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*** UPDATED x1 *** Republicans claim Madigan trying to “run out the clock” on budget talks
Tuesday, Nov 15, 2016 - Posted by Rich Miller * House Speaker Michael Madigan emerged from today’s leaders meeting to say the four tops would meet with the governor again tomorrow. Madigan said he would appoint Rep. Greg Harris (D-Chicago) to head a new budget negotiating team. Harris chairs an approp committee. “I’m sure there’ll be a more open discussion” at tomorrow’s meeting with Rep. Harris leading negotiations, Madigan said. * But the Republican leaders emerged afterward to say they’d watched the live video of Madigan’s chat with reporters and they were “confused” by Madigan’s plan to appoint a budget negotiator. “There was no agreement that there would be another round of negotiating teams,” said Senate GOP Leader Christine Radogno. She said Madigan raised the subject, but nothing was agreed during the meeting. “Another round of working groups at the mid-level was not part of the agreement.” “We are not interested in reconstituting the working groups,” House Republican Leader Jim Durkin said, adding that it’s now up to the leaders and the governor to cut a deal. The budget working group, he said, appears to be an attempt by Madigan to once again “run out the clock.” “The rank and file Democrats are desperate for a comprehensive budget,” Durkin claimed, saying Gov. Rauner may end up putting off some of his Turnaround Agenda in order to get a deal. Radogno said the plan is to return tomorrow and negotiate off the framework devised by the budgetary working group earlier this year. But there would have to be adjustments, particularly in pension funding. * Madigan, by the way, said the governor talked about pension reform and new revenue. Senate President John Cullerton didn’t talk to reporters. Make sure to follow our live coverage post for instant updates. …Adding… Raw audio of Speaker Madigan’s comments… * And here’s raw audio of the Republican leaders’ comments… *** UPDATE *** The Tribune’s take…
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- Oswego Willy - Tuesday, Nov 15, 16 @ 11:38 am:
===The rank and file Democrats are desperate for a comprehensive budget,” Durkin claimed… ===
Then pull those desperate Democrats to stand in the stairs inside the Dome and with Rauner at a podium with cameras and microphones make the case.
“Simple”
C’mon Leader Durkin. Get this thing on track.
- A guy - Tuesday, Nov 15, 16 @ 11:39 am:
Oy.
- Anon - Tuesday, Nov 15, 16 @ 11:39 am:
===“The rank and file Democrats are desperate for a comprehensive budget,” Durkin claimed, saying Gov. Rauner may end up putting off some of his Turnaround Agenda in order to get a deal.===
Surely the rank and file Democrats aren’t the only folks desperate for a comprehensive budget.
But it’s nice to see that Rauner may be interested in doing his job.
- CEA - Tuesday, Nov 15, 16 @ 11:43 am:
All of this progress is making my head spin.
- Like water for chocolate - Tuesday, Nov 15, 16 @ 11:46 am:
MJM : you want to cut a deal? tomorrow I will bring one of of our numbers guys to talk specifics.
Repubs : not so fast, we’re not actually looking to negotiate. We just want to win day to day news cycles.
- NoGifts - Tuesday, Nov 15, 16 @ 11:46 am:
I don’t understand what the clock is, or how it can be run out.
- walker - Tuesday, Nov 15, 16 @ 11:50 am:
Durkin positions that having a state budget is a “give” by this Governor.
- 47th Ward - Tuesday, Nov 15, 16 @ 11:51 am:
===I don’t understand what the clock is, or how it can be run out.===
Me neither. Nor do I see how this “helps” Madigan.
- VanillaMan - Tuesday, Nov 15, 16 @ 11:52 am:
Two quick points -
1. The clock ran out a hell of a long time ago.
2. Rauner’s latest budget stunt isn’t considered serious enough for the Speaker to play along.
- Oswego Willy - Tuesday, Nov 15, 16 @ 11:56 am:
===…Rauner may end up putting off some of his Turnaround Agenda in order to get a deal.===
“may”… “some”…
Yikes.
