Dueling infographics
Wednesday, Jul 8, 2015 - Posted by Rich Miller
* From the Illinois Senate GOP Facebook page…
Many people have questions about what they can expect as the state begins the new fiscal year without a budget. We’ve put together this infographic explaining which state operations will continue with or without a state budget in place.
Their infographic…
* From Emily Miller at Voices for Illinois Children…
The IL Senate GOP created a fairly misleading infographic about the budget crisis and posted it to Facebook yesterday.
It downplays the very clear impact this crisis is already having, and is about to have, on middle class Illinois families.
Here’s our response.
Their infographic…
Thoughts?
- Tournaround Agenda - Wednesday, Jul 8, 15 @ 1:52 pm:
The budget debate is devolving into infographics, but at least it’s not cat memes.
- Thunder Fred - Wednesday, Jul 8, 15 @ 1:53 pm:
If you are reacting you are losing.
- Rich Miller - Wednesday, Jul 8, 15 @ 1:54 pm:
===If you are reacting you are losing. ===
More campaign talk.
The campaign’s over. Time to get to work.
- OneMan - Wednesday, Jul 8, 15 @ 1:55 pm:
Well, gonna sound crass. Virtually nothing in the second one impacts me directly, immediately.
As for the upper left hand corner, no state school my kid wants to attend offers her program and some of the WI state schools are not that much more expensive for an out-of-state student.
The other stuff they list, well sucks, but it doesn’t have an immediate and direct impact on me and half of that stuff has been happening for a while (social services providers having funding issues and higher ed funding).
- ChicagoR - Wednesday, Jul 8, 15 @ 1:56 pm:
I’d prefer the cat memes to either of those.
- Arsenal - Wednesday, Jul 8, 15 @ 1:56 pm:
If the shutdown is NBD, then it doesn’t really produce much leverage to give the Turnaround Agenda a Phoenix Down, does it?
- Oswego Willy - Wednesday, Jul 8, 15 @ 1:57 pm:
The SGOP better be preparing for 20 “green” on a budget with a revenue increase.
However, when the governor owns them, idle hands and all, you get … that…
- Norseman - Wednesday, Jul 8, 15 @ 1:57 pm:
Maybe “wide range” was a little exaggeration. Would you believe “a number of?” Would you believe “some of?” How about “a lucky few covered by Federal consent decrees?”
- OneMan - Wednesday, Jul 8, 15 @ 1:57 pm:
The $10 poll question when it comes down to it, is…
How much more in taxes are you willing to pay to prevent the stuff in the second box.
I am willing to pay more, but I also want to seem some of the stuff the governor is asking for happen and the only way that is going to is if he uses his budget leverage.
- Michael Scott III - Wednesday, Jul 8, 15 @ 1:59 pm:
Salaries will “eventually” be paid. That says it all.
- Diabolical - Wednesday, Jul 8, 15 @ 2:02 pm:
Initial reaction - the second one is dramatic but the first one is misleading. Winner: people who have already moved out of Illinois.
- A guy - Wednesday, Jul 8, 15 @ 2:04 pm:
If it’s a crisis, you might want to use red rather than blue. The text is very conditional on the second one. It leans a little to social for something that’s supposed to heighten a crisis in “basic” needs. The Hashtag is a call to action for a tax increase.
IMO, they let the tyros come up with this. Not even the hint of a pro anywhere near it. It’s an imitation, and a poor one. Not very effective.
- Me too - Wednesday, Jul 8, 15 @ 2:12 pm:
Mike, I’m not sure how it worked out before but Illinois labor law gives 2% per month on top of back wages, and if a suit is filed with the feds you get 2x back wages plus atty fees regardless of how late they are. A class can’t file though so we are talking tens of thousands of individual cases if the workforce is particularly agrieved. The prompt payment act would apply after 90 days, but labor law is clearly a better deal. Also, even exempt employees can file for nonpayment of regular salary, just not overtime. At the very least it will cost the state money to defend against any of these suits since plaintiffs are never on the hook for defendants’ atty fees unless the suit is frivolous. The Governor vetoed workers salaries effectively ensuring nonpayment and then asked them in writing to work anyway because he’d get them paid. Well it seems pretty open and shut to me.
- horse w/ no name - Wednesday, Jul 8, 15 @ 2:15 pm:
Keep Calm and Watch it Crumble. Solid messaging there.
- cover - Wednesday, Jul 8, 15 @ 2:19 pm:
= I’d prefer the cat memes to either of those. =
The second infographic lists who can’t has cheezburger.
