SUBSCRIBE to Capitol Fax      Advertise Here      Mobile Version     Exclusive Subscriber Content     Updated Posts    Contact
CapitolFax.com
To subscribe to Capitol Fax, click here.
Question of the day

Tuesday, Mar 31, 2009

* This bill has already passed the House, but today’s Sun-Times editorial reminded me to ask the question. The setup is from a recent Tribune story

Student-athletes across the state would be subject to random drug testing throughout the season if a bill that was unanimously passed by the House on Thursday is approved by the Senate and signed by Gov. Pat Quinn.

Illinois last fall joined Texas, New Jersey and Florida in testing its high school athletes in a plan implemented and funded by the Illinois High School Association. Florida dropped its state-funded program in mid-February, citing a lack of money.

Sponsoring Rep. Jack Franks (D-Marengo) said the bill proposes testing an additional 1,000 student-athletes each year from at least 25 percent of Illinois high schools. […]

Of the 264 tests that were administered last fall, 258 came back negative; the six others were granted medical exceptions.

“I think it’s a good thing because it will even the playing field,” said Nazareth running back LaSteven McKinney, a junior. “With the old system, they had time to clear their system before a random test. I think most kids still think they won’t get caught.”

The Illinois chapter of the American Civil Liberties Union opposes the legislation because “there ought to be some basis on which to do that search,” said spokesman Ed Yohnka.

* The Question: Should Illinois’ high school athletes be randomly tested for performance enhancing drugs? Explain fully. Thanks.

- Posted by Rich Miller        


22 Comments
  1. - Shore - Tuesday, Mar 31, 09 @ 11:40 am:

    As a Republican I generally support things like this, but as a former student athlete I think it’s highly unnecessary. The vast majority of student athletes in high school don’t play running back for the Dillon Panthers and it seems like a huge waste of money to test the Deerfield High School women’s golf team for drugs.


  2. - OneMan - Tuesday, Mar 31, 09 @ 11:46 am:

    If it gives a kid a reason to say no.. “Yeah I would love to but it’s football season and I might get tested” I don’t have an issue with it.


  3. - Sacks Romana - Tuesday, Mar 31, 09 @ 11:52 am:

    No. In addition to being a violation of the right to privacy, it serves absolutely no purpose at a huge expense.

    The medical expemptions above means that out of 264 tests, 264 came back negative. I knew plenty of people and athletes in high school that were on low prescription steroids for a variety of legitimate medical conditions. They were not performance enhancing.

    What is the ratio of high school athletes using performance enhancing drugs to those flunking classes but having the coaches and admins pulling strings so they can still compete. At my high school kids were sometimes busted for drinking on the weekends by the police. If they were football players, it was unlikely they’d miss a game. Other athletes or students would sometimes be suspended for these off-campus incidents. And even these problems shouldn’t be addressed by the state, but local school boards and PTA.

    And aside from athletes, there are way more adolescents with drug problems far more serious than the miniscule amount of student athelets using performance enhancing drugs. This bill is a joke and an insult to the real problems facing teenagers.

    The easiest and best solution to stop young athletes from using performance enhancers is to really outlaw them in professional sports instead of glorifying every new home run hitter that just went up four helmet sizes in the last year.


  4. - Heartless Libertarian - Tuesday, Mar 31, 09 @ 11:52 am:

    Was tested 3 or 4 times when I was in high school… never came back positive… I was quite surprised….


  5. - Deep South - Tuesday, Mar 31, 09 @ 12:06 pm:

    Random drug testing of teachers and coaches first, then student-athletes.


  6. - Ghost - Tuesday, Mar 31, 09 @ 12:29 pm:

    Random drug testing of legislatures who vote on laws first, then students.

    BTW, since we are in a fiscal crisis, who pays for this and who gets thejuicy contract to do the testing.


  7. - Amy - Tuesday, Mar 31, 09 @ 12:34 pm:

    yes, then maybe we can extend it to all pro athletes in a way that will have some consequences. everyone should be on the Olympics standard when it comes to athletics and performance enhancing drugs.


  8. - Fan of the Game - Tuesday, Mar 31, 09 @ 12:40 pm:

    While it’s legal already for Illinois schools to randomly test student-athletes for performance enhancing drugs, it shouldn’t be mandated. It’s a costly exercise for school districts, and the percentage of students using such drugs is miniscule.

    School districts (and the state) have much better uses for their resources.


