=== Rauner termed education to be the “single most important job we do as a community.” He and his wife have already funded charter schools, and he believes in merit pay for teachers and administrators. ===
Unfortunately for Rauner there is ample data that charters & vouchers don’t improve education, nor does merit pay.
=== Speaking of education, Bruce Rauner said this:
=== Rauner termed education to be the “single most important job we do as a community.” He and his wife have already funded charter schools, and he believes in merit pay for teachers and administrators. === ===
…said Payton Prep Clouter, whose DENIED New Trier Living Daughter took a spot from a Chicago living kid, in hopes of a better opportunity but got muscled out by Rahm Emanuel’s frined, and Rich Daley appointee Arne Duncan by a “Clout” phone call…
Are you working for/helping one of the other GOPers or do you just hate Rauner as a matter of principle? Not an ethical question - just have noticed over time your apparent loathing for all things Rauner.
Dillard needs to stop teasing and hinting and tell us how he really feels about Chicago.
- horse w/ no name - Wednesday, Sep 11, 13 @ 3:20 pm:
As a downstate play, this is actually smart, regardless if it’s practical. I’ve done polls for various races throughout the state and the ‘Chicago schools take our money” line goes through the roof every time in Central and Southern districts.
I am not with any campaign, my beef is one of a very simple nature.
You can not… NOT… blatently portray yourself is one thing, when every once of who you are screams you are something else.
The mere idea that Payton Prep Clouter Bruce Rauner has the gall to call himself someone for education reform, when Rauner, himself, “advocated” for his denied …not “wait list”, not accpeted … DENIED … and get this … New Trier Living, until a Condo was bought … living Daughter … becuase New Trier … was not good enough for HIS daughter ….
Yeah, I got a “beef”.
You can’t give hundreds of thousands of dollars to Rich Daley and Rahm Emanuel, pass it off as “getting access”, and call yourself a “reformer”…AND … a Republican to boot!
Payton Prep Clouter “advocating” for his Denied New Trier Daughter to take a seat from a Chicago Kid is probably as low as a human can go… if that human had a conscious.
How does that improve education?? Duh - it allocates more funds to downstate. We have thrown money at the Chicago Teacher’s Union - er I mean the Chicago schools for years and money hasn’t made a bit of difference. Rauner only knows about downstate Illinois becuase he recently toured there - his speaking - er, I mean listening tour.
Ok, this is kinda snark, but kinda advice, and it’s pretty simple;
You have both Jim Thompson and Jim Edgar in your Camp. Instead to trolling them out as props, or using them to fill in paragraphs in sentences for stump speeches, do the following;
Ask each of them, one on one, then just the three of you, no staff on your part, no staff on their part, and take a whole day and go over where you were after 2010, where you are today, and how to get you to the finish line in March and in November.
Honestly, I would be shocked to hear what you said coming from either Edgar or Thompson, today, in this climate, as the solution to education… as you just said it … and when you said it in relation to the campaign calendar.
Do it today, tomorrow, should have already been done … but have those meetings, and recalibrate.
Very poor turn of phrasing here. I think he means impoverished children in other parts of the state could stand to see some additional funding to help them get out of their cycle of poverty. It indicates that a downstate district would use the money more prudently than the CTU.
Totally with OW on the Rauner clout deal. The biggest sin is denying a legitimate Chicago kid a seat in that school. Maybe Rauner should foster 3 kids in his New Trier District home and have them attend that outstanding High School. That sounds like just about the right formula for a mea culpa.
It’s not just downstate. The fact is that Chicago property owners pay the lowest property taxes in the state. Northwest suburban homeowners typically pay 50% more than a Chicago resident with the same value home. Yet Chicago schools face another huge deficit. How about making Chicagoans pay what Oak Parkers pay for schools?
Looks like Dillard was playing up to the locals who feel that Chicago gets more than their share of state education funds. It’s the old downstate vs. Chicago mindset.
Does the man realize that what was said can and will be used against him in the general election–if he wins the primary? His remarks should have shown more forethought rather than going for applause from the crowd.
And, speaking of the crowd. The newspaper article mentions 250 attended the event in Ford County. It was noted that some in the crowd came from other counties. I got an invitation via robo-call the Wednesday before the event from the Ford County Republican chair. Sounds like they were worried about getting a large crowd.
“How about making Chicagoans pay what Oak Parkers pay for schools?”
And I guess that means Oak Parkers are now chomping at the bit to pay their own teacher pensions, which are currently paid by the state (including Chicagoans’ taxes) as opposed to Chicago, where teacher pensions are paid by the city.
This is a good question. There’s no real strong correlation between spending money on schools and performance. Just ask Evanston Township High School which spends more money than New Trier. Will cutting education spending improve or hurt Chicago Public Schools?? Let’s find out.
What’s wrong with so many “schools”, Chicago or otherwise, is that large numbers of students have issues (problems) that money can’t fix. That being said, however, those problems have to be addressed just to have them functional in a school setting. It’d be interesting to see how the percentage of funding in Illinois has increased to cover special needs (English language learners, Special Ed. services, psychologists, social workers, occupational therapists, one-on-one aides, one on one nurses working in schools, etc.) I just don’t remember most of these services being part of my school environment growing up. And that, I suspect, is where ALOT more money is going these days. The number of classroom aides to service these students often outnumber the number of certified teachers on the staff. These services, as expensive as they are, serve a small percentage of the student population. I think most unfamiliar with school personnel would be surprised at how much of the staff is not teachers. So when folks talk about the money going to certain geographical areas, look at the needs and services mandated by law to cover those needs.