- Anon - Wednesday, Jul 8, 15 @ 2:23 pm:
#ChooseRevenue certainly sounds a lot better than #RaiseTaxes
- Me too - Wednesday, Jul 8, 15 @ 2:25 pm:
Oops. Actually the federal law doesn’t require payment by a certain date. State law does though. 2% of 583 million is a chunk of change. Also IDOL is going to be flush with cash from the fines which at a minimum are 250 bucks per case. If IDOL orders payment, the state will be on the hook for another 1% per day to the employee plus 20% of the underpayment to IDOL. Of course they can probably just sweep those fines into grf. Still ugly though.
- pundent - Wednesday, Jul 8, 15 @ 2:27 pm:
The first infographic seems to suggest that maybe the GOP is a bit concerned about wearing the jacket for the shut down. Why else would you release something that essentially says “it’s not that bad”?
- Westward - Wednesday, Jul 8, 15 @ 2:43 pm:
No one cares about pretty graphics. They want funny cat memes.
- Wordslinger - Wednesday, Jul 8, 15 @ 2:53 pm:
“Eventually” getting paid is not a positive.
I don’t see the point in pretending this isn’t a big deal.
- walker - Wednesday, Jul 8, 15 @ 3:06 pm:
Dueling assumptions about Rauner’s plan:
1. He is politically afraid of the impacts of a shutdown and needs to insulate himself with the public.
2. He wants a shutdown of some duration to make himself a political hero for some key funders, and with much of the public.
Which is it? Or does Rauner really not have much of a plan?
- Harry - Wednesday, Jul 8, 15 @ 3:11 pm:
They’re both right.
Now what?
- Arsenal - Wednesday, Jul 8, 15 @ 3:15 pm:
==Which is it?==
It can be both. In fact, it’s not dissimilar from the predicament national Republicans find themselves in, where their base bays for blood on immigration, but the broader public wants some kind of humanitarian consideration.
- Anonin' - Wednesday, Jul 8, 15 @ 3:18 pm:
“Hey I got my five bills to reintroduce and then a 6th on pensions….everything will be just terrific and an amendatory veto would not make sense,” said the Bobblehead proving just how incomprehensible he can be.
- Anon221 - Wednesday, Jul 8, 15 @ 3:27 pm:
Question-
Can state workers who may be laid off apply for unemployment? And, if they “eventually” get paid, will they have to return their unemployment benefits earned?
This happened during the Federal shutdown, and it was a nightmare for some to go through all the paperwork and refunding.
Also, would IDES be open if there is a shutdown?
- Langhorne - Wednesday, Jul 8, 15 @ 3:41 pm:
What happens to the state fair if the shutdown lasts a while?
- Dave - Wednesday, Jul 8, 15 @ 3:41 pm:
I guess my questions starts a little further down the road. What happens when those state employees who are required to work run out of funds to go to work? No gas money, no way to pay the babysitter, stuff like that. Car breaks down, no way to pay for the repair. Basic life things that you do with your paycheck that you can only do so long without a paycheck.
If they weren’t required to go to work, they could look for another job to make up the difference somewhat until things get back on track, but having to go to work all day, then not getting a check, and still accumulating the expenses of having to work is eventually going to catch up with quite a few of them.
- @MisterJayEm - Wednesday, Jul 8, 15 @ 3:41 pm:
But what about Rauner’s FREE MOTORCYCLE LESSONS?!?
– MrJM
- Anon - Wednesday, Jul 8, 15 @ 4:18 pm:
“Eventually”
We’ll gladly pay you Tuesday for a hamburger today.
- Peregrine48 - Thursday, Jul 9, 15 @ 8:09 am:
#anon221
“Can state workers who may be laid off apply for unemployment? And, if they “eventually” get paid, will they have to return their unemployment benefits earned?
This happened during the Federal shutdown, and it was a nightmare for some to go through all the paperwork and refunding.
Also, would IDES be open if there is a shutdown?”
From my time working for IDES, I think I can answer most of these… As a laid off employee, one can always file for unemployment. The second question is moot. If an employee is laid off, there wouldn’t be any pay coming. If an employee is working, albeit without pay, one could probably file, but would indeed owe the money back when paychecks were finally produced, and likely with interest. Certainly easier and cheaper just to go for one of the no-interest loans.
In the event of a shutdown, IDES should remain open as most of their funding is federal, not state, though I would expect some of the smaller offices to close.