  9. - ArchPundit - Tuesday, Mar 31, 09 @ 1:11 pm:

    Most troubling is the blind acceptance that whatever lab is doing the analysis is qualified and follows procedure. The cycling world (to Amy’s point–Olympic level testing) has been rocked by a series of positive tests that any honest scientist wouldn’t vouch for.

    The standards are supposed to be in line with the World Anti-Doping Agency which was run by Dick Pound for a long time. Dick Pound and his colleagues are incompetent buffoons who understand virtually nothing about confidence intervals.

    WPA is even starting to lose cases in front of the kangaroo courts they set up. It’s simply not fair to high school athletes to have their reputation put at stake over mediocre science.


  10. - Hair today, gone.... - Tuesday, Mar 31, 09 @ 1:30 pm:

    When my daughters high school golf team entered end of season tournaments last fall, we got letters informing us of the random testing. I was happy my daughter didn’t think it was a big deal. In my high school days, this could have been problematic.


  11. - Rich Miller - Tuesday, Mar 31, 09 @ 1:36 pm:

    Hmm. Not an incredibly popular QOTD, I see.


  12. - bman - Tuesday, Mar 31, 09 @ 1:52 pm:

    it is unfortunate that drug testing is needed at any level of sports. However our society has put way too much emphasis on athletics. Professional and college level sports have already been corrupted. Maybe high school sports can return to where drug testing is not neccesary. Another point is that it isn’t the student athletes. Remember the story where a high school football coach would only let the players drink fluids supplied by the team, only to find out steriods had been added. The whole scenario is just too darn sad.


  13. - Frank Booth - Tuesday, Mar 31, 09 @ 1:53 pm:

    Yes and as a treat to AFSCME the legislation should require testing be done by certified, unionized Illinois Department of Public Health labs, which will require more staffing to handle the influx and quick turnaround.
    Everybody wins, except for the roid users.


  14. - just ducky - Tuesday, Mar 31, 09 @ 1:56 pm:

    how many high schools are that fantastic on the national stage? not many. if those schools want to test to promote their athletes to professional sports leagues, let them pay for it. i’d rather see IHSA contributing to oh, i don’t know, education for cheerleaders about the importance of proper nutrition or teaching all sports participants how to properly lift weights and exercise to prevent the life-long injuries they’re suffering now or recruiting qualified coaches, for heaven’s sake. i know too many young high schoolers already facing surgeries from the extreme demands on their little bodies, not to mention that these kids play sports to learn something from someone who ought to know something about the sport –not some no one off the street who encourages students to tee-pee houses as a team building exercise.


  15. - Dan S, a Voter, Taxpayer and Cubs Fan - Tuesday, Mar 31, 09 @ 2:22 pm:

    If there is nothing illegal to hide then what is the problem with testing?


  16. - Nearly Normal - Tuesday, Mar 31, 09 @ 2:26 pm:

    I taught at a downstate school that random tested all students participating in IHSA sponsored events including band, debate and speech teams, etc. During the three years before I retired in ‘05 only two students tested positive. One was banished from sports for the year and the other was proven to have had a false positive from taking doctor ordered prescription drugs.

    Most of the hard-core users were not in school-sponsored activities. It probably made those who dabbled cut back during season.

    THe method was urine tests. This did not test for long-term use such as a hair sample would detect. When I substitute taught in Peoria in 2006 at Notre Dame High I had to submit a hair sample for a drug test as part of my employment. So, they found out I was not a natural blond.


  17. - Joe Schmoe - Tuesday, Mar 31, 09 @ 2:37 pm:

    If I recall correctly, this first year of the IHSA mandated random drug testing of students participating in IHSA state tournaments has resulted in NO positive tests. None. Zip. Zero.

    So is it worth it? Sure as hell is. Just the idea of random testing serves as a wonderful deterrent.


  18. - JI - Tuesday, Mar 31, 09 @ 3:24 pm:

    My high school started it while I was a student about 4-6 years ago. Not only was it for student athletes but randomly for any student involved in ANY extra-curricular.

    I’d say test randomly for any extra-curriculars, but test ALL student athletes. As well as all teachers and coaches.


  19. - ArchPundit - Tuesday, Mar 31, 09 @ 4:09 pm:

    I’m rather baffled by so many in this thread just assuming the science is good when the very standards the World Anti-Doping agency uses are a joke in many cases. The testosterone standards aren’t based on reasonable confidence intervals and as I mentioned even some of the kangaroo courts set up by WADA have started dismissing supposed positive test results.