- Commonsense in Illinois - Tuesday, Nov 15, 16 @ 11:56 am:
Situation….Normal
- Union Man - Tuesday, Nov 15, 16 @ 12:00 pm:
RE: Melody to Love & Marriage,
Smoke and Mirrors
Smoke and Mirrors
Gives us no budget
for 2 more years.
Pay up the public Pensions,
and spare us all your tension!
- Trolljng Troll - Tuesday, Nov 15, 16 @ 12:00 pm:
There’s a clock? Is it attached to a scoreboard?
Rauner- 188 mil
Citizens-0
- pool boy - Tuesday, Nov 15, 16 @ 12:00 pm:
It’s like deja-va, all over again. ” Yogi Berra”
- hum - Tuesday, Nov 15, 16 @ 12:05 pm:
Please stop the games, GOP Leaders. Please. Stop. Stop now. If you don’t realize the GOP is playing games you are either bias or blind. If they cared about getting a budget they would propose one. They would stop having press conferences every time Madigan coughs and do their jobs. You want to lead, then lead. Show the way. Let’s go. Step up.
By the way, how is involving a budget chair, one who actually knows the budget, an attempt to run out the clock?
- JS Mill - Tuesday, Nov 15, 16 @ 12:11 pm:
=Situation….Normal=
Lol!!
Spot on…sigh.
- zatoichi - Tuesday, Nov 15, 16 @ 12:11 pm:
The clock was stalled when Rauner did not present his first budget nor his second, and now we have the stop gap which he agreed to. The only issue is Dec 31 is the stop gaps 6 month end.
- Winnin' - Tuesday, Nov 15, 16 @ 12:14 pm:
The clock ends in January.
If Rauner does his job and presents a balanced budget, the vote is in Jan.
So, Durkin should say how many votes he has to save the day and avoid running out the clock.
Also, how many votes does he have for the new electricity tax?
- Columbo - Tuesday, Nov 15, 16 @ 12:30 pm:
Radogno was confused, that there was no agreement about another round of negotiating teams and working groups? Maybe Madigan has adjusted, and taken a page out of the Guv’s playbook. Just relay to the press your imaginary conversations……
- hisgirlfriday - Tuesday, Nov 15, 16 @ 12:31 pm:
Whine some more, Durkin. Yesterday you whined Madigan was a no-show. Today you whine Madigan tried to appoint a new budget negotiator.
- Lucky Pierre - Tuesday, Nov 15, 16 @ 12:37 pm:
perhaps someone should alert the Speaker that there has been a Republican Governor for almost two years now.
This Spaulding you will get nothing and like it routine is really getting old
- anon - Tuesday, Nov 15, 16 @ 12:48 pm:
Madigan supported a proposal to reform redistricting that passed the House. Why can’t that proposal be considered a victory for the TA?
- wordslinger - Tuesday, Nov 15, 16 @ 1:20 pm:
– run out the clock–
I don’t understand what that means. Is that a gag, of some sort?
When does the “clock run out?” They haven’t talked about a full-year budget in nearly two years.
- Signal and Noise - Tuesday, Nov 15, 16 @ 1:21 pm:
What’s not clear here is what the Governor is proposing. The working groups failed to meet consensus on a number of issues. How much of the TA is he still insisting on. Rank and file D’s might be feeling shaky, but they aren’t fleeing from MJM anytime soon, so unless Rauner has significantly changed his positions, in which case he should say so, or this is just all smoke.
- A guy - Tuesday, Nov 15, 16 @ 1:27 pm:
To the update: The ugly cat is out of the uglier bag.
Unbalanced budgets the new way. Even worse than the old way when no one thought it possible.
Cynical is way too kind of a word. Sickening.
- AC - Tuesday, Nov 15, 16 @ 1:28 pm:
In this sports analogy, wouldn’t running out the clock mean that Madigan is leading the score? Is Durkin saying he thinks Madigan is ahead?
