To make matters worse, the state is threatening human services agencies, telling them they must continue to operate without funding or else be barred from ever getting a contract should there ever be a budget. In what universe does that kind of blackmail make sense? Only in Illinois.
Capt Fax
What do mean “if true”
this is same way The Superstars” conned the vendors to the fair and probably led to Nelson’s ouster …along with invitin’ that certain singer to the ribbon cuttin’
if true it raises the question, who will they hire then…. not like there is a plethora of social service agencies. unless thenplan is to eliminate social services all together. goes hand in hand with crushing the unions i suppose
Wordslinger,
I’m wondering if this is a tease on a feature piece they are working on.
That is my hope anyway. Otherwise I don’t even know what to make of the thinking behind printing that.
It’s just another version of “standard business practice”: super slow pay to venders who need your business. It’s good we finally have a business man finally taking over state government.
- The Velour Nail - Tuesday, Sep 29, 15 @ 10:33 am:
Not sure why my comment was deleted? Check out 794 F.3d 729 (7th Cir. 2015). You may also want to look at 651 F.3d 722 (7th Cir. 2011). I only ask because I’ve had multiple comments deleted that are not rabid, gratuitous insults, rumors, profane or “sock puppetry” and just do not understand what type of comments/conversations are not welcome. Thanks.
There’s no way this is true. It doesn’t make any sense at all. I suspect the RR-S is simply repeating something they heard — something with no basis in reality.
If they had an actual source, they’d run an article about it — but because it’s buried, I suspect they have nothing — and (what’s worse) probably had no idea what they were suggesting.
What is it with these editorial boards? It’s like you have to be ten years old, clueless, and hyper to be on a newspaper board.
“There’s no way this is true. It doesn’t make any sense at all.”
At least since a governor tried to sell a Senate seat using a telephone that he knew/should have known was tapped by agents of the Justice Department, there has been little relationship between “truth” and “making sense” in Illinois politics. (Additional examples are available upon request.)
– MrJM
- 100 Miles West - Tuesday, Sep 29, 15 @ 11:04 am:
The state has made struggling social services agencies remain open until a receiver is found to take over operations. There is a fear in the developmental disability and mental health provider world that the state intends to let the system fall apart and bring in national for-profit companies to take over the operations of small, local non-profit groups.
Interesting, though. This idea of “show up and work, or you’ll never work again” is clearly the same language Rauner will use against strikers if a strike happens.
The idea will be: strike, and you’ll never work for the state again.
Can’t be true. Oh wait, I forgot the news media’s competency is lower than that of the present administration (blog moderator excluded, of course…). Seriously? What is going on with our state government and the people who are supposed to be reporting on it?!?!?!
Don’t know which is more scary; that a newspaper would print this as an unsubstantiated charge or that so many people think the charge may be true. I will hold judgment till supporting facts surface. Right now it is just noise.
burbanite- “Ban the current providers, hire the gov’s private industry buddies to replace them.”
Or simply get rid of them forever. I tend to believe his goal is simply to get rid of them. For most of the services, I doubt they are very lucrative for his buddies to make money off of.
Nothing surprises me anymore, however - we have received a lot of calls from social service agencies who are in trouble because of budget crisis - NONE have mentioned they were threatened.
++- Anon221 - Tuesday, Sep 29, 15 @ 11:05 am:
“How the Community Services Agreement was changed for FY2016:”
” ARTICLE IV PAYMENT”
4.1. Availability of Appropriation. Obligations; Sufficiency of the State will cease immediately Funds. This Agreement is contingent upon and subject to the availability of sufficient funds. DHS may terminate or suspend this Agreement, in whole or in part, without penalty or further payment being required, if, in any fiscal year, the Illinois General Assembly or Federal funding source fails to appropriate or otherwise make available (i) sufficient funds for this Agreement, or if have not been appropriated or otherwise made available to the Department by the State or the Federal funding source, (ii) the Governor decreases DHS’ funding by reserving some or all of DHS’ appropriations pursuant to power delegated to or DHS reserves funds, or (iii) the Governor by the Illinois General Assembly or DHS determines that funds will not or may not be available for payment. DHS shall notify provide notice, in writing, to Provider of any such funding failure and its election to terminate or suspend this Agreement as soon as practicable. Any suspension or termination pursuant to this Section will be effective upon the date of the written notice unless otherwise indicated.”
Mama is correct. In fact, some contracts went out without a start date and providers were told that there was no guarantee payments would be retroactive to July 1. I can only speak about contracts that went out to DCFS providers.
“In fact, some contracts went out without a start date and providers were told that there was no guarantee payments would be retroactive to July 1.” Hello… how can this can be legal?
Not only were providers told they would work for free until a budget was passed, or else.
They were also told that they were gonna take a 10% rate cut while serving the same number of people. Or else.
No one on Team Rauner thinks they are doing anything wrong. They are quite brazen about it, because this is how it’s done in the private sector. When you are Wal-Mart, you dictate terms to the vendor.