    But add to this the problem of these are growing people with hormones out of whack–how do you effectively test for testosterone in teenage boys when you don’t know the 95% confidence intervals?

    http://trustbut.blogspot.com/2008/03/breaking-science-te-test-isnt-very-good.html

    The report linked in the story essentially says that there isn’t a 5% significance level to the test, but a 14% which is well outside of standard statistical practice. Of course, in a test like this you would still want to shoot for 1% significance level at least or you would find 50 students out of the 1000 student random sample who would be identified as using a performance enhancing substance even though they were not.

    Develop the science–meaning in the case of testosterone–do a long range study of testosterone levels before you start testing people for it.


  20. - zoble - Tuesday, Mar 31, 09 @ 6:52 pm:

    As a parent of 2 high school athletes, I have no problem with this idea. But here’s another. How about testing welfare recipients as a requirement
    to receive aid? Other states have started this.


  21. - wordslinger - Tuesday, Mar 31, 09 @ 6:56 pm:

    No. I haven’t seen that it’s been identified as a problem.

    There are good education efforts going on in the sport I’m involved in. Believe me, the high schoolers I know are down on steriods. They resent that the baseball memories of their childhood was stolen from them because of the cheating by Bonds, McGwire, Sosa, ARod, et al.


  22. - Lynn S - Wednesday, Apr 1, 09 @ 12:22 am:

    Oh, all the taxpayers will be paying for it. Can’t wait for the uproar when we have to cut positions to balance the budget because of this.

    Good question about the lab contacts, though. Rich, do you know anything/have you heard anything?

    My choice: first test the legislators, then the admin. staff within the district, then the coaches and teachers, and finally the atheletes. Wouldn’t we all like to see those results??


Sorry, comments for this post are now closed.


* Reader comments closed for the holiday weekend
* Fracking rules finally unveiled
* Question of the day
* A big IDOT roundup
* Even Steven, for now
* *** UPDATED x1 - Confirmed *** Report: Libertarians file charges
* Big guys dinged a bit, but little guys helped a lot
* Today's photo
* Yesterday's blog posts

Support CapitolFax.com
Visit our advertisers...

...............

...............


Search This Blog...

Search the 98th General Assembly By Bill Number
(example: HB0001)

Search the 98th General Assembly By Keyword

          
        * WhatsApp Messenger update adds Android Wear support
        * How to prevent your naughty pictures from appearing on the Internet
        * Is the Galaxy Note 4 camera as good as on the Lenovo Vibe Z2?
        * iCloud flaw may have allowed nude celebrity photos to leak
        * Super-thin 5.15mm-thick Android goes official
        * 5.5-inch iPhone 6 back shell shown on video?
        * Sony may go beyond 2m of water in new devices at IFA 2014

        * Bania.io Maintains Your Productivity Chain with a Daily Email
        * Apple Says It is “Actively Investigating” Celeb Photo Hack
        * Bitcoin slowly goes global as businesses like Overstock expand to international customers
        * Don't Let Negative Feedback Accumulate, Dole It Out in Regular Doses
        * Moto X+1 Moto Maker Exclusive For AT&T May Only Last Three Days
        * Cardboard Jet Fighter Cockpit Big Enough To Accommodate Office Chair
        * Sleep In a Pool.. Well, Sort Of, With Snurk’s Pool Bedding

        * Podcast: Dunn Deal
        * Thoughts on the Adrian Nieto experiment
        * Breaks turn in Quintana's favor against Tigers
        * Molina outrighted; roster spot opens up for Rodon
        * Wilkins, Snodgress part of White Sox shuffle
        * Noesi looks to continue push toward season's end
        * Breaks turn in Quintana's favor against Tigers


        Main Menu
        Home
        Illinois
        YouTube
        Pundit rankings
        Obama
        Subscriber Content
        Durbin
        Burris
        Blagojevich Trial
        Advertising
        Updated Posts
        Polls