- illini97 - Tuesday, Nov 15, 16 @ 1:29 pm:
How dare the Speaker appoint a numbers guy to talk about the budget! Durkin and Radogno aren’t ready to talk numbers. It’s time to talk big picture and ideas, mannnnnnnnn.
Come on guys. Ayn Rand dorm room conversation time is over. Get out some numbers and start talking. If you ideas don’t have ROI numbers tied to them, I’d like for you to place those in the circular file in the corner. We can review those after we have a surplus, OK?
- 47th Ward - Tuesday, Nov 15, 16 @ 1:31 pm:
===Sickening.===
Agreed. I sure wish Governor Rauner would propose a balanced budget. I mean, how much longer can we go on like this?
- wordslinger - Tuesday, Nov 15, 16 @ 1:37 pm:
–Democratic Speaker Michael Madigan on Tuesday indicated there won’t be a state budget unless Republican Gov. Bruce Rauner sets aside his economic agenda,–
If it’s an “economic agenda,” then the governor should get his staff of whiz kids at GOMB to produce an economic argument — growth rates, jobs “created,” revenue produced….
But it’s been two years, and all we’ve seen of the “economic argument” were those laughably weak projections the governor gave Rich, which he immediately disowned and accused Rich of being a Madigan shill….
… for reporting the numbers provided by the governor.
If he had an “economic argument,” he certainly has the position and the resources to sell it.
But the economic argument does not exist. Not at this price.
- Anon - Tuesday, Nov 15, 16 @ 1:52 pm:
===prompting the governor’s allies to accuse the House leader of placing the state “in peril.”===
Yes. Let us ignore who took the hostages in the first place.
- The Dude Abides - Tuesday, Nov 15, 16 @ 2:06 pm:
Walker nailed it. The GOP will not give in to a full budget until the Democrats give Rauner some yet unspecified to the public, turnaround agenda items. Madigan’s response was well I guess we’ll have to put together another stop gap budget to get us to July.
It would be nice for the public to know which turnaround agenda items are hanging up a possible agreement.
- wordslinger - Tuesday, Nov 15, 16 @ 2:10 pm:
What, specifically, are the governor’s pre-conditions at the moment before he’ll engage on a full-year budget?
That would be helpful for the citizenry to figure out what’s going on here.
- Oswego Willy - Tuesday, Nov 15, 16 @ 2:17 pm:
Maybe Rauner, with the starving the beast, closing universities… Rauner is playing us all for fools.
It’s been discussed here before. Why do governors want budgets, but Rauner doesn’t want a budget?
Why?
Rauner sees people hurting and “likes” what he’s seeing.
If Rauner can’t destroy labor, than Illinois families don’t need higher ed, Illinois doesn’t need anything until the courts say so, so Diana and I will stall ourselves…
This is the feature, not the bug.
- Oswego Willy - Tuesday, Nov 15, 16 @ 2:27 pm:
Rauner pre-conditions?…
===“Pick your reforms. I would do it for just a few. How about term limits and fair maps and workers’ comp reform?” Rauner asked. “Pick two or three. I’ve laid out 15. Pick any of them. But let’s pick something.”===
However… Lest we forget, Rauner and even Diana are victims of the $46 million+ they leveraged…
===First, the governor repeated his long-standing pledge that “what I won’t do is raise taxes and have no reforms and no changes. I won’t do it.”
Then he pushed back on what he called “spin . . . that I’m heartless, I don’t care about the most vulnerable.”
“Baloney,” Rauner said. “Many, many of the agencies that have been hurt, including my wife’s work, I personally have donated, I’m a huge supporter, huge advocate. I don’t want to cut your service. I’m just trying to bring some principle and some discipline to the process.”
Next, Rauner said he had offered up a number of reform ideas and was looking for agreement on some combination of those ideas in exchange for a broader budget deal.===
The heartlessness of Rauner is that even Rauner can’t decide what are the preconditions that make Bruce and his wife’s work victims to in this.