- Wordslinger - Tuesday, Sep 29, 15 @ 10:09 am:
What the heck? You drop a bomb like that in the ninth graph of an editorial? That’s not burying the lede, that’s burying a Pulitzer.
Memo to RR Star: If you have the goods, it’s the story of the year and needs to be published. If you don’t, you need to say so, now.
For crying out loud, where’s the news judgement?
- Honeybear - Tuesday, Sep 29, 15 @ 10:09 am:
We had an employment agency renting an office in our office. They helped our customers find jobs. They’ve been gone since August.
- Anon - Tuesday, Sep 29, 15 @ 10:09 am:
Well, that’s fun.
- Anonin' - Tuesday, Sep 29, 15 @ 10:15 am:
Capt Fax
What do mean “if true”
this is same way The Superstars” conned the vendors to the fair and probably led to Nelson’s ouster …along with invitin’ that certain singer to the ribbon cuttin’
- Ghost - Tuesday, Sep 29, 15 @ 10:16 am:
if true it raises the question, who will they hire then…. not like there is a plethora of social service agencies. unless thenplan is to eliminate social services all together. goes hand in hand with crushing the unions i suppose
- Anon221 - Tuesday, Sep 29, 15 @ 10:17 am:
Found this sit3 this morning while searching for 501(c)-3’s in my area:
http://www.taxexemptworld.com/
Good way to compare the non-profits in your area, and perhaps find ways to help those that have little out more directly.
- My New Handle - Tuesday, Sep 29, 15 @ 10:17 am:
Rauner probably has a few of his own “human service” agencies standing by.
- Wordslinger - Tuesday, Sep 29, 15 @ 10:24 am:
Ghost, if true, it raises a lot more questions than that.
The RR-S needs to start with a little J-101: who said what to whom, when and where.
If they can’t do that, they need to retract.
Do they not understand what they’ve accused the Rauner administration of?
- Northsider - Tuesday, Sep 29, 15 @ 10:29 am:
Wordslinger @ 10:09 wins the Illinois Internet today.
If — and this is a big “if” — the editorial board blew a scoop like that in that way, someone or two needs to be fired.
- Anonish - Tuesday, Sep 29, 15 @ 10:30 am:
Wordslinger,
I’m wondering if this is a tease on a feature piece they are working on.
That is my hope anyway. Otherwise I don’t even know what to make of the thinking behind printing that.
- Anonymousse - Tuesday, Sep 29, 15 @ 10:32 am:
“Illinois budget crisis cited in rise of Chicago shootings.” http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2015/9/28/illinois-violence-budget-crisis.html
- JackD - Tuesday, Sep 29, 15 @ 10:33 am:
It’s just another version of “standard business practice”: super slow pay to venders who need your business. It’s good we finally have a business man finally taking over state government.
- The Velour Nail - Tuesday, Sep 29, 15 @ 10:33 am:
Not sure why my comment was deleted? Check out 794 F.3d 729 (7th Cir. 2015). You may also want to look at 651 F.3d 722 (7th Cir. 2011). I only ask because I’ve had multiple comments deleted that are not rabid, gratuitous insults, rumors, profane or “sock puppetry” and just do not understand what type of comments/conversations are not welcome. Thanks.
- Chicago Cynic - Tuesday, Sep 29, 15 @ 10:37 am:
WOW. That would be a HUGE story. Provide services for free indefinitely or else? Sure, ok. And we pay people with what?
- Frenchie Mendoza - Tuesday, Sep 29, 15 @ 10:43 am:
There’s no way this is true. It doesn’t make any sense at all. I suspect the RR-S is simply repeating something they heard — something with no basis in reality.
If they had an actual source, they’d run an article about it — but because it’s buried, I suspect they have nothing — and (what’s worse) probably had no idea what they were suggesting.
What is it with these editorial boards? It’s like you have to be ten years old, clueless, and hyper to be on a newspaper board.
- Anonymous - Tuesday, Sep 29, 15 @ 10:54 am:
Or else? Strike is the or else.
- @MisterJayEm - Tuesday, Sep 29, 15 @ 11:01 am:
“There’s no way this is true. It doesn’t make any sense at all.”
At least since a governor tried to sell a Senate seat using a telephone that he knew/should have known was tapped by agents of the Justice Department, there has been little relationship between “truth” and “making sense” in Illinois politics. (Additional examples are available upon request.)
– MrJM
- 100 Miles West - Tuesday, Sep 29, 15 @ 11:04 am:
The state has made struggling social services agencies remain open until a receiver is found to take over operations. There is a fear in the developmental disability and mental health provider world that the state intends to let the system fall apart and bring in national for-profit companies to take over the operations of small, local non-profit groups.
- Anon221 - Tuesday, Sep 29, 15 @ 11:05 am:
How the Community Services Agreement was changed for FY2016:
https://www.dhs.state.il.us/OneNetLibrary/27896/documents/Contracts/FY16/RedlineofFY15CSAtoFY16CSA.pdf
- Frenchie Mendoza - Tuesday, Sep 29, 15 @ 11:08 am:
Interesting, though. This idea of “show up and work, or you’ll never work again” is clearly the same language Rauner will use against strikers if a strike happens.