        Archives
        August 2014
        July 2014
        June 2014
        May 2014
        April 2014
        March 2014
        February 2014
        January 2014
        December 2013
        November 2013
        October 2013
        September 2013
        August 2013
        July 2013
        June 2013
        May 2013
        April 2013
        March 2013
        February 2013
        January 2013
        December 2012
        November 2012
        October 2012
        September 2012
        August 2012
        July 2012
        June 2012
        May 2012
        April 2012
        March 2012
        February 2012
        January 2012
        December 2011
        November 2011
        October 2011
        September 2011
        August 2011
        July 2011
        June 2011
        May 2011
        April 2011
        March 2011
        February 2011
        January 2011
        December 2010
        November 2010
        October 2010
        September 2010
        August 2010
        July 2010
        June 2010
        May 2010
        April 2010
        March 2010
        February 2010
        January 2010
        December 2009
        November 2009
        October 2009
        September 2009
        August 2009
        July 2009
        June 2009
        May 2009
        April 2009
        March 2009
        February 2009
        January 2009
        December 2008
        November 2008
        October 2008
        September 2008
        August 2008
        July 2008
        June 2008
        May 2008
        April 2008
        March 2008
        February 2008
        January 2008
        December 2007
        November 2007
        October 2007
        September 2007
        August 2007
        July 2007
        June 2007
        May 2007
        April 2007
        March 2007
        February 2007
        January 2007
        December 2006
        November 2006
        October 2006
        September 2006
        August 2006
        July 2006
        June 2006
        May 2006
        April 2006
        March 2006
        February 2006
        January 2006
        December 2005
        April 2005
        March 2005
        February 2005
        January 2005
        December 2004
        November 2004
        October 2004

        Blog*Spot Archives
        November 2005
        October 2005
        September 2005
        August 2005
        July 2005
        June 2005
        May 2005

        Syndication

        RSS Feed 2.0
        Comments RSS 2.0
        WordPress

        Loading


        * Why is Gov. Pat Quinn living off minimum wage f.....
        * Governor Quinn takes on minimum wage challenge..
        * Search Results..
        * US Rep. Duckworth announces she's pregnant..
        * Why is Gov. Pat Quinn living off minimum wage f.....
        * Politicians greet voters at Labor Day parades..


        * Patients to start applying for medical marijuana
        * US Rep. Duckworth announces she's pregnant
        * Bloomington shuttle bus driver charged with DUI
        * Chicago police: Murders down, shootings up
        * Little League team honored with parade in Vegas
        * Rauner vow revives governor's mansion question
        * Quinn to live on minimum wage for a week
        * Infection affecting west-central Illinois soybeans
        * Newborn baby found alive inside Illinois trash bin
        * Bank loans used to collect unpaid medical bills

        * Does the governor need to live in the Executive Mansion?
        * Statehouse Insider: Hands off investments
        * State of unions: AFSCME wins some, loses some on outsourcing
        * State of unions: Domination of Illinois' workforce becomes campaign issue
        * State of unions: Lawmakers approved keeping some workers out of unions
        * State of Illinois posts applications for medical marijuana businesses
        * DNR issues long-awaited ‘fracking’ rules
        * Quinn grants 38 clemency requests
        * IDNR issues long-awaited ‘fracking’ rules
        * Court rules state retirees can stop paying health insurance premiums

        * If only it were this easy to lift share prices
        * 'Chicagoland' star returns to school
        * Amid re-election fight, Quinn pushes through a tax on business
        * Chicago's worst IPO in 2014: Ryerson
        * Why ComEd is worried about your smartphone


        * Prosecutors: Man in CTA stabbing permanently disfigured
        * CTA offering free rides for students on first day of school
        * Alvarez: Crime lab backlog held up DNA evidence on Evans’ gun
        * More rain, storms possible for rest of Labor Day
        * Pullman Park needs Congress’ support
        * Leave the Knee Defender at home
        * Dump ‘Fake IG,’  give Ferguson more power
        * Not so fast, say the grown-ups
        * When common sense and gun rights collide
        * EDITORIAL: Jury still out on justice in Koschman case


        * I-90/94 reopened after semi rollover leads to inbound closure
        * 1 in custody after shooting in Oak Forest forest preserve
        * Body of Chicago Heights boy, 14, pulled from Kankakee River
        * 1 dead, 13 hurt in shootings across city
        * Rainstorms part of Labor Day forecast
        * Tammy Duckworth pregnant, expecting girl in December
        * Cops: Man batters woman and child, throws toddler from vehicle
        * Tougher rules ahead on domestic abuse
        * New sculpture in Niles to be dedicated to St. John Paul II
        * 'As horrible as it sounds, it came out of love': family of 4 dead in murder-suicide