1. Dillard is not a stupid guy, but that proposal makes him look stupid. I will conclude that he’s taking bad advice.
2. Oswego Willy- I’m with you all the way on Rauner’s duplicity, but “probably as low as a human can go”? I think there’s quite a lot of room between inappropriately advantaging your kid and the actual bottom of the barrel.
You purposely deny a child, by your own fraud, an opportunity to advance, and have no conscious that what you did to a child, I find that a low as you can go in civilized society in ethics and in morals.
Someone cheat a business partner, takes from another by using their trust in you, yeah, there are quite a few that are LOW…
In the ethics/morals department of a cilvilized world, denying a child a future for the gain of your family, by choice, by deed … that IS…probably …as low as a human can go.
Or just as a Chicago Child, passing the entrance exam(s), on the “wait list” … that never walked in Payton Prep … because of Bruce Rauner.
Yeah …probably … as low as a human can go … ethically.
Should that conduct — using political pull to put an undeserving rich child ahead of another child for admission to a school — be reason to prevent the person from ever holding public office? Absolutely.
Rauner should not be a position where he can put his favored few — whether it be his own kids or some other people — ahead of others who got there on merit.
Now add that this “person” decides to rail on Education, and advocate for changes ….while they “advocated” for THEIR denied child at the expense of another child …. to be taught be public education teachers, as you rail on the public teachers and all they do …
To fix ..
“Or just ASK a Chicago Child, passing the entrance exam(s), on the “wait list” … that never walked in Payton Prep … because of Bruce Rauner.”
You want to “clout” your kid, sure … but do not run for Governor, as a “Reformer” and run on “education” … when in reality, “reform” and “education” for this candidate is where the hypocricy lives and grows …
Hope I cleared up my statement, but when I look at this from the prism of ethics, children, and hypocricy all wrapped in one failed character moment a person runs on as a “positive” about himself … yeah, its probably as low as a human can go, ethically.
Steve, you’ve got the equation wrong. Evanston spends more money than New Trier with lower average test results because Evanston has a much more diverse student body, and a far higher percentage of students below the poverty line. Results for Evanston students of similar economic status are very similar to New Trier’s. You’re making an apples-to-oranges comparison.
Throwing money at a problem isn’t an answer, of course, but more money, when well-targeted, can make a difference.
–And I guess that means Oak Parkers are now chomping at the bit to pay their own teacher pensions, which are currently paid by the state (including Chicagoans’ taxes) as opposed to Chicago, where teacher pensions are paid by the city.–
I’m an Oak Parker and you’re right, we and those at Hinsdale Central, and New Trier, and Stevenson, and Barrington, et. al. should be chomping at the bit to pay our own pensions, rather than taking it from folks in Englewood and Ford County.
Look, I’m an Illinois farm boy who moved to Oak Park with my eyes wide open. I knew the property tax situation. I knew that the schools got very little state money. I knew I was going to pay through the nose. It was my choice and I don’t regret it for a minute.
I’ve been broke all my life. I’m just at an elevated level of broke now, lol.
But, as a citizen, I know I have a responsibility to the students in the rest of the state to maximize their opportunities. That’s life in the NFL. You leave it better than you found it.
Folks in Ford County and Englewood don’t need to be paying the pension obligation for a $150K a year OPRF driver’s ed teacher who couldn’t cut it as the football coach. That’s for real.
(By the way, OPRF has an awesome football coach now, bona fides of Loyola Academy and Mt. Carmel. We’ll be putting up hardware for years to come).
OPRF 200 last fiscal took in 10% more in revenues than expenditures. They have $121 million in the bank.
Are you kidding me? We can’t handle a gradual cost shift? A number of suburban schools are in the same situation.
We made our choices. We’re okay. Let’s do the right thing by the rest of the folks.
Hey Kirk. Can Chicago then stop sending as much of its tax revenue downstate?
And where does he come up with that figure that Chicago is supposedly “taking” from downstate? The whole claim looks fishy to me.
&-whoever it was that mentioned the insanely high amounts of money that school administrators make in Hinsdale and how their pensions are funded, by Chicagoans, is right on point. Hence the MJM proposal.
The Chicago bashing has to stop. I’m not holding my breath, and of course it has always been a proven vote getter, but its simply not based in reality. It’s out of control these days.
Well, that’s it. I kind of liked Dillard, for a Republican. Scratch that.
I think the GOP is down to Rutherford, if they want to nominate a candidate who might actually appeal to and win a small number of Chicago Democrats, as opposed to this stupid demonizing of the vital economic engine for the entire state (and really the larger Midwest).
Reader, lest you get off unscathed by your comment that the Chicago burbs are the economic engine of this state and not Chicago, let me chime in with AFSCME that your full of it. Simply because someone chooses to live in the suburbs of Chicago is irrelevant to where/why they make the money that they pay those taxes on. And that, my friend, is the City of Chicago. Without it, the suburbs revert to farmland, and the state reverts to prarie.