The idea will be: strike, and you’ll never work for the state again.
- Tone - Tuesday, Sep 29, 15 @ 11:21 am:
Some of these small non-profits are the worst run entities in the world. Many need to be shut down.
- Ducky LaMoore - Tuesday, Sep 29, 15 @ 11:22 am:
Can’t be true. Oh wait, I forgot the news media’s competency is lower than that of the present administration (blog moderator excluded, of course…). Seriously? What is going on with our state government and the people who are supposed to be reporting on it?!?!?!
- Tournaround Agenda - Tuesday, Sep 29, 15 @ 11:30 am:
That’s a mighty big accusation to throw out there without any evidence. RRStar, now’s your time to shine if you’ve got the goods.
- Amalia - Tuesday, Sep 29, 15 @ 11:52 am:
wow. keep working if you want me to pay you. what century is this?
- Norseman - Tuesday, Sep 29, 15 @ 12:01 pm:
I’ll wait to hear from a more respectable source than an editorial board. (At least this isn’t the Trib editorial board.)
- DuPage - Tuesday, Sep 29, 15 @ 12:11 pm:
Sounds like Rauner is utilizing his private sector tactics. It could well be the sources of the paper agreed to keep them confidential.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=6&v=qT4lbu2VMaY
- Last Bull Moose - Tuesday, Sep 29, 15 @ 12:45 pm:
Don’t know which is more scary; that a newspaper would print this as an unsubstantiated charge or that so many people think the charge may be true. I will hold judgment till supporting facts surface. Right now it is just noise.
- Tournaround Agenda - Tuesday, Sep 29, 15 @ 1:00 pm:
@Tone: Name a few, with supporting evidence.
- burbanite - Tuesday, Sep 29, 15 @ 1:10 pm:
I think it is all part of the plan. Ban the current providers, hire the gov’s private industry buddies to replace them.
- Anon221 - Tuesday, Sep 29, 15 @ 1:21 pm:
burbanite- “Ban the current providers, hire the gov’s private industry buddies to replace them.”
Or simply get rid of them forever. I tend to believe his goal is simply to get rid of them. For most of the services, I doubt they are very lucrative for his buddies to make money off of.
- Kyle Hillman - Tuesday, Sep 29, 15 @ 1:23 pm:
Nothing surprises me anymore, however - we have received a lot of calls from social service agencies who are in trouble because of budget crisis - NONE have mentioned they were threatened.
- Honeybear - Tuesday, Sep 29, 15 @ 3:14 pm:
Loving God Tone, many multinations need to be shut down.
- Mama - Tuesday, Sep 29, 15 @ 3:28 pm:
++- Anon221 - Tuesday, Sep 29, 15 @ 11:05 am:
“How the Community Services Agreement was changed for FY2016:”
” ARTICLE IV PAYMENT”
4.1. Availability of Appropriation. Obligations; Sufficiency of the State will cease immediately Funds. This Agreement is contingent upon and subject to the availability of sufficient funds. DHS may terminate or suspend this Agreement, in whole or in part, without penalty or further payment being required, if, in any fiscal year, the Illinois General Assembly or Federal funding source fails to appropriate or otherwise make available (i) sufficient funds for this Agreement, or if have not been appropriated or otherwise made available to the Department by the State or the Federal funding source, (ii) the Governor decreases DHS’ funding by reserving some or all of DHS’ appropriations pursuant to power delegated to or DHS reserves funds, or (iii) the Governor by the Illinois General Assembly or DHS determines that funds will not or may not be available for payment. DHS shall notify provide notice, in writing, to Provider of any such funding failure and its election to terminate or suspend this Agreement as soon as practicable. Any suspension or termination pursuant to this Section will be effective upon the date of the written notice unless otherwise indicated.”
- sal-says - Tuesday, Sep 29, 15 @ 5:11 pm:
So, are we in the era of ‘junk journalism’?
If so, maybe it’ll take a while to get out, depending on the number and success of lawsuits?
- carbaby - Tuesday, Sep 29, 15 @ 6:29 pm:
Mama is correct. In fact, some contracts went out without a start date and providers were told that there was no guarantee payments would be retroactive to July 1. I can only speak about contracts that went out to DCFS providers.
- Mama - Tuesday, Sep 29, 15 @ 8:01 pm:
“In fact, some contracts went out without a start date and providers were told that there was no guarantee payments would be retroactive to July 1.” Hello… how can this can be legal?
- Juvenal - Tuesday, Sep 29, 15 @ 8:23 pm:
Anyone who thinks this is untrue is delusional.
Not only were providers told they would work for free until a budget was passed, or else.
They were also told that they were gonna take a 10% rate cut while serving the same number of people. Or else.
No one on Team Rauner thinks they are doing anything wrong. They are quite brazen about it, because this is how it’s done in the private sector. When you are Wal-Mart, you dictate terms to the vendor.