- walker - Tuesday, Nov 15, 16 @ 2:52 pm:
It would be helpful if the Governor laid out his reform agenda for us all again. His campaign started with 8 items, those morphed into six by combining some into categories, he then offered to drop one or two, then he says there are 15, it appears he produced 4 or 5 bills that did or did not cover what he wants. Can we get some clarity from him, Radogno, or Durkin?
Some of them might have eventual fiscal impact, others clearly do not. Some might impact 2017 a little bit. Others cannot possibly have any impact until 2022 at the earliest. Ideally, can we have a hint at priorities in the Governor’s mind? Can we at least have a hint that “if we can agree on this, then we can move on that.” Somehow both sides have to prove it’s not still all or nothing with them.
- wordslinger - Tuesday, Nov 15, 16 @ 2:54 pm:
–It would be helpful if the Governor laid out his reform agenda for us all again.–
The media should insist. It’s their job. Just printing “reforms” and “budget impasse” without any substance is terribly lazy.
- Oswego Willy - Tuesday, Nov 15, 16 @ 3:03 pm:
It’s not a “slam-slam” against the Springfield Press Corps…
“But… ”
Rauner has played them beautifully.
They have tried to frame these unusual times, but there seems to be a failure in delving beyond repeating what “ck” says or Lance tweets.
That’s a credit to Rauner’s Shop. They’ve owned the day so long, why work any harder they they have to, follow ups notwithstanding(?)
They got lulled into the sweet siren of “Rauner v. Madigan”…
It is what it is. I don’t expect it getting deeper anytime soon. It’s now about “Can Madigan… ” not about the governor.
At all.
- Amalia - Tuesday, Nov 15, 16 @ 3:08 pm:
“You’re beneath me.” message delivered.
- Oswego Willy - Tuesday, Nov 15, 16 @ 3:15 pm:
The flip side is that Democrats, especially House Democrats have failed to make any case that the Springfield Press Corps can look at beyond the outdated and tired, continued and reiterated, stale points that have little emotional appeal, and even less economic impact that is seen as hurtful beyond charts and graphs.
Reality? Archbishop Cupich’s speech was the best argument so far against Raunerism, and that wasn’t the lesson to be learned from the Archbishop’s words.
So, no one is a victim, no side, no position, no one is being let down by the Press, and the Press is trying to do their job with what they are given and the honest reporting within it.
Maybe Democrats need to look at themselves in the mirror and realize people aren’t hearing their messages on Rauner because “what is the message on Rauner” anyway?
- Raising Kane - Tuesday, Nov 15, 16 @ 3:17 pm:
“Senate President John Cullerton did not talk to reporters”
—I don’t believe those words have ever been printed before.
- anon - Tuesday, Nov 15, 16 @ 3:37 pm:
===The rank and file Democrats are desperate for a comprehensive budget,” Durkin claimed… ===
Nice to see Durkin has concern for rank-and-file Democrats!
- Keyser Soze - Tuesday, Nov 15, 16 @ 3:40 pm:
A new negotiating committee…..that’s not a Plymouth, it’s a dodge. This stuff has gone on way too long.
- walker - Tuesday, Nov 15, 16 @ 3:43 pm:
OW: with great respect.
I continue to call for direct ways to solve these problems. You drag us back into the political context of public perception, and votes to be called.
Dammit you’re no fun, especially when you’re right.
- Anonymous - Tuesday, Nov 15, 16 @ 3:45 pm:
Both parties want to blame each other for no budget deal. A real budget will involve big cuts and big tax increases. They do not want to face angry voters with a real budget, so instead they blame the other party, so they can keep their jobs.
- Oswego Willy - Tuesday, Nov 15, 16 @ 3:58 pm:
- walker -,
With great respect towards you as well…
My sincere apologies. I try to get past some things and… I turn out to be like ants at a picnic.
I wish your avenues were the choices one could make. Your logic just might be too logical because, well, it could end all this.