 am:
Also stay hydrated if you are indoors all day. AC dehumidifies the air and if it is running more than normal that drier air will also dry you out.
It’s insidious because it doesn’t seem like anything is happening.
- Ouch! - Thursday, Aug 24, 23 @ 9:45 am:
I purchased tickets to a film festival. My sticker shock was not limited to the increased ticket prices, but the higher amusement taxes.
These taxes now apply to entertainment venues, sporting events, and, cable television bills.
“We are not amused.”
- Amalia - Thursday, Aug 24, 23 @ 9:58 am:
drink water before you feel the need. staying hydrated means anticipating the acute need for hydration. think about your pets too. inside still need the hydration. outside affects the inside and AC makes you need water.
- Proud Papa Bear - Thursday, Aug 24, 23 @ 10:00 am:
I heard an interesting episode of the 21st show yesterday. Some of the Republicans on the panel still think their problem is the media painting them as extremists. Later in the day I read on CapFax the bill targeting trans Illinoisans.
- Donnie Elgin - Thursday, Aug 24, 23 @ 10:03 am:
If folks need a cooling center - head to your nearest library. Also, counties might have an emergency service-type website that lists all cooling centers…
https://211dupage.gov/index.php/disaster#
http://kanecountyconnects.com/article/Coolinglocations-KaneCounty-Summer
- Al - Thursday, Aug 24, 23 @ 10:04 am:
Glad I had a TV antenna cable run into my basement. Wow, is it nice. Who needs air conditioning when you have a color TV and good sleeping couch in the basement.
This is a good time to figure out where to plant that Shade tree you have been meaning to plant. Maybe add ventilation to the attic. Maybe next time you get a roof get a white heat reflecting Energy Star shingles.
- Homebody - Thursday, Aug 24, 23 @ 10:19 am:
First time getting ghosted by a CTA bus that showed the wifi symbol on the tracker, and it happened when I was sitting in the sun on a hot as heck day. Ended up retreating halfway down the block to find shade while waiting for the next one.
- Papa2008 - Thursday, Aug 24, 23 @ 10:46 am:
For all of us office denizens, one of the signs of dehydration is that dull headache that comes on out of the blue. Coffee is questionable. Water is better.
- Amalia - Thursday, Aug 24, 23 @ 11:03 am:
@Papa2008, good note on coffee. i’ve read that iced tea pulls water from the body. so water really is the choice for hydration. my beloved iced tea will have to wait now.
- Joe Bidenopolous - Thursday, Aug 24, 23 @ 11:38 am:
=head to your nearest library*=
*as long as a definitely-not-extremist Republican doesn’t phone in a bomb threat
- Shibboleth - Thursday, Aug 24, 23 @ 11:38 am:
A few years ago, two retired conspiracy theorists in my hometown set up a “X Discussion Chat” for the town.
The group now has 3000+ members, in a town of just over 2600 people.
The admins and their friends post 4-5 anti-LGBT, anti-vaccine, etc posts every single day. They’ve increased this week as a local Pride page was set up, and because the founder made a critical comment on the main group. Now they’ve been banning most people who disagree that teachers are committing sexual misconduct to teach kids to be gay and trans.
Social media is far too effective at amplifying the worst of rural communities. I would no longer feel safe moving back.
- Shibboleth - Thursday, Aug 24, 23 @ 11:51 am:
Should clarify, the x in quotes is to censor the city name.
- DownSouth - Thursday, Aug 24, 23 @ 12:13 pm:
== If folks need a cooling center - head to your nearest library ==
I had a discussion this morning with a neighboring community’s library trustee - in general, we were bemoaning the difficulties many small rural libraries are facing and the many services beyond just books that these rural libraries provide. In small towns across southern IL - the library is likely to be the only available “cooling center”.
- H-W - Thursday, Aug 24, 23 @ 2:08 pm:
Shibboleth wrote: Social media is far too effective at amplifying the worst of rural communities.
Amen to that. We have had a similar situation here in Macomb, IL, in which a Facebook page has guided hatred of others, and has viciously attached a member of the community, including the use of doxxing.
It seems in small towns, a loud voice becomes relatively louder, and thereby compels others to choose sides.
Technology enhances a lot of things, including hate and anger. But is small towns the effect can be bigger due to small numbers.