        * Newborn Found Alive In Jacksonville Trash Bin
        * DNR Releases Fracking Rules
        * Listen to State Week - August 29, 2014
        * 'Belleville' The Movie Is NOT A Documentary
        * Journalist and doctor encourage honest conversations about death
        * Undocumented Immigrants Call For Presidential Orders
        * State Retirees To Stop Paying Health Premiums
        * How America's most plentiful bird disappeared
        * Pregnant Workers To Be Protected Under New Law
        * Updates From The Prairie Capital Convention Center


        * Does the governor need to live in the Executive Mansion?
        * Our Opinion: Driving into floodwater a deadly practice
        * Angie Muhs: A debate in Springfield would send the right message from candidates
        * Charles Krauthammer: Lower corporate tax rates. Now.
        * Bernard Schoenburg: Dillman, Watson looking at possible runs for alderman
        * Statehouse Insider: Hands off investments
        * Statehouse Insider: Hands off investments
        * State of unions: AFSCME wins some, loses some on outsourcing
        * State of unions: Domination of Illinois' workforce becomes campaign issue
        * State of unions: Lawmakers approved keeping some workers out of unions


        * For Kids’ Sake 4th Annual 5K Run/Walk-a-Thon to be held Sept. 26
        * Salukis crack FCS top 25 at No. 25
        * Williamson County HCE members attend workshop
        * Rain voted out of forecast for a fair-weather parade
        * Man robbed at knifepoint on Church Street
        * Participants sought for butterfly roundup
        * PHOTOS: Labor Day parade
        * Murphysboro to host Chautauqua
        * St. Clair County property tax bills due on Wednesday
        * 09-01-04 Monday Morning Quarterbacks


        * Building I-290 interchange bridge no easy endeavor
        * Inbound Kennedy Expressway lanes reopen after semi crash
        * Overturned semi injures one, shuts down inbound Kennedy Expressway
        * Rival suburban bridal shops face off in reality show airing Tuesday
        * No one hurt in Buffalo Grove townhouse fire

        * US Rep. Lipinski accepting service academy...
        * Dem Explains Why He Voted 'Present' on DAC...
        * Immigration dominates Lipinski's town hall...
        * US Rep. Lipinski accepting service academy...
        * Rep. Lipinski Accepting Service Academy Ap...
        * Dem Explains Why He Voted 'Present' on DAC...
        * Immigration dominates Lipinski's town hall...
        * Army Veteran Shane Scherer Joins Roskam's ...
        * Roskam speaks on issues to chamber lunch c...
        * Roskam talks tax reform, health care, immi...

        * At national election turning point, all is......
        * At national election turning point, all is......
        * At national election turning point, all is......
        * At national election turning point, all is......
        * The race that decides the Illinois GOP's fate...

        * Rubio, Colleagues Call For Latin American ......
        * Putin Hopeful Russia Won’t Lose Right to H......
        * Susquenita enters Tri-Valley League under ......
        * Putin hopeful Russia won't lose right to h......

        * Fracking industry donates to Rauner as Quinn, Dems delay rules and jobs
        * Where's Weyermuller? On a "Field of Dreams"
        * Common sense steps to defend against cybercrime
        * Allen West in town to raise funds for GOP 8th CD candidate Larry Kaifesh
        * State Sen. Sue Rezin Blast Quinn-Madigan Fiscal Irresponsibility [video]
        * Netflix vs. Healthcare.gov
        * Exports growing in Illinois’ high-tech sectors
        * PBS Will 'Humanize' Late-Term Abortionists
        * Big Data and Chicago’s Traffic-cam Scandal
        * Illinois Schools In Pension Limbo


        * Governor Quinn Invests $102 Million in High-Speed Rail Upgrades on Chicago-St. Louis Line - Funding Will Improve Capacity, Safety on Joliet-Dwight Segment
        * Quinn Refuses to Answer New IDOT Questions
        * IDNR Delivers Revised Rules to Implement Hydraulic Fracturing Regulatory Act - Rules strengthened to ensure public participation, improve transparency, toughen penalties and protect the environment
        * Governor Quinn Proclaims September as “Recovery Month” in Illinois - Encourages people to speak up about mental illness and substance abuse
        * Governor Quinn Dedicates Jane Byrne Interchange - Governor Renames Circle Interchange in Honor of Chicago’s First and Only Female Mayor to Date




            Hosted by MCS SUBSCRIBE to Capitol Fax Advertise Here Mobile Version Contact Rich Miller